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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: Jackson on January 14, 2017, 12:48:44 PM
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I am looking to buy a plant and found only two sources for it. One being Flying Fox where it is listed as an atemoya (currently sold out) and the other being Wayne Clifton (recommended to me by a couple of posters here). I emailed him to inquire about availability and got a message back saying he does not know what a 'Dream atemoya' is, he propagates 'Dream cherimoya'.
The posts I have read here refer to it as a Dream atemoya. But, it feels like I insulted Mr Clifton by calling it an atemoya which was certainly not my intention. So, atemoya or cherimoya, which is it?
Thanks.
P.S. - I am not pointing fingers and do not want to start an argument. Just trying to figure out the confusion in the names.
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Same genetics. Don't call it an atemoya when dealing with Wayne. Excellent fruit. It is the best annona I have tasted in Florida but I certainly haven't tried them all.
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I must have e-mailed him the same time you have and i got the answer. The Flying Fox probably sells it but he is hard to reach also.Come spring we might be able to buy one.Maybe me may buy one on lay-way.
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Thanks, Josh. Yeah, I won't make that mistake again. I just hope I haven't offended him to the point that he won't sell me a plant.
Luak - glad I am not the only one that made that mistake :-)! I am guessing Wayne is probably really irritated with emails he gets inquiring about the 'Dream atemoya'.
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Same genetics. Don't call it an atemoya when dealing with Wayne. Excellent fruit. It is the best annona I have tasted in Florida but I certainly haven't tried them all.
Same genetics, you mean both annonas? Other than that, an atemoya and cherimoya are not the same.
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Same genetics. Don't call it an atemoya when dealing with Wayne. Excellent fruit. It is the best annona I have tasted in Florida but I certainly haven't tried them all.
i tried to sell as cherimoya, then got bunch of resistance from the buyers, who didn't agree it was pure cherimoya...so I called in an atemoya to be safe...but then that pissed Wayne off...lol...I can't win...
I just said to hell with it, and started calling it an Annona...ain't nobody got time for that....
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Same genetics. Don't call it an atemoya when dealing with Wayne. Excellent fruit. It is the best annona I have tasted in Florida but I certainly haven't tried them all.
i tried to sell as cherimoya, then got bunch of resistance from the buyers, who didn't agree it was pure cherimoya...so I called in an atemoya to be safe...but then that pissed Wayne off...lol...I can't win...
I just said to hell with it, and started calling it an Annona...ain't nobody got time for that....
Yup, just call it Dream Annona...
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Don't worry Rob we got Arka Shan here which is the same thing and we have plenty of wood here
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Don't worry Rob we got Arka Shan here which is the same thing and we have plenty of wood here
I got my Arka graft to take so hopefully next year I will be able to put these against each other. I know Wayne's came from a seedling. I think he has had it for about 20 years.Same genetics. Don't call it an atemoya when dealing with Wayne. Excellent fruit. It is the best annona I have tasted in Florida but I certainly haven't tried them all.
Same genetics, you mean both annonas? Other than that, an atemoya and cherimoya are not the same.
Different species for the same stick of budwood. I know the controversy.
I am guessing Wayne will sell to you guys. Just ask for the Dream Cherimoya. ;)
If for some reason he doesn't, a lot of people have it now and it is out there. I wasn't going to graft any to sell just because he is my buddy and I have over purchased, over planted and have way too much to do in too small of an area anyway.
It is a top-notch fruit for us here in FL.
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Wayne Clifton corrected me and stated it was Dream Cherimoya.
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Wayne insists it is a cherimoya, and swears it came from a cherimoya seed. You know what else came from a cherimoya seed? Damn near every other atemoya known to man; the seed parent is only half the story.
IF the Dream is a cherimoya, it has some awfully pointy leaves relative to just about all other cherimoya out there.
That said, it is closer to a cherimoya in terms of taste than any other atemoya I've had, and it grows and fruits well here in FL. Totally worth growing IMHO, and definitely better than Gefner.
I'll be grafting a dozen or two Dream in the spring, and plan on having them available for sale as soon as they're healed up.
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Don't worry Rob we got Arka Shan here which is the same thing and we have plenty of wood here
I'm planning on ordering some Arka Sahan wood from you when you're doing your scion sale, and am really looking forward to comparing the fruit side by side. Besides fruit pics, which I will agree look fairly similar, do you have any other evidence Dream is the same as Arka Sahan?
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Last year I sent 2 emails to Wayne asking about the Dream atemoya for purchase and never got a response. Now
I finally understand why. Oh well I bought one from The Dom and have a wonderful plant and I didn't have to drive
almost 2 hours to Bradenton. I would love to get another one Dom whenever you have one available!
Mike
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RHA#3 a seedling of Arka Sahan aka Dream it's been in SoCal for over 40 year always been an atemoya
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Met Wayne.
He just got finished working on the fruit fly infestation in homestead
His day job is in the state ag department
I bought a dream cherimoya from him
His call not mine. I will respect that
It is grafted on cherimoya
I'm happy
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Wait.
So Arka Sarhan and Dream Atemoya are one and the same?
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Bottom line
If you want one from Wayne you call it what he calls it .
If you want a California type you are calling the wrong guy.
I was glad to get it no matter. New fruits that handle Ocala cold are most welcome.
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Wait.
So Arka Sarhan and Dream Atemoya are one and the same?
Some of us believe dream's mother tree is a grafted tree the evidence is compelling.....look around and see for yourself. I'll have more pix of Arka Sahan in spring
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The Dream seedling was grafted onto an established rootstock.
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The Dream seedling was grafted onto an established rootstock.
Than he should show us the mother tree like I did with Ismael avocado and the grafted version which differs in season but not in quality
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Just to share a photo of dream and an observation. I have all cherimoyas and atemoyas in greenhouse. They all have new developing fruits on or flowers. I have got -3C inside of gh. I noticed that all fruits of cherimoyas are ok but fruits of dream got effected badly,now they r black... Though leaves are ok.. other atemoyas lost leaves too.
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Are there any of the AS for sale or going to be
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Are there any of the AS for sale or going to be
scions will be available in March
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Are there any of the AS for sale or going to be
scions will be available in March
That'll be great! Thanks, Frank.
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Are there any of the AS for sale or going to be
scions will be available in March
That'll be great! Thanks, Frank.
John as I recall you had an issue with dream it probably was on the wrong rootstock have some one graft Arka sahan on cherimoya first or atemoya rootstock not on the cheap pond apple
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Yes, I'm sure it was on poor rootstock (pond apple). Because I don't live anywhere near Bradenton, I was never able to attempt to get a replacement. 50 bucks down the drain on that one! Wayne sent me several emails, implying I wasn't giving it proper care, never mentioning a rootstock issue.
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Are there any of the AS for sale or going to be
scions will be available in March
That'll be great! Thanks, Frank.
John as I recall you had an issue with dream it probably was on the wrong rootstock have some one graft Arka sahan on cherimoya first or atemoya rootstock not on the cheap pond apple
I should make a couple Arka Sahan/Dream cocktail trees.
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Oooo, Dom. That would be cool!
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Yes, I'm sure it was on poor rootstock (pond apple). Because I don't live anywhere near Bradenton, I was never able to attempt to get a replacement. 50 bucks down the drain on that one! Wayne sent me several emails, implying I wasn't giving it proper care, never mentioning a rootstock issue.
Wayne has a lot more to explain about Dream
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Wayne didn't take out a patent on "Dream Cherimoya," did he? What about the Indians who developed Arka Sahan? Is it patented? Like someone said, the only way to know for sure if they are one and the same is to do genetic testing. Otherwise, just enjoy the fruit. I like Dom's idea of grafting both on the same tree.
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I purchased two 7 gal. Dreams from Wayne Clifton back in January 2016. The two pictures were taken at Wayne's house the day I picked them up. I sold the smaller Dream this past summer to a forum member that lives nearby. The other picture is what the Dream looks like one year later.
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bigalxx15
Nice Gream! I would graft arka sahan on a couple of those branches.
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Thanks JF, I will be the first person on your scion list this March for the many varieties of Atemoyas your growing. I really enjoyed the Calostro, Birula, and Pink Mammoth Atemoya fruit I purchased from you recently.
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Thanks JF, I will be the first person on your scion list this March for the many varieties of Atemoyas your growing. I really enjoyed the Calostro, Birula, and Pink Mammoth Atemoya fruit I purchased from you recently.
You are very welcome XX
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Wayne didn't take out a patent on "Dream Cherimoya," did he? What about the Indians who developed Arka Sahan? Is it patented? Like someone said, the only way to know for sure if they are one and the same is to do genetic testing. Otherwise, just enjoy the fruit. I like Dom's idea of grafting both on the same tree.
I wonder why people don't just take Wayne's word for it, that he planted a seedling, and the seedling grew poorly on it's own roots, so he grafted onto pond apple and cherimoya, at which point the scions from his seedling were able to grow vigorously. He never took scions back with him, it was just seeds....he's not a liar, or crazy, or a drunkard, or a druggie...
take his word for it, he planted the seed himself.
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Wayne didn't take out a patent on "Dream Cherimoya," did he? What about the Indians who developed Arka Sahan? Is it patented? Like someone said, the only way to know for sure if they are one and the same is to do genetic testing. Otherwise, just enjoy the fruit. I like Dom's idea of grafting both on the same tree.
I wonder why people don't just take Wayne's word for it, that he planted a seedling, and the seedling grew poorly on it's own roots, so he grafted onto pond apple and cherimoya, at which point the scions from his seedling were able to grow vigorously. He never took scions back with him, it was just seeds....he's not a liar, or crazy, or a drunkard, or a druggie...
take his word for it, he planted the seed himself.
100% agree
He has some interesting and unique things in his collection.
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Arka Sahan
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I'd like to get one of these Dreams
Anyone have any contact info where I can buy one
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I'd like to get one of these Dreams
Anyone have any contact info where I can buy one
If Wayne's email address hasn't changed, you can contact him here:
Wayne Clifton <katway@outlook.com>
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I'd like to get one of these Dreams
Anyone have any contact info where I can buy one
I should have some available in 1gal on cherimoya rootstock in about a month. They're pushing new growth now, gotta give them some time to heal.
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Looking forward to getting one or two from you Dom! Ram, Dom will hook you up! Also, I have reserved one from Wayne. He is a good guy and it was a pleasure to meet him. As far as I am concerned it is the Dream cherimoya😀
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I bought some from Dom last year. Theyre doing great.
Thanks.
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I'm interested in at least 1 Dom, I think I contacted you on Facebook to hold 1 for me when there ready
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Anyone want to discribe why this tree is a better one that some of the othrrs?
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Anyone want to discribe why this tree is a better one that some of the othrrs?
Wayne Clifton, the originator, has claimed it is the absolute best-tasting "cherimoya." Those that are growing it seem to share his enthusiasm about the flavor, but usually not making the claim of preeminence.
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Anyone want to discribe why this tree is a better one that some of the othrrs?
Best tasting Florida grown annona I have eaten although I haven't had all of them. It also sets without hand pollination and has great cold hardiness.
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Anyone want to discribe why this tree is a better one that some of the othrrs?
Best tasting Florida grown annona I have eaten although I haven't had all of them. It also sets without hand pollination and has great cold hardiness.
That's pretty much where I land on this one, though I'm skeptical of the claim that it has survived 19°F. Wayne is awfully close to both the gulf and a river, AND has a bunch of ponds in his neighborhood. I'd love to get a date out of him for when that happened so I can pull some weather station data. Considering the record coldest temp in Bradenton, FL is 23°F back in 1981,and the coldest in the last 20 years was 26°F in 1997, well... Maybe I misunderstood, and he didn't mean his specific tree, but a friend's tree elsewhere had survived 19°F.
http://www.intellicast.com/Local/History.aspx?location=USFL0047 (http://www.intellicast.com/Local/History.aspx?location=USFL0047)
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Last year I sent 2 emails to Wayne asking about the Dream atemoya for purchase and never got a response. Now
I finally understand why.
You understand a dork ignoring someone's ignorance with rude behavior? Sorry, I do not.
If ANYONE gets pissed at that innocent comment they need a shrink, AND they need to stay away from people and they CERTAINLY should not be in a business selling to or dealing with people.
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I wrote Wayne Clifton and he now has a limited number of Scions for sale $10 each and will have some small trees in a few months if anyone is intrested
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I'd like to get one of these Dreams
Anyone have any contact info where I can buy one
I should have some available in 1gal on cherimoya rootstock in about a month. They're pushing new growth now, gotta give them some time to heal.
I'm also interested in one if there are any left. I cruise though FM often on my way to family in Cape Coral.
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I wrote Wayne Clifton and he now has a limited number of Scions for sale $10 each and will have some small trees in a few months if anyone is intrested
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I am! Does he ship or is it pickup in person only? Should I reach out to him directly?
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Dom,
Good to see you last night at Har's speech-topic on Soursop. How are your Dream (and a couple mine) cherimoyas doing?
Vincent
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Dom,
Good to see you last night at Har's speech-topic on Soursop. How are your Dream (and a couple mine) cherimoyas doing?
Vincent
I don't have any Dream cherimoya. Since you called them by my non-preferred name for them, I'm going to pout and ignore you until you say the name the way I like. ;D
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They're working on leafing out now. I might try re-grafting some of the failed ones, but I'm giving them a little more time to push out before declaring them dead. There are some Randhir and Calostro in the back there too, and a few white sapote cocktail trees.
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Dom,
Wow! Look at all those! Very nice indeed! Fantastic work! Do you water them everyday since they are in full sun? How quickly do they grow at this stage? Do you have time release fertilizer added?
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Dom,
Wow! Look at all those! Very nice indeed! Fantastic work! Do you water them everyday since they are in full sun? How quickly do they grow at this stage? Do you have time release fertilizer added?
Thanks! They get watered about every other day, sometimes daily. I've got them in a pretty well draining mix top dressed with time release fertilizer. At this point they seem to grow painfully slow until they flush out, then quicker from there.
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Dom,
Wow! Look at all those! Very nice indeed! Fantastic work! Do you water them everyday since they are in full sun? How quickly do they grow at this stage? Do you have time release fertilizer added?
Thanks! They get watered about every other day, sometimes daily. I've got them in a pretty well draining mix top dressed with time release fertilizer. At this point they seem to grow painfully slow until they flush out, then quicker from there.
Selling?
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Another thing that came to mind earlier today that would in my mind solve the cherimoya/atemoya question is this: if pollinated by its own pollen (and bagged to exclude any foreign pollen) and the seeds planted out, leaf shape alone in the progeny would tell us if there's any squamosa genetics or not. I'll get a separate brush and pollen container for doing Dream pollination this year, so we should have results this time next year.
If anyone has Dream seedlings, that'd be great to see pics, but if we aren't 100% sure of the pollen parent we couldn't call that conclusive evidence.
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Dom,
Good to see you last night at Har's speech-topic on Soursop. How are your Dream (and a couple mine) cherimoyas doing?
Vincent
I don't have any Dream cherimoya. Since you called them by my non-preferred name for them, I'm going to pout and ignore you until you say the name the way I like. ;D
(https://s18.postimg.cc/m137wkvmd/IMG_20170307_112120.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/m137wkvmd/)
They're working on leafing out now. I might try re-grafting some of the failed ones, but I'm giving them a little more time to push out before declaring them dead. There are some Randhir and Calostro in the back there too, and a few white sapote cocktail trees.
Hey Dom, looking good. What white sapote cultivars do you have? I am trying to catch em all. Right now all I have is Redlands, a tiny Smathers and a Suebelle that is coming back from deaths door that I dug up at a friends house. Excalibur is just so far away and the only ones I see around are Redlands.
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would you ship any of these 1 gal grafted trees?
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would you ship any of these 1 gal grafted trees?
I'm looking into shipping, still not sure on that one. Busy AF with work stuff now, so haven't had time to play with figuring out how to safely ship these things.
@Vermented: as of now just Redlands and Vernon.
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I'm thinking I might graft all the Arka Sahan scions I get from you on my Dream so hopefully I can let them hold fruit next year. I'm really looking forward to putting this one to bed one way or another.
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would you ship any of these 1 gal grafted trees?
I'm looking into shipping, still not sure on that one. Busy AF with work stuff now, so haven't had time to play with figuring out how to safely ship these things.
The one tree I bought off ebay the guy shook some excess dirt off the rootball, then wrapped it in saran wrap to keep it from drying out then aluminum foil to protect the saran wrap.
And just filled the rest of the box with crumpled newspaper to protect the limbs. Worked out pretty well.
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Hi
I'm a new member. I've recently come up on this thread. Can someone please tell me where I can buy a Dream (aka Arka Hasan) atemoya/cherimoya/annona ? I have a PPC atemoya. Are these two varieties the same? I'm in Orange County, California.
Thanks,
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I saw in the for sale section, someone was selling the scion for the Dream. I am in So Cal like you. I may just try to graft it next year when my atemoya / cherimoya trees get older.