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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-39777196

A box of rare daisies from the 1850s had been sent to Brisbane from the National Museum of Natural History in Paris.
But the pressed plant samples were incinerated because accompanying documents were filled out incorrectly.
Australian quarantine authorities have ordered a review into the incident.
The plants were destroyed in March because of missing information such as details of the specimens, they said.
'Highly valuable'
The French museum was upset that the "irreplaceable collection" had been destroyed, said Prof Michelle Waycott, chair of the Council of Heads of Australasian Herbaria.
She said the flowers may have come from a habitat that no longer existed.
"Sometimes they [collections] may be the last remaining examples of species," she told the BBC.
"I don't think that was the case in this instance, but they are certainly highly valuable, particularly because they were collected so long ago."
Australia's Department of Agriculture and Water Resources, which oversees biosecurity, has asked for a review.
"The department acknowledges the significant value as a botanical reference collection," a spokesperson told the Australian Broadcasting Corp.
"The destruction of the specimens should not have proceeded while communication between the department and the intended recipient was ongoing."

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I drive four stakes into the ground around the seedling then add horizontal pieces with screws at the top to form a box. Then I staple 60 percent black shade fabric on the sides and top. When the seedling gets bigger I remove the top panel.  When the tree outgrows the shelter ire use it with another seedling.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: worm castings
« on: March 19, 2017, 03:22:11 PM »
That should work well.  If you have fresh castings, they will have a lot of worm eggs wich will hatch and spread worms to all of your mulch beds... 


Having 100lbs of worm castings delivered Tuesday. Will apply it to each fruit tree and add it to trees in pots. Do you think that putting the castings as a top dressing and then adding mulch on top of it is good practice?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: worm castings
« on: March 19, 2017, 03:19:15 PM »
I visited a large worm farm once to pick up some castings.  The guy was feeding the worms rabbit poop. (He raised rabbits as well) 

I've never used cardboard or newsprint for vermibeds. Farm waste mostly - corn stalks, banana trunks, sugarcane waste, sometimes spoiled hay. A shredder works just fine if you want things chopped up in smaller pieces. I have also occasionally used coarse wood chips (had a pile sitting around for use as mulch that I forgot to cover with a tarp and subsequently soaked up too much rainwater) it lasted for quite some time like it took ages to break down but I had a glut of worms during the time I used it for bedding.

i am in the suburbs, so we dont really get much in the way of "farm waste"
grass clippings seem to work great. green or dried.
dried is much better for bedding. but some green now and again work also,
especially if there is some type of bedding already there.

i often steal my neighbors bags grass clippings he puts out for the trash.

i get large bags of sawdust from a local cabinet maker.
great stuff as bedding.
i get 100lb bags of coffee grounds from Starbucks every week.
that makes up most of what i feed them .
they absolutely love the stuff.
(also fruit waste. i eat lots of fruit)

I throw in a handful of diatomaceous earth now and again.
it keeps the gnats down , its healthy for the worms,
and it breaks down into silica and other minerals.


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Certainly could be seeds... But you would think they would have found the seeds in the stomachs of those affected.  Thanks

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They seem pretty certain. But the findings suggest it is only small children that are susceptible when they have not eaten any other food

In 2015, as a result of the investigation, health officials began urging parents in the area to be sure to feed young children an evening meal and to limit their consumption of lychees (sometimes spelled litchi). In two seasons, the number of reported cases per year dropped to less than 50 from hundreds.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/31/world/asia/lychee-litchi-india-outbreak.html

NEW DELHI — Three years ago, Dr. Rajesh Yadav, an investigator with the India Epidemic Intelligence Service, moved to the city of Muzaffarpur, the site of one of the country’s most mysterious outbreaks. And he waited.

Every year in mid-May, as temperatures reached scorching heights, parents took children who had been healthy the night before to the hospital. The children awakened with a high-pitch cry in the early morning, many parents said.

Then the youths began having seizures and slipping into comas. In about 40 percent of cases, they died.

Every year in July, with the arrival of monsoon rains, the outbreak ended as suddenly as it began.

Beginning in 1995, investigations variously ascribed the phenomenon to heat stroke; to infections carried by rats, bats or sand flies; or to pesticides used in the region’s ubiquitous lychee orchards. But there were few signposts for investigators.

Instead of occurring in clusters, the illness typically struck only one child in a village, often leaving even siblings unaffected.

A joint investigation by India’s National Center for Disease Control and the India office of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, published in the British medical journal The Lancet Global Health on Tuesday, has identified a surprising culprit: the lychee fruit itself, when eaten on an empty stomach by malnourished children.

In 2015, as a result of the investigation, health officials began urging parents in the area to be sure to feed young children an evening meal and to limit their consumption of lychees (sometimes spelled litchi). In two seasons, the number of reported cases per year dropped to less than 50 from hundreds.

“It was an unexplained illness for so many years,” said Padmini Srikantiah, a senior epidemiologist with the C.D.C. and the senior author of the paper. “This is kind of emblematic of why we collaborate, to build this kind of systematic approach.”

The Lancet article walks through a two-year medical detective story, as epidemiologists like Dr. Yadav closely examined the lives of hundreds of afflicted children, trying to understand everything they had eaten, drunk and breathed.

“It was a very intense situation, because we witnessed children dying in front of our eyes every day, as soon as they arrived at the hospital,” said Dr. Yadav, who now works with the C.D.C. in Atlanta. Especially difficult were the detailed interviews of parents, many of whom had carried a convulsing or comatose child for hours to get to the hospital.

“They were in a kind of panic,” he said. “Their children were dying, and it was an unknown thing.”

The first clue: There was no evidence the children had infections.

For 20 years, clinicians were unable to determine if the disease, which led to acute brain swelling known as encephalopathy, was caused by an infection — the immediate assumption in many outbreaks here.

Sorting through lychees in India. The fruit has been blamed for causing sickness in children. Credit Jaipal Singh/European Pressphoto Agency
Investigators pored over records from the previous year’s outbreak and were struck by the fact that many of the sick children did not have a fever. Analysis of spinal fluid samples overwhelmingly showed that the affected children did not have elevated counts of white blood cells, a sign the body is fighting infection.

The second clue: Most of the victims had very low blood sugar levels.

Having collected biological samples from more than 300 children, the researchers were able to scan a large number of markers — including some they hadn’t suspected.

Glucose had never been a particular concern for investigators. But some of the affected children had strikingly low levels, and those with low blood glucose were twice as likely to die, Dr. Srikantiah said.

“It seemed to be a little signal,” she continued. “One of the things we heard multiple times from the children’s mothers was that they didn’t really eat dinner properly.”

The third clue: Outbreaks had been associated with the ackee fruit, which is in the same family as the lychee.

It was in the fall of 2013, during a conference call with colleagues in Atlanta, that someone mentioned “Jamaican vomiting sickness,” an outbreak in the West Indies that for many decades caused brain swelling, convulsions and altered mental states in children.

The outbreak turned out to be tied to hypoglycin, a toxin found in the ackee fruit that inhibits the body’s ability to synthesize glucose, leading to acute hypoglycemia, or low blood glucose levels. “It had been going on for a decade, if not a century, before people really figured out what it was,” Dr. Srikantiah said. “Now, the grandmothers and the mothers teach their kids, ‘Don’t eat the unripe ackee fruit.’ ”

By late 2014, laboratory tests confirmed that lychees also contain high levels of hypoglycin, as well as a similar toxin known as methylenecyclopropyl glycine, or MCPG.

This was an answer hiding in plain sight. The Muzaffarpur area produces about 70 percent of India’s lychee harvest, and around the affected villages, “you really couldn’t go 100 meters without bumping into a lychee orchard,” Dr. Srikantiah said, referring to a distance of 330 feet.

Though orchards were typically guarded by caretakers, children often ate lychees that were unripe or that had fallen to the ground. But because everyone in the region eats them, it was difficult for many to believe that, in isolated cases, it could set off a catastrophic illness.

The fourth clue: Affected children had huge metabolic imbalances.

By early 2015, C.D.C. laboratories had developed a test to measure hypoglycin in urine. They found extraordinary abnormalities in the affected children. “The folks in the genetic labs said ‘We haven’t seen anything like this,’ ” Dr. Srikantiah said. “This was clearly abnormal.”

With that established, the investigators asked participants if they would be comfortable issuing recommendations based on their findings: that young children in the affected areas be encouraged to always eat an evening meal, and that consumption of lychees should be limited.

Everyone agreed. And it was done.

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This tree sounds really interesting.  I also read that there are non toxic varieties.  Maybe you have one?  Do you have any seeds?  Dave.

I found someone selling a nut tree they called the Florida Pistachio.  I got one and planted it in the ground last year.
This year I tried some of the nuts and they were really good. I tried planting a few and one grew and is still thriving. I wanted to learn more about
the tree and found out its common name is physics tree or Barbados nut tree. It turns out the tree is Jatropha curcas. I read the nut is used for
biofuel and toxic? The guy I got the tree from has been eating them for the past several years and when he got the original seeds they were from
someone who also ate the nuts. Does anyone have any info on this tree? As far as growing, it is deciduous and drought tolerant and very easy to grow.
I wanted to plant 6 after trying the nut it was so good. I don't want to poison my family yet, well sometimes my wife....
Did you ever find a source greenman62?
Mike

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sabara Fruit
« on: January 22, 2017, 01:56:29 PM »
I received fruit in great shape and delicious.  Thanks Ray!!

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I den you a pm luc.

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Tropical Fruit Online Library / The Incredible POMEGRANATE
« on: January 14, 2017, 02:59:45 PM »
http://ucanr.edu/sites/Pomegranates/files/164443.pdf

THE INCREDIBLE
POMEGRANATE
PLANT & FRUIT
By
Richard Ashton
With
Barbara Baer & David Silverstein

WINTER CHILL HOURS
Winter Chilling is not necessary for most pomegranates. Chill hours are the
number of hours in the winter below 45 degrees (F). Some nurseries list 100-150
hours for chill hours for pomegranates but most pomegranates do not need any
chill hours. Some of the more cold-hardy varieties are an exception and do need a
little winter chilling for good fruit production. Many pomegranates are grown in
semi-tropical areas that get no temperatures below freezing in the wintertime; such
as the west central part of India where there are large plantations of pomegranates.
There are also several varieties that do not loose their leaves in the wintertime and
are considered evergreens. But these varieties cannot be grown in areas that have
any significant freezing weather. As to high temperatures, there are no areas in the
continental United States that are too hot for pomegranates. Pomegranates are even
being grown in Hawaii where they are reportedly are doing well.
This does not mean that pomegranates do not need a rest period, they do if
you want good fruiting. In west central India where the temperatures are not low
enough to really make the plants go dormant, to cause dormancy the Indian
farmers in the area have two methods. First, they do not water the shrubs and let
them dry out, this forces the plants into a type of natural drought protection causing
a rest period. If they have any rains in this period they pull the leaves off the plants
which will also cause a rest period. They have even figured out that by removing
leaves at different times of the year they can have fruit coming off year around.
The brief rest period is followed by flowering and fruit set.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Jabuticaba Fruit (Sabara) For Sale
« on: January 14, 2017, 07:57:54 AM »
Hi Ray, I sent you an email and PayPal  Did you receive? Thanks. Dave

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I think that is a very good idea.  Keep as much of the rainwater on your property as possible.  Soil, mulch, swales and  hugelkultur mounds, are among the best places to "store" rainwater...


I know the answer is "it depends," but for how long can the soil retain water? This is my garden area (actually a paddock, but I have no horses):





The trail to the right has a lot of runoff during our brief winter rainy season, when I don't have anything growing in the garden anyway. If I could divert the rain into the paddock and flood it, could that water be available to my plants later? Like in the summer? Or would it just drain away below ground?

If you want to hold the water for a longer period for reuse later, you could put in a cistern or a pond and divert runoff into that.  Of course, that is a bigger endeavor.

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If you define the basins around your trees and mulch the entire lot heavily, you could retain and store at least some of the runoff.  The idea is to slow down the water and hold it while it seeps slowly into your soil. Be sure your Swales and basins are on contour and level so you don't create an erosion problem when they overflow. How much your soil will hold depends on the depth and composition...Clay soil will hold more than sand... For example. But adding more organic matter by way of organic mulch will increase your water holding capacity.

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I think that is a very good idea.  Keep as much of the rainwater on your property as possible.  Soil, mulch, swales and  hugelkultur mounds, are among the best places to "store" rainwater...

I have sandy soil covered in tree trimmers mulch, which is fairly moist from the rain we've been getting.  I divert overflow from my rainwater tanks to different areas of the garden (in between trees) hoping to saturate the soil in preparation for the dry season.  Is this worth the effort or should I be concerned about leaching??

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Black sapote leaf drop/disease
« on: December 28, 2016, 03:44:09 PM »
Thanks!  That is really helpful information.  Really appreciate your willingness to share your expertise:)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Black sapote leaf drop/disease
« on: December 28, 2016, 10:18:56 AM »
Thanks Har,  I will pick up some Potassium Phosphite to have on hand...  I did not realize this could be a sign of potassium deficiency...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Greetings from a new member
« on: December 28, 2016, 08:35:24 AM »
Welcome John,  I can relate to desert like conditions...  :)  These is some GREAT information on this forum.  Try searching as a starting point.  Here is a good thread.

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=729.0

Mulch is great!  You also could try drip irrigation.  But it looks like your trees are growing well:)

Best, Dave

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Black sapote leaf drop/disease
« on: December 26, 2016, 02:44:36 PM »
I have noticed the same on one of mine.  I just pruned off the small black branches.  The tree seems to be healthy...

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Paraquat is the active ingredient in Gramoxone, a weed killer produced by Syngenta.

Paraquat, one of many pesticides that can’t be used in Europe but is sold in the United
States and elsewhere, has been linked to Parkinson’s disease in a growing body of research.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/20/business/paraquat-weed-killer-pesticide.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

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Love it!! Becoming partly self sustainable is my goal as well👍🏼 Sounds like you are doing all the right things. And agreed, it always amazes me when folks throw out perfectly good mulch and then go to the store to buy some...  Lol.

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I bought a small McKissick chipper 12P  http://www.mackissic.com/Hammermill%20Shredder-Chippers.html   I shred the thorny acacia trees in the neighborhood:) 

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Very cool approach in the Florida keys.  Grimal took a similar approach in his grove down there
http://growinghopeinitiative.org/history-2/

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Glad you enjoyed it. The cool thing about his methods is that once the planting a, mulch and earthworks are in place, their function is passive. One could go away on vacation and not worry about everything dying if someone forgets to water.  These methods are also low cost and make the best use of untreated rainwater which is free.  All it takes is some knowledge, observation of your landscape, and hard work😅 

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Thanks for the link.  It's sad most people cannot understand this method or refuse to try.  I have over 1000 trees with 45 different species of tropical/subtropical fruit trees.  My trees have been in the ground here in Florida for about one year.  I have never watered any of them ever not one drop.  You do have to pay attention to the land and plant accordingly.  All My trees are healthy and thriving,  I did lose probably less then 50 grafted trees total but I think this was mainly do to the fact they were chemically dependent from the grower.  Mostly from one grower who I will not mention, nor buy from again.

Yeah, I am on rainwater collection and a cistern so water is scare.   Mulching really helps.  I have tried a couple of swales to trap rainwater which has worked well.  No fertilizer here.  Just add mulch, sulfur and humates for the most part... 

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