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Yuzu... my new obsession!
« on: November 17, 2017, 05:31:53 AM »
I read there are several varieties of Yuzu. I'm more interested about the seedless variety, but i don't know if it is a true yuzu... In Europe i don't see the yuzu varieties, just the usual one... any help?  ;D

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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2017, 05:47:32 PM »
Do you have the usual typ of yuzu?

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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2017, 01:58:59 AM »
Some fruits of Hana Yuzu (from Eisenhut as Sudachi)
Hana Yuzu aka Sudachi by hebamme.lena, on Flickr

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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2017, 08:54:18 AM »
The seedless Yuzu or Nishiki (tada) is extremely hard to find outside of Japan - as are the true Yuko and Sudachi - and it seems to me that most people in Europe who have either of them are not very keen on sharing.. :-\  You could also try Kabosu (C. sphaerocarpa) which is currently available from Adavo and is also used in cuisine.
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2017, 10:37:18 AM »
The seedless Yuzu or Nishiki (tada) is extremely hard to find outside of Japan - as are the true Yuko and Sudachi - and it seems to me that most people in Europe who have either of them are not very keen on sharing.. :-\  You could also try Kabosu (C. sphaerocarpa) which is currently available from Adavo and is also used in cuisine.
Thank's a lot for your tips! What do you think about this one? I'm thinking to buy this one: http://www.citrusandlife.com/en/nursery/51-yuzu.html
Do you know another better variety of yuzu with more juice and less seeds? Thank's!  ;D

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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2017, 10:37:53 AM »
Do you have the usual typ of yuzu?
No i don't have any yuzu yet...  ;D

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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2017, 11:03:30 AM »
Here is a picture of mine. Unfortunately no fruits this year.



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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2017, 11:30:51 AM »
Here is a picture of mine. Unfortunately no fruits this year.


That's very beautifull! Congratulations. What kind of yuzu is?   ;D

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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2017, 11:56:28 AM »
Thank, just the common typ.

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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2017, 12:27:38 PM »
Thank, just the common typ.
I see it's very difficult to get other than the common one here...  :)

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2017, 04:36:23 AM »
The seedless Yuzu or Nishiki (tada) is extremely hard to find outside of Japan - as are the true Yuko and Sudachi - and it seems to me that most people in Europe who have either of them are not very keen on sharing.. :-\  You could also try Kabosu (C. sphaerocarpa) which is currently available from Adavo and is also used in cuisine.
Thank's a lot for your tips! What do you think about this one? I'm thinking to buy this one: http://www.citrusandlife.com/en/nursery/51-yuzu.html
Do you know another better variety of yuzu with more juice and less seeds? Thank's!  ;D

I have never ordered there, since they only ship to EU countries but it looks ok.

Mind you much of what I write here is not personal experience. I only have Hana Yuzu.
Ichang lemon has more juice than Yuzu but, of course, it is not a Yuzu. I think it is still worth a try. Hana Yuzu has fewer seeds than the normal one but also smaller fruit and the fragrance is less powerful. The seedless Yuzu would be best but it is almost impossible to find.

Check out this link with a lot of information about different Yuzu types: http://forum-agrumes.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=41&sid=7cbbc5468736366e413e2a79d67ccd9c

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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2017, 09:06:30 AM »
The seedless Yuzu or Nishiki (tada) is extremely hard to find outside of Japan - as are the true Yuko and Sudachi - and it seems to me that most people in Europe who have either of them are not very keen on sharing.. :-\  You could also try Kabosu (C. sphaerocarpa) which is currently available from Adavo and is also used in cuisine.
Thank's a lot for your tips! What do you think about this one? I'm thinking to buy this one: http://www.citrusandlife.com/en/nursery/51-yuzu.html
Do you know another better variety of yuzu with more juice and less seeds? Thank's!  ;D

I have never ordered there, since they only ship to EU countries but it looks ok.

Mind you much of what I write here is not personal experience. I only have Hana Yuzu.
Ichang lemon has more juice than Yuzu but, of course, it is not a Yuzu. I think it is still worth a try. Hana Yuzu has fewer seeds than the normal one but also smaller fruit and the fragrance is less powerful. The seedless Yuzu would be best but it is almost impossible to find.

Check out this link with a lot of information about different Yuzu types: http://forum-agrumes.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=41&sid=7cbbc5468736366e413e2a79d67ccd9c
Thank's a lot for your reply! This spanish seller got the trees from Holland. They seams very nice and as the purpose of them is sell fruit i think they should be nice. I just see seedless yuzu trees on Japan...
https://global.rakuten.com/en/store/chigusa/item/686650/

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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2017, 10:50:55 AM »
They are selling seeds of a seedless Yuzu?  I am just asking :)

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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2017, 11:04:42 AM »
They are selling seeds of a seedless Yuzu?  I am just asking :)
What from the spanish seller? This yuzus are not seedless...  ;D

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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2017, 11:18:36 AM »
Seeds of a seedless yuzu!  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2017, 11:58:46 AM »
Is the Nishiki Tada actually a real Yuzu without seeds, or is it just called a yuzu?

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« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2017, 02:24:33 PM »
It is a variety of mukaku Yuzu, seedless yuzu.
The defect ( chromosome asynapsis) is genetic  and results in defective ovules and pollen.
The taste of fruits  is close to Yuzu, although the juice and peels have somewhat different composition.

Japanese article with English summary and comparative tables.
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« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2017, 03:18:39 PM »
It is a variety of mukaku Yuzu, seedless yuzu.
The defect ( chromosome asynapsis) is genetic  and results in defective ovules and pollen.
The taste of fruits  is close to Yuzu, although the juice and peels have somewhat different composition.

Japanese article with English summary and comparative tables.
Thank's a lot for your reply! Do you know any source? Thank's!  ;D

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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2017, 05:03:23 PM »
Not really, but I am searching :D
Some short descriptions for more Yuzu varieties can be found here
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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2017, 02:32:58 AM »
on Jauce you can find japanese grower selling their fruits. They send worldwide. If you are allowed to import Citrus it might be a source for seeds. But for EU Citizen it won`t work...

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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2017, 06:06:39 AM »
Thank's a lot for all the info!  ;)

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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2017, 10:02:28 AM »
> The seedless Yuzu or Nishiki (tada) is extremely hard to find outside of Japan - as are the true Yuko.
In France, in private collections,  you can find everything you want.
A yuko in my garden:


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« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2017, 10:49:14 AM »
> The seedless Yuzu or Nishiki (tada) is extremely hard to find outside of Japan - as are the true Yuko.
In France, in private collections,  you can find everything you want.
A yoko in my garden:



They are very beautifull, congratulations! Your yuzus have less seeds? Thank's!  ;D

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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2017, 10:53:04 AM »
The Yuko A Native Japanese Cirus
http://www.tokyofoundation.org/en/topics/japanese-traditional-foods/vol.-11-the-yuko-a-native-japanese-citrus
Yuzus are so beautifull trees... in fact the only less of this fruit is the huge number of seeds. I just don't get why Japanese don't export nishiki tada trees to Europe and US!  :-\

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« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2017, 05:45:34 AM »
Another one that i'm trying to find but's i couldn't untill now it's the dekopon mandarine. If there are anyone that knows a place that sells it, please tell me. Thank's!  ;D

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« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2017, 02:53:16 PM »
Dekopon is a fantastic tasting fruit.
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« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2017, 03:40:47 PM »
Dekopon is a fantastic tasting fruit.
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Thank's my friend! Yes it seams to, but impossible to get here in Europe... I'm thinking to grow it by seed because it's nucellar. I will hask if anyone that have it can share some seeds with me...  ;D

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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2017, 10:31:10 PM »
Louisport, too bad you did not mention wanting a Dekpon seed before the Citrus Expo.  The Dekopon on the judging table had a couple plump seeds.  I could have taken one and sent it to you.   I have two Dekopon trees, one growing in the ground, and one as a container tree.  If I find a seed I'll post it here.
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« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2017, 12:38:55 AM »
I'd sure love to have a dekopon seed or two too, Millet :D.

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« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2017, 04:34:34 AM »
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Your yuzus have less seeds?
What do you mean? The pictures are from a yuko (I corrected the typo), not from a yuzu.
My yuzus are hon yuzus (the common yuzu) and have many seeds but I don't care because the main interest of yuzus is the zest.

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« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2017, 05:38:11 AM »
Louisport, to bad you did not mention wanting a Dekpon seed before the Citrus Expo.  The Dekopon on the judging table had a couple plump seeds.  I could have taken one and sent it to you.   I have two Dekopon trees, one growing in the ground, and one as a container tree.  If I find a seed I'll post it here.
Thank's a lot my friend! I will wait for your seeds. You are my only hope...  ;D

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« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2017, 05:40:15 AM »
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Your yuzus have less seeds?
What do you mean? The pictures are from a yuko (I corrected the typo), not from a yuzu.
My yuzus are hon yuzus (the common yuzu) and have many seeds but I don't care because the main interest of yuzus is the zest.
Hi! My friend i don't know, my knowlege regarding yuzu is very basic. I don't know much about yuzu varieties...  ;D

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« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2017, 02:06:01 PM »
Two years ago, I bought this Yuzu.

It has quite small leaves and some large thorns.

It was only this year, when I was told, that its grown from seed and has not yet fruited. Therefore, I acquired another Yuzu. The new plant has much larger leaves and small thorns. I suppose, this is the Yuzu most widely grown in European citrus collections. 

A comparison of the Yuzu plants. Both are grafted on trifoliate citrus.


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« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2017, 02:54:43 PM »
The second one looks much better...  ;D Congratulations!

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« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2017, 03:35:45 PM »
The first one is definitely not a Yuzu. Some papeda, probably ichangensis.
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« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2017, 03:53:00 PM »
Another Japanese hibrid using yuzu that seams very interesting is the hyuganatzu... but impossible to get i think.  :)

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« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2017, 12:47:35 AM »
I believe Hyuganatsu is probably a hybrid between Buntan (pomelo) and yuzu. However, there's no information about whether it demonstrates any unusual cold hardiness.

I planted a pomelo and yuzu right next to each other so hopefully in a few years I can try to see if any of the seeds turn out to be a hybrid.

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« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2017, 02:35:35 AM »
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« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2017, 04:39:15 AM »
The first one is definitely not a Yuzu. Some papeda, probably ichangensis.

Indeed, the plants are very different. Beside the differences already mentioned, the first plant has distinctive pale green leaves. Further, the citrusy smell of crushed leaves is not as perceivable as in the true Yuzu.

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« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2017, 09:53:13 AM »
Thank's!  ;D

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« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2017, 02:19:04 PM »
@Heinrich where did you buy the plants? Are they from Hrn Meeder?

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« Reply #42 on: November 27, 2017, 09:16:54 AM »
Eugen Schleipfer

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« Reply #43 on: November 27, 2017, 01:39:44 PM »
also keine Yuzu Strada Montana :)

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« Reply #44 on: November 28, 2017, 03:58:47 AM »
can't be Yuzu Strada Montana, because my plant isn't mature yet.

 

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