The Tropical Fruit Forum

After observing this weird Black Sapote in Frank Backyard for 18 months and trying to find a seed from the everbearing year round tree; I finally gave up and saw down my beloved Jene Joyner Dinner plate Black Sapote and work on grafting this superior flavorable fruit in my backyard.




















This tree is insect proof, drought resistance and medium large not the giant I am used to.  The fruit never ripe on the tree, we never saw any drop by itself.  It flowers, fruit in various stage of development and its the only tree within 10 miles that we are aware of.  This tree We beleive came from the Japanese researcher's property in West Palm he sold it to Frank's landscapers of which frank has several interesting fruit trees planted.  In my not so humble opinions; it is the most dense black sapote ever had and its buttery sweetness would make this the Toro of Black sapote: i hope to chase down this Japanese breeder who finished his PHD research here In West Palm Beach and sold the landscaper the property. I wonder if the Annona Mafias have already hired him for services in Ryukyu/Okinawa?🙏🏾😃

You have to pick it green and feel heavy like a gold bar and let it ripen on counter.  Forget apoy the curve petiole on the stem, it doesn't work!

Raul buddy and to all my international friend not verse in American Regional Diversity; here is what I posted awhile back in june in my whitman fiberless flower first time thread. Sorry you read the thread back ward and miss it Raul, do not put fresh fecal matter on young plant, age it; otherwise you will kill anything even goat or chicken dropping.  Raul if no one is looking, you can drop a few selfices = selfies + feces = nightsoil.  Go back and re-read my thread and you wont miss all the great foto of the process.  Never fresh stuff on, always age so you dont kill the manure worms that feed and break up the nutrient for the Whitman Fiberless;  When it is fruiting you need a organic slow release plus something that keep a population of worms under the tree.  If you can not find worms thriving under the tree, you are not I repeat get any fruit.  I dont know why but that has been my general observation, my firm rollinia XXXSnob became fruitful as of right now second in 2015 to set fruit even though it flowers year round.  When I was using Excalibur 20 cheapo fertilizer, it did not set fruit so I swap for redneck fertilizer.  When the seedlings are young yes you can use the chemical fertilizer, but when they start flowering on XXXSnob Firm Rollinia and Whitman Fiberless, a slow release fertilizer benign to the worms and earthly denizens set self fruiting like what I have experience during the last two years as compare to the first four years of nothing but grief.

Quote from: Soren on June 02, 2015, 02:42:58 AM

    Keep up the good reports! The Arusha selection will not be comparable with 'Whitman Fiberless' in fruit quality though I do expect it will stand out from the common fiberrich types - however, with a total of more than 75 fruits on my bigger tree and plenty of flowers still emerging it is a very high yielding type worth growing. And it is neglected.!


Soren that is music to my ears, neglected and self pollinating fruits that rain on your cornocopia, a blessing traits that will be bred into the whitman so I dont have to dump zinc sulphate and excessive babysitting in my Old Age.  I got mine frim Broward Fruit & Vegetable 208 sale and I think they source them from Excalibur or a private local grafter.  For some of you wanting a plant, I suggest getting some of the nurseries in your area, contact Oscar for the Original and have Adam or other graft you the fable Whitman unfruitful one (than follow Redneck Botany) I am just a barn yard sith fart breeding in my golden year to keep my distress low while I built gilted mansions for the Whales and yes I am not a nursery business.  There are those that are master grafters here that can get it for those that have a desire to baby Whitman fiberless to fruitation; than copy redneck science as experiences by this Appalachian Hillbilly and hopefully they will fuit abundant for you like they did for this Choctaw!😀

Whatever Seeds I have managed to produce goes into my breeding selection program over the next decades ( trade are only to other sith breeders or Sith Collectors who have a heavy desired to spread the selection far and wide & have something of interest to trade) hopefully an improved Whitman Fiberless with the self high pollination bearing of Soren Arusha traits with the cold, disease, pest resistant of the Whitman Original; but above all a fiberless creamy flesh that melt in your mouth not choking your throat with its no melt in your mouth cottony fiberflesh!😄. Yuup hopefully two strains to develop; Boca Snob Whitman & Soren Arusha Whitman will be improved Whitman fiberless for the lazy pomologists!😆

Ok Redneck Fertilizer; many Moon Ago in the distant Hills of Tennesee & Virginia my Choctaw mixed trail struggling Redneck clan was moon shining by the nite and stratching corn from the spent coal hills by day! We were so dirt poor, hell we had a dirt floor to brag the winter can be cold without the home shine.  The only fertilizer that were free were hill night soil ( appalachian slang for selfies😆💩💩🙏🏾🙏🏾).  One day in the outhouse the old man notice that the ye old Sear and Mongomory Ward catalogs pump from the outhouse made our corn yield better than chemical ammonia fertilizer they pump as explosive in coal pit open mining.  Yes as a child the Sears & Mongomery Ward Catalogs were our toilet papers as well as redneck Playboy Magazine with the underwear Models we learn to dream in our youth before they come out with these modern Victoria Secret Underwear models catalog that left scimpy nothing else for the imagination!😫

My old Paw told us the white man stole our land so its not a crime for us to take advantage of white man institutions; old man said The Great Spirit gave us His blessing and the Earth Mother will give us a cornucopia bounty and protect us from the Revenuer!  So us youngun of ten would fill out every catalog sending companies that send free catalogs.  We dumpster dive the area Ku Klux Clan  Meeting Club for all kind of flyers and carboard boxes and they were only too happy to trade racist insults for free garbage cleaning.  We brew our cardboard, newspaper with barnyard stool and that marvolous outhouse smell was the Eart Mother protection to her Earth Children.  The Revenuer would drive pass our house screaming god dam stinking Hybrid Choctaw they should be all in Oklahoma Reservation!  We were so happy those Revenuer were Ku Klux Klanmen, they pass us and arrest those Appapachian poor Scottish Irish redneck barely able to stratch a living from the hills several mountain over like us before ginseng & Marijuana become cash crop in modern time.


Yeah I was a Shitologist before it becomes a branch of study now, but in those day more than a half century ago it was a free fertilizer for ghe taking and urine were plentiful; we learn to brew with less offensive odor over the years and also producing ton of worms for bream & catfish fishing.  Of course we made real moonshine next to the pee shine.

Redneck Fertilizer for backyard Enthusiast!

Ingredient:  need a mailbox, three five gallon buckets!  A stirring stick and willing donor of amber Gold Lager.

Direction:  have donors pee pee into bucket daily or collection of liquid urine and fill a five gallon bucket with one gallon of this special amber gold lager and three gallon of water.  Put in buckets all the flyers, brochure, paper magazine you have received from your mail box into this bucket amd let it marinates in the Florida hot sun for a day, than stir but not shaken so the papers now have dissolved. Keep piling another week into it and feel free to add more amber gold lager freely donate by you or frienly neighboor. Championing your green zero emmission policy.  By adding lots of paper to Urine and water, the brew never develop strong odor of Urine Radiactivity that could invite backyard health inspectors.  I highly recommend brewing it in the shade if too much sun give it a moonshine odor attracting HOA NAZI!

After two weeks just aim at the trunk of your favorite fruit tree and dump on it, careful of the back splash that can get on your clothing.  Dont be afraid to mark this spot as holy with fresh amber lager to speed the decomposition of the complex cellulose molecules (wow that sound redneckity smart).  Three weeks just lift the pile and collect a bunch of fiesty worm for fishing.  These time release organics are the best slow release all natural freeze range no antiobic you can do your trees a loving favor!😄🌴

Guarantee Wife Approved for Good Housekeeping if you tell your wife this story.  Back than growing up in poverty and filfth, now that I am filthy rich Sith does that stop me from brewing real free good shit for my backyard, heck no!  Earth Mother will give me bounty if I continue to be a better steward of her land given!  My Jewish Brother in law said that I am the most frugal Jews he had ever known; smart enough to get free fertilizer from the USPostal Service delivery at no cost!  My Jewish Rabbi Ndighboor across the street were I donate a lot of my fruit, said that this fertilizer is Kosher for the Garden ( I slip him 500 bucks for the injunction)!😇🙏🏾😈😇😆💩

If it not breaking down fast enough, you can use a high pressure water nozzile aim at the pile, will quickly see the water gun will hit the aged paper and break it down so our worm will fresh multiply faster and our fruit trees eat better sooner.  Now dont eat the Florida Oyster Mushroom popping upon the compost paper!👻😆

I will try to post Italian Shit Meatball after the New Year for germinating seeds if you dont like Girrabilin Acid.  One shitty post is enough for 2015.

Many of you who have followed my ranting and have manage to squirrel away some of my prize stealth genetic selections for your breeding and enjoyment might callously consider those are the coup d'etat of this Sith Breeder backyard epoch glory.  You are all  foresaken my friends, stay in your outhouse for your universal disdain for the Humble Pond apple that has fatten many raccoon and brought so much nourishment joy to all Native American in the South East!(I am talking about the raccoon for those with pea brain appreciation for annona glabra).  For trolls looking to troll over a misunderstood and often blatant prejudice please move on to some other fruit thread, this fruit aint for you to comprehend amigo!  For those who has a fascination with this fruit beyound the grafting fetish; welcome superfans!

It has taken me nearly 2/3 of my life to hunt down, taste grow and select the Fable Humble Pond Apple guarantee to give a White Man the diahrea of his life and wash those with foul mouth with its soapiness!

It has started many years ago two young mercenary pups barely wean of the Shaman blessing and embow by the Great Spirit, one of the Proud Choctaw Nation and one of the Fierce Seminole Nation serving foreign governments in West and Equitorial Africa in the Fleuve Zone. Two Native sons fighting for freedom in a foreign land were we are treat as great warrior of high respect, ironically back home no better than the feral dogs commonly feather on the redskin nations;  40 years has squirrel past since my Seminole Brother Thunder Kite taught me how to gather the invasive anona glabra and annona senegalensis to make a shine so we can talk to the sky people and our ancestors in America while we were in the African Hot Zone of conflicts..

 Well the liquor shine enable us to talk to our Great Spirit respectively and I have learn many magic that annona glabra can be had in Seminole Ayevedic.  My fascination with Annona Glabra and Annona Senegalensis started back than when Thunder Kite  told Swamp Lightning (my Choctaw name) that he used to enjoy the delicious pond apple in Florida his native home.  He told me how his ancestor escape the white soldiers into the Everglades and survive on pond apple and many other things as medecine.  It was misfortunate to be at his death bed, Thunder Kite took four bullets for the team, I promise I would spread his ash in the everglade were thick stands of annona glabra prevail and you can see the Kite flying free feasting on the apple snails during a Florida Thunderstorm summer. 

In honor of Thunder Kite, this is the first Generation of Annona Glabra that will grow, thrive and fruit in upland as well as wetland and you can eat it out of hand.  It is the best tasting Ponnd apple rivaling any fruit out there if you are willing to oversee it three decades of selection which is a blink in time in a million years scale!




The ripe fruit remind me a blend of Mango pineapple passiofruit banana mix; intense flavor like the alpine strawberries, lot of flavor punch in a small package.



















As you can see, there is more flesh on a brazilian thong than the skimpy flesh of this pond apple. You see the Black Diamond Chewy Sugar Apple has better flesh to seeds as compare to our upland pondle apple Thunder Kite; of course both are the first of their generation debut here to tease and feast your eyes. I think if I was to grow it in the wetland its flesh will be more and would be on the par with any commercial grown annona for fresh eating.  It was grown next to mine Firm Flesh Rollinia both were kind of neglected. I guess all Ugly Ducklings eventually turn into Swans!🐣 The fruit next to the Baracaboi Snob were bigger, than again the Araca boi average 3.5 inch with many common at 4 inch.

Thirty years to Honor Thunder Kite with his Seminole pond apple was worth it for my Big Brother!
A Superior A. montana might be next year to debut! It will be call Swamp Lightning can be grown in high water table or swamp!  The Great Spirit is with you!✨💫

I was gone most of the summer and was surprised to see my favorite food squirrels left some developing nuts on the tree.








As you can see the Macupuno is a massive tree next to the Arod Pandan coconut and they are a decade and three years old!





The Pandan coconut were strip of any flowering to insure no hybrid!  Hopefully the embryo will be send to a lab in NY for embryo rescue!  Luckily the nuts have not gotten large enough to be blown to my hated neighboor and destroy all of his roof.  Hopefully the ancient turd have a heart attack soon so this old fart can have some peace! The turd claimed ants from my macupuno were invading his home!  My other two neighboors that border this ancient turds to the right flank and back told me they dump herbicide on his noxious tree while this old fart and the ancient turds were gone during the summer!

I met a fella in New York who is the CSO of a fortune 100 company and he has a private greenhouse rivaling DARPA; so I will entrust him with embryo rescue and tissue culture this cold resistant and some what spiral white flies resistant too for future superfans.  This Macupuno leaves are bigger than my Boca Giant Dwarf with average leaf 25 feet span; explain why the grumby alzhiemer turd next door having a fit the tree blocking out his nude bathing in the back yard, what a coprolite💩 bastard!  I was hoping the massive leave would drop on the the fossilite turd! Oops sorry about derailing the topic, my senior ranting moment.  If success a massive macupuno coconut with better than 75% yield could appear on the US mainland and destroy neighboors' roof you dont like for all seasons and occasions! 🙏🏾😄🌴

Well folks this is an odball one, this araca boi third crop of 2015 and look like a forth crop on this very productive bush by mid may. I have fifty plus fruits on this guy just four months of 2015.  I have twenty plus varieties now but non have been a producing banshee like this character! It seem so fertile only one in the ground is flowering & setting fruits consistently! 

I originally stole this at sickly reject from BRFVC sale three years ago on last day for five bucks in a three gallon.  Took it home & plant in ground were it proceeded to expire like a vampire in the Sun.










Than I transfer to an urn planter & dump in compost newspaper and urine wine and the thing took off last year and flowers like crazy; and gave me four fruits.  This year I add in italian shit meatballs after xmas and more Homo Sapien pee moonshine alternating in between wet & dry stages in the five feet urn planter with organic thrown in at the end of fruiting cycles!  My Sundrop in grown flowers profusely but had not set fruit like my Araca Boi, even though the Sundrop is eight feet tall!  The wife will be happy to have this fruit tonite, she prefers this as a drink nectar than passionfruit and not HOA messy!  I am smelling the aroma from my hand, my dogs love it too but the bank deposits are not good for making Italian Shit Meatball with too much fiber!  Fruit next to giant passionfruit!💩🐶🐶🐶🐶🐶🐶😇
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Anyone have these available for for sale
Either seeds or plants will be nice to add to my ever expanding sweet fruit collection!😳

How to become a professional Annona stripper;

Are you getting off on these Annona, your eyes salivating and your mouth drooling; your wife siren call and you just ignoring her like she got Ebola virus?

Each foto keep masturbating your tastebud & you are craving for more of the split fruit spread; this is definitely the fruit of the month centerfold. So Sexy Delicious you screaming so loud your wife have already threaten an amicable separation from you for complicity with exotic dancing fruit. Are you finding you have an Annona addiction is beyond the fix that your tree can produce over slow and over long period.

Are you getting real corny during Annona season and your tree aren't giving you enough of the evil fruits of Eden & you have fruit infertility crisis.  You feel famish watching post after post of delicious annona porn & you getting mental orgAsm for your ang & ready to kill your annona tree for its unfruitful fidelity!
Hey are you getting tire of being striptease by continue abundant postings of various lanky luscious Annona in long duration and your same tree is producing nothing but mummy fruit and or quick shower of disappointment you cant stuff your face fast enough. If you have a mental orgy seeing Coconut is feeding Noah & his ark; and you are still left with unfulfilled annona lust you just cant fulfill at Club Backyard Maison? You are envious Well Burlesque no more.
In this post you will learn how to be a better pole dancer up your tall  aluminum ladder that will make your wife cry with annona-ious desire when she see you stripping your tree of every leaves, dripping sweat & a few sun burn wearing that scan european or is it one of those brazilian men thong that would get you arrest at a Bible Belt beach, to produce her favorite love apple, nature aphrodisiac sugar apple.

I will show you how to strip your tree and make your wife very happy so you can ditch the Viagra and go natural like me.

The bad thing now all the leaves are temporary off, the neighbors can overlook my  naked and afraid wanna be reality trial.

Do it slowly & gently & you see all the leaves strip off and your wife love a man with slow hand https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2G4NJl-LTLA





















It is time to strip your tree to induce another flush of flower.  Yes its hot right now in South Florida and your annona crops especially sugar apple and atemoya are winding down.

You need a stepladder








Start to trim all the straggler fruits off the tree & trim low hanging branch that is lower in the shade & does not get full solar light to make the straggler getting any bigger!











Stripping is easy;



















After you strips all the leaves from the tree,  please do not water for a week and throw some organic fertilizer on like seaweed I get from the beach, fish emusifier or age horse Manure from Wellington stables.  Canal mucks work too!  Than after a week water like hell everyday. That dry to wet break the tree dormacy cycle; every microclimate is different so tinkering around to find your cycle in South Florida.
After a week of flooding here are buds popping up today!


















I will be feeding sugar apples and Atemoya for families on Turkfest and x-mas and Hannakah and ramadan!

Squirrels this year raid my Boca giant second generation chewy sugar apple.

We were lucky to save smaller fruits from their destruction, Member Ron aka Seadation  was kind enough to come by to assist me, but the larger two to three lbs were destroy before it could ripe!
Here is smaller fruits Ron was able to take home to do a taste test for me; Ron just got out of work at The Boca Surgical wart & he is happy to deliver my two small babies in his hands, keitt mango to compare.








Squirrels this year raid my second Boca giant generation chewy sugar apple.









Wife & I enjoy a bountiful harvest besides squirrels decimating all the large fruit thinking they are ripe but in reality they have not stop growing!


I finally can say after 15 plus years of breeding & selection; my cultivar is finally stable.  The Folks in Taitung agree too, and that is all I need to know 100 hectares are already planted!

Now I just need to work on Improving the Burmese Blood as the best Red in its class; I will post this fruit develop next month, short and self fertile large fruit that rival the poor performance of Taiwanese purple in S. florida. 

Whitman Fiberless Soursop should be change to Whitman Fiberless Sweetsop

Two week ago or so I posted my abundant harvest of PIN soursop seedling fruits and thought it was excellent.

Well folks I harvest today my first Whitman Fiberless Sweet Soursop and I was amazed.  I was at first quite disappointed that it has fiber, until I look hard at its name fiberless = less fiber not no fiber. But the more I chew its fibers, the fibers so tender they melted away, wow! Half of the fruit was seedless & those did not have any cotton (aka fiber), just creamy custardy. Those that have cotton fibers did not have the gag factor.  It is the sweetest soursop I have ever tasted, like eating a home ripe pineapple out of hand, my God this rival my Petch Patchong Atemoya, Incredible.

Flora notes of soursop, sweetness of pineapple, a Note of Fuji apple, mango, banana, passion fruit combined; why the hell I did not plant this three decades ago??? I have gotten this six years ago at a broward rfvc sale on the last day.  The sucker that gave it to me for ten dollars told me it was notorious for unfruitful. Well it flower five flowers last year & set two fruits which I harvest one today. I dump five lbs of zinc sulfate at its trunk base, now I have notice twenty plus flowers & look like a few 1/2 dozen fruit set.

The peel was so easy to peel off, now I waited for my dozen or so other soursop trees to fruit this & next year to determine which get ax so Luc' Mangosteen can have a permanent home!

According to Whitman, The Whitman fiberless were selected from not so productive Cuban fiberless in Miami.  I will harvest my second fruit next week.  If taste the same I am going to plant all the seeds to see if I can not get a better selection seedling that completely be no fiber. Maybe we will call it Whitman no fiber sweetsop, well that will confused people with the sugar apple; we got enough confusion already so lets us stick to calling it Whitman No fiber Diabetic Soursop?? 

After three years from seed got from Oscar, I was estactic to see it flowering. 
white malay apple tree grown in large airpot immergence in 3 inch water for three years



white malay apple seedling grown in soil three time taller than the airpot but no flowering right now.

I got a PIN grafted red Malay four feet tall when planted six years ago, it is now twenty feed and no flower

I got an  Excalibur grafted black malay five feet tall in ground four years and twenty feet tall & no flower.
I got a black malay apple from Oscar & its a three year old seedlings in airpot in three inch water & it starting to develop flower bud.

For you Malay apple Gurus, why is my planted in the ground 15-20 feet grafted tree not fruiting & the airpot non grafted seedling growing flowers, thay all get abundance water & healthy as Heaven??  Should I samurai the worthless tree ?? 

Why is Oscar seeds flowering for both the Black & white Malay.... Is there Vodoo Magic in Oscar's seeds???

Read this today!!!
Here is our chance to get mangosteen, junglesop, duku or any fruit that take too long to fruit from seeds.
Who is in with me to built & launch our own TFForum Satellite? 

http://rt.com/news/cherry-tree-space-japan-796/

I was out in my backyard today doing general maintenance on my Barret M107A1, zeroing my Leupold Mark 4 Sniper Scope in when at the flank cornea of my eyes in the spider first grouping, I though I scope down a UFO, upon closer inspection with my track point XS1 gun for the kill shot, i nearly fell out of my backyard balcony into our swimming pool in total disbelief.

It all begun in 2010, I order some Sweet Santol seeds from Oscar who convinced me you can fruit them here in S. Florida; after I read the failures of many & was never able to locate any phantom lollipop trees I have heard exist-fruiting outside, not in someone greenhouse here in Florida.  I lost my real large purple mangosteen to a cold freeze in 2009, so a false mangosteen that can fruit here in Boca is more real to me than the real thing that died that year outside.

I Planted Oscar's 12 seedlings outside and watch only one seedling survived the four coldest on record multiple winter freezes of the last 25 years for my area. After that I practically gave up or ignore Oscar's seedling as a worthwhile fruiting endeavor.  It grew sickly & gangly slow during juvenile phase under shadows of my chewy sugar apples & dwarf drinking coconut, you hardly notice its camouflage neglected occupation; an Abandon orphan. Since its old leaves turn red, It became a favorite shooting target for my .22 nitro piston pellet gun with night vision scope & sound suppressor for my favorite nocturnal activities; Norwegian roof rat shooting in the tile hood beside cruising this site way past my bedtime mining questionable booby trap stories.

This last six months Fruitlover's seedling exploded into a twenty foot telephone pole of a tree.  Frequent papaya marauding squirrels were shot from this Santol tree who is planted next to a heavy fortify eight feet tall solid reinforce concrete wall that acted like a super highway for all furry fruit pest into my mini HOA contested fruit orchard.  Yes I have built a tropical fruit bunker to bring wild games to my backyard so I can enjoy free range authentic Appalachian Style organic meat in too Kosher Boca Raton.

Hey fruit Mercenary Coconut get to  the F$##$..ing story; its getting nutty by the minute!!!
I apologize to those readers who have suffer emotional duration...reading this redneck tale of gun...games...and bogus mangosteen; i got excited.
My Leupold Mark 4 acquire a firing solution, a small inflorescence spider almost at the top of this cold hardy Santol tree, Coconut Commander rush out to the bullet drop &  took photo of his orphan first flowering. Like any proud father, I rush in to make this report & pass out cuban cigars for everyone.  I hope the tree might be self fruitful but if not I will have trouble locating another cold hardy blooming Santol in South Florida; does anyone have a fruiting tree outside I can get scion, I want to graft it to this tree so their cross pollination will insure good fruit set??