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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Breeding Cherimoyas/Atemoyas?
« Last post by Samu on Today at 03:23:46 AM »


Hi Simon, Iíve been reading this thread as of late and find it very interesting. Your photos with labels on the flowersí stalks caught my eye the other day, since I too, did some labeling starting this yearís flowering season. But, I donít have a well defined methodology, goals and ambitions nor the scientific background like you though, but simply put, I am just trying to get a better fruit with any combinations flower/pollen that I have on hand.

Since my 5 annona trees with multiple varieties scions on them are gotten a little bigger this year, thus giving me more pollens to work with, Iíve been doing some selective hand pollinations myself, that is:
1.pollinating the flowers of a variety with itís own variety pollens: hoping to produce the true fruits of such variety
2. pollinating the flowers of a variety with different variety pollens:
hoping to produce superior fruits of such combination. (and yes, I do the reversed procedure as well).

I label each pollinated flowerís stalks with my abbreviation letters showing the donorís  pollens origin. (I know the pollinated flowerís variety from where it is hanging at which branch).
So, yes, I have multiple pollen containers and individual separate brushes for them. And to help reduce some possible errors, I do this routine since the beginning of this yearís flowering season, (not enough flowers/pollens to play with last year) so hopefully I will have several fruits to compare; observe and to take notes/photos on from these varied combinations when harvesting time comes. 

Who knowsÖ, if such a variety combination in my yard can produce a new hybrid that is superior to that of itís original named variety, whether that be superiority in taste, size, form, color, skin; seed counts or Ö?
Thanks for sharing this annona breeding research Simon, I know we can all benefit from your effort!
Note: The varieties that Iíve been working on primarily are: African Pride, El Bumpo, Orton, Doctor White and ďAusie" Atemoya.

Thanks for sharing your annona breeding experiments Simon, I know we can all benefit from your effort!
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Breeding Cherimoyas/Atemoyas?
« Last post by CA Hockey on Today at 02:58:37 AM »
I had a coochie island tree last year (that's how it was written on the pot so that's the spelling I'm sticking with). burnt in July and never grew back.

The nurseryman who sold it told me it was a cherimoya x atemoya hybrid. It was multigrafted with anothe hybrid - satin... something or other. That also died. The whole tree died all of a sudden. At the time I didn't know how sensitive to heat they could be. It was a very small multi-grafted tree.

-K

Thanks everyone,

Mark, I honestly have no idea how close the seedlings of Leo Hybrid #3 will come true to the parent Fruit. If you need actual scions, Brad and I should have more next year.

I just sampled a Koochie Island Annona, I believe itís an Atemoya but not sure. The Fruit was over a pound and only had 6 seeds. This fruit was actually quite good but just lacked a bit of acidity although it did have some.

I want to find an Annona that will add the following characteristics to my cultivar Iím trying to create:
Self Fruitful
Fewer seeds
Good flavor/acidity that Atemoyas tend to lack
Size averaging minimum of 1 pound

Leos Hybrid #3 has not been tested long enough but itís the best thing I can find right now. The flavor is absolutely amazing but some fruit have very low seed counts and some fruit have higher seed counts. I also donít know if itís self fruitful at all locations. I hand pollinated my flowers for my experiments. Iíll tag a few flowers and not hand pollinate the flower to see if it sets fruit and also to see the seed count for unpollinated Fruit.

I would also like to use Australian varieties like Hilary White but I have never tasted the fruit before. I know HW can probably add size and fewer seeds but I donít want to take away from the flavor.

If anyone has the link to the thread that talked about  passing traits onto progeny based on wether the selected trait was from the pollen or the female, Iíd appreciate it.

Simon
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« Last post by CA Hockey on Today at 02:54:30 AM »
Nice looking grafts. One question though -- why graft way down low rather than allowing the rootstock to send a central leader and graft off of that? I have a couple of large multi- avos done in the second manner but only did that out of convenience. Is there an advantage to doing it the way you did it? I'd be worried about the balance of the tree if certain varieties grew very large or bulky.

-K


Filters - sounds good.  I quickly got rid of the one on the house in favor of Amiad.

If you look close, theres a black valve you fine tune the flow rate with on the inlet tube on the mazzei.

Yep, one of the two ways of adjusting the suction flow.

It's been one month since I grafted the avocado scions.   Here's 2 Lamb Hass, 2 Sharwil growing really well now and one Pinkerton just beginning to push.  Again, muchas grass.



Stewart on top of a Bacon seedling.  Will remove the Bacon shoots soon.
 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« Last post by CA Hockey on Today at 02:51:17 AM »
Hi Mark

Thanks for the thoughtful response.

I had a soils report done for engineering but not a soil analysis (unless it's in there somewhere). However, I did have a handful of nurserymen out here including one very prominent local guru who promotes specific soil types and he declared my soil 'good soil' but compacted in areas. There is some clay but it is not considered a clay soil... somewhere between loam and clay I figure.

However, the mangos died while in pots with various fast draining mixes and coco noir. I thought about sending a sample in to one of the ag extensions but never got around to it The death rate slowed down dramatically around the time of planting... although I have lost a couple of large branches on some trees but I think the process had already been in play. I've included a picture of one such tree where a lower branch is alive but higher main branch is dead. I've pruned most of the dead wood but didn't get around to this one yet.

I just threw some nutricote 100 and micromax around all the trees minus stone fruit yesterday (ran out). I figure a slow release would do them good, although I couldn't find the 360 year round version. I think I used polyon last year (green beads?). Maybe I'll just switch to that.

As for fertigation, I have the same system as Behl. I like it so far, but the main drawback is that I can't quite tell when it's empty. It doesn't really empty of concentrated fertilizer. It just slowly gets diluted with incoming water, which displaces a small percentage of the concentrate into the water line. I guess mine is supposed to empty every 10,000 gallons or so (my calculations may be off... I've got to sit down and think about it) and its hard for me to tell how many gallons are being used per day for landscaping. I can check to see if the liquid leaving the tank is colored or not but this doesn't seem like an accurate way of measuring. In any case, it's been over a month so I think it's time to at least check it.

I'll look into the water soluble fertilizer you recommended. I had thrown in grow-more 16-16-16 (or maybe all 20s -- I can't remember) in addition to Dr earth nitro 7-0-2 I think and fulvic acid.


Hi Brad

1) Trouble shooting mangoes. Trying to get them to grow and fruit and survive between growing seasons. I will try at least for the next few years.

Something's not right with your treatment of them.   Given the right conditions mangos should grow fast.   What food are they getting, what's the NPK?  IMO juvenile mangos need plenty of N, not K as pushed by mango growers in Florida.  I have fruited trees the following year they were grafted and that was by using only a slow release 18-4-9 food with micros called Polyon, a very high quality 12 mo. food used by golf course managers, nurserymen.  Everything in my greenhouse gets the same food.  It not only feeds them a little at a time but it sure cuts down on man hours.
 


BTW Khaled, is your soil clay based, heavy?

BTW, it's obvious you've spent a lot of time and money on this project.  I trust you based your decisions and choices using the results of a water and soil analysis?  Also, doing a leaf tissue analysis when in doubt can save you some heartache, time, and money.

In a previous post I said citrus prefers a 3-1-2 and recommended the Peters food, 25-5-15.  Actually it's a NPK of 5-1-3 which is the actual ratio processed by citrus via leaf/petiole tissue analysis.
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Hi everyone, this is my first time on this forum. I've already learned so much, thanks for all of the knowledge.

I live in New Zealand where it is possible to grow Annona fruit like cherimoya and atemoya. I have been searching for "Dream Annona" with no success.

Is there anyone out there willing to send Scion wood internationally at my risk, willing to pay for it. I know it's a long wait for Scion wood but if kept moist it could be possible.

Or is there anyone selling actual plants?

Thanks heaps for any word on the subject.
Nick
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Breeding Cherimoyas/Atemoyas?
« Last post by SoCal2warm on Today at 01:23:53 AM »
I may be wrong about this, but it was my understanding that Atemoya originally came about from a cross between A. squamosa (Sugar Apple) and either Cherimoya or A. reticulata (Custard Apple).
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I second what Fiddler says. If you know who's doing it, you''re much more likely to be able to do something about it. Trail cameras cost about $80 and work very well.
If it makes you feel better....i heard misery loves company....i had a thief takes bout 200 pounds of durians when they were still green. Could have sold them for $5 a pound. So about $1000 wasted.  :'(  Got photos, driver's license, even the name of the guy and the police is "still working on it" after several months. So don't expect police to do much about it. At least they don't care much about ag theft here.

https://me.me/i/r-luwuragong-such-nonsense-keith-budden-rayleigh-esser-round-like-3000451
Yeah, it's kinda like that here too. The prosecutor's office admitted to me that the thief was not being questioned in my case because all officers were busy with a case of a police officer being shot at. Maybe they will get to my case in about 2 years!  :o
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My best pineapple season yet
« Last post by simon_grow on Today at 12:47:16 AM »
Beautiful Fruit Gary, what variety is it? My White Pineapples wonít be ready for about another 5 months. Pineapples are such fun fruit to grow.

Simon
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How big does the tree get? Vigorous? Medium-vigor? Also, is it productive?
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: IDIOT MANGO THIEVES - SOLUTIONS WANTED
« Last post by palmcity on Today at 12:26:35 AM »
I second what Fiddler says. If you know who's doing it, you''re much more likely to be able to do something about it. Trail cameras cost about $80 and work very well.
If it makes you feel better....i heard misery loves company....i had a thief takes bout 200 pounds of durians when they were still green. Could have sold them for $5 a pound. So about $1000 wasted.  :'(  Got photos, driver's license, even the name of the guy and the police is "still working on it" after several months. So don't expect police to do much about it. At least they don't care much about ag theft here.

https://me.me/i/r-luwuragong-such-nonsense-keith-budden-rayleigh-esser-round-like-3000451
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