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My experience with E Dysenterica is that it is so hard to germinate and keep alive that it is hard to tell what kills it when it is young; city water, the sun, soil ph or other preferences like temperature and humidity - and it doesn't like small pots. As a seedling it is, like many Myrtaceae, very slow growing. Full trees seem to get quite large and obviously thrive in full sun. I've only seen large trees as singular trees - it doesn't show wether that tree grew up as a seedling in the shade of other bushes and then outgrew them.
As to the claim that it acts as a laxative, I have no firsthand experience eating the fruit, but it has the shortest possible shelf life - you have to eat it straight of the tree or it starts to ferment. That can probably account for it's nickname. There are a lot of better alternatives out there in order to wind up drunk on the toilet  ;)

For E pyriformis I can confirm that there are varieties that are extremely slow growing - when young - and others that grow pretty fast, from barely 10 cm in the first year to around 60 cm.

Yes, that is a great idea. But it also may be a good experiment to dry a few seeds at the same time and rehydrate them after a month. I don’t really understand what makes them germinate. I tried 3 times to germinate a batch of five to ten seeds of these. Fresh seeds in a small container with bottom heat, like I germinate all Myrtaceae. But twice nothing came up and the last time it took them 2 to 4 months for three to germinate, of which two died.
It is an interesting Campomanesia because it grows in colder climates with some sort of winter, so I started wondering wether it needs a small cool period, or even to be dried and rehydrated to start germinating. If you could do a small experiment with three different batches of seeds - if you have enough seeds, that would be very helpful to figure this out.

Feijoa and Ugni - the other coldhardy Myrtaceae all tolerate to be dried and rehydrated. But they do sprout better when just freshly sown.

Enjoy the fruits!

Great review!
I'm really looking forward to grow this one. They are hard to come by in Europe and seed germination is not very predictable.

I think the Pitanga do cerrado is a different botanical species with a dwarf habit and often a slightly different type of leaves. The one you have looks like Eugenia Uniflora to me, but I am not a botanist.
When you offer seeds for sale it is often helpful to say upfront how sure you are of the identification or wether you are just guessing. There are a lot of varieties of Eugenia Uniflora out there and they can be very different looking from one another. Some of them are reportedly very good!

That looks great! And a beautiful Uvaia!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: compatible grafting
« on: February 18, 2018, 03:18:46 PM »
Don't know of anything. I even just thought that loquat could be grafted onto quince, not the other way around.

Thank you for clarifying that, Millet, that explains a lot of what is happening in my greenhouse this winter...

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Who has cocktail tree? Need your advices.
« on: February 11, 2018, 03:02:40 AM »
Very nice looking tree and grafts. I only have some potted small multigrafted trees, which i grafted in order to keep my scionwood alive. But they are fun to try to keep growing. In my cold climate the differences in vigor between different varieties seems to become more pronounced though.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: I made an uvaia mermelade
« on: January 26, 2018, 04:59:12 AM »
Marcos, thanks for the background information. It seems indeed that there are sweet and acid types of Uvaia, as well as the hybrids and the velvety types.... as you said, all very confusing. That is why I wanted to find out wether there are a lot of different flavors within all the Uvaia’s.

And Joe,
yes, the Eugenia genus is very mysterious, but that is also part of the fun of collecting them.
Do you think you can post some pictures of your Ubajai, so we can compare the leaf type.
I found the thread where I saw an Uvaia with the same type of leaves:
It is the last picture in Adams post. He also says that his plant is very different from Ubajai, if you examine them next to each other. He said the fruit as good.
If you ever get any seeds of your plant, I would be interested!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: I made an uvaia mermelade
« on: January 25, 2018, 05:53:04 PM »
Your plant looks very different from all the Uvaia’s I have, Joe. But mine are all still a bit smaller. To me your plant looks more like my Ubajai.
In an old post Adam from Flying Fox Fruits also has pictures from an Uvaia with the same broad leaves with veins in them. Maybe he could tell you for sure.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: I made an uvaia mermelade
« on: January 25, 2018, 10:02:21 AM »
That looks delicious!

Do you find a lot of variability in the taste, size and sweetness of all your Uvaia’s? I know that you have trees from a lot of different sources and I was wondering how variable the different fruits and flavors are.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Define "dappled shade"...
« on: January 18, 2018, 04:28:56 AM »
That is a good question.

I wouldn't know anything about an official interpretation of the terms, but I myself do intuitively distinguish between the two. I have lost some Salvia species when i planted them in part shade, while another patch in dappled shade thrived. The way I see it is that it has to do with the plants capacity to pump up water in dry air conditions. The salvia's that were in three hours of continuous sun, either morning sun or midday sun just got wilted leaves the moment the sun hit, and that progressed to dead leaf edges and finally the plants dying. The ones in dappled shade also had wilted leaves sometimes, when patches of sunlight hit, but because sun and shade alternate throughout the day, the evaporation never truly outpaced the water their roots could pump up. They did better than the ones in full shade, which also survived, but never really grew much.

Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Ugni molinae
« on: January 12, 2018, 04:49:53 AM »
Hi Mikkel,

Ugni Molinae ripens around October here, if you remind me next October, I can send you some seeds.


Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: January 04, 2018, 04:54:16 PM »
Here are some pictures of the Pawpaw festival I managed to get to last October in the Netherlands. It was great! They really have all the varieties there and you could see, taste and learn everything about Pawpaws

I had my first taste of Pawpaw and it was absolutely delicious. I had read about this fruit for over 8 years and never tasted one... This is a very very good fruit. I drove 2 hours to get to the Country Winery

They had lots of things going on and were selling Pawpaw trees, seeds, jam, pie and even Pawpaw beer. If you are ever in the neighborhood, go take a look there. He is the only guy that sells Petersons Pawpaws in Europe, he has a license from him and knows Mr. Peterson personally.

Here are the pictures:

A beautiful place and a sunny day:

The propagation greenhouse

The Pawpaw Orchard

Some of the grafted plants for sale

My prize and bounty after a very nice daytrip

Hope you enjoyed the pictures - I'll have to wait a couple of years for my first fruits...

Oh, I almost forgot, this is their website:

Hi Carlos,

Your seeds arrived today, they look good and I will get them planted as soon as possible. Thank you very much!

I’m with you on the search for better tasting varieties. I grow a couple of young trees here, and it is quite hard to find seeds from superior quality. I know the university of Montevideo in Uruguay has a program to look for better varieties, but even they are skeptical and haven’t really found one yet. Miguel’s report on his exceptional seedling is very hopeful though, and also the fact that genetically the Ubajai is close to Uvaia, so they may cross sometimes. If you ever find seeds of a good variety, i’m very interested! My young trees are only two years ol, but very beautiful and very easy to grow. They can take a lot of cold, drought and neglect and still look healthy and green.
Good luck!

Congratulations, Marcos!
It looks delicious. My oldest plant is 5 years old, in a pot and hasn’t flowered yet. I have good hopes for next year, but we will see... I am also very curious to what it will taste like. It looks like you will be drowning in Uvaia’s soon as well!
Thanks for sharing, always a joy to see your videos,

Hi Caesar,

I think you are doing everything right, step by step. I got interested in permaculture and fruit breeding both out of curiosity and idealism, but I do have another education, job and passion which is my ‘first love’.
On the other hand I always fantasized about my ‘plant hobby’ to someday be able to generate some money or income, but after eight years of spending a lot of time and thoughts on it I realize that that is very hard to do ‘on the side’ . I am afraid there is not a lot of ‘passive income’ to generate from farm work and fruit breeding is by now an equally complex art, so adjusted to market demands it has become not only an enormous long shot, but in order to develop new varieties into a licensed or patented product that generates money ‘passively’ you have to work full time at it. So the ‘passive’ part is very relative.

Nonetheless some permaculture farms that are well planned and thought through have flourished and taken off also commercially. These are truly admirable enterprises and have given a better idea on how to make such a thing work. All of them take it as seriously hard work and research their context and market extensively, start small and scale things up later.
You might want to check out the videos of this guy:

Good luck!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Ugni molinae - autumn crop.
« on: October 13, 2017, 01:04:34 PM »
Very nice plants!
Thank you for sharing your results and taste test, Heinrich. I agree that broad leaf is a more accurate description than large leaf variety.
I had similar results as far as the size of the berries went for both varieties. Unfortunately all my mature broad leaf plants died last year in a freeze that went on for ten days and went below -8 while they were in pots outside.
I did save seeds from all my varieties and have now quite a number of seedlings going from these different types. They are now one year old and I am reporting them for winter. In spring I'll post some pictures of the different leaf types I found between them, no surprises there. They are all in a range from very narrow to quite broad leaves.
I am curious to see after how many years they will start to fruit...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A wealth of different types of Uvaia
« on: September 24, 2017, 11:05:21 AM »
Ahh, I see now. I missed the link underneath. I have a couple of two and three year old Eugenia's, but I haven't been able to grow them 'fast' in a greenhouse, with adequate heat and moisture. I grew them outside in summer in our Northern European climate but from around this time of the year they come inside and basically stop growing.
So I haven't had any surprises of super early flowering plants yet... but still keeping my fingers crossed for next year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First jaboticaba flower buds??????
« on: September 19, 2017, 12:36:35 PM »
Congratulations, Marcos!
I thought they looked like flower buds as well, but you know more about Jaboticaba's then I do. I'm looking forward to find out what type of fruit this one will give. The plant is absolutely amazing. Very beautiful! Good luck

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A wealth of different types of Uvaia
« on: September 19, 2017, 12:34:44 PM »
Wow, Heinrich, that is amazing.
I cannot tell if it is an Uvaia, but as far as I can see it could very well be. I have a couple of Pitanga and one Uvaia seedling that have the same triple-leaf symmetry instead of opposite leafs. But I have never seen such a small seedling flower, you must be doing something right!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Feijoa - Acca sellowiana cold hardiness?
« on: September 12, 2017, 01:12:58 PM »
Mine have survived -8 Celsius. But others have died in winters with more snow and longer frosts. Not necessarily colder, but just longer frost periods. It is the snow that kills them. If you have a way to get the snow off their leaves quickly they may even take more frost.
And plants with their roots deep in the ground come back after hard frosts. Plants in pots have no thermal mass to protect their roots and they die at -8 Celsius
Hope that helps

Beautiful and amazing! I hope she fruits soon!

I sort of gave up on Jaboticaba's - I thought I was in a climate that was too cold and that Jaboticaba's were too sensitive to sunlight and water and soil pH to be worth growing. It turns out that after killing most of them the four survivors I have suddenly picked up and grew literally to three times their size this last year.  I now think that they are delicate in the first two to three years and afterwards they are a beautiful and very rewarding plant.
I only have four left though  ::)

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