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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cambuca does not taste like orange jello
« on: February 28, 2012, 11:35:42 PM »
all this talk about orange jello, made me go to windixee to get some generic orange gelatin.  Cool whip on top.

Maybe we can come up with an orange jello, cambuca recipe?

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ya, there is someone selling cherimoyas that fruit in FL, the variety is "dream"

I didn't believe it myself, but others confirmed what's believed to be a cherimoya, has been selected, named, and fruited, here in FL.

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Which tropical fruit trees are the most attractive as far as shape and structure and leaves? :-*  But not necessarily large, spreading shade trees.  If you wanted to plant some attractive trees in your front yard with ornamental value but not those with the most tempting (to fruit thieves!) fruits, like mangoes and lychees, what would you choose?

Jaboticaba.
Loquat
Canistel
Miracle fruit
pitomba
dwarf sapodilla

and a bunch more I'm sure.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Ilama (Annona diversifolia)
« on: February 27, 2012, 02:33:33 PM »
Hi Ed,
Contact Mr. Roger Meyer....I was there about a month ago and he has a few genova red at 4-5', 5 gallon for $35.
cheers
DT

Called Roger, he's a nice fellow I must say.

He don't got Illama though (at least not as described)

I actually am going to try to help him get budwood of some annonas.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting / Topworking mature trees
« on: February 27, 2012, 02:19:17 PM »
Hmmmm...I seem to have heard that option recently!  Jeff, is there any reason why you wait for the tree to sprout and graft onto those instead of grafting the scions directly to the sawn off branch...much like we do with apples?  a sort of wedge graft where a "V" is notched out at the cut into the wood.  The scion is cut in a wedge and trimmed to fit.  It is then squeezed into the cut until it is very tight with cambiums matched. 

Here's a video demonstrating this technique.  It's very interesting.  I believe this is Axel from the Cloudforest forum.  He is a master grafter.


OJ,

this video is noice, I appreciate the link.  The quality of the video is good, and I can see everything clearly...kudos to the filmer and the grafter.

I always thought you top worked a tree by allowing it to have shoots, and grafting onto those shoots. Maybe certain trees prefer this treatment, maybe not.  I want to top work one of the huge seedling mangoes by me. 

Thanks for sharing.


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What is in your notes that you are basing your conclusion on?

One day I was just writing in my diary, and came up with some good notes about jaboticaba.  I figured it was a good time to share them with the rest of the world!

Hope you enjoy!

PS I read Lorenzi's book, that I mentioned about 1 or 2 posts ago.

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Actually looking at my notes, the one that nurseries most carry, is not M cauliflora, its M. jaboticaba.

The two are almost indistinguishable to the untrained eye (and even to a trained eye!)

M. jaboticaba fruits are always sweet, never acid (where cauliflora has acid varieties like Ponhema)
Also caulifora is generally a shorter tree, with slightly larger leaf and fruit.

Good luck telling the difference!  Chances are, it's M. jaboticaba, sabarah...Hate to break it to you all, but the trees you have from PIN, Hopkins, and most other nurseries in USA, are mislabeled as M. cauliflora. ;D :'( ;D

I'm sure I'll catch heat for saying this, but you can suck my "assu paulista" pulp. ;) ;D :-X :P

That is very interesting. Pretty much every nursery has it listed as M. cauliflora. When do you think the original mislabeling happened?

Harri Lorenzi's book, which I'm sure Oscar has sold quite a few of (God Bless USA, and Brazil), is the key for Americans (and the rest of jaboticaba minded Earthlings) to understanding the varieties, species and incongruities thereof.

I don't think its a big deal that they are mislabeled...there is only one variety that nurseries commonly sell after all.  So what's the big deal if it has a different name, that you never knew or acknowledged any way.   Blah-bla-ti-ca-ba, or chu-pi-ca-ba-ra works for me.

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Hey Adam, do you know where I can purchase some M phitrantha and M. truncilflora trees that can ship?  I have an unnamed cultivar but it has a PIN tag on it.  I would love to add these two species to my collection.  Thanks,
Simon

Your tree from PIN is M. jaboticaba, and chances of finding your requested specimens are slim.  "How badly do you want them?",  is a question of paramount concern.

Also,
Why do you want them?
Where do you live?

I have access to some, but I don't ship or sell plants.  Sorry dude man bro man. :'(

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Jay,
Most places only sell the M. caulifora. Some places have the M. vexator. I think everywhere you've probably only had the caulifora. I think sabara is the common variety of caulifora.  Now that people like Adam and Berto have the other species, maybe nurseries will start carrying them too. Excalibur said it has the coronata (well, he said he had one with giant fruit, so I assumed coronata but it may be something else). Oscar has made the hybrid seeds readily available now and maybe more people will start selling them.

Actually looking at my notes, the one that nurseries most carry, is not M cauliflora, its M. jaboticaba.

The two are almost indistinguishable to the untrained eye (and even to a trained eye!)

M. jaboticaba fruits are always sweet, never acid (where cauliflora has acid varieties like Ponhema)
Also caulifora is generally a shorter tree, with slightly larger leaf and fruit.

Good luck telling the difference!  Chances are, it's M. jaboticaba, sabarah...Hate to break it to you all, but the trees you have from PIN, Hopkins, and most other nurseries in USA, are mislabeled as M. cauliflora. ;D :'( ;D

I'm sure I'll catch heat for saying this, but you can suck my "assu paulista" pulp. ;) ;D :-X :P

Statement above is not intended to be directed at mirahulin, just the general public! sorry! lol

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rollinia - To Prune or Not to Prune
« on: February 26, 2012, 03:40:16 PM »
Jacob,
I have 2 trees with the same growing habit as yours.  I prune both of them to encourage lateral branches.  Otherwise, a Biriba (rollinia) will grow very tall, and they can become huge massive trees.  I keep cutting their tops all the time.

Listen to this wise man, being from Brazil, I'm sure he's seen the right way to grow these!

Noel's tree is a tower of triumph. that is hard to harvest fruits from (some near 30ft up in sky).  I don't think he's ever pruned the top, and should consider cutting off the top 10ft, and encourage a mass of lateral growth.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rollinia - To Prune or Not to Prune
« on: February 26, 2012, 03:36:32 PM »
If I was growing in my yard,  me being the anti-pruner, I would not prune.....being greedy and wanting the earliest possible sizing of the tree and therefore most rapid fruiting.  However, in your setting even I would do some tip pruning.  You shouldn't lose or delay fruiting too badly, if at all, as the blooms do not come from the ends of the branches terminal buds.

Harry

It may be counter intuitive, but I've found that for certain trees like Biriba, pinching tips, encouraging lateral branching, (and branching period) induces reproductive growth faster than trees that are not ever pruned, which usually have less growing tips, and less chance of early fruition.

Always prune Rollinia, atemoya, soursop, sugar apple, illama, etc..in my opinion as a grower of these.

So, yes, you must prune these!!!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: More Custard Apples Parkland FL
« on: February 26, 2012, 03:31:38 PM »
how tall? how old?

10ft? 4yrs?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Picked a Rollinia today
« on: February 24, 2012, 04:36:35 PM »
Noel,

I notice when eating rollinia, that they are best harvested and eaten, when barley green at top of fruit, and still firm.

Even the deliciosa can turn in to a nasty mess of snotty looking fruit, that will turn off even some of the most avid fruit eaters, by texture and appearance alone.

The texture when eaten slightly firm is much better than if left to become fully ripe.

I notice you like your fruits fully yellow, have you ever tried eating them a bit earlier?

(and of course refrigerating them helps before eating, but I never like to chill any of my fruit...I like them all room temp, or right off the vine.)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« on: February 23, 2012, 06:49:59 PM »


I find that all bonsai specimens of M. jaboticaba (sabara, most typical variety cultivated here), they don't flower or hold fruit.

The reason is lack of water, due to not enough root mass, and substrate to draw moisture from...bonsai growers don't realize, but this tree could be sat in a deep dish, like an iris, and it would evoke the jaboticaba gods to induce a flowering cycle (i believe).

Have seen the hybrid Red, fruit as a bonsai, and I assume this plant could be a high dollar item, and a welcome adornment to any office desk.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Parking Lot Fruit! This one for Lycheeluva!
« on: February 23, 2012, 06:19:05 PM »
I know down south Mango is parking lot fruit! I see em all the time, usually tommy atkins and haden..all pretty but taste schmidty. :-X

Here in Central FL, you would be so surprised to see all the 20-30ft mango trees with blooms!!!  Always protected perfectly, and thriving well, contradicting natural laws!

I have taken some pics, but haven't taken the time to upload them, so you must take my word instead. :)


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Parking Lot Fruit! This one for Lycheeluva!
« on: February 23, 2012, 06:02:16 PM »
i have never seen any fruit tree growing in a public lot. id give my left tit to be able to amble into parking lots to feast on loquats, guava and other goodies

Whats shipping cost?  Less than a tit!

Just have a buddy pickem and sendem!

Loquats typically don't ship well, but it can be done.  Ive seen much more fragile fruit mailed.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« on: February 23, 2012, 05:17:28 PM »
Just realized that your photo is of the bonsai. Anyway this is not a different cultivar of starapple. It is a different species: different leaves, different flowers, different shaped tree.
Never have seen a starapple bonsai here. We have a large japanese population in Hawaii and i go to their bonsai shows. Most common fruit bonsais here are jaboticaba and surinam cherry.
Oscar

Have you ever seen a jaboticaba bonsai hold fruits?

Thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Parking Lot Fruit! This one for Lycheeluva!
« on: February 23, 2012, 05:10:49 PM »
I remember Lychee saying. "what is a parking lot fruit"

Well here is the answer! Loquat.. is one, and a parking lot fruit is found in parking lots, near office buildings, all over central FL...something we take for granite here!  I didn't realize that the luxury of these healthful fruits being in abundance and for free, isn't available to those in NY...like Lycheeluva...God bless his amazing collection up there!

I'm wondering what you'd consider a parking lot fruit by you?  All sorts of nuts, but any cherries, or apples you eat? Finding them around NY, near offices and such?  Here is citrus, ptanga, loquat, cattley guava, jelly palm, avocado, and a few others I'm forgetting...

Just curious!

Thanks!





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: wampee Clausena lansium
« on: February 23, 2012, 04:05:19 PM »
Where did Edslef go?   ??? :'(

I hear you can root cuttings just like citrus...keep humid, and happy I guess, not too wet either! Acid well drained mix, Peat, sand, pine bark.

Good luck

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: More Custard Apples Parkland FL
« on: February 23, 2012, 02:37:37 PM »
Nice,

Looks like a short tree...how tall? how old?

10ft? 4yrs?

I'd see why you'd say they are cold tolerant now!

It would be neat if this one was more cold tolerant than most!

Maybe we can set a small plant next to this tree, of a different variety A.reticulata, to see if there is a difference.

Thanks for posting pics! :)


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« on: February 23, 2012, 02:34:35 PM »
Oscar, do you know if it can be grafted on caimito?

It can

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The soil has been called clay-like and alkaline by a landscape company when I first moved in. I've added different things over the years to improve it. I never really followed any schedule when I made the amendments. I've dumped many bags of "compost" (bought at Home Depot), calcium sulfate, steer manure, chicken manure. These were done at different times over the last 4 years. It must have helped some, because last month when I was planting a persimmon, I noticed there were more earthworms, and the ground was easier to dig. In addition to the "amendments" above, I also dumped grass cuttings and all the leaves that fell off from the trees where they are, to act like a mulch layer. So what do you guys think? Should I use "compost" again, or the manure, or anything else?

Thanks,

Have you looked at the literature on www.ecofriendlyonline.com ?

There are all sorts of small organisms that enhance a plants over all ability to cope with improper ph, and other complex environmental factors.

When your trees are struggling with yellow leaves and reduced vigor, due to improper growing conditions, consider things like:

mycorrhiza

Humic and Fulvic Acids

Lignin

Natural Carbon

Trace Elements


These are things, that the product I rant and rave about, contains!

I don't see why more people wouldn't prefer to use fertilizers and supplements, that are eco friendly, and safe to get all over a baby duck, your dog/cat, or even your kids, or your own face!  :blank: fill in the blank!

Oh well, I know the world won't be organic, and that poison ivy is organic...and lethal...so to each their own...just grow fruits that taste good, and aren't radio-active :o :'(     ;)

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Had more flowers, but temp dip of around 50F, with wind... messed things up!

Only have around 2 or 3 flowers that are making it to blooming phase, but looks like the tree will continue to flower when the warm weather picks up!

The harvest moon does look like it will flower very soon, I have my fingers and my eyes crossed (from looking too close at these branches for flowers!)

I keep you fiends posted :D

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Ilama (Annona diversifolia)
« on: February 22, 2012, 09:57:48 AM »
Make sure to buy a hacksaw and novicaine to!  They are going to need one of your arms, and also a leg.   ;)

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The folks that run Pine Island Nursery still have me steamed over the name change of the patented 'Young' mango.  Now that they have the facts, they refuse to call it by the correct name.  Talking about a marketing ploy!

That would make sense Mr Young! They switched names on your mango!

I never knew this! Thanks for pointing it out!  I thought they just created it.

I will honor your name, and always call them "Young". ;D

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