Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety

[simon_grow]

That's a special tree Adam! I hope you graft up a bunch of them and sell them for a pretty penny and build up your business. Jaboticabas are awesome but they take so long to fruit and by the time they are large enough to fruit consistently, they are usually pretty good size trees that can be difficult to move around if grown in a pot.

This special selection you have is already fruiting and the constant fruiting will keep it small, perhaps dwarf. I hope you market this selection really well if it's traits are passed on when it's grafted. You've done so much for Jaboticaba, the Jaboticaba gods are paying you back.

Simon

[FlyingFoxFruits]

That's a special tree Adam! I hope you graft up a bunch of them and sell them for a pretty penny and build up your business. Jaboticabas are awesome but they take so long to fruit and by the time they are large enough to fruit consistently, they are usually pretty good size trees that can be difficult to move around if grown in a pot.

This special selection you have is already fruiting and the constant fruiting will keep it small, perhaps dwarf. I hope you market this selection really well if it's traits are passed on when it's grafted. You've done so much for Jaboticaba, the Jaboticaba gods are paying you back.

Simon

thank you Simon!

I'm curious to see how the seeds perform...I have a few growing, and they don't seem to be as vigorous as the red jabo.
 
I grafted one tree (just to make sure I have a back up, and to see how long it takes to flower from grafting).  So far the grafted tree grows much faster than the seedling. I will be interested to observe the difference in vigor, and growth habit.

[Solko]

That's a special tree Adam! I hope you graft up a bunch of them and sell them for a pretty penny and build up your business. Jaboticabas are awesome but they take so long to fruit and by the time they are large enough to fruit consistently, they are usually pretty good size trees that can be difficult to move around if grown in a pot.

This special selection you have is already fruiting and the constant fruiting will keep it small, perhaps dwarf. I hope you market this selection really well if it's traits are passed on when it's grafted. You've done so much for Jaboticaba, the Jaboticaba gods are paying you back.

Simon

+1 

That is a really beautiful find, Adam, and I am glad you found it, after all the effort you put into learning how to grow this genus. I really think you have got something special here. If she grows faster on other roots, than that would be even more interesting. You could find the ideal combination of a continuous fruiting top and vigorous rootstock.

This for once is a real candidate to name and maybe even register under a trademark. I don't want to anticipate the future, but if she turns out to be this productive and taste good and grow well and worry free, than you found something good! Thanks for sharing all your experience and knowledge Adam.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Has been fruiting/flowering nonstop for 11 months now (approx 4yr old, 2ft tall)! I have yet to see another seedling that fruits so much, at such a small size, with as many blooms!

[Mike T]

I gave a friend a red hybrid which lives in a pot and fruited at a very small size and young age.My much larger plants in the ground are yet to open their accounts. In many species it seems to happen where an odd individual fruits a much smaller size or younger age than is typical.One ambaraella I had flowered at 6 inches high and about 3 months old.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

I gave a friend a red hybrid which lives in a pot and fruited at a very small size and young age.My much larger plants in the ground are yet to open their accounts. In many species it seems to happen where an odd individual fruits a much smaller size or younger age than is typical.One ambaraella I had flowered at 6 inches high and about 3 months old.

yes yes, i've seen quite a few lucky growers who got a red jabo to fruit very young, but it's always an isolated patch of blooms, never the whole tree covered from stem to stern...my tree has blooms on smaller branches, and down to the dirt...with such intensity I've never seen...also, this seedling is not quite the same as the red...the foliage is different, and the growth rate is much slower...

I'm really curious to see how the tree performs once it's grafted...it would be nice if the scions fruited in less than a year...i have one tree now, about 3-4 month from grafting, it looks like it's on course to fruit in less than a year...but time will tell.... so far the grafted tree seems to grow quicker than the mother tree...the sabara rootstock really helps.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

check out this time lapse:

Oct 28 2015




Nov 5 2015


Nov 9 2015


Nov 22 2015


Dec 16 2015





Dec 18 2015


Dec 31 2015



Feb 9 2016




March 7 2016






April 19 2016



April 23 2016



April 27 2016


May 2 2016


May 5 2016


May 7 2016

 
May 25-26




after fruit picked



June 10 2016


July 5 2016







Sept 3 2016


to be continued! 

[Mike T]

I have a couple of red hybrids that look just like than minus the flowers. Maybe I should hit them with potassium sulphate. I also have much larger ones that clearly are dragging their sorry asses.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

I have a couple of red hybrids that look just like than minus the flowers. Maybe I should hit them with potassium sulphate. I also have much larger ones that clearly are dragging their sorry asses.

Lol, I have never seen any red jabo (or Plinia of any sort) flower like this anomalous seedling..the foliage is different than the red , and the bark has a crazy gnarled appearance, from whence the majority of reproductive growth emerges.

[nullzero]

Adam,

Should do a breeding project with this tree. Take the pollen and cross it with a white jabo maybe, would be interesting offspring.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Adam,

Should do a breeding project with this tree. Take the pollen and cross it with a white jabo maybe, would be interesting offspring.

Yes my sentiments exactly ...
I wanted to try with the Grimal, but I didn't have the courage to molest the flowers ... U gotta cut them open...then pollinate them ... Maybe I will try next time I have some Grimals blooming.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

the tree kept flowering for a whole year non-stop, always having blooms...and producing lots of fruit for a small tree.

It looks like it's about to bloom heavily again soon.

[simon_grow]

That's awesome Adam! How are your grafted trees doing? Do any of them have signs of flowering?

Simon

[FlyingFoxFruits]

That's awesome Adam! How are your grafted trees doing? Do any of them have signs of flowering?

Simon

thanks Simon...the one i grafted is really growing well...it doesn't have burnt leaf tips like the mother tree...and seems to grow a little quicker on Sabara roots...still no signs of flowers, but it could happen this winter.

I will post pics if and when it finally does.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

updated pic from today.  The tree still continues to bloom heavily, I think a decent crop could be on the way for winter.


small branches blooming

[Cookie Monster]

That's awesome. Did you maybe give it some triple super phosphate? Per Al Will, you can induce precocity with a dose of TSP.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

That's awesome. Did you maybe give it some triple super phosphate? Per Al Will, you can induce precocity with a dose of TSP.

Thanks Jeff.

I never used anything but espoma and chelated Fe.

I kind of neglected the tree after the 2nd year, and didn't expect it do anything....but when I noticed it flowering so small at 3yr old less than 2 ft tall, I gave it more attention, trying to speed up growth...but it's been really slow.

[Cookie Monster]

Interesting. You should graft that one.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Interesting. You should graft that one.

I planted seeds, but turns out the seeds are hard to grow.  The leaf tips get burnt, and they lack vigor...I don't know why...but they are much harder to keep alive than Red jaboticaba.

the mother tree grows so slow, I haven't been able to take as many scions as I'd like.

but i have managed to take one decent sized scion, about the size of a chopstick...I grafted that about 6 month ago? i'd have to check my records....but the tree grows so much better on sabara roots...the growth rate seems almost twice as fast, and the leaf tips are not burnt.  I was really hoping the grafted tree would produce flowers in less than 1 yr...but I still have about 6 months before time runs out.

here is a pic of the grafted version as of today (looks like it could flower this winter, but it's hard to predict how it will behave on sabara roots)

[Cookie Monster]

Very nice. Keep us updated on the grafted tree.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Very nice. Keep us updated on the grafted tree.

thank you Jeff....yes of course, will keep the group posted on the progress of the grafted tree (and of course the mother tree, and it's seedlings). 

I think I will start to sell seeds from the mother tree, I'd like to see how they perform for other growers.  I have such poor success keeping them happy.

[Cookie Monster]

Yah, even the normal sabara can be a pain to keep happy here in my area. The only tree that is still a little chlorotic in my orchard is the big jabo.

For the burnt leaves thing, my suspicion was that it was fungal. So I sprayed copper, and after a few applications, the problem went away. I still don't know whether it was a Cu deficiency or a fungal infection. But he problem (which plagued both trees for years) is not gone.

I also have to consistently hit both with a good minors mix. And they won't fruit much unless I feed them triple super phosphate.

Very nice. Keep us updated on the grafted tree.

thank you Jeff....yes of course, will keep the group posted on the progress of the grafted tree (and of course the mother tree, and it's seedlings). 

I think I will start to sell seeds from the mother tree, I'd like to see how they perform for other growers.  I have such poor success keeping them happy.

[Galka]

Very nice. Keep us updated on the grafted tree.

thank you Jeff....yes of course, will keep the group posted on the progress of the grafted tree (and of course the mother tree, and it's seedlings). 

I think I will start to sell seeds from the mother tree, I'd like to see how they perform for other growers.  I have such poor success keeping them happy.

Yes, yes, yes.  Put me on the list, please. 

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Very nice. Keep us updated on the grafted tree.

thank you Jeff....yes of course, will keep the group posted on the progress of the grafted tree (and of course the mother tree, and it's seedlings). 

I think I will start to sell seeds from the mother tree, I'd like to see how they perform for other growers.  I have such poor success keeping them happy.

Yes, yes, yes.  Put me on the list, please. 

for sure, I will post pics of the next crop it holds, and will post when seeds are available....they will be expensive, but no minimum order $5 ea...u can buy just one seed...and I will even throw in a free red jaboticaba seed for each seed purchased, so you can compare growth habit.

[Galka]

Great, Adam. :-)