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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Papaya question
« on: March 17, 2018, 09:59:16 PM »
I bet it is yellow fleshed,female and in climate a little too cool in winter.The unpleasant almost hydrocarbon taint is referred to as nasturtium. It is more prevalent in some lines. If someones' first papaya taste is one like that instead of a hermie red of say a solo type grown in nice warm Hawaii it might be the last time the person eats papaya.
Make sure the tree has excess Mg and potash and see if the fruit get better.

Sorry didn't finish that post.The sibabat band black one obviously are the better types and have real commercial potential if they are productive enough.

Look at one report from 1981
Native bulala can be found in the Philippine mountains, but the fruit is poor. It is, however, used by most propagators as root stock for pulasan because of its strong growth. The introduced pulasan is of a very fine quality, and many who have tasted the fruit consider it superior to that of the Chinese litchi.
The pulasan is a tree that will adapt from sea level to some 300 metres. In fact, in Jakarta, they are raised between 230 and 300 metres above Sea level. It prefers a well-distributed rainfall and is more resistant to drought than the rambutan.
The first imports to the Philippines were from Indonesia in 1912 and were grown from seed. However, the more successful pulasan was introduced as a budded plant, but its variety is not known. The fruit are of very fine quality, and it is suspected that it is of the sibabat variety. Some of the commercial varieties in Indonesia are koeneng, merah, poetih and sibabat.

The Kamerung varieties from the 1970s were,
Pulasan varieties: Dow, Lee, P1, P3, P36, Sibabat, Unnamed
There were others that were brought in the 1980s.

Oscar lets not dwell on the past.I think I must have been influenced by the opinion of others as well. The varieties planted at the Kamerunga fruit station (government fruit evaluation facility)that I sampled included inferior types.Their original recommendation was not to go commercial with pulasan. Some of those have subsequently been reclassified as a different species and some other N.mutabile are not as good. A large green one and one I think referred to as variety Low was good. Anyway the sibabat/seebabat and the black ones that are almost the same.

Its all a bit hazy now Oscar but I did genuinely line them up and consume them together before and came to that conclusion at the time. I don't know if the fruit have changed or I have since then.
March is the peak month here for durian, langsat relatives, pulasan, rambutan, keledang,marang and maybe even mahgosteen.Because of rainfall and altitude variation in short distances there is a bit of variation and the season is lengthened because of it for many species,
Seeds of species supposedly with long juvenile development periods like ilama,and pulasan that I have received through this forum are productive fruiting trees now.

C'mon Mr Annona you are not selling the fabulous Davidson Plums very well. Oh yeah there are some Raimondia seeds in Woree.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Artocarpus lacucha - plant or not
« on: March 17, 2018, 03:11:06 AM »
They are smaller than mango trees and taste a bit like sloppy apricot. They don't need to x-pollinate, are fine with clay soil and at least as resilient with wet feet as mango. They are pretty good so plant it. They are under-rated and have nice fruit.Kwai muk is another Aetocarpus which is very good and should be planted more.

I was younger when I made rash comments comparing rambutan and pulasan in the past. My taste has matured since then and I have a more considered opinion.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / kampong mauve sugar apple
« on: March 16, 2018, 11:36:56 PM »

They are pretty good and at $4,80us/kg at the Mossman markets pretty reasonable.

Oh yeah taste.....and after consuming lots of rambutans specifically and fruit in generally lately I have a re-tuned my taste buds and redeveloped a 'cultured palate'. I have consumed the best rambutans lately like R167,R9,R156 and R134 which I reckon is the best.So how do these pulasan compare? They blow the rambutans away having a more complex taste that is sweeter and less acidic and the testa seed coat does not come away. Are pulasn better than rambutan? You bet they are.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Time of plenty - look at these Pulasans
« on: March 16, 2018, 10:56:28 PM »
It is the season when durian are ripening and rambutans are in abundance and all manner of fruit are available. They certainly have been in my yard. Longkongs ,duku langsat and duku have also been fruting well.Something I don't grow is pulasans.I know seeds I got from a generous forum member in Malaysia in 2013/14 are producing sibabats and blacks.My brother acquired some from a different source today which were grown at 17s latitude and 400m altitude at Kuranda. They are more cold tolerant than popular opinion would have us believe if Kuranda is suitable.Anyway look at these.

They are not quite black but darker than most sibabat (seebabat) and I would assign them as sibabats.I guess that is the way it goes with seedlings.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Good keledang and safu
« on: February 21, 2018, 03:08:29 AM »
It seems keledangs are like many Artocarpus in that there is a fair bit of variation in fruit characteristics between trees.This particular fruit was picked a bit early and is smaller than usual for that tree.
I will try the safu and give an account of the taste.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Good keledang and safu
« on: February 20, 2018, 03:10:59 AM »
A friend has some great tasting keledang and they must be one of the most desirable Artocarpus.This one has very bright coloured flesh and a very rich flavour.The fruit in the picture in the handsome paw is just a small one.

I have never tried safu and I am told to pour hot water over them and then eat.The colour sure ius an attention grabber,

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Advise on growing Annona Scleroderma
« on: February 12, 2018, 04:50:11 AM »
I don't want to rain on your parade or diminish your enthusiasm but when I go to the park and see how big they get and try one off the ground I am not motivated to grow one let alone think about one in a greenhouse. They like the seasonal tropics with humid wet summers and the trees are big. The fruit are not as good as soursop.


Vexators have a reasonable flavour but are not one of the best jaboticabas.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticaba or Gurimichama?
« on: February 12, 2018, 04:37:11 AM »
Get escarlate jaboticaba or even red hybrid. Grumis are not as worthwhile.

Sorry to hear that. My 3 foot tall, 3 year old one had flowers also that didn't set. My larger 8 foot tall 5 year old one hasn't had flowers but it looks like it isn't flourishing.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Whitman's fiberless soursop is sour
« on: February 12, 2018, 04:31:51 AM »
Well, well sour? I didn't want to hear that after positive reports of its exquisite taste. My lisa and Arusha have great fruit so much better than Cuban fibreless. My morado and Whitman fibreless seedlings are yet to fruit. I will hold myself back from ripping out the Whitman until it fruits.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Tampoi like fruit identification needed
« on: February 12, 2018, 04:22:07 AM »
A friend ask me to identify fruit he has from a picture. He is a bit over 100km away and knows tampoi but this seems different.Below in the link are some regular tampoi species.The posted pic shows some similarities to B.macrocarpa but the point and red skin are different.

His description of it is as follows : Similar segments inside like mangosteen and good flavour....almost more complex than mangosteen.
A positive identification would be much appreciated.

The big Sydney one is real and seeds were sent to Brazil from it more than once.I received seeds from brazil and Sydney a few years ago and none germinated.

Escarlate is the sweetestbeing just a shade sweeter than red hybrid. Sabara is also sweet of course. Vexator has a plum like quality with maroon flesh near the skin but with thick skin and large seeds the flesh yield is low.

The only mono salaccas are Balis.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado help needed.
« on: February 04, 2018, 05:41:46 AM »
 If the rainfall is more than say 2500mm/yr and you are tropical but want a Guatemalan avo with reasonable resistance then shepard and reed are probably best. Rootstocks used for anthracnose resistance like plowman, nabal.reed and velvick seem to have good phytopthera resistance as well even on clay.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ilamas on my trees and seeds sprouting
« on: February 04, 2018, 05:23:09 AM »
Ilamas with strongly coloured flesh if crossed to orange or red skinned sugar apples might produce impressive offspring. The flesh is certainly eye catching and the juice that come out is really red as well.

Raul, I found my sabaras averaged over 7 years until they fruited, grimal about 1 year less, vexator about 4,red hybrid 3 and escarlate about 2.5 if I remember correctly.Escarlate fruits numerous times in a year often flowering again while it has developing fruit. Sabara and red hybrid also fruit multiple times a year.
Recher the vexator was not astringent at all.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: End of January Harvest
« on: February 03, 2018, 02:37:04 AM »
It is ironic than I am on the other side of the equator and have rambutans, mangosteens, durians and canistels ready for harvest at the same time.

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