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you seem to have a high graft so this is iffy.  You could prune at the main trunk, at 12 to 18 inches or so above the graft and let it reflush and "start over".  Of course with this there are possible complications (with a high graft this could lead to more complications).

You could pug/top/tip prune each of the three existing branches however I see this having possible complications also.  It appears as if the trunk is weak. Forcing more branching on the existing branches could cause more instability than is necessary on the trunk.

You could just leave it alone for now.

In any event, I would give a better/more support to the main trunk.  Use one, or both, of the stakes and support right up against the trunk and tying with tree tape, making sure that when you stake it you "force" the trunk in a more upright/straight position.

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I'm aware that due to the high PH of my soil, (7.6), here in central Broward County, that the mango tree's ability to absorb iron is blocked.  Thus, my tree exhibits signs of chlorosis. 
I purchased Southern Ag's Chelated Liquid Iron.  About 10 days ago I applied it as a soil drench.  Yesterday I applied it as a foliar spray.  I haven't yet seen any improvement.  How long should it take to see an improvement in the tree?
Are you sure its iron deficiency?  Pictures would help if you can...

You might want to try IronPlex by KeyPlex.  I have had mixed results with SouthernAg products.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Branching after Pruning / Tipping
« on: August 10, 2012, 12:01:13 PM »
As Tony stated, please post picture(s).

I would truly say it depends on the variety as to how fast it flushes after topping/pugging.  I have seen some take more than four weeks and some in as little as ten days to two weeks.  A lot would also depend on the water and fertilization being applied.

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Sir Cleanliness,  what did you notice about the flying ability of the weevils?

The ones at my house are not "weak" flyers; they're pretty good at flying.   I guess that explains why I haven't had much luck with the tanglefoot on the trunk method.
Yes, they are very good with their wings...flying is not a problem for them.

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I was in my yard wearing a LED white headlamp and noticed that the white weevils were very visible at night.  The contrast of their white bodies, the green leaves, and the darkness really made them very visible.  So I decided to remove some weevils.  The technique that worked best for me was cupping one hand under the weevil on the leaf, then using the other hand to knock the weevil off of the leaf into my other hand.  Then immediately smoosh them.  I wore leather gloves.   My mango trees are relatively small, so this was easy to do.

I noticed several things:

The vast majority of weevils were on mango trees going thru growth flushes (for me those were Coconut Cream, Carrie, and Sunrise).  Perhaps trees going thru growth flushes taste better?
A majority of single weevils were on the underside of the leaves.
A majority of single weevils were on or near the tip of the leaves.
A majority of the time only a single weevil occupied a single leaf (like it was their territory).
A majority of single weevils were on the west side of the tree.
A majority of couple weevils (weevils fornicating) were on the northeast side of the tree.  This was only on my Sunrise.
A majority of couple weevils were closer to the middle of the leaf.

Based on this small sampling...it appears the weevils have a sort of social culture where the single weevils hang out in a certain part of the tree on the underside of tips of leaves.  Couple weevils go to a different part of the tree and occupied a middle part of the leaf.  This was a relatively small sampling, so you may not be able to draw any conclusions. 

Hope this helps in your weevil erradication or at least gets you thinking of ways to get rid of them.
This has been highly researched/analyzed by the university of Florida *this is nothing new to the area)...Google is a wonderful thing.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: LZ vs OS
« on: August 09, 2012, 05:29:58 PM »
Yah, it looks like a deformed LZ. Ignoring the hook, the tail is somewhat characteristic. What does the sap smell like? Snap off a leaf and smell the end of the petiole or crush a leaf. It should have a faint smell of orange peel. Granted, there are a few other trees that have that orange peel smell (eg, the Coco cream), but that would be enough to give me confidence that it's a LZ.

You still have several months to go on that baby.
My comment to shape was not to implt it wasn't a LZ, just stating that the shape was odd/off for a LZ.  I have seen other pictures on this forum and the other forum of mangoes grown in Cali that do not look like the same variety grown in Florida (in shape and color).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: LZ vs OS
« on: August 09, 2012, 04:43:39 PM »
It does have that beveled edge with two tips on the end though..
?????

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: LZ vs OS
« on: August 09, 2012, 03:22:38 PM »
Is this the green mottling coloration you're talking about in LZ?  Not sure if you can see the unusual discolored patches.


Can't see it from your picture.  It becomes very noticable as it yellows up and ripens.  If that is a LZ fruit, it has a much different shape than any I have seen.  Yours has a severe hook to it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Magana Mamey
« on: August 09, 2012, 01:21:36 PM »
Has anyone tasted the Magana mamey? How does it compare to the Pantin or Lorito taste wise? I know that it is big, but I am wondering about the taste. I just read that the Magana ripens unevenly, is less colorful and less sweet. I don't really care about the color, but I am not to keen on the uneven ripening and less sweet.
I would just go with either a Lorito, Pantin, Excalibur or Pace mamey.  While I have had good Magaņa I have also had average ones (the same with Viejo), so that I would just stich with one of the four aforementioned varieties.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Coconut Cream - 4 months of growth
« on: August 09, 2012, 10:48:40 AM »
My Coconut Cream is flushing nicely too.  So I re-read some comments about its flavor (thank you Rob, for your description), and I think it's a keeper.
Meanwhile MahaChanok, in the ground for 11.5 months now, still has not flushed once.  I just clipped a bit off the top to see if that will motivate it. Next I get out the whips and chains.
The Mahachanok can be a little finicky/slow to get going (hence my comments that it seems to be a slow grower).  Keep fertilizing and watering it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: TnTRobbie's 2012 mango season results :)
« on: August 09, 2012, 12:47:30 AM »
Hi TnTrobbie

that unknown Asian mango looks like an Ivory.... one of the best mangos I've tried, out of 70 varieties, this year. BTW, great looking backyard and mango trees.
I have trued Ivory grown here in SFla a few times...nothing special.  The look also bears a great resemblance to Okrung Tong/Okrung Pi Kun Tong (some feel these are one in the same).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this the pride of Valencia?
« on: August 09, 2012, 12:42:43 AM »
20 foot is considered dwarf for mango trees. As was pointed out before, Julie will get 20 feet when mature if unpruned.
In Florida, a 20 foot Julie would be considered a large specimen.

My pint was that in my opinion a VP on dwarf stock would still get quite large, and at an early age.

I have seen a 15 year old Duncan that was not 20 feet tall but I would not call it a dwarf.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this the pride of Valencia?
« on: August 08, 2012, 10:44:23 PM »
Dwarfing rootstocks seem to be cultivar specific -- a rootstock that dwarfs a Carrie may not dwarf a nam doc mai, and vice versa. There may not be a dwarfing rootstock for VP yet.

  Hmm, sure looks like one of my favorite tall tree mangoes.  >:( Man I wish I had room for that tree.

Ask Excalibur to put a VP on a dwarf rootstock for you.
Hmm, i was told it wouldn't matter because the tree would still get taller than 20+ feet. 15-20 is more realistice for me this is why i got the Nam Doc Mai 4 and the Pickering trees planted.

I wish someone would hurry up and find one. I NEED a dwarfed VP tree. I have a great spot for it pick out in my front yard where the kids can throw rocks at it for a sugary treat.  8)
I am not sure it will ever come to fruition.  Also, even if attempted on a dwarf stock, MY guess is you might wind up with a 20+ foot tree as opposed to a 40-50 foot tree.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Get Off my Mango Tree!
« on: August 08, 2012, 12:21:59 AM »
Neem has been reported to work with Weevils. among a ton of other critters.

Neem doesnt kill bugs, but repels, or messes with their reproductive and appetite. most pests would rather starve to death than eat their favorite food with Neem on it.

Link on how to make your own,  also tons of other natural recipes.  great site.
http://www.oisat.org/control_methods/plants_in_pest_control/neem.html
Problem is is that you would have to constantly apply as the weevils are a constant and are not just isolated to "your"d...and this still does nothing to control the source of the weevil, the grub which is, or could be eating the roots.

As t using oils, not a good idea in SFla in the summertime as with the heat and sun, the combination will, or mast likely will, damage the plant.  Also, as you stated, you would have to actually spray the weevil to have any affect...this would mean a spraying on almost a daily basis which would not be good or the tree.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Get Off my Mango Tree!
« on: August 08, 2012, 12:08:13 AM »


I might pull my hair out if I see more weevils on my tree.   ;)  (It will be funnier if you look at my picture.)   If you are finding a lot of weevils, perhaps put them in a jar and experiment to see if any pesticides kills them.

Some good ideas here including the last post to the thread...how to get rid of this pestilence. Also using tangle foot to thwart them
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tropicalfruits/msg1008105212175.html?14

I thought Sri Lankan weevil can fly? So how would tanglefoot stop them? Is there a stage at which the weevil can't fly? I wonder also what biological natural controls exist for them in Sri Lanka? Seems like that should be studied and then introduced into Florida.
I was thinking the same thing regarding the tanglefoot.

Take this for what it is worth...someone came into the nursery a couple of months ago and he was from Sri Lanka.  I asked him about the weevil problems and what control they used...he said he never saw any problems in Sri Lanka, only when he came here to Florida.  Again, this was just what I was told, doesn't mean it is or isn't factual.

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Sadly the Rapoza met an untimely demise. Lesson, keep your in-laws away from the weedeater.

I'd love that ticket otherwise, but I suspect Customs would notice I was hiding something under my shirt......
Now is the time to inform them that you will take the time to go out and replace the tree they whacked as long as they pay for it (of course you should make up a good story that it was one of those Mahachanoks that are only available from limited sources)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this the pride of Valencia?
« on: August 07, 2012, 11:45:55 PM »
I bought this mango a few days ago at Excalibur in Lake Worth, FL.   It wasn't labeled, and the staff were too busy for me to ask.   Does it look like Valencia Pride?
It was very tasty, sweet, touch of tart, no fiber.    The VP mangos I tasted a few years ago didn't seem to have as much flavor as this did.  Probably just a reminder to give fruit more than one tasting.



The fruit is/was only 6 inches long?  Were all of them (this variety) the same size?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Do you tip a Jackfruit tree?
« on: August 07, 2012, 11:39:58 PM »
I'm not sure about this one, actually. It is a Cristela from Excalibur.
When did you get it, do you remember what you paid for it?  You should be able to see the graft if it is grafted (the Cristela is a very recent variety)..

Rob,
If she has a Cristela, she obviously got it from Excalibur, and you know it would be grafted if it was a Cristela so why waste the time with all the run around questions?
I am pretty sure there are some seedling Cristelas.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Do you tip a Jackfruit tree?
« on: August 07, 2012, 11:38:51 PM »
Rob- how would it matter?
A seedling jackfruit has a very different growth habit from a grafted tree.  The seedling is a faster grower and the habit will be more upright and leggy with much less natural branching.  A grafted tree grows slower and will have more natural branching.  If your tree is at five feet and its a seedling, you should cut it back to force branching at a lower height/  If not, you wont have much luck at keeping it at eight feet.  If it grafted, it SHOULD have significant branching already.  Based on it being a Cristela and at five feet already, I am hedging it is a seedling.  I dont believe I have seen any of the grafted Cristelas near five feet in height yet.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Do you tip a Jackfruit tree?
« on: August 07, 2012, 11:33:29 PM »
Ive been wondering this as well. I have one that is about 5 feet tall. I plan to maintain it at 8', so unless I get contrary advise, I plan to tip it in September. Fairchild recommends pruning jacks in September-October every year.
Thats more for fruiting trees.  Is yours grafted or a seedling?

Grafted.
How do you know Katie's is grafted?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Get Off my Mango Tree!
« on: August 07, 2012, 11:32:36 PM »
Two Sri Lanka Weevils were doing the nasty on my Coconut Cream Mango Tree.


I smooshed them shortly after the photography.

It's fun to squash these. I have one tree they really like. I hold a 15" diameter plastic tub under a branch and shake it. Weevils fall out and U kill them. You will find more this way than just looking because they chomp on the underside of leaves too/
Problem is when you shake the limb is that these suckers can fly and a good portion escape and gain their freedom.

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I would rip the grass out and leave at least a 2 foot gap between the trunk and the grass line all around the tree and maybe get some pine bark mulch, pine needle mulch or any mulch as long as it's not rubber mulch or colored mulch. During dry weather I would water your mameys very well every two days during the hot months. If it rains a bit, water them anyway, unless it's a long good downpour. Sandy soil doesn't tend to hold moisture too well.
plus, being as small as it is, it is gonna be affected greatly by heat/drought/watering/fertilization as well as its surrounding conditions (grass and weevils).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Do you tip a Jackfruit tree?
« on: August 07, 2012, 09:55:40 PM »
I'm not sure about this one, actually. It is a Cristela from Excalibur.
When did you get it, do you remember what you paid for it?  You should be able to see the graft if it is grafted (the Cristela is a very recent variety)..

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JUST by your description with no pics, sounds like scale.

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