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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Bakuri seed prep (Platonia insignis)
« on: December 04, 2017, 02:19:43 PM »
I've got a question I am directing to Oscar of FL but others may have the same question so I decided to post here.  The seed packet has instructions to "first soak seeds in distilled alcohol for 10 minutes".  I am assuming that this is ethanol ("drinking alcohol") not isopropanol or methanol.  I also assume that denatured alcohol would not be appropriate.  What percentage / proof should be used?  Could a relatively neutral high proof spirit like vodka be used?  (I can think of good ways to use the left over alcohol in that case.  :) )

Thanks,
John

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Tropical Fruit Online Library / Monkey colas
« on: November 20, 2017, 01:48:59 PM »
Info on some monkey colas, where the aril is eaten instead of the nut:

http://www.journalrepository.org/media/journals/ARRB_32/2014/Mar/Ogbu4122013ARRB8066_1.pdf

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An interesting article on a Puerto Rican Eugenia, also includes a key to identify Eugenias in PR & Virgin Islands

https://homes.bio.psu.edu/people/faculty/tac17/Site/Caraballo_files/Euenia%20fajardensis%202014.pdf

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Annona paludosa
« on: July 09, 2017, 01:08:00 PM »
Anyone fruit this yet?  Just wondering how you know when fruits are ripe on this one.  I assume they perhaps start to yellow a bit?  It looks like they get to about the size of a large strawberry or perhaps a bit larger.  Since it is often compared to a small soursop, I assume you pick when still a bit under-ripe & allow to ripen on the countertop?
Any advice is welcomed.

John

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Citrus General Discussion / Budd blood orange
« on: April 05, 2017, 02:58:08 PM »
I don't recall hearing of this one earlier, does anyone know anything about it?  How does it compare to better known blood oranges?  Does it require less chill to develop good color (it supposedly originated in FL)?

Here is info on it from a nursery:
http://www.justfruitsandexotics.com/JFE/product/budd-blood-orange-trees/?

John

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I figured I should list this here, since people may not find it in the general discussion forum.  Paul Noren's presentation from Kona (Dec 2016).

https://youtu.be/jKQz26iGQwM

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Zevelu - Diospyros mannii
« on: December 19, 2016, 10:36:52 PM »
This fruit sounded very intriguing (& very good) in the Congo Native Fruits book.  However, reports I had seen since from Aus gave it bad reviews.  Paul Noren reports he has never tasted a worthwhile zevelu, however, Roy Danforth did have some exceptionally good ones at one point.  So, it sounds like this is a high risk fruit if you get seeds.

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Panda oleosa
« on: December 19, 2016, 10:33:21 PM »
This fruit sounded interesting in the Congo Native Fruits book but Danforth & Noren indicated that they did not know how to germinate these seeds.  There is now an update to this, the seeds require no special germination procedure but may take 8 yrs or so to germinate.

John

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Citrus General Discussion / sweet lime
« on: November 26, 2016, 10:49:58 PM »
Just wondering, do sweet lime cultivars come true from seed?

John

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Hawaii Tropical Fruit Growers, Hilo is pleased to announce our Dec speaker will be Paul Noren who, along with fellow missionary Roy Danforth, have published two books on central African fruits, contributed to the Lost Crops of Africa books, and written a number of articles for rare fruit societies and periodicals.  Paul continues to work in the Congo while Roy now works in the Central Africa Republic and both also work in Cameroon.

The Hilo meeting details are:
Wed., Dec 14, 6-8:30 pm
Komohana Research & Extension Station / CTAHR UH-Hilo
Room D202
875 Komohana St.
Hilo

for more information, contact HTFGEastHawaii@mail.com

A presentation in the Kona area will also be announced.

Paul's work was previously discussed here:
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=2888.0







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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / HTFG Seed & Scion Swap -- Puna
« on: October 29, 2016, 05:32:18 PM »
Hawaii Tropical Fruit Growers is sponsoring a Seed & Scion Swap at the Leilani Community Center, 13-3441 Moku St., Pahoa from 10 am to 2 pm on Sun Nov 20.  Come to buy, sell, or swap your plants, seeds, cuttings, & scions with other big island growers.  Please be sure all plant material is labeled!  There will be pot luck pupus to share.  FREE.  Come have fun with us!  E komo mai!
For more information: HTFGEastHawaii@mail.com or (808) 783-1498



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / East HI seed / scion swap (HTFG)
« on: October 12, 2016, 01:58:45 PM »
We have just set a date for a seed / scion / plant swap & sale for Hawaii Tropical Fruit Growers in east HI.  FREE event

Date Nov 20, 10 am - 2 pm
Leilani Community Center
13-3441 Moku St., Pahoa

Feel free to bring any plant material but please try to be sure to label it.

There will be potluck pupus.

See attached poster for details & map.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Salak presentation at HTFG, Hilo
« on: October 10, 2016, 06:17:05 PM »
Just a notice to any big island growers, I will be doing a presentation on salak & my recent visit to Indonesia at the next Hawaii Tropical Fruit Growers meeting in Hilo on October 31st from 6-8 pm. 
Komohana Research & Extension Station  / CTAHR, UH-Hilo Room D202
875 Komohana St.
Hilo
HTFGEastHawaii@mail.com
(808) 783-1498

John



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Ornamental Mango Cultivars
« on: September 29, 2016, 10:47:42 PM »
I was curious about something so I thought I would throw it out to all you mango fanatics -- what cultivars of mango (Mangifera indica) have ornamental value (brilliant red new growth, not pretty fruit)?   I have not seen this on any of the mango cultivars I currently have but some rootstocks I have (from store bought mangoes) have decent color on new growth and some of the "wild mango" species (odorata, lalijiwa, kasturi)  I have have gorgeous blood red color that last for at least a couple of weeks.  I'm guessing some of the indica cultivars must have nice color as well.  Comments?

Thanks!
John

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Patrick Merritt of Merritt Cacao Farm & president of East Hawaii Cacao Association will give a presentation on cacao & its cultivation at the August meeting of Hawaii Tropical Fruit Growers in Hilo. The presentation is FREE & general public is welcome!
August 30, 6-8 pm
Mokupapapa Discovery Center, Koehnen Building (corner of Waianuenue & Kamehameha), Hilo
For additional info: 808-783-1498, HTFGEastHawaii@mail.com

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Tropical Storm Darby
« on: July 24, 2016, 05:53:44 PM »
Just wondering how the big island growers fared with the tropical storm?  It was an anti-climax here (just outside of Hilo) -- kept waiting for it to get really windy & then it was gone ...

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Clarification on some GRIN mangoes
« on: July 13, 2016, 04:06:51 PM »
Is MIA-36825, Val x Carrie, the same as Valcarrie?  (I have not heard of a "Val" so I am assuming that this is shorthand for Valencia Pride)

Is MIA-36848, Edward x Grey, the same as Edgar?  (I have not seen a "Grey" so I am assuming that this might be Gary)
 I know even if it is the same parentage, it is not necessarily the same clone -- just trying to confirm if they are.

Thanks for any help!
John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Visit to Selat / Sibetan, Bali
« on: July 07, 2016, 08:07:22 PM »
Ok, this is part two of my search for salak (previous posting about Sleman, Java).  I again arranged for a private car & driver and told the driver that I wanted to visit the market / farms in the Sibetan area.  From my research, I knew that there were probably in excess of 20 varieties of the Bali salak, Salacca zalacca ssp. amboinensis in this area.  This was to be our first stop to guarantee success.  We got there at about 9:30 - 10 am and found the market completely empty -- it was over and the vendors had already left.  I told the driver that was Bali's salak capital and that there had to be farms around and I wanted to visit one.  The driver didn't seem to know anything about it and basically told me I was wrong.  He made a feeble attempt by visiting an ornamental plant nursery & asking there and then reported back that there was nothing in the area.  So I grudgingly went on with the sightseeing portion of the trip.

I checked my files & the internet when I got back to the hotel.  We had another day scheduled with this same driver so I sent him the information & told him we WOULD visit the farms the next day, non-negotiable.  He now figured out where the farms were and said he knew the area.  It was in Selat in the Sibetan region.  Upon reaching the area, I had him stop at the first farm stand we came across to insure that we did not get "skunked" again.  The had "Bali" salak and Gula Pasir (I was never able to find out exactly what Bali salak is -- I think it is like the modern day Hawaiian expression "poi dog" -- a mutt of uncertain lineage.)  I bought 1/2 kg of Gula Pasir for 30,000 (about $2.25).  The fruit was very sweet and "fruity".

We arrived at the farm in the article, Agro Abian Salak.  It would have been easy to miss -- it was located high above the road with a pathway leading up to it.  The farmer was a very inventive guy.  He grows about 12 or so varieties and made salak coffee from the seed, salak tea from the skin, dried salak chips, salak honey, & salak vinegar.  We toured his nursery & got to try 4 or 5 different varieties.  Unfortunately, he only had enough of one, nenas (also spelled nanas) to sell us.  I got a kg for 20,000 (about $1.50).  I will post further about the tasting and some of the varieties he has on his farm.

Pics below:
- the farm, high above the street
- some of the products he produces
- a couple of pics of the farmer & his plants -- AWAS! (caution) lots of sharp thorns
- a close up of a Balinese salak -- these have tiny spines on them -- I did not notice these on the Javans, unless they had been cleaned off on those









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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Visit to Sleman, Java
« on: July 06, 2016, 02:00:53 PM »
I persuaded by wife to let me make some brief detours for fruit exploration on our recent trip to Indonesia.  We stopped at some salak stalls in Sleman on the way to Borobudur (on the main road).  They had 3 varieties available* -- pondoh super, gading, and madu.  For some reason, I mistakenly thought I already had madu (but it was miri -- DAMN!) so I did not try that one.  I got 1/2 kg each of pondoh super and gading -- that set me back 23,000 idr (or about $1.75!).  I didn't catch the price of the pondoh super but the gading went for 25,000 / kg. 
*From my research, it appeared that there should be at least 16 varieties of salak in the area, with 5 of those being various varieties of pondoh.

My recollection is that the pondoh super was sweet and the skin was dark colored and it had a pointed top.  It was a bit smaller than the gading.  The gading (means "ivory") was sweet with some sour aspect and a little astringent.  The fruits were large and had a light tan or "ivory" color; they also had a blunt top.  The gading was good but would have seemed better if we had not tried the pondoh super first.  The pondoh super fruit all yielded 3 seeds (although one had two normal seeds & 1 small seed) for a total of 26 seeds from 1/2 kg (& the one we sampled).  The gading had a few with 3 seeds but most had two seeds (1 only had one seed) for 17 seeds total from the 1/2 kg (& the one we sampled).

We had the same driver booked when leaving Borobudur.  He mentioned we could stop at one of the salak farms on the way for sightseeing up by Mt. Merapi.  For this trip, we left the main road from Borobudur to Jogja and took a smaller road up towards the mountain.  We passed many farms with farm stands out front but I assumed he was taking us to a special farm.  Finally after passing one that appeared to have quite a variety of salak.  I told him to stop at the next stand.  There were no more -- I am kicking myself that I did not insist we turn around & go back.  I was not too upset at the time since I was also planning on visiting salak country in Bali & the Balinese salak are monoecious rather than dioececious like their Javan cousins.  I will post on that misadventure later.

I was very disappointed by fruit stalls I visited at market -- none seemed to have anything we do not have in HI -- I guess it was the wrong season or I needed to try a market in a smaller town.

I have attached a few pics from the trip below:
- the salak stalls along the main Jogja-Borobudur road (those baskets all have salak in them)
- a comparison of pondoh super (L) & gading (R)
- a salak being peeled by my wife (for those unfamiliar with "snake fruit")
- a pic of a whole salak, one partially peeled, and a seed -- all of pondoh super

John









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