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Delicious tree fruit still unidentified. More photos added.
« on: January 05, 2013, 04:39:15 AM »
Had an amazing day at the Tenom Horticultural Park today.   No one on staff could identify these 2 fruits in the edible fruit section of the park. 
I also do not know these fruits.




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Re: 2 fruits to identify with leaves in photo too
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2013, 04:56:48 AM »
May be Canarium harveyii for the first one. Did you find the book "Fruits nuts and spices" willian W.W.Wong and Anthony Lamb (Department of agriculture Sabah, Malaysia) got it (January 2010) at Borneo book sevices Wisma merdeka gound floor KK ?

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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2013, 05:23:30 AM »
Will look for book.  Heard good things about Anthony Lamb.

First one is not Canarium harveyii.  Sorry, my photos are so terrible.  Here are some better ones with a Canarium species for comparison.




The fruit is very good, sort of like a longan, but with a muskier flavour.  I thought it might be Pometia pinnata, but the staff said it was not.




seed of this unknown fruit along side a Canarium seed




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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2013, 06:10:08 AM »
I forgot this one, with leaves that look like a giant curry leaf tree.  Fruit tastes like coffee fruit, ie kind of awful.


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Re: 2 fruits to identify with leaves in photo too
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2013, 07:40:24 AM »
Had an amazing day at the Tenom Horticultural Park today.   No one on staff could identify these 2 fruits in the edible fruit section of the park. 
I also do not know these fruits.




Could this one be a type of Baccaurea?  The leaf growth looks like my Burmese grape.  But the fruit color is throwing me.

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Re: 2 fruits to identify with leaves in photo too
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2013, 09:32:31 AM »
May be Canarium harveyii for the first one. Did you find the book "Fruits nuts and spices" willian W.W.Wong and Anthony Lamb (Department of agriculture Sabah, Malaysia) got it (January 2010) at Borneo book sevices Wisma merdeka gound floor KK ?

Other possibility is to obtain a tree map. Most experimental station map their plantings.
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Re: 2 fruits to identify with leaves in photo too
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2013, 11:53:26 AM »
The first one, as I know Sabah introduced a lot of fruit may be a Talisia esculenta ? but black it's strange...
The last one looks like a MYRTACEAE.
And I'll phone to Sherlock Holmes...

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Re: 2 fruits to identify with leaves in photo too
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2013, 05:08:27 PM »
Second one looks maybe annonaceous. The way fruit are held reminds me of a few species from NQ like uvaria, pseudovaria, xylopia, meiogyne, melodorum etc.

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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2013, 06:06:25 PM »
Second one looks maybe annonaceous. The way fruit are held reminds me of a few species from NQ like uvaria, pseudovaria, xylopia, meiogyne, melodorum etc.
I think so too.  It tasted a bit like kepel and I guessed it was finger sop... until I looked at a photo of finger sop.

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Delicious tree fruit still unidentified. More photos added.
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2013, 08:58:18 AM »


First one is not Canarium harveyii.  Sorry, my photos are so terrible.  Here are some better ones with a Canarium species for comparison.




The fruit is very good, sort of like a longan, but with a muskier flavour.  I thought it might be Pometia pinnata, but the staff said it was not.




seed of this unknown fruit along side a Canarium seed




Noticed germination today, which puts it at about 20 days.


the bark and tree trunk.


the leaves


The fruit on the tree.

Fruit is still unknown, even at the family level. 



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Re: Delicious tree fruit still unidentified. More photos added.
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2013, 06:12:26 PM »
Not Talisia, because no compound leaves.
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Re: Delicious tree fruit still unidentified. More photos added.
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2013, 07:49:10 PM »
Not Talisia, because no compound leaves.

Thank you Har.  Could all Sapindaceae be eliminated?

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Re: Delicious tree fruit still unidentified. More photos added.
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2013, 05:12:27 AM »
I hear there are black Pometia pinnatas, but forget what the leaves look like? Probably Mike T can help you rule that one in or out?
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2013, 05:21:19 AM »
I hear there are black Pometia pinnatas, but forget what the leaves look like? Probably Mike T can help you rule that one in or out?

arent the leaves of fijiian longan opposite? Does look like the fruit though
http://www.flickr.com/photos/camillenoir/4253336520/#

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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2013, 05:32:17 AM »
I hear there are black Pometia pinnatas, but forget what the leaves look like? Probably Mike T can help you rule that one in or out?

arent the leaves of fijiian longan opposite? Does look like the fruit though
http://www.flickr.com/photos/camillenoir/4253336520/#

In that flickr photo, the leaf veins are very yellow, but I don't know if that is because of nutrition or species.

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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2013, 05:34:28 AM »
There are not black fiji longans which are much larger,with a bicolor pebbly seed, a thick brittle shell and tranlucent yellow/beige flesh.They are a classy fruit and I am trying to lay my hands on.Black fiji longans from Samoa and New Britain are the good ones and I have been told there are black SE Asian fiji longans of lesser quality.

The one in the picture looks like a lauraceae except for the translucent flesh.It has me beat.

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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2013, 05:59:36 AM »
There are not black fiji longans which are much larger,with a bicolor pebbly seed, a thick brittle shell and tranlucent yellow/beige flesh.They are a classy fruit and I am trying to lay my hands on.Black fiji longans from Samoa and New Britain are the good ones and I have been told there are black SE Asian fiji longans of lesser quality.

The one in the picture looks like a lauraceae except for the translucent flesh.It has me beat.

What amazes me is how good it is and yet it remains unknown to the staff at the park and the forum members here.  I have distributed a few seeds internationally to help motivate more than me to find out what it is.  The flavour of the fruit is as strong as a longan.  It doesn't have the subtlety of an avocado or engkala, plus it is sweet.  Also, seed is not like the other edible Lauraceae species, being flat and black.  It is not necessarily from Borneo, either, which deepens the problem.  There are two trees at the Horticultural Park, both bearing fruit, each slightly different, but planted too close to a couple of bigger trees to take a photo of the tree's form. 

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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2013, 01:58:05 PM »
I forgot this one, with leaves that look like a giant curry leaf tree.  Fruit tastes like coffee fruit, ie kind of awful.



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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2013, 07:11:10 AM »
I have a pot full of little seedlings now (but no decent camera at the moment) and although I was told the delicious  species is a Legume, I would say from the seedling that it is a Eurphobiaceae, specifically, a Baccaurea as the seedlings look very similar to Baccaurea macrocarpa or B. angulata.  There is a small chance that the naughty boys upstairs swapped my labels though. :-\ 

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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2013, 07:14:41 AM »
Had an amazing day at the Tenom Horticultural Park today.   No one on staff could identify these 2 fruits in the edible fruit section of the park. 
I also do not know these fruits.




Could this one be a type of Baccaurea?  The leaf growth looks like my Burmese grape.  But the fruit color is throwing me.

GwenninPR,  I think you are right!

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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2013, 12:20:19 PM »
i dont think its burmese grape (and its relatives) .... burmese grape were common among indonesian...especially fellows from borneo. the special caharchters of these fruit is the fruits were resemble in cluster just like tampui or duku or langsat. in the other hand those mysterious black fruit were look like hanging alone on its twigs. the little "crown" like shape in the bottom of the fruit remind me of myrteceae....and those transculent flesh looks very similiar with jaboticaba or duwet (S. cumini)
how about the flowers? do you have any picture of them?

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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2013, 12:24:43 PM »
and maybe you would googling some pict of "gowok" (Syzygium polycephalum) just for some comparison in fruit shape...

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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2013, 05:47:28 PM »
and maybe you would googling some pict of "gowok" (Syzygium polycephalum) just for some comparison in fruit shape...
The skin colour is similar, but S. polycephalum looks like a Myrtaceae with that big crater on the bottom.  This one does not have the appearance of a Myrtaceae.

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« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2013, 09:49:43 PM »
Could fruit #2 be uvaria ovata?
http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/guaycuyacu/1326253653/
The fruit and leaves, I noticed, are similar, do the flowers shown match up with the plant at the horticultural park?

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« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2013, 12:11:19 PM »
On closer inspection, RD's photo shows a plant with smooth branches, while Jim West's photos show rather hairy branches. Of course, this could be natural variation, and the plant in RD's photo seems to have some type of pest.