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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting onto cold hardy Annonas
« on: December 12, 2017, 12:09:11 PM »
If you want to get really cold hardy with Annonaceae, try using Asimina triloba rootstock  ::)

I don't believe anyone has successfully grafted cherimola, squamosa, reticulata, etc onto pawpaw. I could be wrong.

Thatís cool! I donít think Iíve heard of that one. I had a Violette de Bordeaux in a pot until last winter when I killed it. :)
It had very nice tasting fruits - berryish kind of like you mentioned about MBVS.
Iíve never tasted Celeste but have heard great things about it. (Just planted last spring).

I shouldíve pointed out- any purchased pawpaw of a named cultivar would be ready to plant in full sun.
You would just have to mulch as always and water the first year for sure.

(In my comments above I was partially addressing seedling trees)

Howdy! I live in one of those towns but I wonít say publicly which :)

I actually donít know which cultivars are ďbestĒ in TN, from experience. My orchard will be planted in the spring of 2018.
However, a nursery here says KSU Atwood and Benson do well, along with Mango. They mentioned Overleese has not done great for them.
Not much info to go on. You could contact Hidden Springs Nursery to try to get a longer list of cultivars theyíve had success with. I donít think any will outright fail - after all, weíre in the native range.

All pawpaws can tolerate full sun if they are at least one year old and, some experts say, 18 inches tall. Most people advise spring planting because the roots go totally dormant in winter and any damage incurred during planting cannot heal and disease can set in.
Trees will need likely lots of water that first year in the ground. If you shade them with shade cloth for a year it would reduce stress and possibly irrigation needs but is not considered by all to be required (some sources say to shade for multiple years). Deep mulching is a must.

I think what youíre doing is great!
I also like figs by the way but only have one tree (Celeste).

Iím happy to help with anything else.

Please post in the tropical board. This is the temperate fruit section.

Looking for pawpaw scions (in late winter 2018)
Particularly interested in the following but open to other cultivars:
Green River Belle
Quaker Delight
Rebeccaís Gold

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: November 20, 2017, 10:13:20 PM »
Thanks, Bush!
Hereís hoping they make it through the winter. I m keeping them in the pots over winter and planting in spring. That had always been my plan but briefly considered planting this fall. Several folks said to plant in fall but more and more authoritative ( if thatís possible) people said spring gives highest degree of success.
Canít remember if I mentioned that Iím adding 5 grafted trees: Atwood, Benson, Shenandoah, Mariaís Joy, and Lehmanís Chiffon. Probably going to save a spot or two for selected seedlings of Overleese, Jerryís Big Girl, Al Horn, or Summer Delight which I plan to start in February.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: November 16, 2017, 09:25:56 AM »
Hi everyone

I have just registred today on this forum.

Thanks Luis, I've been reading here many times before especialy in the hardy citrus board.

Back to the topic, according to the link of the asimina farm in Switzerland, I have heard of such farms here, but this paticular one is in south tyrol, which is a german speaking province of northern italy at the austrian border.

I myself have two trees in my garden. A sunflower and a overlese. Maybe 10-12 years old, and we love the fruits too.


Welcome to the forum!! Itís great to have another pawpaw enthusiast here.

Iím curious - how did you first learn about asimina triloba?

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Strawberry plants? where to go?
« on: October 30, 2017, 01:15:19 PM »
I do not grow strawberries (yet) but i do recall that Ison's Nursery sells them. Check them out online.
Not sure if they have the varieties you're looking for.
Good luck!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Any Rec's for Persimmons and PawPaws?
« on: October 18, 2017, 10:33:27 PM »
I also prefer astringent persimmons. Havenít had a fuyu that Iíve liked. No flavor just sweet.
I recent bought a Prok persimmon but have not tasted the fruit.
Cliff England ( several varieties.

If I had to list I think the most tried and true pawpaws for quality I would go for:

Jerryís Big Girl just won best pawpaw at Ohio Pawpaw Festival. I think only Cliff England sells this. (Shenandoah won second)

Recipes / Re: Kombucha Recipe?
« on: September 22, 2017, 04:05:00 PM »
I brew kombucha at home.
All of the above info is helpful in getting a culture going.

As for "recipes" - the fun comes in when you bottle the kombucha or otherwise perform a secondary fermentation.
I bottle mine in 16oz servings in "EZ-Cap" brand flip-top style bottles. Works great to carbonate the kombucha. So when I bottle it, I add flavoring agents.
My favorite is dicing-up crystallized ginger, about a tablespoon per bottle. Fresh watermelon juice makes a surprisingly flavorful result. Passionfruit (or maypop, in my case) also works well and really comes thru in the finished product. Some fruits don't work well for me, like soursop.
Pineapple is also good. Grapes, blueberries...oh, and pomegranate is excellent (fresh).

Blending any of these fruits with ginger, etc is cool, or with herbs. the sky's the limit - I have not done much tinkering beyond what I mentioned above because it is more time-consuming.

Be cautious with fresh fruit because the fermentation can go nuts and really pressurize the bottles - be careful opening!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Really Stupid Question....
« on: September 22, 2017, 03:33:00 PM »
Ok, though I have been on this forum for a while and have some knowledge about plants and such, there are some glaring holes in my experience/wisdom because I have only been growing things for 3 years.

So here is my super-dumb beginner's question:

Say you have some potted trees in a soil-less potting mix (bark/peat mix). When you go to plant those trees in the ground, do you:
  • gently remove the mix from around the roots so the plant is immersed in the native soil; or
  • leave the potting mix intact and just fill around it with native soil

Basically option 1 is bare-rooting the plant. Based on things I've read, i can see benefits to both options. Option 1 would presumably eliminate issues of soil differential in the root zone, water retention/drainage differential with native soil, etc. However, it could possibly damage the root system (though a soil-less mix basically would fall off the roots on its own).

Looking for advice from folks who've done this - as you can see, I have never done it!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: September 21, 2017, 03:44:33 PM »
Correction of my previous comment.  I am unable to send the PICTURES I have taken of the 3 pawpaw plants loaded with fruits and the harvested fruits. Triphal

Another forum member sent me some of the pictures (thanks!) Here are the links:

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: First and second year pawpaws
« on: September 20, 2017, 12:44:58 PM »
Not a ton of leaf growth on the three year old pawpaw, but some trunck growth....and decent growth on second year pawpaws

Cool! You may see improvement if you clear the area, maybe 3 feet diameter, around the trees, then add some organic matter and mulch. Hard to tell but looks like a lot of competition from weeds etc around the trees.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw Farm sugestions
« on: September 19, 2017, 05:15:55 PM »
I live on top of a mountain and my trees are on well drained black sandy soil on gentle slope growing under tall black walnut tree but get a good bit of full sun every day. I put rock berms around each tree and mulching when planted about 6 years ago. I had ordered 4 trees from Raintree Nursery with one I know is My Rebecca's Gold and I think one was "Prolific ", and the other two were just seedlings. I have planted a few more that I grew from wild local seed. They all seem to produce well, wether I hand pollinate or not. Each year I'll have one or two trees that seem to alternate bear which I think is due to varied flower maturation timing with male/female phases. Rebecca's Gold is softer  and yellower than my other greener and firmer fruited varieties, but I like its flavor and pudding-like texture more. Either way, I have to go check all fruits on all trees daily or I'll find some nice big fruits half mashed on ground from falling off trees. I'm currently making jam out of all paw paws I gather since I can't eat them fast enough before they go bad. The Prolific paw paw doesn't seem to be much different from other seedlings. All the trees look the same. Now that my trees are well established, I don't have to irrigate much unless we have bad drought.

Sounds good!
Quick question - did you plant your trees in the fall or spring of the year?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tree for shallow soil?
« on: September 13, 2017, 03:26:02 PM »
Asimina triloba reportedly is one that is dependent on taproot.
However, some nurseries (e.g. Forest Keeling) growing them successfully in root-pruning pots with tiny taproot.

Seems like it wouldn't be a great candidate for your situation, but perhaps it would work.
One thing I've learned with plants is that there are very few absolutes.

As mentioned before, A. triloba does require chilling hours in the 32-40F range - it is definitely a temperate tree.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Category 4 Hurricane Irma
« on: September 13, 2017, 03:21:43 PM »
Still no power here. One tree at the end of the block is being held up by the power line. My street is the only one in the neighborhood without power. Power company basically said it is only affecting 14 homes so fuck off. We are at the end of the list to get fixed.

That's crazy. Hope they get their butts in gear ASAP.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Amazing Durian Year
« on: September 08, 2017, 07:09:26 PM »
Amazing - thanks for sharing. That's one tailgate party I'd die to attend!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw Farm sugestions
« on: September 07, 2017, 09:10:36 AM »
I'm going to be adding a few named varieties to my mini-orchard.
I have ordered Lehman's Chiffon (offered only by Hidden Springs Nursery, I believe), KSU-Atwood, and KSU-Benson.
I'll probably also get Maria's Joy, and either Tropical Treat or Overleese or Shenandoah or.....I dunno :)

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw Farm sugestions
« on: September 05, 2017, 06:08:29 PM »
I have several trees, some from wild, but my favorite is Rebecca's Gold, which is large yellow fruit and matures earlier than my other trees' Fruits. I used to hand pollinate but didn't the past two seasons and still get more pawpaws than I can deal with for fresh eating or making preserves before having to give them away before they go bad. Out of all my fruit trees, paw paw is the easiest to care for; bug, disease, pest free fruit trees.

Which other named varieties do you have (or have you tasted many times) that you are comparing to Rebecca's Gold?
Just curious which other cultivars it's "beating out" on your rating scale of best taste.

Also - how is the texture of your Rebecca's Gold? I can't be certain because I don't have it with me, but I thought I read that Rebecca's Gold got very soft and quickly at that. I prefer mango-firm texture in pawpaws if possible.



How sweet are they compared to ....well, whatever you want to compare it to? LOL

Also, how big is your tree?

I have considered planting one but having a hard time deciding between it and mulberry. I have a lot of other things with seasons that overlap Che, so mulberry is appealing since it's a spring fruit.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Stone Mulch in Temperate Climate?
« on: August 24, 2017, 06:34:03 PM »
The idea is based on the air well and isn't universally accepted.
It is a similar process to dew formation and depends to some extent on local conditions. Try a small pile and see if they gather moisture. Apart from that, stone prevents water evaporation from the soil surface by reducing exposed soil area and reducing surface air movement. Gravel works as a mulch and is easy to keep clear of debris with a rake or blower.

thanks for the link! I see in that article it mentions that the stone mulch idea possibly does not actually result in dew condensation but, as you stated, simply prevents water loss from the soil around.
I get plenty of rainfall in my area (on average) to probably worry about this. Just thick organic mulch is probably sufficient.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: August 24, 2017, 12:15:11 PM »
First fruit from local woods on 8/20.
Cut into one last was awful! LOL
Bitter and gamey....texture on the watery side. Spat it out and threw the rest away.
This was a good sized fruit and decent fleshiness, so it was disappointing.

Maybe others will be better - there are still several fruits on the trees.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw Farm sugestions
« on: August 23, 2017, 04:09:27 PM »
Just got two more trees: Susquehanna and Shenandoah! Collection is growing fast!  ;D

Susquehanna tastes awesome. Have not tried Shenandoah yet.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 Ohio Pawpaw Festival
« on: August 23, 2017, 04:07:12 PM »

If we both end up going for sure, we'll have to get in touch so we can meet up there! I've always wanted to meet members from the forum!:)

Yep! I'd say it's 95% that my wife and I will be there, so we should stay in touch!

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