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I want to have a few varieties on my Peach Cobbler tree!  any suggestions? Honey Kiss would be my first choice for I want a late season mango, but am thinking they might grow totally different and not compliment each other.

For a later season, possibly Cotton Candy. My Cotton Candy seems to gave a similar growth habit.

Honey Kiss will not be a good companion, the Peach Cobbler will eat it up.

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Behl - I have read online what  Achetadomestica said below that the Persian Mulberry does not do well in FL. I don't know if any of the FL growers on the forum have had a different experience.

Acheta - Did you grow the varieties you have from cutting or did you buy the plants from a nursery? If so, which nursery?

Brad - Any idea where I could buy a Kaimana?

Rob, TnTrobbie, Jeff - Where would I find Australian white, Tice plants? I am not usually a big fan of super sweet, so I will try the Australian before I buy.

Koundog - I have not heard of the giant type.

Tice may be a bit difficult to find.  Excalibur has the Australian Green (not sure who else in Florida sells it).  This variety has some everbearing traits and you may be able to find a ripe fruit to taste.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seeking info on M-4 mango
« on: Today at 12:10:18 PM »
I tasted about 3 sugar loaf –E4 mangoes.  It does not taste like coconut cream mango to me. It’s more like pineapples.  One of them with white flush tasted to me is a mix of sweet and sour pineapple.  One of them with light yellow flush tasted to me like sour pineapple.  And the third one was perfect it was like a sweet pineapple.  They had more pineapple flavor than the pineapple pleasure mango. There was a significant variation in the taste from mango to mango. It’s because they may not be picked or ripens at the perfect stage.  Its flush has some white color and pineapple flavor, but not sweet as the sugar loaf pineapple. Its taste may not be good as a perfect coconut cream mango but is unique.  I like to grow this mango tree because it’s unique flavor.  I never tasted the m4 mango.

Yes, proper harvest time is a problem with mangoes that basucally stay green.  When properly picked, the E4 will have a pale yellow flesh and can even have a hint of texture that some may deem as minimal fiber (as does Pickering).

While I agree it is not the Hawaiin Tropic coconut flavor found in the Coco Cream but is definitely coconut.  I do find it odd that you detected no coconut with your E4s.  I can only think harvesting issues were the cause.  In the same respect, what flavors did you detect in the Pineapple Pleasure?  Harvest with this fruit also olays a role but in any event, the flavors in ever one I have ever gad have been pineapple, just ranging from tart to super sweet with an acidic balance.

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I have heard that Glenn & PPK have "short" seasons.  Just how short are they?  If true which one has the longer season. Also which of these two is earlier.  Thanks.

Glenn is earlier.  Shirter season, tough to really say.  Too many factors involved...tree size/age, number of blooms, crop size, etc.  The better thing to say is that neither have an extended season naturally multiple crops like a few popular varieties.

If choosing on taste alone...no contest, PPK wins in a landslide.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seeking info on M-4 mango
« on: Today at 07:38:39 AM »
the Sugarloaf trees look more productive than Coconut cream. M-4 at a minimum looks a lot more precocious than Coconut cream and in “on” years the original tree’s yields are extremely heavy. It’s a better mango frankly and so is Sugarloaf, which is much more consistent than coconut cream and seems more forgiving about when it is harvested.

I kind of wish the “coconut cream” name had been saved for one of those two rather than C-20.


I had heard Sugarloaf had a pineapple flavor profile & had named after the white pineapple of the same name.  Is that accurate?  From the discussion it sounds like Sugarloaf has either a coconut or pina collada profile.  Thanks.

I would not always focus on a name (Peach Cobbler does not taste like peaches in any way...a better name would have been either Oh Too or Tangerine Dream).  Oh, and Ugly Betty...named after the TV character...

The base flavor of E4 aka Sugarloaf is coconut (the name that was originally kicked around was Mounds).  As I had stated, E4 (as does M4) has a complexity to it that Coco Cream doesnt and that is an acidic component.  Its not tart in any way but just has a touch of acidity to liven the taste sensation.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seeking info on M-4 mango
« on: July 17, 2018, 07:36:45 PM »
I don't have any of these in production yet but I suggest CC over E-4 and M4 if picking between them.  I do rate E4 and M4 slightly ahead on taste but indications are production on both has been sketchy at best for some people.  Early days yet.

Before making comments on production, one should grow them all and/or compare on an even keel playing field (you cant compare and comment on trees that are neglected and/or cut back to wherw they physically cant bloom).  Not only does Coco Cream have vegetative growth issues but it akso needs extended years befire it starts setting fruit consistently.  It also is very simar to Carrie in that it goes to mush and basically rots quite quickly.  It has a very poor shelf life.  I have seen trees in both Palm Beach and Martin Counties do very well setting and holding their fruit based on their age.

Oh, and the taste of both the "4s" is way more complex and overall better than Coco Cream.  I think I am repeating myself...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulberry and Lychee recommendations.
« on: July 17, 2018, 05:43:09 PM »
As for mulberry, hard to beat the Australian "green" aka Austrailian white.  Sweet as augar with a honeydew melon flavor.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seeking info on M-4 mango
« on: July 17, 2018, 05:41:37 PM »
So should any dooryarder who was thinking about planting a Coco Cream scratch it off the list for the sake of M-4 instead?

Yes, definitely...or wait for E4 aka Sugarloaf.  Both E4 and M4 are better than Coconut Cream in terms of taste and tree's growth habits.  Coco Cream tend to get overripe quickly and ferment.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulberry and Lychee recommendations.
« on: July 17, 2018, 05:38:25 PM »
Brewster tastes better to me than Mauritius.   It is very sweet without that acidic component Mauritius has.  It does have a perfumed rose scent which I like.  Main drawback is larger seed and flesh tends to not release from the seed as easy...

I am not sure I believe 100% that Sweetheart and Hak Ip are identical.  For instance, the Lychee Fruit Store, a commercial lychee and longan grove in Loxahatchee grows both and the two have some differences.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Zill adventure Tuesday
« on: July 16, 2018, 05:50:54 PM »
I got to try creme brulee. It was fantastic. The seed is very obviously polyembryonic, but does anybody have budwood?

E4 was also good, but I thought the creme brulee was better. Both seem like close relatives to the coco cream, but oddly I don't remember coco cream being polyembryonic?

E4 is Pettigrew and Gary
Coco Cream is Edward and Gary

Creme Brulee is an Edward seedling I believe.   Not sure if Gary was the pollen donor or not.  If Ibrecall, it is not a very good bearer...and I dont think anyone has budwood.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Site Outage
« on: July 16, 2018, 04:47:09 PM »
Thanks, Jeff. 

How about hosting a "plant and plant material sale" like the rare fruit councils do at meetings with all sale proceeds going towards the increased cost for the virtual server upgrade?  Yes, this will mean people would be "donating" their material but I think many would be up for it.

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And this is why Brix - on its own - is a terrible measure of a fruit.  I could mix granulated sugar with mud and toenail clippings, and it'd have a great brix score.  ;)

+1,000,000,000,000,000

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Zill adventure Tuesday
« on: July 14, 2018, 07:27:25 PM »
I hadn't heard of Cream Brulee.

I believe its I-25...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
« on: July 14, 2018, 07:31:33 AM »
had another Angie last night I got from Florida. I smiled after tasting it, glad I topworked it.

Thanks for sharing - that indicates perhaps that rather than variable quality-just taste is subjective and this variety is especially polarizing.

I believe Behl was confirming he didnt like it and was glad he topworked the tree into something else...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting mangos of 2018
« on: July 13, 2018, 11:35:01 PM »
Dont blame the post office...Carrie should not be shipped unless maybe its picked rock hard green and sent via Fedex priority overnight delivery.

If you found the Choc Anon delicious, you will probably go bonkers over the Tomny Atkins.

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If you are talking store bought, then no.

A homegrown Red Lady is really good.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Zill adventure Tuesday
« on: July 13, 2018, 02:08:29 PM »
Terry?  Or Traci?

Come on now Har, dont get technical.  😉😲😂

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Looks as though someone did a bud graft, which then died.  I hope that wasn't the 'Pickering'--- if it was, then the rest is probably Turpentine.

That damage looks to be above the graft and tbose leaves are definitely that of  Pickering.

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Speaking of Duncan's...Do Florida grown Duncans have an astringent taste near the skin like the ones I tasted which were grown in CA?
Have we been picking these at the wrong time?

All Duncans have the taste. Most people seem to like it though.

Duncan tends to have a split season.  That taste characteristic is usually more pronounced in the early crop.

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Did you find MBBS before the rain started? All of my PPK came off clean, but harvest was finished in June.

Lemon Meringue with MBBS & Rot



Not on PPK but I have seen it show its ugly head on immature fruit, before May.

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I've also got 2 keitt trees were just about all the fruitis split looks like MBBS
Very sad,. If I do a severe prunning could that help the chances of getting rid of this diease ?
What about top working the tree, will MBBS infect the new grafts??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXNeGaGYNIg

Not sure I would follow this and expect success.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gary Mango
« on: July 12, 2018, 09:35:45 PM »
Bill, I hate to say this but that does not look like a Gary.  Shape and color are off.  Did you buy the tree from somewhere or get budwood and graft it? 

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Carrie and Angie are in my bottom 5, and you can add Ugly Betty to that pile.

Love the Ugly Betty, Angie and Carrie. I will take them any day compared to some other varieties such as Glenn, Rosigold, Cogshall and NDM #4. Better than Mahachanok as well, at least for my taste buds.

I agree, the others you mentioned are in the bottom pile.  Lol

My how tastes vary from person to person...

Truly Tropical grows and sells over 80 varieties of mangoes.  Carrie is their absolute #1 FAVORITE BEST SELLER!!  Most hard core mango lovers think Carrie is a superb mango - the facts speak for themselves.

I am very familiar with Truly Tropical and know Chris very well.  I dont choose mangoes based on sales.  I go by taste.  I am alsi very familiar with the Carrie and you will never see me eating one.  To me, they are horrible.  Please don't try to preach to me about how good it is and any mango lover would make it their favorite.  You will not even make me think of eating one or changing my mind.

Not trying to change your mind, trying to make you realize that the vast majority of people 90%?? think Carrie is an excellent mango. Telling people that Carrie is a bad tasting mango isn't accurate.  It's especially bad because your opinion and knowledge on most other things is spot on and well respected.  People are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.

90%?  Really, you have conclusive evidence?

You telling people its great is the same as me telling people its hirrible...its based on one's own taste and opinion.

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Carrie and Angie are in my bottom 5, and you can add Ugly Betty to that pile.

Love the Ugly Betty, Angie and Carrie. I will take them any day compared to some other varieties such as Glenn, Rosigold, Cogshall and NDM #4. Better than Mahachanok as well, at least for my taste buds.

I agree, the others you mentioned are in the bottom pile.  Lol

My how tastes vary from person to person...

Truly Tropical grows and sells over 80 varieties of mangoes.  Carrie is their absolute #1 FAVORITE BEST SELLER!!  Most hard core mango lovers think Carrie is a superb mango - the facts speak for themselves.

I am very familiar with Truly Tropical and know Chris very well.  I dont choose mangoes based on sales.  I go by taste.  I am alsi very familiar with the Carrie and you will never see me eating one.  To me, they are horrible.  Please don't try to preach to me about how good it is and any mango lover would make it their favorite.  You will not even make me think of eating one or changing my mind.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gary Mango
« on: July 12, 2018, 04:34:47 PM »
Thanks.  Should I just go by color?  How about if the fruit "gives" to pressure?  Or if the stem breaks easily when fruit is put at a 90 degree angle?

Bill

I tend not to wait till a mango is soft to pick.  Sometimes shit happens but I like to look for the right signs and then once picked, should be ripe in 1 - 3 days or so.

As far as picking, I have harvested many Gary and unless fully ripe on the tree, they seem to need a tug to pick.  Look for the lightening of the color,  browning and narrowing of the stem.  Maybe post pictures and even try picking one to see how it ripens...

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