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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pawpaw inquiry
« on: Today at 07:37:00 PM »
Roger that.
I'm definitely obsessed with pawpaws, possibly to an unhealthy level, but it's not solely because the fruit tastes good. It's a more complex relationship  ;D
One of the main attractions, though, is the fact that it's a "tropical" fruit that grows in a wide range of temperate conditions.

But in my opinion the taste/fruit quality is not as good as its cousins.
I've eaten all the major Annona fruits except Annona reticulata (custard apple), and this is how I would rank everything:
Cherimoya
Atemoya
Pawpaw
Sugar Apple
Guanabana
Rollinia/Biriba

Pawpaw could possibly be #2. So maybe i have slightly contradicted my previous statement but still cherimoya is on top.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pawpaw inquiry
« on: Today at 05:24:26 PM »
If I had to pick between pawpaw and cherimoya, i would grow cherimoya (or atemoya or sugar apple).
Pawpaw is cool but for me not up to the tropical annonas.

Though the more I eat, the more I like pawpaw...

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pawpaw inquiry
« on: Today at 01:59:32 PM »
More on flavor - (my favorite topic)
Sometimes you may get a ripe melon taste in a pawpaw. KSU Chappell that Iíve tasted had a distinct pineapple aspect, perfectly balanced with the aforementioned caramel flavor. Some folks have reported coconut flavors though I have not encountered this yet. Some have even compared to durian, and I have definitely encountered this, in a KSU trial variety.
This brings me to the point that flavor is highly variable. From year to year and even from cluster to cluster on the same tree. Ripeness when picked of course makes a difference too.

But in general the flavor (at least prior to the caramel phase) is just ďpawpawĒ

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pawpaw inquiry
« on: Today at 01:36:55 PM »
Glad to hear of your interest in pawpaw!
Itís a really cool fruit and a pretty tree.

1) they need hot summers and moderate winters. Not sure about your area but clearly theyíre not native. Though at least one guy is growing in Utah or Arizona- I cant remember.  Documentation suggests minimum 400 chill hours (below 40F). There is a Purdue PDF out there that talks about heat requirements -I wonít repeat here.
2) Peterson Pawpaws varieties are often considered the best. KSU cultivars are good. Brand new KSU Chappell is best Iíve tasted. Overleese, Sunflower, NC-1 are older but tried and true varieties. There are lots of others but not widely available. Thereís even one called Mango but Iíve never tasted.
As far as flavor - I get a little tired of the banana +mango comparison because in my opinion pawpaws donít taste like either. I think the mango/banana is coming from the fact that itís a ďtropicalĒ flavor and that really it is very unique if not totally singular in the fruit world. There is no acidity or tartness, which is partly why ďmangoĒ doesnít ring true for me. The other awesome thing is that after several days off the tree, the flavor changes to caramel/butterscotch. To me this is when theyíre best. Almost like a flan or caramel custard. A great pawpaw will have the wonderful texture of a perfect fiberless mango. Some varieties are softer, however (e.g. Rebeccaís Gold).
3) pawpaw is definitely not a tree youíd associate with container culture but I think a savvy gardener could maybe pull it off. I donít think youíll find much literature about how to grow them in pots though. Some nurseries sell 15 and 30 gallon pawpaws so I guess itís possible.
4) I may have some seeds in spring so PM me then and we can see.

Cheers!

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Annonaceae that are temperate
« on: October 16, 2018, 04:09:12 PM »
What u got up your sleeve?

I wasn't aware of any temperate annonaceae genera other than Asimina but I'm no expert whatsoever. As vast as the plant kingdom is, i'm likely to be overlooking a lot.

Now, we have some North American native Annona species like Annona glabra but of course it's not temperate (nor desirable for fruit).

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Cool, thanks for sharing!

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KarenRei, any word back from KSU?

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Leaf Scorch?
« on: October 06, 2018, 12:20:40 PM »
I'd think the leaves would be lighter green if they were getting excessive sun.
Right - so what Iím calling scorch is not an overdose of UV but mostly due to inadequate water movement caused by poor root system. It manifests in hot dry weather.

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Sheri is great....Sometimes it can take a bit for a response due to her workload.

There are some cultivars selected in cooler US areas like Michigan and even some from Ontario (I think NC-1?).
Then i guess there are early season cultivars that may require fewer "heat-units"
If I recall correctly I think KSU-Benson is considered early. If you check out nuttrees.net (Cliff England Nursery) he has some varieties that he describes as very early.

Cheers!

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You could peruse the KSU website for additional info (sometimes I find the stuff on sfgate to be dubious) but you're probably right.

That's a shame, since it's such a cool plant and fruit. It's really unique compared to the other commonly-grown Annonas.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Leaf Scorch?
« on: October 03, 2018, 04:01:43 PM »
No, no ferts in my case but research Iíve done does associate this symptom with fertilizer burn.
Iím convinced itís scorch.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: October 01, 2018, 09:35:25 AM »
I am excited nonetheless. Passion fruit and Switzerland aren't two words that usually go toghether.

Absolutely!! Thatís how I feel about growing them here - the only way I can get passion fruit in a reasonable fashion. (Even though maypop is native here, most people donít know about it.)

Congrats on your first fruits. Yes - After a couple or 3 days the fruit begins tasting off. Tropical hybrids like Iridescence are an exception to this.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: September 30, 2018, 04:24:08 PM »
I assume you already have at least one other Passiflora,or you wouldnít have had fruit at all?
I believe to have good fruit set and fruits that arenít hollow, you need multiple vines of different genotypes.
You can also hand-pollinate to increase pulp in the fruits.

It appears from the picture that the fruit was not quite ready. When fully ripe most pulp will have at least some yellow coloration, and the seed sacs will be softer.

I believe the only time fruit should be picked is if it has a clear fruity aroma. Otherwise itís too soon. I let mine drop always but I have a fence to keep our animals.

Very excited for you though! Thank you for sharing. Were these your first fruits?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Broken taproot: better roots
« on: September 25, 2018, 05:58:21 PM »
I disagree to the common opinion here.
It depends a lot on the plant.
There are some plants that get severely stunted if are not allowed to grow the taproot, it's especially true for plants that grow the taproot quickly (some even before sprouting), like jackfruit for example.

Yes, Asimina triloba sends out long taproot, 14 inches or longer, before shoot appears.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Passiflora arida - Desert Passionfruit
« on: September 25, 2018, 05:56:18 PM »
sure it's all good!

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Passiflora arida - Desert Passionfruit
« on: September 25, 2018, 02:31:26 PM »
Are we allowed to put phone numbers on this forum?

I would advise against that.
Instead Send a ďmessageĒ via the Forum directly to the users who are requesting the personís contact info.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Broken taproot: better roots
« on: September 25, 2018, 01:00:33 PM »
I'm interested in this discussion because there are some, e.g. Bill Whitcomb, who declare all taproots to be bad, even for trees eventually to be planted in the ground.

However, many nurserymen recognize that certain trees have "strong" taproots and grow them in tall pots to intentionally accommodate the root. Pawpaw (Asimina triloba) is an example, but there are others.

It seems to me that if the tree's natural habit is to produce a deep taproot, it should be allowed to do so IF you plan to plant it in the ground eventually.

I could see the argument for inhibiting taproot growth if it will be in a pot long-term.

Would be interested in hearing more about this, as i'm not much of an expert to say the least.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Leaf Scorch?
« on: September 24, 2018, 04:59:15 PM »
Are the following pictures indicative of ďleaf scorch?Ē
These are young trees that for most of the summer I fear had wet feet causing a weak root system.
I exposed the soil around the trees to aid in drying. We then have had quite hot, dry, and windy weather.

Iím thinking this is the perfect setup for leaf scorch.

Thoughts?






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Leaf Scorch?
« on: September 23, 2018, 10:29:29 PM »
Are the following pictures indicative of ďleaf scorch?Ē
These are young trees that for most of the summer I fear had wet feet causing a weak root system.
I exposed the soil around the trees to aid in drying. We then have had quite hot, dry, and windy weather.

Iím thinking this is the perfect setup for leaf scorch.

Thoughts?






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It's great someone is interested in these species,
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess to get them growing around Europe and fruit production?
I'm pretty sure monetary gain is out of the question.
Iím guilty of tunnel vision around A. triloba - I donít know anything about these others. I wouldíve thought their fruit are undesirable or else theyíd be more widely cultivated.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Passiflora arida - Desert Passionfruit
« on: September 21, 2018, 05:26:06 PM »
Is this cold hardy?

I ask because:
1) i might want to grow it
2) this is the Temperate, not Tropical, part of the forum  ;D

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what are your goals with the other Asimina species?

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya/Pawpaw hybrid
« on: September 19, 2018, 06:15:24 PM »
That's awesome!

yes feel free to send me a message.. also it might be nice to hear about your pawpaws, in general, over on the "asiminaholics anonymous" thread...

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya/Pawpaw hybrid
« on: September 19, 2018, 05:29:27 PM »
I agree and all excellent points!
Great pictures.

How long have you been growing pawpaw? Would like to hear more about your trees, etc

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya/Pawpaw hybrid
« on: September 19, 2018, 12:10:27 PM »

4) i think a comparison of seed-to-flesh ratio of pawpaw and cherimoya would be interesting. Pawpaw is considered pretty "seedy" except for a few varieties particularly from Neal Peterson. Cherimoyas do have a lot of seeds, in a sense, but they are small and easily avoided. Pawpaw seeds are a little more annoying.

Take care!!

It's funny because it is all relative. After eating lots of sugar apples that have *tons* of seeds, I don't think cherimoyas are all that seedy! It all depends on your basis of view :)

Agree!
Thatís why seed to weight/flesh ratios would be interesting to compare.
For example Neal Petersonís Susquehanna pawpaw he reports only 3% seed by total weight. Thatís considered very low (good).

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