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Wild crop this year isn't looking too shabby. Overall in the few patches I frequent, I would say production will be better than last year.

2 of 3 wild grafts I did this year seem to be successful, and I also tried planting some seeds in the woods for the first time.
Varmints dug up a lot of them, but as of a week or so ago, I had 2 successful sprouts coming up. I need to get some chicken wire or something around them if I really want to ensure their survival.

Also I have 2 grafts going strong using scions from 2 wild trees that I selected (1 is possibly a grafted tree of unknown variety). So that's kind of cool. Hope to plant them here in my "orchard" in the spring.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Malaysia Adventure
« on: July 13, 2018, 02:35:27 PM »
Hey Future,

If youíve never had the Musang King, I would highly recommend it. Itís the best tasting Durian Iíve ever eaten. They sell for $10 a pound here in the USA but they are frozen although the quality is exceptional. The MK Durian is sweet with a very slight bitterness that is very tasty. I have not purchased a Mornthong after eating the Musang King a few years ago.

As a Malaysian I have never eaten musang King and all the other named can always find good quality unnamed varieties if you know where to look or which tree that produces tasty fruits.besides a large unnamed variety can cost you only about 4 USD per fruit  or less at my hometown
Call me naive, but I was gonna say that the prices Future mentioned in Malaysia sound outrageous. I would hope fruit would be CHEAPER where itís grown versus importing to the other side of the world. Perhaps durianís fame (and a shrinking world) is to blame.
Simon - glad to know itís possible to get affordable durian there. Not that Iíll probably ever have the pleasure of visiting (though one of durianwriterís tours is on my bucket list)

I'm with you, Levar - i like rose flavor/fragrance a lot too.

Dot is excellent in my limited experience but did not detect rose.

I wasn't aware that some mangos possess rose notes so glad to know.

On a side note - i've been following a lot of these discussions lately and I find it interesting that the "hillbilly mango" - pawpaw - has some of the same flavor possibilities, though the breeding is far, far behind that of mango. There are pineapple-flavored varieties, coconut, spicy/cinnamon, etc. So I wonder if rose-flavored genetics are out there :)

Good luck with your trees, Levar.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Malaysia Adventure
« on: July 11, 2018, 12:34:41 PM »
We left Penang last week and yes it was loaded. In Kuching it is out of season.  Serian market was interesting. A pickup outside the market loaded with durian seemed to indicate jackpot. Huge bags filed with rambutan too. Alas, these were leaving the market for other points of sale. Most in he market by volume was unripe durian, sold for cooking. Likely from Indonesia. The few ripe we bought about half. And they were excellent. Premium priced but worth it. Bought several more on the drive back, also some of the best Iíve had.

In Singapore airport now. Mpire 717 opened a second shop 3 days ago. Now in terminal 2 and 3. Has golden Phoenix which was...amazing. Seeet durian. At $25 Singapore better be. This variety has malformed seeds and is nearly alll flesh  a winner.  Shop loaded with durian cakes, pastries etc.

Also, respect to VeganBurg restaurant downtime. Finally a vegan durian ice cream...

DROOOOOOOLLLLLL. wow that would be otherworldly for me. Thanks for the dreams LOL

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Malaysia Adventure
« on: July 11, 2018, 08:11:45 AM »
Durianwriter just published her durian guide to Penang. Check out at
If youíre in Penang you should be swimming in durian to hear her tell it.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Best time to relocate Fig?
« on: July 09, 2018, 03:08:36 PM »
Thanks! I did some more research and saw some references to avoiding fall due to concerns of cold sensitivity over that first winter. I figure itíd probably not matter especially with heavy mulch for protection, but it does seem like early spring before bud break could be safest option.
Not sure if figs actually have active roots over winter or not.
Some things, like pawpaw, go 100% dormant and thus have no advantage with fall planting

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Zill adventure Tuesday
« on: July 05, 2018, 03:49:23 PM »
I'm gonna have to stop reading these mango posts..........that, or make the 14-hour trip to SF to scarf some.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Best time to relocate Fig?
« on: July 04, 2018, 03:13:51 PM »
I have a fig in the ground since last April or May.....I want to move it to another spot.

Assuming the best time to do this would be the fall, once it's totally dormant, or perhaps late winter/early spring before it breaks bud.

Thoughts/advice/cautionary tales?  I've never moved a tree before, so any other general advice is appreciated.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting trees grown in Gritty Mix
« on: July 03, 2018, 06:38:54 AM »
what type of trees? generally you don't want to disturb the rootball like spaugh said you better off just putting into the  ground with the mix...the mix won't do it any harm if anything it might encourage  your tree to root out more.
Thanks! I can see what youíre saying.
These are asimina triloba (pawpaw) trees which, according to most literature, really donít like their roots disturbed.
Itís a hard call...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting trees grown in Gritty Mix
« on: July 02, 2018, 04:03:11 PM »
No need to remove the potting soil.  Would do more harm than good.
Even though itís gravel, Turface, and pine bark? Nothing even close to soil (except at a molecular level) LOL

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Planting trees grown in Gritty Mix
« on: July 02, 2018, 11:48:03 AM »
I have a couple potted trees that have been grown in Al's Gritty Mix.
I want to plant them in the ground - would there be issues just planting with whatever Mix remains intact around the roots, or should I estentially bare-root the plant?
I was concerned about the radical soil differential by having essentially gravel around the root ball and then native soil around, which has a fair amount of clay.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: July 02, 2018, 10:58:39 AM »
Nice looking, familyJ!
 Is that a hybrid? That looks almost exactly like my Iridescence and Casanova vines .....
Yes this is a hybrid i have 4 different hybrids i am currently growing and then the 2 normal's with one red fruit and the normal yellow
Cool! I have all green or yellowish green fruits. I hear P. caerulea has orange/red fruits when ripe but I believe theyíre inferior to incarnata.

Iíve been mourning the last couple days because one of my mature vines with several fruits seems to suddenly be dead - fruits and leaves shriveling up as if the vine had been cut. However, no sign of damage that I can find.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Stone fruits?
« on: July 02, 2018, 08:20:17 AM »
Come on people, if you want banner crops year in and year out, buy fruit at the store.  Fruit production is highly dependant on climate/weather.  Weather is what your trees will do from year to year will vary.  By the  "chop it down cause I didnt get a million fruit" theory, nobody would be growing fruits of any kind.

Oh, 3, 4 and even 5 year old trees, still in the juvenile stage.

Great reminder....i have to keep telling myself this. Growing fruit really challenges my perfectionist mindset (which is a good thing).

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: July 01, 2018, 04:21:41 PM »
Nice looking, familyJ!
 Is that a hybrid? That looks almost exactly like my Iridescence and Casanova vines .....

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: June 28, 2018, 05:25:24 PM »
Yep good point! I get lots of Gulf Fritillary visitors. Of course the larvae can decimate the vines so I have to be careful. I havenít paid a lot of attention in the past to the timing of their arrival but this year I havenít  seen any. Not sure if there are climatic reasons or just that itís too early. I suspect the latter.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: June 27, 2018, 02:20:15 PM »
Haven't shared any pics in a while so here are some shots of my maypop garden.
There are a total of 13 distinct vines on a 32-foot long "fence." It's made of 6 cedar posts sunk in concrete and 2 16-foot "cattle panels" which are galvanized wire of 4x4 inch grids.
To keep the the critters away, I have a 2-foot high chicken wire fence around the whole perimeter.

Production seems to be really good so far this year. Plus, I doubled my output by planting 8 new seedlings.

The vines by now have definitely gone AWOL, coming up outside of the fence-in area.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: June 26, 2018, 03:28:20 PM »
No, for me they can start to emerge in late March and are flowering by late May. I have a lot of sun where mine are planted.  The milder the winter the sooner they emerge.
The fish fertilizer i used I think was 5-1-1 which seems insufficient for flowering etc but when I used it, my seedlings flowered while still indoors before I could move them outside. This maybe been due to stress from root crowding because I failed to pot them up properly. But overall they seemed much happier than this year with chemical fert.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: June 26, 2018, 02:09:30 PM »
Thatís awesome! Nice job.
I would say here they start flowering in mid-May.
I have had mixed results trying to grow in pots. One year I had some that did ok and fruited, by this year theyíve done poorly. Though I will say I have not fertilized as I should. I found they respond well to fish emulsion/fertilizer. This year I used Miracle Gro All Purpose on the seedlings and they didnít seem to like it.
Also the more sun you give, the more flowers youíll have. They will not flower at all if too shady.

Iím currently interested in figuring out how to maximize fruiting via pruning or training. I have a theory that if you can train to a single runner, this is ideal. Wondering if pruning all side growth from leaf axils will help further or harm. I waited too late to try training a long runner but am trying to keep most side growth pruned over the last couple weeks.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw questions.
« on: June 19, 2018, 05:57:10 PM »
Triloba Tracker,

I looked at the chill hour chart here:

My area (Kern County) has above 800. I'm more worried about the hot dry wind. I'll plant them in a sheltered area.



Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw questions.
« on: June 19, 2018, 03:46:45 PM »
Thanks Triloba Tracker,
Much appreciated!

Sure thing! 2 cents, worth every bit of what you paid fer 'em.

I would say of course, one of your issues in Zone 10 may be chill hours. If memory serves, most sources say 400 hours minimum for pawpaw.
I'm not convinced the tree itself needs it, but for fruit it probably does.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw questions.
« on: June 19, 2018, 09:23:10 AM »

I wish I had direct experience to be able to give you better advice. However, all I can do is offer what i've read or heard:

1) I have heard of folks, specifically in California, growing pawpaws in pots. I think most rules around growing trees in pots would apply to pawpaws. Namely, you might want some kind of root-pruning setup, either air-pruning or using a coating like Microkote. Also, pawpaws have a strong taproot and in nurseries are most commonly grown in 14-inch deep pots (though some like Forest Keeling use air-pruning pots for a shallow taproot). Just something to be aware of. Hale and Hines nursery here in Tennessee sells really really big containerized pawpaws, and I believe theirs fruit with no problems. However, pawpaws are generally not mentioned in context of container growing.

2) I think you would be fine to plant 2 in a large hole. I have read references to this with pawpaws. In the wild, they grow in pretty dense patches.

3) I have been advised that mounds are not ideal for pawpaws, but who knows. As for clay, most sources say pawpaws like a looser soil with lots of organic matter (don't amend the planting hole of course). But that's probably just something that gets copied and pasted. I have some clay (not sure how it would rank on a clay "scale") and the trees i planted a few months ago seem ok. Of course, it's very early.

Not a lot of authoritative info there but maybe something to chew on. Good luck!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2018 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: June 18, 2018, 09:10:00 PM »
Infortunately all my small ruits falled. Too much cold and rain i think, but i was happy to see that my tree started to get polinated flowers.
Sorry, Luis!
Glad youíre finding the positives.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2018 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: June 18, 2018, 12:59:26 PM »
Great news, Luis!

So back to the wild crop updates...... despite the wacky and cold spring weather, looks like the wild crop will actually be pretty good this year.
Look at these gorgeous clusters!

I did 3 grafts in the wild this year and so far they're looking really good. Only 3 of my previous years' grafts have survived: PA Golden, Taytwo, and Wells. This year I grafted Mango, NC-1, and Rebecca's Gold.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Fig not really fruiting?
« on: June 18, 2018, 12:57:00 PM »
Many common figs produce two crops, the breba (or early crop) and the main crop. Brebas are produced on older wood while main crop figs are produced by new growth.  There are quite a few people whose figs die back each winter, but manage to produce a main crop.  I'm not sure if Celeste is one of the varieties that can do this up North.  Chicago Hardy is a variety that can often do this.

I'm in SoCal and my figs are just popping out main crop figs. You can check out the OurFigs forum for better information, it's filled with true experts, many who live in your neck of the woods.

Best of luck.

Thanks! I have joined OurFigs and posted the question there. Got some good responses.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Fig not really fruiting?
« on: June 13, 2018, 11:45:58 AM »
I bought and planted a 2-gallon Celeste (supposedly) fig last April. It grew fine, but it dropped the fruits that it formed when they were about marble-sized.
We had a pretty brutal winter and very cold April. I did cover the tree totally in leaves to try to protect it, but there was still some bark cracking due to the cold.

It has put on some new growth from last year's shoots, but mostly it has sent up several new shoots from the base. They're about 3-feet tall now. Tree looks very healthy.

however, there are no fruits forming on the new shoots from the base, and only a few from the new growth originating from last year's wood.

Is this typical?

Maybe the new basal shoots just need a few more weeks to form fruits, or....?

Help from y'all who are experienced would be greatly appreciated.

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