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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Inga Vulpina Impostor
« on: November 20, 2018, 07:20:44 AM »
I've picked up some nice plants off eBay that were not available elsewhere. It is always a gamble, but sometimes is a decent option if you can't find what you are looking for elsewhere. 7_heads has some nice plants, but tends to be overpriced. Picked up a few plants from him over the years that appear to be accurately labeled. Contact him and see if he will make it right.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangosteen Advice Thread
« on: November 20, 2018, 07:16:00 AM »
Yes Kada, a tree on a mound will be a bit more vulnerable. However, wind is a lower concern of mine. Even when we've had tropical storm and hurricane force winds (cat 1) cutting through, everything survived. Some taller trees were bent over, the shorter ones were mostly below the ripsaw of wind. Will do what I can to provide extra protection and support, but will just have to roll the dice.

As long as the neighboring trees are taller, I think it will be fine. It is in a nice little clearing, surrounded by wind breaks in all directions.

Won't let it get too tall, and will trim more if a bad storm is approaching.

This is a fun experiment. While eventual failure is quite possible, having a good time with the project.

Thank you everyone for the thoughtful posts and info! All of this helps a lot.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangosteen Advice Thread
« on: November 19, 2018, 04:30:06 PM »
Thank you Skhan and Dwfl. 

I agree, changing out the soil around the hole would be beneficial. I like the idea of a mound around the area as well.

As for the weather during cold spells, your plan should work well dwfl. I could devise a makeshift green house just by laying plastic over the neighboring plants and mangosteen. It has already tolerated temps in the hi 30's without showing stress, but keeping it warmer would certainly be better. 

I want to put a sprinkler right next to it, to keep moist/humid but also to keep warmer on cold nights. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Multigraft Annona harvest
« on: November 19, 2018, 02:34:40 PM »

How long from graft to fruit?

Please let us know about the flavor and other differences. Wondering which varieties taste best in FL.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangosteen Advice Thread
« on: November 19, 2018, 09:41:21 AM »
Thanks SoCal2warm! All of that is very helpful. Going to get the jackhammer back out here and see if we can get down to 3 feet. Plan on building up a mound and elevating the tree about 1 -2 feet

Will line the sides, and make amendments as recommended.

I like the banana tree idea. Have a nice sized mysore in a pot that's begging to go in-ground. It will also be surrounded by jaboticaba, carambola, surinam cherry, and passion vines.

While the tree has been getting some direct sunlight, it is probably 4 hours or less.

One citation showed trees "flourished" with annual rainfall of over 105 inches, and good soil. Going to try to mimic this; create a misty rainforest environment.

Know my chances aren't great in terms of getting it to fruit. It is fun growing, and is the prettiest tree of all the garcinias I have. If it fruits sometime in the future that will be a bonus. Kind of like playing the fruit lottery.

More ideas please!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mangosteen Advice Thread
« on: November 17, 2018, 02:04:17 PM »
I'm looking for some ideas on how to proceed with my mangosteen project. Since South FL soil is full of limestone (pic below shows just how bad. It is solid limestone at the bottom of that hole, had to use a jackhammer to get that deep), I was thinking of creating suitable soil, and then placing the plant above the amended soil, on a raised mound secured by rootsaver pots that will be attached to one another.

Just had this hole dug. Thinking I should line it. The hole is roughly 43 inches diameter by 2 feet deep. Calculates to a little over 150 gallons.

How should I line it? Should I leave holes for drainage? Are there any liners with copper in them, and if so, are they safe to use?

Also, any advice on soil composition is appreciated. "deep rich organic soil, especially sandy loam or laterite" is recommended on the site. How might I achieve such soil?

Here is a pic of the tree

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eggs deposited in bark...
« on: November 16, 2018, 08:46:43 AM »
I would trim that part off, place the cut end in a cup with moist paper towel, and then place in something like a small butterfly enclosure, and seal it up well. Then, see what hatches out of those eggs. You likely have more of them around, could be beneficial to figure out what they are. 

Mangosteen has been fruited in the pavilion of Fairchild Tropical Botanical Gardens, but I would consider that in the same category as a greenhouse. It is well protected, and could easily be more sheltered more from cold dry winds if need be.

I'm going to give it a good try here south of Miami. Could be wrong, but our alkaline soil worries me more than the cold. My tree did well with our lows last year (high 30's). Landscaper is supposed to dig a big hole tomorrow, and I will plant after laying down a liner and filling with choice soil. Prepared to cover and protect the tree if need be, but the location already constitutes a nice little micro climate. 

You mangosteen looks pretty good Frank. Surprised it's doing so well, being in Cali. Seems a humid and warm protected environment would be needed to eventually get fruit.   

I'm interested in scions as well. Any idea when is the best time to of year to graft?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help jaboticaba losing foliage.
« on: November 11, 2018, 01:57:08 PM »
Jabos like shade and lots of water. Looks like it is getting toasted.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pics from the garden
« on: November 09, 2018, 04:24:56 PM »
Thanks and Thanks Tang Tonic!

A type of hibiscus sounds about right, as I have planted some different hibiscus seeds in the past. Wondered if they were some kind of beans as well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pics from the garden
« on: November 09, 2018, 10:12:11 AM »
Silas Woods sap. Lots of fruit currently growing, one almost ripe. Checking daily.

Passion Vine Alley. 5 vines intermingled. Not even sure which fruit is from which vine.

Curry Tree

Jak seedling, with grafts of pineapple jak, red, and gold excalibur.

Mystery plant, what is this? Not sure if it is a fruit tree or just a hitchhiker. Any ideas?

Seedling from Red Lady. Packed!

Denizen of the garden, devourer of hibiscus

Ponderosa Lemon. This one's only just over a pound


Today's harvest

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pics from the garden
« on: November 09, 2018, 10:03:28 AM »
Hello All. Time to share some updates from the garden...

Guanabana, covered in flowers and setting fruit.

Guanabana flowers. Question: My guess is that hand pollination of guanabana is done after the outer flower shell drops, as in the 2nd and 3rd pics below. Is this correct?

Corrongo Caimito

Caimito tree's first fruit. Over a dozen fruits are growing nicely, perhaps much more. Hard to tell how many.

Lemon Drop Mangosteen


Seashore Mangosteen

Luc's Garcinia. She's small, but know's karate!

Purple Mangosteen. Diggin a 3+ feet deep by 4 feet wide hole next week, and will perhaps line the hole and fill with soil that is not alkaline. Going to build a mound on top and support with Root Saver pot panels attached to each other. My hope is to overcome the limestone soil issues that purple mangosteen suffer.  Any critiques, advice, or additional ideas?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Today’s Harvest from the orchard
« on: November 06, 2018, 04:19:25 PM »
The Sugar Dragon you sent me Brad is the best df I've tasted. Waiting on AB, so time will tell.

Updated price on DS dragons, $15 for a nice potted plant. Well rooted long time. Will fruit way sooner than cuttings.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: wanted:Abiu tree, south florida
« on: November 05, 2018, 09:46:25 AM »
Mike at Trees N More might have abiu. PIN has them sometimes as well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Will Garcinia Cambogia grow in Florida?
« on: November 04, 2018, 05:43:11 PM »
You can grow some garcinias and even fruit them in FL.

g. intermedia and Mexican mangosteen both have been fruited in FL, I think g. humilis too. Pretty sure all 3 and others will fruit here.

Think g. cambogia is rated for zones 10 and 11, so might need some cold protection. A grafted tree would fruit much quicker. On the other hand, the garcinias listed above are tastier and will probably grow better for you.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nursery Pot Sources
« on: October 30, 2018, 10:51:42 PM »
My landscaper was able to bring me a bunch of different sizes, up to 15 gallon, for free.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Where to get best deal on 0-0-50
« on: October 30, 2018, 10:09:17 PM »
Adding K alone can result in a Ca and Mg deficiency, depending on the soil. Richard Campbell recommends 0-0-50. However, he's growing on very (very) calcareous soil. You're much better off applying a full nutrient package, unless you happen to live in Homestead. One year, I gave a healthy dose of K to my mangoes (without Ca), and jelly seed was off the charts.

The higher price for online ag products I was referring to excludes shipping cost. Margin is simply a lot higher for online ag suppliers, as they don't really cater to large scale growers.

Helena is one of the best deals around if you're close enough to get it delivered.

Hey Jeff.

So, I'm guessing 0 0 50 might be good for my mangoes, as I'm just a few miles from Homestead, closer to the coast. Soil is rocky, with lots of limestone. What do you think?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Discovered Some Visitors
« on: October 30, 2018, 09:33:30 PM »
Cool bees!

I share your appreciation and respect for our busy little friends.

You can really show em some love by purchasing a honey producing bee condo like one of these:

You can't tell from the pics, but these df plants are large, one is 5.5 feet tall, the other 6 feet or more. Could take several cuttings from each. Well rooted and established.

Also, have a couple of small curry trees for sale. $10 - 20 depending on size.

Lemon grass plants. $5 - 10 (east and west Indian).


I have 2 Dark Star dragon fruit plants for sale. Getting quite large. $15 each, no shipping/local pickup only. PM if interested.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Today’s Harvest from the orchard
« on: October 28, 2018, 10:36:47 AM »
amazing. I picked one measly passionfruit yesterday, lol

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are these starfruit seedlings?
« on: October 28, 2018, 09:56:50 AM »
starfruit seeds are small. You can see the larger seeds on the sprouts you pulled up. Looks like little oak seedlings to me

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