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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #150 on: December 17, 2016, 11:12:15 PM »
Adam. How can I contact you to claim the anomaly seed? thanks

I'm working my way down the list, but it's going to take me a while to finish all the requests.

Please send me an email now, to flyingfoxfruits@gmail.com, and make the subject "Anomaly lottery"

and I will start the process of filling your order

thanks
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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #151 on: December 17, 2016, 11:31:44 PM »
Thanks Adam. Just sent you the email.

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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #152 on: April 13, 2017, 02:22:58 PM »
any update on this? seedlings and graft you planted retained same characteristics? any seed or plant available for sale? Thanks!

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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #153 on: December 04, 2017, 02:51:27 PM »
so...it's been a little less than 2y, since I grafted a small scion off of the "Anomaly" seedling, i remember the cutting i took was not more than 4mm in diameter, and if i'm not mistaken, it had not flowered yet (the mother tree had been flowering, but not the actual branch i took)...

as of now, the mother tree has been flowering continually for 2yrs straight, never taking a complete break, but definitely has biggest crops during winter, and spring, with production lagging during late summer/fall....and sometimes the tree will set lots of fruits, and other times, it will not set any at all, i think it depends on the environmental conditions quite a bit.

because the tree was so precocious, and bloomed so prolifically, i thought i might get lucky, with the grafted tree fruiting in about 1y from the time it was made...but it ended up taking about 22-23 month for the grafted tree to show signs of reproductive growth,

here is a recent photo of the mother tree, flowering up a storm per usual...

and also some photos of the first grafted tree I made from the Anomaly, with flowers emerging after approx. 2y from grafting.  It looks like it's going to be blooming in several places, I'm excited to see how it behaves as a grafted tree...it's vigor is noticeably improved when it's growing on Sabara roots.











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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #154 on: December 04, 2017, 11:57:12 PM »
Awesome! I love seeing pictures of that little "Anomaly" monster.
Your posts encouraged me to graft a bunch of Sabara  seedlings and I had a really good success rate with 4 varieties from branches that already fruited. Thanks Plinia Prince , or have you graduated to a loftier Jabo centric title at this point?

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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #155 on: December 05, 2017, 01:00:33 PM »
Awesome! I love seeing pictures of that little "Anomaly" monster.
Your posts encouraged me to graft a bunch of Sabara  seedlings and I had a really good success rate with 4 varieties from branches that already fruited. Thanks Plinia Prince , or have you graduated to a loftier Jabo centric title at this point?

thanks Jonah!

glad to hear u are grafting Plinias, it's really not that hard, especially if you aren't using super thick scions.

I'm trying to move as fast as I can, to get this variety released to the public, but I just realized it was something special around 2y ago, and it takes years of observation to figure out how the plant will behave.

I'm learning more about the juvenility period of Plinia grafts, and finding out which ones fruit fastest, and how to graft them so they will fruit faster. 

I'm hoping to use some mature scions from the Anomaly next season, I still want to see a small grafted plant (single graft, not multiple grafts, which usually fruit faster) flowering in 1y.

I've been able to get Myrciarias to flower this way, but not yet any of the Plinias, which seem to fruit on older wood.

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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #156 on: December 06, 2017, 11:27:45 AM »
beautiful pic's of your "Anomaly" jabo Adam, love all the great pictures you've post on your little (now getting bigger) jabo that could!!
Keep up the great work ;) 8)

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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #157 on: December 09, 2017, 04:08:21 AM »
Dear friend 
 Are you have any tropical fruit plants seeds for sale ?

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Re: unusually precocious jaboticaba seedling, less than 3 ft tall
« Reply #158 on: December 09, 2017, 09:19:17 PM »
Solko,

i have only heard hearsay accounts, and never any concrete evidence, but the sources in Brazil that I rely on for information say it's a hybrid of M. aureana, and M. cauliflora.

for some reason I remember hearing that is was created in Japan? (maybe I'm crazy?)

I believe the seeds are nucellar (poly).

but they seem extremely stable...with barely any variation noticeable after planting thousands of seeds...maybe 10-20 specimens appear to be unique.

some could be new mutations, or they could also be the result of a chance hybridization...at least 4 species that are capable of hybridizing were fruiting in close proximity.

It would be great to create some hybrids...I just need to buckle down and make another solid attempt!

last time I attempted to hand pollinate Grimal flowers with White pollen, and I was so excited when I got seeds from the fruit...of course all 3 seeds rotted when planted them!!  I must have gave them too much attention!  There must be a bacteria on my hands that spread to the seeds, lol...i kept touching the pot, to pick it up, and look for my germinating seeds... :( 



Hi Adam,

Do you know more about the history of the Red Jaboticaba? I understood that the cross was a recent one. Are the seeds nucellar? If the Red is indeed a hybrid of two different species of Jaboticaba, and the seeds are not nucellar, it is very normal to see more diversity and variation expressed in the third, fourth and fifth generation of offspring, then in the first, or second of the original cross. This is due to the fact that any combination of genes that paired up as Xx in the original cross - X from one parent, and x from the other, always only express the big X - quality.
Only in later generations of this hybrid crossing again with itself will you see a small percentage of xx combinations surface, together with XX, Xx and xX, which will all look the same. And that goes for every different quality of the two original parents.

So I think you have a valuable little variation in your hands here. Especially if you want to do some breeding work with Jaboticaba's, it will be very useful to cross this one with other species. Because the benefit of getting crosses that have a short flowering cycle will enable you to raise three or four generations - that is three or four controlled crosses, in the time you usually can only do one. And for Jaboticaba's that is very important, since in a human lifetime for some species, you only get the chance to do three crosses.

If you can get this precocious flowering gene into other species of Jaboticaba it may save them from extinction. Just by making Jaboticaba's a more economically interesting plant.

There are also breeders who use a very precocious variety in crosses to create a new hybrid, that, once the short flowering gene has enabled you to improve the variety quickly, by selecting through three or four generations, arrive at a final plant that doesn't have to contain the short flowering gene itself. It just has better fruit and disease resistance.

Good luck!
The rumor is that the hybrid red was the product of a Japanese grower in Brazil. (There are very many Japanese immigrants in Japan, and a lot of them went there to farm.)
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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #159 on: December 09, 2017, 11:44:21 PM »
Brasil has the largest Japanese population outside Japan. The first wave of Japanese immigrants went to Brasil starting in 1903. The Japanese population is well respected and admired in Brasil.

 

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