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Title: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on February 01, 2012, 08:39:55 PM
Jeff, If you don't mind I'd like to start this new thread here with an old post of yours on GW.  I found your post to be very informative & helpful.  Hope it helps other members here as well. 

Other members with extensive grafting experience and superior skills, please feel free to share your grafting expertise & techniques with the rest of us noobs  ;D

If you can graft then you can just topwork the trees you don't like. The basic technique is simple:
Step 0) Hack the tree back to about 3 or 4 feet tall. For the mango, you want to do this around May.
Step 1) Wait until new sprouts come out. When they are about pencil thickness, select the 2 or 3 shoots that you want to graft. I try to find ones that are evenly spaced out.
Step 2) Side veneer graft the shoots and cover with parafilm.
Step 3) The scions should break through the parafilm in 3 to 4 weeks. Once they harden off, cut off the top of the 'rootstock', leaving just the scion (as you would a traditional potted side veneer graft).
Step 4) Gradually start eliminating the ungrafted sprouts, forcing all of the tree's energy into the newly grafted sciones.
Step 5) Tip the new growth on the scions for each growth spurt (cut like a 1/2 inch below the tip). Tipping helps to calm the new growth down and will allow your newly topworked tree to come back into production quicker. Growth spurts will come fast and furious, so you'll have to be tipping every 3 weeks or so.

Most people freak when you do this sort of thing, but the mango tree has no problem with it. Also, since the tree has an established root system and a thick trunk with good carbohydrate reserves, it will grow extremely rapidly.
Title: Re: Grafting / Topworking mature trees
Post by: Cookie Monster on February 01, 2012, 11:35:48 PM
:-) It's a much better idea to top-work an unwanted tree rather than yank it and replant. You can also top-work with more than one cultivar. I'm currently top-working a ~5 year old carrie to Sweet Tart + Harvest Moon. I'll post the pic's as it develops.
Title: Re: Grafting / Topworking mature trees
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on February 02, 2012, 08:52:04 AM
Hmmmm...I seem to have heard that option recently!  Jeff, is there any reason why you wait for the tree to sprout and graft onto those instead of grafting the scions directly to the sawn off branch...much like we do with apples?  a sort of wedge graft where a "V" is notched out at the cut into the wood.  The scion is cut in a wedge and trimmed to fit.  It is then squeezed into the cut until it is very tight with cambiums matched. 

Here's a video demonstrating this technique.  It's very interesting.  I believe this is Axel from the Cloudforest forum.  He is a master grafter.
Top Working an Old Apple tree (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yty_MfVYa5c#)
Title: Re: Grafting / Topworking mature trees
Post by: Cookie Monster on February 02, 2012, 11:10:31 AM
I haven't had success doing it that way. If you wait for it to sprout, success is in the near-100% range.

Jeff
Title: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jacob13 on February 17, 2012, 08:13:45 PM
Hello Friends,

I got some seeds from Jeff (Thank You) about a year ago, after I was sold what I thought was a "Genova Red", but ended up being some kind of other Annona.  I now have 4 ilama 'Fairchild' Seedlings that are about 6" - 8" inches tall.  They have been very slow growing, but hopefully as it warms up they will start to grow more quickly.  They all look like that are about to push new growth.

I am going to try and graft some "Genova Red" scions to my unknown Annona in the next few days.  Any suggestions?

- Jacob
Title: Re: Grafting illama question
Post by: Guanabanus on February 26, 2012, 09:52:46 PM
If doing a top cleft, use a scion slightly thicker than the roostock, since you will have a V-cut going into a slit.
Title: Re: Grafting / Topworking mature trees
Post by: Tim on February 27, 2012, 12:08:22 PM
Has anyone had real life experience with t-budding mango?  Jeff, surely you must have tried this yes?
Title: Re: Grafting / Topworking mature trees
Post by: Cookie Monster on February 27, 2012, 01:28:06 PM
T-budding is a great propagation technique for the mango. Unfortunately, it's the 'secret sauce' for a lot of growers, so the chances of anybody divulging the methods for success to this technique are slim :-). We also have a better climate for grafting the mango here in South Florida, so the techniques which are successful here may not be successful in California.

For top-working, side veneer works phenomenally well.

Jeff

Has anyone had real life experience with t-budding mango?  Jeff, surely you must have tried this yes?
Title: Re: Grafting / Topworking mature trees
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on February 27, 2012, 01:34:38 PM
:-) It's a much better idea to top-work an unwanted tree rather than yank it and replant. You can also top-work with more than one cultivar. I'm currently top-working a ~5 year old carrie to Sweet Tart + Harvest Moon. I'll post the pic's as it develops.

Looking forward to seeing the pics.  :)


Title: Re: Grafting / Topworking mature trees
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 27, 2012, 02:19:17 PM
Hmmmm...I seem to have heard that option recently!  Jeff, is there any reason why you wait for the tree to sprout and graft onto those instead of grafting the scions directly to the sawn off branch...much like we do with apples?  a sort of wedge graft where a "V" is notched out at the cut into the wood.  The scion is cut in a wedge and trimmed to fit.  It is then squeezed into the cut until it is very tight with cambiums matched. 

Here's a video demonstrating this technique.  It's very interesting.  I believe this is Axel from the Cloudforest forum.  He is a master grafter.


OJ,

this video is noice, I appreciate the link.  The quality of the video is good, and I can see everything clearly...kudos to the filmer and the grafter.

I always thought you top worked a tree by allowing it to have shoots, and grafting onto those shoots. Maybe certain trees prefer this treatment, maybe not.  I want to top work one of the huge seedling mangoes by me. 

Thanks for sharing.

Title: Re: Grafting / Topworking mature trees
Post by: nullzero on February 27, 2012, 02:29:29 PM
A guide to "T" shield budding for mangoes;

http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/B-20.pdf (http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/B-20.pdf)

Going to add this link to the book section
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: behlgarden on March 27, 2012, 04:32:11 PM
I would love to find out too! I am waiting for my grafts to take. Although I did not cover the scion with platic because here in So. Cal if its sunny the temp inside the bag could hit over 100.  Do I need to cover the scion with plastic bag?
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: HMHausman on March 27, 2012, 05:42:16 PM
With mangoes this hasn't happened to me much.  But with annona, especially recent cherimoya grafts I have had buds from the scion push only to die off immediately when they burst through the parafilm I wasn't sure why that was. Murahilin told me that Jeff told him that if an annona graft pushes immediately it is going to always die...or words to that effect.  A sucessful annona graft will be dormant until the scion heals onto  the rootstock and then it pushes when it breaks dormancy.  has anyone else found this to be true?

Harry
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: behlgarden on March 27, 2012, 05:47:25 PM
Harry, I will have an answer soon, I know Greg grafted scions that Joe sent him and mysef. His grafts was instant success within a week, mine are still dormant. I see my tree starting to push for growth after i pruned it heavily. It remains to be seen of the main branch where I got Scions get the push as well. I can tell that juices are flowing in my tree right now so best chance of graft on Cherimoya for my plant me be right now.
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: behlgarden on March 27, 2012, 05:49:20 PM
oh, forgot to mention, even the cut branches that are sitting on the ground are pushing for growth, it could be that the tree was ready for new growth and branches are loaded with sap, no wonder cut wood on ground is growing as well. I found it ammusing and said to myself that if this branch can push for growth, scions are a high probability
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: amrkhalido on March 27, 2012, 05:50:38 PM
i wish to know that as well ,, as i am intending to graft jackfruits ,, and i don't want to loose the scions

Amr
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: ericalynne on March 27, 2012, 06:49:40 PM
I had the same thing happen with mulberry. I got some budwood from F&S park and also took a grafting class there. I was so proud! The grafts took perfectly and so quickly! The leaves on the budwood swelled (is swelled a word?) and leaves pushed out and it was beautiful And then it all died completely. I did not have it wrapped in plastic. I was using parafilm. I haven't tried grafting since. :-(

Erica
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: Tim on March 27, 2012, 09:56:19 PM
swelled or swollen .... same difference because I understood what you meant  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: Guanabanus on March 27, 2012, 10:55:25 PM
You are right Behl!

Annona branches pruned off and thrown on the ground in the winter will bud out in the spring--- so your having grafted some of it can end up being entirely irrelevant.

All the reasons given by Adam are also valid.

There is another reason often overlooked--- expectations of magic  --- if the roostock doesn't have a big fat seed full of stored up food, and you go and cut all the leaves off the roostock, what is the poor thing going to live off.  [And remember, fertilizer is not "plant food", it is just nutritional mineral supplements, none of which are an edible source of energy (carbohydrates, lipids, or proteins.]  Roots starve first, or get too weak to fend off rots.
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 28, 2012, 12:04:53 PM
I've only had success grafting annonas after April, well after bud break and when the tree is in vigorous growth flush. After around September, success tapers off again. I'm not entirely sure why other than perhaps the dormancy translates into lack of cambium growth.

Loquat will commonly push and then die if you leave it without a source of energy (ie, leaves).

With mangoes this hasn't happened to me much.  But with annona, especially recent cherimoya grafts I have had buds from the scion push only to die off immediately when they burst through the parafilm I wasn't sure why that was. Murahilin told me that Jeff told him that if an annona graft pushes immediately it is going to always die...or words to that effect.  A sucessful annona graft will be dormant until the scion heals onto  the rootstock and then it pushes when it breaks dormancy.  has anyone else found this to be true?

Harry
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: behlgarden on March 28, 2012, 12:11:35 PM
In my case I am using major branches of matured tree, that has leaves on other branches, so it sort of nullifies the issue of energy to plant. It would be interesting to see what Greg gets out of his recent successful grafts in the green house.
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 28, 2012, 01:21:01 PM
That funny, I have great success grafting annonas before the leaves emerge, and I've already grafted 10 this year, almost all have taken and are growing vigorously.



I've only had success grafting annonas after April, well after bud break and when the tree is in vigorous growth flush. After around September, success tapers off again. I'm not entirely sure why other than perhaps the dormancy translates into lack of cambium growth.

Loquat will commonly push and then die if you leave it without a source of energy (ie, leaves).



Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 28, 2012, 01:56:26 PM
Interesting. What species and what type of graft are you using?

All grafts performed in the early spring (late-march) pushed and then died after 2 months according to this study (http://www.fshs.org/Proceedings/Password%20Protected/1981%20Vol.%2094/355-358%20(OGDEN).pdf) by Carl Campbell and Pablo Lara. The rest did well. That has been my experience.

(http://s8.postimage.org/p40ghboj5/anona.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/p40ghboj5/)
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 28, 2012, 05:28:36 PM
OK, I see what you did. You were able to harvest budwood before the leaves fell off. Good work.

Atemoya mostly, but have grafted some squamosa, reticulata and rollinia, and a few other species this year with good results so far...if they die out of no where I will let you know.

Here is some pics young graftsman.

4826 atemoya, cleft.  Bagged entire plant to keep scion from desiccating.  Now the cats out of the bag, and growing well...I haven't taken the tape off yet around the union.  Do you think I'm gumping the jun, by saying these grafts have taken?

(http://s14.postimage.org/y44ot930t/annonagraft_3_28_12_001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/y44ot930t/)

Graft union of plant above

(http://s14.postimage.org/smc35g7t9/annonagraft_3_28_12_004.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/smc35g7t9/)

Nuathong, same as above, but I removed the bag early, damaging the fully formed leaves...so removed the fully formed leaves and I put it in shade, and its recovering nicely with new growth still coming.  Now it can handle fuller sun.

(http://s14.postimage.org/gbnpz4b65/annonagraft_3_28_12_005.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gbnpz4b65/)


Graft union of plant above

(http://s14.postimage.org/7x83b1a4t/annonagraft_3_28_12_006.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7x83b1a4t/)


These two are examples of the easiest way I know how to graft, but I do have some veneer grafts on big trees, in pots, that have lost all of their leaves, and some with leaves....the real key is timing when to cut the scion, and selecting a good scion.
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 28, 2012, 05:58:08 PM
The scions I took were from dormant branches, about to leaf out for the first time this year.  So leafless sticks were attached to rootstocks...am I confusing u? or am I confused?  :-\ :-[ ;D

OK, I see what you did. You were able to harvest budwood before the leaves fell off. Good work.

Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 28, 2012, 06:23:22 PM
Ohhh, OK. Duh, I read your post rong :-). U b using a green house? With fully formed leaves, them babies are takes. Good job, Cowboy!

The scions I took were from dormant branches, about to leaf out for the first time this year.  So leafless sticks were attached to rootstocks...am I confusing u? or am I confused?  :-\ :-[ ;D

OK, I see what you did. You were able to harvest budwood before the leaves fell off. Good work.

Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 28, 2012, 07:46:42 PM
Thanks Jeff!

No greenhouse was used...except the mini bag over the top of the graft! 


Seems like most of the grafts that failed for me this year were due to being damaged by being hit, or by being damaged by me repeatedly touching them to check on them.  Some also failed for no other reason than poor graft!  Sometimes its just not meant to be.
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 28, 2012, 07:59:58 PM
I wonder if the cleft graft helps with early season annona grafts like that -- maybe it causes the rootstock to 'wake up' more quickly due to being beheaded? Hoping Har will chime in with some wisdom. I pretty much universally use side veneer on the annona this time of year.
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 28, 2012, 08:14:58 PM
Hmmm. Not sure, but my veneer grafts seem to be on the same schedule as my clefts, they even look better than my clefts.

I think the timing of the scion and the small size of plant being grafted, are two most beneficial components of my method.
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: Greg1029 on March 28, 2012, 08:46:01 PM
Here is a picture of grafts I made on my Geffner.  The Nuathong and Lisa were grafted last month and took some time to push.  The African Pride was grafted a couple of weeks ago and took off immediately.  I had it in my portable greenhouse this whole time and just stuck it on the north side of my house yesterday.  You guys have me worried!!  I thought I had successful grafts until I read some of these posts.  Do you think there's a chance my grafts will die in a couple of months?  Greg


(http://s16.postimage.org/rpy6xbezl/P1230722.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/rpy6xbezl/)
Nuathong on left.  Lisa on right.
(http://s16.postimage.org/5tbnwy1sx/P1230723.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5tbnwy1sx/)
African Pride
(http://s7.postimage.org/jmrc6wnh3/P1230724.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jmrc6wnh3/)
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: JF on March 28, 2012, 09:02:44 PM
Here is a picture of grafts I made on my Geffner.  The Nuathong and Lisa were grafted last month and took some time to push.  The African Pride was grafted a couple of weeks ago and took off immediately.  I had it in my portable greenhouse this whole time and just stuck it on the north side of my house yesterday.  You guys have me worried!!  I thought I had successful grafts until I read some of these posts.  Do you think there's a chance my grafts will die in a couple of months?  Greg


(http://s16.postimage.org/rpy6xbezl/P1230722.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/rpy6xbezl/)
Nuathong on left.  Lisa on right.
(http://s16.postimage.org/5tbnwy1sx/P1230723.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5tbnwy1sx/)
African Pride
(http://s7.postimage.org/jmrc6wnh3/P1230724.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jmrc6wnh3/)

That's a good question Greg. I had two annona grafts die last year after pushing for three months. BTW, those are nice flowers are you hand pollinating?
 
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: Greg1029 on March 28, 2012, 10:46:10 PM
JF, No I've left it alone.

Greg
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: Guanabanus on March 29, 2012, 12:04:52 AM
I think Adam is right about the advantage of small rootstock and big scion.  I have done some good dormant Annona grafts in late winter and early spring, but I have done a lot of terrible batches too, using rootstock that we knew would be too big to use next summer.
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 29, 2012, 11:27:39 AM
OK. Very interesting. Thanks Adam and Har for the advice!

I think Adam is right about the advantage of small rootstock and big scion.  I have done some good dormant Annona grafts in late winter and early spring, but I have done a lot of terrible batches too, using rootstock that we knew would be too big to use next summer.
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: behlgarden on March 29, 2012, 11:32:23 AM
On dormancy of Cherimoya, I can speak for it. I got three matured trees. All were in dormant. I pruned two heavily three weeks ago and one I will be pruning today.  The ones that were pruned 3-weeks ago is pushing for a lot of growth while the one that is to be pruned is still dormant.

I believe the key to my grafting of Cherimoya would be to prune first, wait for few weeks and as soon as growth appears on pruned branches, shoot for graft. I will try that on the 3rd tree when I get red custard apple scoions from Alex.
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 29, 2012, 12:43:46 PM
Small size is imperative, size of scion not so important...more so the size of buds developing on scion, and how snugly it pieces together with rootstock.

the real challenge is working with stem diameters less than 1cm, and trying to make good cuts, and to wrap them with out breaking them!

Also, you'll find that the clef graft is the most versatile and successful graft method to use at such young age.

Another advantage of my method, is you don't have to wait forever for rootstocks/scions, and if you are unsuccessful in your attempt, a smaller tree/less valuable rootstock has been compromised.


Any more tips, and I'll have to start charging admission to this thread ;)
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: behlgarden on March 29, 2012, 12:50:07 PM
Adam, I got all kids of grafts going, time will tell the success. I got grafts on 2" branch, 1" branch, 1/2" branch and even 1/3" branch. On smaller branches I went cleft. On fatter branches I went cleft and veneer mixed. I hope weather here turns warm soon so grafts take it before they give up.
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 29, 2012, 01:27:58 PM
Behlgarden,

If you made good clean cuts, pieced them together well with your rootstock, got budwood at proper time (which I'm sure you did ;) ), and sealed them properly after applying them, as to not let them dry out....I think you'll have some takes!!!

Good luck...keep me posted if your grafts take.  :)
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: behlgarden on March 29, 2012, 01:30:48 PM
I check my grafts daily and once a week I use my fingernail to scratch the top end of scion to see if its still green and alive. so far so good. I will definitely let all know how it progresses. I dont have hope unitl we start hitting 80's here which could happen next week.
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 29, 2012, 01:38:40 PM
Not a good idea to scratch scions repeatedly.  Could introduce a pathogen or simply just moving scion around can be bad idea. 

How are you able to scratch scions if they are sealed from air?  :-\
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: behlgarden on March 29, 2012, 01:41:37 PM
I sealed 1" above and below the graft union. I did not wrap the entire length of scions as I did not know if I needed to wrap the scion completely in parafilm OR put a plastic bag over it like some do. My reason for it was that we hit mid 70's to 80's and I was worried about scion getting cooked inside the bag.

Should I wrap the scion?
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: behlgarden on March 29, 2012, 01:57:11 PM
Adam, you got $0.50!  ???

Love the green leaves of your sapodilla. I will wrap my scions tonight, not going to take any chances. Thanks for the tip. Also, on Amazon folks sell buddy tape, like $1.8/roll and ask for $8 shipping and then you got real parafilm. I ordered parafilm this time. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 29, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
Ok, u spending another 0.50 cent to get this one out of me!

There is a special type of tape, not sure of exact name, but I recall it being called "buddy tape"...it super expensive, but worth the money...at first its hard to work with, because its so stretchy and can be pulled so thin...but its better than paraflim for being stronger and lasting longer in your drawer, without losing its elastic properties.

I don't know where to get the tape though, a friend has been giving it to me, and I have to ask where she gets it. 

Parafilm works good to, but I never wrap graft union with parafilm...but with buddy tape, if you are good, you can use to wrap graft union, and seal scion!  its truly a nice product.

Let me see if I can find where to get some.
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 29, 2012, 02:05:59 PM
http://www.buddytape.com/application.html (http://www.buddytape.com/application.html)

i think this is the stuff.
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: behlgarden on March 29, 2012, 02:14:56 PM
got it, thanks. I already got Parafilm ordered so I might stick with it. Will keep in mind next time.
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 29, 2012, 02:16:53 PM
I think these are gonna make it! Looks like u done well son! ;)

Here is a picture of grafts I made on my Geffner.  The Nuathong and Lisa were grafted last month and took some time to push.  The African Pride was grafted a couple of weeks ago and took off immediately.  I had it in my portable greenhouse this whole time and just stuck it on the north side of my house yesterday.  You guys have me worried!!  I thought I had successful grafts until I read some of these posts.  Do you think there's a chance my grafts will die in a couple of months?  Greg


Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 31, 2012, 09:41:49 PM
Makok scion on left hand side already popped out of buddytape a good 1cm...that was less than a week!  Talk about perfect timing, it usually takes my sapodilla grafts about 1.5 month to even budge!  When all three scions are leafed out I will be sure to post pics.
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: HMHausman on April 01, 2012, 07:52:55 AM
Makok scion on left hand side already popped out of buddytape a good 1cm...that was less than a week!  Talk about perfect timing, it usually takes my sapodilla grafts about 1.5 month to even budge!  When all three scions are leafed out I will be sure to post pics.

There is little in this hobby that is as satisfying (eating the fruit notwithstanding) as a graft that pushes immediately as if the scion was never removed from the mother plant.  Unfortunately, in my grafting life this is a very, very rare occurance. Good work...looking forward to the pics.

Harry
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 02, 2012, 01:52:32 PM
Ok, now I'm waiting on  Silas Wood to pop up.  Makoks on either side have jumped out of their wraps.

Will post pics like I said...as soon as Silas pops or flops.

Someone (who propagates and owns a nursery) once said sapodillas are expensive because of the difficulty involved in grafting them.  I can't imagine this is the case.  I just think they are in high demand, like atemoya.  They are both  very easy to graft.

Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: Ethan on April 02, 2012, 01:57:49 PM
Sorry, late to the party, another frustrating reason for grafts to push then die......stinkin' snails and slugs eating the new growth!  I was recently reminded of this phenomenon. >:(

good luck w/the sapodilla grafts,
-Ethan
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 02, 2012, 03:59:57 PM
Yep I've had commercial nurseries tell me the same thing. The reality is that they're actually fairly easy to graft. The hard part is waiting millenia for the darn things to grow and root out. From seed to 3 gallon is like 2 years :-(. From 3gal to 7gal is a bit quicker though.

The high demand for saps is just recent; I think it started around 2007. Before then, you could find grafted saps for quite a bargain. Just like with anything else, the market for fruit trees is pretty volatile, and popularity rises and falls (and then rises again :-). I'll bet folks like Harry remember when Ilamas were in high demand. Now, I can graft half dozen and have them last me for years before anybody buys them.

Ok, now I'm waiting on  Silas Wood to pop up.  Makoks on either side have jumped out of their wraps.

Will post pics like I said...as soon as Silas pops or flops.

Someone (who propagates and owns a nursery) once said sapodillas are expensive because of the difficulty involved in grafting them.  I can't imagine this is the case.  I just think they are in high demand, like atemoya.  They are both  very easy to graft.
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: HMHausman on April 02, 2012, 06:42:52 PM
I'll bet folks like Harry remember when Ilamas were in high demand. Now, I can graft half dozen and have them last me for years before anybody buys them.

Oh yes, I do, we used to deliver the trees by dinosaur drawn carriages. :)

Harry
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 02, 2012, 06:58:15 PM
HAHAHAHA It wasn't that long ago :-) Late 90's ?

I'll bet folks like Harry remember when Ilamas were in high demand. Now, I can graft half dozen and have them last me for years before anybody buys them.

Oh yes, I do, we used to deliver the trees by dinosaur drawn carriages. :)

Harry
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: HMHausman on April 09, 2012, 05:24:03 PM
Very cool.  I am sure the person you are doing it for will be thrilled.  I will be most interested to see how this tree progresses as it gets size.  Is the recipient of this tree a forum member?  Seen losts of multi-graft mangoes, citrus and avocado, but not sapodilla.  Wonder how it will be to maintain balance between the varietal sections and how seasonality will be affected by the three being on the same rootstock. 
Harry
Title: Re: Grafts that push new leaves, and then suddenly drop leaves!
Post by: behlgarden on April 09, 2012, 11:44:21 PM
its almost 2.5 weeks now and some of my grafts of Cherimoya are very green and buds swelling while some others I cant really tell, I dont want to open the tape to ruin the honeymoon period that may be happening. I will wait another 2-weeks to see what happens. We are warming up nicely now and I am sure I will have few takes.

On my two guava grafts on to root stock, one was dried out and other was green near the union. I didnt feel much comfortale so I top worked again and put in new scions. This time I got the green tying tape, YES!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 10, 2012, 01:58:53 AM
Changed the subject of the post, I think this one is more befitting.

Behelgarden,

I think they will take if they are swelling!  Don't fiddle with them! I always mess them up this way.

Best of luck. :)

Keep me in the loop
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your Grafts, and Troubleshoot Here!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 10, 2012, 05:26:20 PM
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Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on April 10, 2012, 05:38:02 PM
Very nice Adam. if it wasnt for swings in weather some of my scions would be broken out too. I tried
1. Cheft
2. T-budding
3. Veneer
4. Bark

Veneer seems to be really green healthy, others hard to say. I am going to wait for another two weeks to see what happens. My trees were top worked and pruned like Greg's and I am seeing a lot of new growth being pushed on the pruned tree. Hopefully the tree is pushing a lot of sap into the scions too. Wake up, wake up!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JF on April 10, 2012, 07:38:33 PM
Very nice Adam. if it wasnt for swings in weather some of my scions would be broken out too. I tried
1. Cheft
2. T-budding
3. Veneer
4. Bark

Veneer seems to be really green healthy, others hard to say. I am going to wait for another two weeks to see what happens. My trees were top worked and pruned like Greg's and I am seeing a lot of new growth being pushed on the pruned tree. Hopefully the tree is pushing a lot of sap into the scions too. Wake up, wake up!

JF not Greg, Belh. I have had some grafts turn black and fall off after pushing leaves. For the ones that took when should I start unwrapping them??

JF
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on April 10, 2012, 07:45:05 PM
Sorry Joe, I was confused. I have the same question for those in Southern California. Because we are in similar climate, how long should one wait for grafts that are made outdoors on matured trees?  I hate to say that even my apple, apricot, plums, pear are sucking bad with just hint of new growth starting while I see big box stores and some others around where I live lush and green. My Longan is in full swing loaded with flowers, but lychee wants to die, just ordered rooting hormone to save it.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JF on April 10, 2012, 08:10:23 PM
Sorry Joe, I was confused. I have the same question for those in Southern California. Because we are in similar climate, how long should one wait for grafts that are made outdoors on matured trees?  I hate to say that even my apple, apricot, plums, pear are sucking bad with just hint of new growth starting while I see big box stores and some others around where I live lush and green. My Longan is in full swing loaded with flowers, but lychee wants to die, just ordered rooting hormone to save it.

Belh,no problem. The annonas that have taken outside are very sloooooow. We have some rain in the forecast maybe after the rain they'll speedup. Don't worry about how your fruit trees look that is normal for this time of year.....wait a few months.

JF
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on April 12, 2012, 07:35:37 PM
Any graft takes from Joe's (JF) scion distribution to folks here? Mine are still dormant and I expect So Cal folks to be in the same boat. Mine are outside on mature tree, still green so I am sure union is formed by now. growth may be around the corner, we need two good weeks of heat and thats it.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Greg1029 on April 12, 2012, 07:39:03 PM
Any graft takes from Joe's (JF) scion distribution to folks here? Mine are still dormant and I expect So Cal folks to be in the same boat. Mine are outside on mature tree, still green so I am sure union is formed by now. growth may be around the corner, we need two good weeks of heat and thats it.
All of mine have pushed.

Greg
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Greg1029 on April 12, 2012, 07:46:22 PM
Looking for advice.  Here is a mango veneer graft I did last september.  The scion is NDM and the rootstock is Manilla.  The scion never pushed but is still alive and fused to the rootstock.  Should I just leave the tree alone or is there something I could do to help it to push?

Thanks, Greg


(http://s15.postimage.org/wchx7f1c7/P1230993.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/wchx7f1c7/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on April 12, 2012, 07:51:23 PM
Greg, your Cherimoya grafts were in green house correct? On your Mango, I am not expert but from what I read, we are in fruiting/flowering season so grafts that didnt push may be dormant until its time for growth flush. I would rather have it stay dormant until flowering season is over so that you get a nice branch flush and not a small flower pod.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jsvand5 on April 12, 2012, 07:53:21 PM
Looking for advice.  Here is a mango veneer graft I did last september.  The scion is NDM and the rootstock is Manilla.  The scion never pushed but is still alive and fused to the rootstock.  Should I just leave the tree alone or is there something I could do to help it to push?

Thanks, Greg


(http://s15.postimage.org/wchx7f1c7/P1230993.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/wchx7f1c7/)

Have you beheaded the rootstock?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Greg1029 on April 12, 2012, 09:11:53 PM
behlgarden, Yes mine were in the greenhouse but they're out now.  I'm sure you'll see them pushing in the next couple of weeks.  Additionally, some grafts took only a couple of days whereas others took weeks to push.  My cherimoyas in the ground are just waking up.

Jsvand5, Yes I've beheaded the thing at least 3 times since I've grafted it slowly making the rootstock shorter and shorter but it doesn't seem to work.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Squam256 on April 13, 2012, 09:15:03 AM
Cut it back to maybe a centimeter above the scion. At least one of the buds on the scion should swell and grow.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Greg1029 on April 13, 2012, 09:17:54 AM
Cut it back to maybe a centimeter above the scion. At least one of the buds on the scion should swell and grow.

Thanks Squam.  Will do.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: adiel on April 13, 2012, 03:09:00 PM
Adam, what rootstock are you using to graft annonas?

Thanks,
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on April 16, 2012, 12:30:49 AM
No change in status of healthy scion grafts, got one that rotted away and dried. it was removed and replaced at once, root stock has to produce, LOL.

All hopes now for warming trend for at least 2 weeks so I get my cherimoya and guava grafts to take. I got two grafts on Plums and approcots that took, observed today, new growth has started on those, that is my first true success! See pic! its hard to see with grass in background, but careful look and you see new bud sprouting green!
(http://s15.postimage.org/5rmz7kb13/Plum_Graft.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5rmz7kb13/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 16, 2012, 04:21:53 PM
Atemoya, Sugar apple, reticulata, diversifolia, muricata, R. deliciosa.

NO others I can think of.

Why do u ask? Have some plants to perform surgery on?

I hope all operations are a success, and that you have viable organ donors.


Adam, what rootstock are you using to graft annonas?

Thanks,
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on April 18, 2012, 11:32:10 AM
Good news on my Annona grafts. Yesterday was nice and warm day after weeks of cold. the swelled bubs in two grafts actually tore the parafilm yesterday, they appear to be ready to push hard. The scions are green.

Will post pictures once leaves come out.  Joe, any luck on your monster grafts on your trees?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 19, 2012, 03:49:27 PM
Don't touch anything!  Just let them grow or fail...and then fiddle with removing tape and all that jazz, once the scion has flushed at least 2 sets of growth..unless the tree obviously or visibly needs intervention before hand (gridling, rotting scions under plastic, etc....)
Hi All
I grafted  three maha chanoks about a month ago.....The top graft rotted, second starting to push and the third is still green but no sign yet...Should I remove the third(lowest graft) since my second graft is now pushing?
Thanks
DT
(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t460/dnt72800/DSCN2369.jpg)
(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t460/dnt72800/DSCN2365.jpg)

Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on April 19, 2012, 03:54:11 PM
Adam, question for you. on one of my appricot grafts, I did a bud graft (no T-budding), just cut the surface of bark of root stock and stuck bud eye there. covered it nicely with parafilm. I saw the rootstock get a bit thicker and cracked the wrap completely and I had to remove the parafilm to see if bud dried out, no! the bud was nice and green and so was the cambium layer of root stock, So I wrapped it in new parafilm again.

Cant wait for buddy tape to be delviered. I might it get tomorrow. Question is, if buds have not flushed out and parafilm cracks, should I cover it with more parafilm? I am afraid if its not covered further scion/bud may dry out.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Mr. Clean on April 24, 2012, 04:25:57 PM
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Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on April 24, 2012, 04:30:24 PM
Adam, I got a problem. One of my plum grafts on Apricot is flowering. Should I let it flower or snio off the flower? Graft took only one week ago.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Guanabanus on April 24, 2012, 11:15:19 PM
I remove flowers from small grafted plants, otherwise, they may set fruit and stunt the small plant.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 25, 2012, 01:29:11 AM
Har,

Post some pics of your grafts!

 ;D

any thing funky? or unusual? like cocktail trees? or strange graft techniques!?

I have some trix up my sleeve, and was wondering if u'd share some of yours?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 26, 2012, 11:17:58 PM
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Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on May 01, 2012, 07:02:05 PM
My Persimmon grafts died, I found guey saap at the union but scion was dead. Thanks to Parafilm  >:(
Parafilm cracks whether you stretch it or not! My mistake was that I did not tie the union with anything else and the stock did not had enough strength to hold the scion tightly.

Also per my limited knowledge and experimental success and failures, I can testify that on Guava's best graft is to do bark graft on branches that are thicker than the scion. Cleft works on same size scion/root stock. I am yet to try t-budding, however I have a very bad patch budding where bud has about 1/4" all around exposed cambium on the branch/root stock but the scion is pushing, it amazes me! I had two buds there but one dried out, I opened the parafilm and found one dead and other bonded well and green (See pic). LOL

On Apples, appricots, plums, and Pears, my 7 year son could do the graft! all took! Sounds like the essiest to graft. I got a 7-in one Apple, 6-in-1 pear, 8-in-one plum and 7-in-1 appricot tree now. Nice!
(http://s18.postimage.org/oqtb1g29x/Guava_Patch_Graft.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/oqtb1g29x/)

Title: My Mango Grafts (Pictures Included)
Post by: behlgarden on May 09, 2012, 01:42:29 PM
I did some grafts last weekend, all were veneer grafts. Boy did I have a hard time after I cut the root stock/branches for veneer, the curve in branches got me when I tried to put the scion. I was not going to give up so I took the curve out by tightly wrapping the scions using green nurcery tape, ensuring there are no gaps (at least from I could see), then wrapped the whole scoin in buddy tape.  Oh, I wrapped all scions in buddy tape before I grafted them, then I wrapped them again.  I hope some take my grafts as this is my first time on mangoes. 
Amrapali over Nam Doc Mai
(http://s11.postimage.org/at83qzs7z/Amrapali_Nam_Doc_Mai.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/at83qzs7z/)

Mallika over Alphonso
(http://s13.postimage.org/bmh9i8zs3/Amrapali.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bmh9i8zs3/)

Amarpali over Alphonso. You can see how I kept the veneer layer of root stock, then I brought that over the scion at base and cut the rest. I saw this technique in one of the videos.
(http://s16.postimage.org/lxjz02b8h/Mallika_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lxjz02b8h/)


Mallika & maha chanok over Manila

(http://s14.postimage.org/skquhoflp/Mallika_over_Manila.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/skquhoflp/)



Title: Re: My Mango Grafts (Pictures Included)
Post by: emegar on May 09, 2012, 01:56:57 PM
Looks nice, Behl.  I look forward to seeing lots of pictures from you in a few weeks with new flushes of growth!  The one thing I did differently when I grafted my scions from Oscar was that I tried to cover all my finished grafts with paper from grocery bags to keep them from overheating in the sun.  I basically stapled pieces of this paper over them to form opaque sleeves for the grafts.  I had never really done this before, but I've heard that keeping mango scions shaded until they begin to push new growth can be helpful.
Title: Re: My Mango Grafts (Pictures Included)
Post by: behlgarden on May 09, 2012, 02:05:39 PM
James, Two of my trees are planed in ground and I dont want to cover the grafts with bag as we are now heating up, temps when it hits 85 or higher, the temp inside the bag will pass 100 and it will cook the scion.  I have another rootstock that you saw in 5 gal pot, I keep that in partial sun/shade outside. No green house for me. I really hope some of these take.

If you covered yours with bags, make sure to cut small holes at top so hot air can escape thereby not getting trapped and cooking the scions.
Title: Re: My Mango Grafts (Pictures Included)
Post by: Cookie Monster on May 09, 2012, 02:12:11 PM
Yep, you can smooth out the curves by wrapping the vinyl tape really tight, stretching similar to how you would stretch parafilm while wrapping. I also find that it helps to make the cut in the rootstock longer and higher than the cut on the scion. That way the ridge at the top of the scion cut fits more flush on the rootstock.

I did some grafts last weekend, all were veneer grafts. Boy did I have a hard time after I cut the root stock/branches for veneery, the curve in branches got me when I tried to put the scion. I was not going to give up so I took the curve out by tightly wrapping the scions using green nurcery tape, ensuring there are no gaps (at least from I could see), then wrapped the whole scoin in buddy tape.  Oh, I wrapped all scions in buddy tape before I grafted them, then I wrapped them again.  I hope some take my grafts as this is my first time on mangoes. 
Amrapali over Nam Doc Mai
(http://s11.postimage.org/at83qzs7z/Amrapali_Nam_Doc_Mai.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/at83qzs7z/)

Mallika over Alphonso
(http://s13.postimage.org/bmh9i8zs3/Amrapali.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bmh9i8zs3/)

Amarpali over Alphonso. You can see how I kept the veneer layer of root stock, then I brought that over the scion at base and cut the rest. I saw this technique in one of the videos.
(http://s16.postimage.org/lxjz02b8h/Mallika_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lxjz02b8h/)


Mallika & maha chanok over Manila

(http://s14.postimage.org/skquhoflp/Mallika_over_Manila.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/skquhoflp/)
Title: Re: My Mango Grafts (Pictures Included)
Post by: behlgarden on May 09, 2012, 06:01:51 PM
CM, from what I read, do you mean the entire scion should be kissing the rootstock in veneer graft? I went about 4 inch long lap, some of my scions were 8 inches or longer. Take a look at 3rd picture, I couldnt lap anymore as its hard to align cambium layers over a very long length on a branch.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: My Mango Grafts (Pictures Included)
Post by: Cookie Monster on May 09, 2012, 06:34:06 PM
No, you don't have to cut the entire length of the scion. Let's say that you make a 2 inch veneer cut on the scion. You will then make a 2 1/2 inch cut on the rootstock. The start of your cut on the scion will leave a little ridge. Making the cut longer on the rootstock allows that ridge to fit more easily. It's not as much of a problem on mango scions, which are generally fairly pliable. But, that technique helps me with side veneers on annonas, which are more woody and less pliable.

CM, from what I read, do you mean the entire scion should be kissing the rootstock in veneer graft? I went about 4 inch long lap, some of my scions were 8 inches or longer. Take a look at 3rd picture, I couldnt lap anymore as its hard to align cambium layers over a very long length on a branch.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: My Mango Grafts (Pictures Included)
Post by: behlgarden on May 09, 2012, 07:15:14 PM
Thanks Jeff, I did that. otherwise scion was not coming in contact with rootstock. On Annonas, I found Cleft the easiest way to graft along with Bark (need to tightly secure the union) and even T-budding. Clefts were fast takes.
Title: Re: My Mango Grafts (Pictures Included)
Post by: simon_grow on May 09, 2012, 08:42:27 PM
Nice grafts behl, lets see some updates when those pop!
Simon
Title: Re: My Mango Grafts (Pictures Included)
Post by: MangoFang on May 10, 2012, 12:18:25 AM
yep, looks like you done good, behl!

Keep us posted......

Fang
Title: Re: My Mango Grafts (Pictures Included)
Post by: adiel on May 10, 2012, 08:50:55 AM
Good Job Behl.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Greg1029 on May 10, 2012, 08:35:37 PM
Looking for advice.  Here is a mango veneer graft I did last september.  The scion is NDM and the rootstock is Manilla.  The scion never pushed but is still alive and fused to the rootstock.  Should I just leave the tree alone or is there something I could do to help it to push?

Thanks, Greg


(http://s15.postimage.org/wchx7f1c7/P1230993.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/wchx7f1c7/)
My NDM graft from last Sept. is now pushing.  Looks like cutting the rootstock was all I needed to do.

Greg


(http://s7.postimage.org/ck3rl5mx3/IMG_0008.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ck3rl5mx3/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: murahilin on May 10, 2012, 08:44:19 PM
My NDM graft from last Sept. is now pushing.  Looks like cutting the rootstock was all I needed to do.

Greg


(http://s7.postimage.org/ck3rl5mx3/IMG_0008.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ck3rl5mx3/)

Good to see that your graft has pushed. It looks healthy. Here is a good video on veneer grafting mango.

Veneer grafting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ocvn-ze5VA#)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Guanabanus on May 11, 2012, 12:41:10 AM
Cutting the rootstock just partly through above the graft, and then bending the top of the rootstock back, will usually make the graft push while still keeping the roots well fed.
Title: Re: My Mango Grafts (Pictures Included)
Post by: behlgarden on May 11, 2012, 05:51:57 PM
Hi Folks, in California Weather where temps are in mid 80's right now, how many days/weeks you think it might take for grafts to take/push?

Also, should I try to fertilize OR give the plant a boost of Dyna Grow K-L-N?
Title: Re: My Mango Grafts (Pictures Included)
Post by: Mike T on May 11, 2012, 06:17:48 PM

(http://s16.postimage.org/oabd07dn5/DSCF4491_480x640.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/oabd07dn5/)



(http://s12.postimage.org/vg2qognux/DSCF4492_480x640.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/vg2qognux/)

Here is double grafted durian rootstock that I am yet to put a scion on and mild elephant footing with tahitian lime on flying dragon.I don't know if double rootstocks would be worthwhile for mangoes and I have seen elephant footing at times.I presume when the rootstock is too vigorous for the scion it happens.
Title: Re: Grafting illama question
Post by: Guanabanus on May 12, 2012, 12:10:32 AM
A whole thread about mis-labeled annonas, including faux 'Genova Red' seems to have disappeared into thin air!
Title: Re: Grafting illama question
Post by: murahilin on May 12, 2012, 12:17:38 AM
A whole thread about mis-labeled annonas, including faux 'Genova Red' seems to have disappeared into thin air!

It started off as a buy,sell, trade post then transformed into an informative post but I didn't move it from its original home in the buy, sell, trade forum. Should I move it here to this forum?
Title: Re: Grafting illama question
Post by: bsbullie on May 12, 2012, 12:20:50 AM
A whole thread about mis-labeled annonas, including faux 'Genova Red' seems to have disappeared into thin air!

It started off as a buy,sell, trade post then transformed into an informative post but I didn't move it from its original home in the buy, sell, trade forum. Should I move it here to this forum?
Why not split it like the Hurricane post...
Title: Re: Grafting illama question
Post by: murahilin on May 12, 2012, 12:25:24 AM
Why not split it like the Hurricane post...

Because I don't have time to moderate everything on this forum.
Title: Re: Grafting illama question
Post by: Guanabanus on May 12, 2012, 12:38:05 AM
Oops.  I apologize for forgetting to check that other area that I normally don't look at.  I only participated in that thread after being asked to and didn't notice that it was in Buy and Sell.
Title: Re: Grafting illama question
Post by: murahilin on May 12, 2012, 12:40:49 AM
Oops.  I apologize for forgetting to check that other area that I normally don't look at.  I only participated in that thread after being asked to and didn't notice that it was in Buy and Sell.

No need to apologize. I actually forgot it was in there too at first and I checked the moderation logs to see if anyone had deleted then I remembered it was in the other forum.
Title: BEST TIMING TO TOP WORK YOUR TREE
Post by: MarinFla on May 12, 2012, 08:32:01 PM
I am interested in getting some insight and hearing about member's experiences with top working their trees.... ESPECIALLY AVOCADO.
I finally made the decision to top work my avocado seedling. I will miss the beauty of the tree and the major shade it provides BUT I love avocados more!! I am planning to cut the tree down to a 24-30 inch stump and paint it. When the water shoots grow back I am going to choose 3 varieties of avocado to graft onto the shoots. I am very excited to get busy but haste makes waste and I want this project to be wildly successful. I am really looking forward to seeing how this progresses.

Questions I  have:
When is the best time to cut the tree down to the stump?

When is the best time of the season to graft the budwood onto the new shoots?

Has anyone multi-variety grafted an avocado tree? If so, which combination of varieties did you choose and why?


Here is how it looks now:
(http://s14.postimage.org/x5e1gd3ct/AVOCADO_TREE_3_9_2012.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/x5e1gd3ct/)

Title: Re: BEST TIMING TO TOP WORK YOUR TREE
Post by: zands on May 12, 2012, 09:03:51 PM
That is a beautifully branched out honest seedling avocado tree doing the best it can. You can see it has put all its effort into nice leaf and branch growth (roots too). I would prune it back to half that size and feed it straight potassium to stimulate it to fruit next year. Maybe you will get lucky. But if you want to cut it way back now why not do it to the best three or four branches at 48" and do the top working from there? Not from a stump but from the strongest branches.

24" inches is what I pugged™  a much smaller Fairchild mango tree back to. You should be thinking higher. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: BEST TIMING TO TOP WORK YOUR TREE
Post by: MarinFla on May 12, 2012, 09:20:04 PM
That is a beautifully branched out honest seedling avocado tree doing the best it can. You can see it has put all its effort into nice leaf and branch growth (roots too). I would prune it back to half that size and feed it straight potassium to stimulate it to fruit next year. Maybe you will get lucky. But if you want to cut it way back now why not do it to the best three or four branches at 48" and do the top working from there? Not from a stump but from the strongest branches.

24" inches is what I pugged™  a much smaller Fairchild mango tree back to. You should be thinking higher. Just my opinion.
It flowered this year for the first time but I don't see any developing fruit hiding in the new growth. Believe it or not the crotch where the tree first branches out is so high up that I barely reach it.... maybe 7 feet high. I think that it is way too high up there to trim it to 48"
My thoughts are more about having guaranteed quality and production. I am hesitant to wait years and in the end not get fruit
Title: Re: BEST TIMING TO TOP WORK YOUR TREE
Post by: HMHausman on May 12, 2012, 09:54:20 PM
Sorry to hear your seedling tree did not perform for you.  It is disappointing when you get your hopes up. I have had a 5 variety avocado  tree.  On mine I had the original seedling tree.....as the fruits weren't bad, so I left a section.  I added Lula, Pollack,Loretta, and Monroe. But, there are no magic "have to have or else" cultivars......just go with what you like or think you will like.  I did mine after the tree was cracked in two by Hurricane Andrew.  I think avocados are pretty willing to be grafted anytime.  As with most tropicals and sub-tropicals, active growing season almost always nets better results.

Harry
Title: Mango graft...success
Post by: JF on May 12, 2012, 11:40:18 PM
or to early to tell? What do the experts think?

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/IMG_0209.jpg)
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/IMG_0211.jpg)
Title: Re: Mango graft...success
Post by: Cookie Monster on May 13, 2012, 12:03:05 AM
How many weeks?
Title: Re: Mango graft...success
Post by: JF on May 13, 2012, 12:18:47 AM
How many weeks?

Three weeks Jeff. I've been here before but this one looks more promising.

Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on May 13, 2012, 06:53:02 AM
Hi,

I have grafted cherimoya on several occasions with no takes!

Ever since those sad days...I have been researching about this matter ever since...from websites and this forum!

I came to the conclusion that the scions must be kept humid at all times...to prevent it from drying out and of course to graft on the right time!

Here's a few pics of the graft's... :)

Since I have no excess to parafilm...I thinked out of the ''BOX'' I used melted candle wax to maintain the graft humid and alive!
FYI the melted wax must be evenly coated and dipped in cold water immediately so that the buds are not killed by the hot wax!!!!

(http://s17.postimage.org/9ag2c4nff/IMG_6265.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9ag2c4nff/)

(http://s17.postimage.org/3rdiuwqe3/IMG_6266.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3rdiuwqe3/)

The leaves below the graft is kept tipped...to not weaken the graft above!
(http://s17.postimage.org/w6sw87frv/IMG_6267.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/w6sw87frv/)

Side-graft to replace a non-productive Cherimoya tree!
(http://s17.postimage.org/ikwrteniz/IMG_6268.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ikwrteniz/)


I'm busy with a new type of graft for Avocados that I developed :)...Will share in the near future ;)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Mike T on May 13, 2012, 07:46:42 AM
www.nt.gov.au/d/Content/File/p/Fruit/678.pdf (http://www.nt.gov.au/d/Content/File/p/Fruit/678.pdf)
Mr Silva grafts do have to be kept humid and I use grafting tape and put a bag over it.I sometimes spray butiminous steri-prune spray on as well and don't use grafting wax any more.The paper above by Lim on new grafting techniques might give you some ideas.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on May 13, 2012, 08:57:32 AM
www.nt.gov.au/d/Content/File/p/Fruit/678.pdf (http://www.nt.gov.au/d/Content/File/p/Fruit/678.pdf)
Mr Silva grafts do have to be kept humid and I use grafting tape and put a bag over it.I sometimes spray butiminous steri-prune spray on as well and don't use grafting wax any more.The paper above by Lim on new grafting techniques might give you some ideas.

Hi Mike,

Excellent PDF:) There is alway's space for improvement...Thanks ;)
I think you can also use the modified Fokert bud graft for longans aswell. I will definitely try it next year.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: MangoFang on May 13, 2012, 01:48:55 PM
look damn good to me JF.....Fang
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Guanabanus on May 13, 2012, 02:22:01 PM
For transporting graftwood internationally, I have used parrafin.  Use an electric coffee pot on a setting just hot enough to melt canning parrafin--- test by fast-dipping your finger!  Then fast-dip one half of a stick of graftwood, and then lay it on paper to cool.  When that parrafin on the graftwood hardens, fast-dip the other half.  I have never cooled in water, but that might have improved my percentages.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 13, 2012, 02:35:28 PM
buddytape works better for storing, transporting budwood
Title: Re: Mango graft...success
Post by: Cookie Monster on May 13, 2012, 03:40:26 PM
3 weeks is a bit early to know for sure, but it does look very promising. My guess is that it's a take.

How many weeks?

Three weeks Jeff. I've been here before but this one looks more promising.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on May 13, 2012, 07:18:35 PM
LOL, same thing happened to me and i did the same while grafting guava.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: emegar on May 13, 2012, 07:27:03 PM
I don't know guys, buddy tape is pretty valuable stuff.  Are you sure you should be wasting it on something as unimportant as a finger!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 13, 2012, 09:12:20 PM
hey I thought I started this thread? jacob did?
Title: Re: Mango graft...success
Post by: JF on May 14, 2012, 12:43:59 AM
3 weeks is a bit early to know for sure, but it does look very promising. My guess is that it's a take.

How many weeks?

Three weeks Jeff. I've been here before but this one looks more promising.

Cool. I'll keep you update.
Title: My Grafting Success - Pics
Post by: behlgarden on May 16, 2012, 01:54:10 PM
Take a look at my success in Grafting so far. I am blown away by how hard Roses pushed thru grafts within 30-days via T-budding.

Guavas, Aprocots, Plums are also a success (pics Pending)
(http://s17.postimage.org/srm1ojk23/Annona_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/srm1ojk23/)

(http://s17.postimage.org/jz530uyx7/Annona_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jz530uyx7/)

(http://s17.postimage.org/426b456iz/Apple_on_Pear_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/426b456iz/)

(http://s17.postimage.org/g5g85g6yz/Apple_on_Pear.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/g5g85g6yz/)

(http://s17.postimage.org/v2op6gk7f/Apple.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/v2op6gk7f/)

(http://s17.postimage.org/gkrhygswb/Pear_on_Apple.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gkrhygswb/)

(http://s17.postimage.org/pv3m203m3/Rose.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/pv3m203m3/)

Mango Grafts Hanging On,
Longan Grafts Hanging On,

Most Awaited  - Lychee on Longan!
Title: Re: My Grafting Success - Pics
Post by: Ethan on May 16, 2012, 02:28:54 PM
Great job Behl, cant wait to see the lychee and longan!

-Ethan
Title: Re: My Grafting Success - Pics
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on May 16, 2012, 02:30:06 PM
Hi Behlgarden,
Congrat's...The graft's look great ;) The rose graft sure is on steroids ;D ;D ;D

I agree with Ethan...can't wait to see lychee and longan :D

Title: Re: My Grafting Success - Pics
Post by: nullzero on May 16, 2012, 03:03:55 PM
Waiting the lychee on longan as well.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on May 17, 2012, 12:00:28 PM
Got First Mango Take! Wooooooooo Hooooooooooo! Fingers Crossed.

This one is Amrapali, the inverse of Mallika, only tastier newer variety from India. Scions were from Oscar. Mallika is hanging on thought!  This picture if you look clearly, at the tip, the bud broke thry the buddy tape wrap. Graft is on Alphonso Airlayer!

(http://s17.postimage.org/prglda3i3/Amrapali.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/prglda3i3/)

Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: emegar on May 17, 2012, 02:02:41 PM
Congratulations, Behl!  I guess I need to start checking my grafts more regularly, seeing as how I grafted my mangos about the same time you did!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: MangoFang on May 17, 2012, 02:43:10 PM
Lookin' good Behl!  Time will tell but the swelling bud sure looks vigorous!

My 10 or so grafts will be two weeks old tomorrow......i'll see if any have taken and post pics
if so....




FangGang
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: MarinFla on May 17, 2012, 02:47:49 PM
Got First Mango Take! Wooooooooo Hooooooooooo! Fingers Crossed.

This one is Amrapali, the inverse of Mallika, only tastier newer variety from India. Scions were from Oscar. Mallika is hanging on thought!  This picture if you look clearly, at the tip, the bud broke thry the buddy tape wrap. Graft is on Alphonso Airlayer!

(http://s17.postimage.org/prglda3i3/Amrapali.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/prglda3i3/)

Wow, I never thought of leaving the scion that long.... I like it!! Great job!!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on May 17, 2012, 02:51:17 PM
Gary, this one scion does not have swelled buds, it actually has first bud come out with a pointer out of the wrap. I will post cleaner picture. I really hope temps stay above 80 for next two weeks for rest of the scions to take.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: MangoFang on May 17, 2012, 02:53:13 PM
....yeah.....well what about 100 + for the last week or so for me?  Think that's enough
of the hot stuff....?


......sizzle baby..... 8)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on May 17, 2012, 03:03:40 PM
Lol  you can create biatbload of humidity with that.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 17, 2012, 06:43:35 PM
i guess my green sapote graft is pushing.

One day a hard wind blew through my yard, and snapped off a branch of my green sapote tree...it happened to be at the proper time to graft for the scion, so I veneered it onto a seedling mamey....and it did take quite a while for this to do anything...I really hope it lives. 

I'd also be quite happy if it takes because the diameters of the scion and rootstock were not a close match at all.
(http://s15.postimage.org/6meeao7w7/grabo5_18_030.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6meeao7w7/)

(http://s15.postimage.org/5y5jrq96f/grabo5_18_029.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5y5jrq96f/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 17, 2012, 11:00:07 PM
Adam, great job on the Green sapote graft. Those grafts are hard to do because of the excess fibers in the cambium area. Plus the long wait to see if it takes keeps you in anticipation. How big a scion piece did you graft?

thanks for kind words enduser.

the scion was about 2 or 3 inches.

I hope it doesn't do like my sapodilla grafts!  they pushed out less than one week after grafting,and all failed!

the green sapote took much longer, so I'm assuming its gong to make it most likely...it would have desiccated by now I'd think.

I'm going to graft some more scions onto another Mamey seedling, maybe I can record and upload the process.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on May 18, 2012, 12:05:27 AM
Adam, good job in grafting hard ones. Now I am worried about my mango that appears to be pushing in two weeks. fingers crossed and prayers on!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Cookie Monster on May 18, 2012, 12:15:11 PM
wow, good work dude! Those are super hard (for me anyway) to side veneer.

i guess my green sapote graft is pushing.

One day a hard wind blew through my yard, and snapped off a branch of my green sapote tree...it happened to be at the proper time to graft for the scion, so I veneered it onto a seedling mamey....and it did take quite a while for this to do anything...I really hope it lives. 

I'd also be quite happy if it takes because the diameters of the scion and rootstock were not a close match at all.
(http://s15.postimage.org/6meeao7w7/grabo5_18_030.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6meeao7w7/)

(http://s15.postimage.org/5y5jrq96f/grabo5_18_029.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5y5jrq96f/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 18, 2012, 06:03:13 PM
It funny because I found the scion of green sapote very soft and easy to cut...the rootstock didn't present any challenges either...but I'm not out of the woods yet...this graft hasn't even been unwrapped!

I wrapped with greentape as tight as I could, and had only about 1.5 inch at most of cambium contact.  So maybe I can bend the rules and still have success.

I really hope it doesn't deceive me.

I will be sure to post pics either way.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Cookie Monster on May 18, 2012, 06:37:04 PM
It's soft if you graft in the young/unhardened stage. If it's been 4 or 5 weeks, then that graft is likely a take.

Someone needs to try the inverted root graft on these puppies to induce some precocity.

It funny because I found the scion of green sapote very soft and easy to cut...the rootstock didn't present any challenges either...but I'm not out of the woods yet...this graft hasn't even been unwrapped!

I wrapped with greentape as tight as I could, and had only about 1.5 inch at most of cambium contact.  So maybe I can bend the rules and still have success.

I really hope it doesn't deceive me.

I will be sure to post pics either way.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: lkailburn on May 19, 2012, 11:32:13 AM
Here is my first graft attempt EVER!

Kevin and I took a grafting workshop on May 5th where we got to graft whatever kind of apples we wanted. I chose a Cortland(old NY variety, where i'm from :) ) scion on a dwarf rootstock. We were taught side veneer and tbud.

Here's what I found this morning. Too early to say it was successful but my expression when I saw it was  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

(http://s15.postimage.org/avgq73prb/Cortland_Apple_Graft.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/avgq73prb/)

-Luke
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on May 19, 2012, 12:34:44 PM
Hi behlgarden +Adam +Luke  :),

Congrat's on the grafts.... ;) They look awesome... :)

@Luke- you should remove those 2 shoot's below the graft ;) so that all the energy goes to the graft ;)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: lkailburn on May 19, 2012, 04:29:35 PM
Thanks for the tip! I went ahead and pinched off the shoots below the graft. wahoo  ;D I'm still so excited about this

-Luke
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on May 19, 2012, 05:12:14 PM
Thanks for the tip! I went ahead and pinched off the shoots below the graft. wahoo  ;D I'm still so excited about this

-Luke

OH boy...you have been bitten ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 19, 2012, 08:26:47 PM
inverted root graft looks fun to try.  wish I had a seed sprouting and a scion ready to harvest at perfect time!

I may try anyhow, with less than perfect timing, or else I may have to wait another 1 or 2yrs..

It's soft if you graft in the young/unhardened stage. If it's been 4 or 5 weeks, then that graft is likely a take.

Someone needs to try the inverted root graft on these puppies to induce some precocity.

It funny because I found the scion of green sapote very soft and easy to cut...the rootstock didn't present any challenges either...but I'm not out of the woods yet...this graft hasn't even been unwrapped!

I wrapped with greentape as tight as I could, and had only about 1.5 inch at most of cambium contact.  So maybe I can bend the rules and still have success.

I really hope it doesn't deceive me.

I will be sure to post pics either way.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jsvand5 on May 20, 2012, 05:56:08 PM
Here are a few avocado grafts I did on the 7th of May. Starting to get a little optimistic but usually when I start to feel good about my grafts is right about when they fail. These are a couple of Kahaluu sent from Hawaii. The scions took 5 or 6 days to get here but they seemed to make it in pretty good shape. Not sure if the buds are swelling or if they look the same as when I did the grafts.


(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f361/pfan151/IMG_0349.jpg)

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f361/pfan151/IMG_0356.jpg)

Sorry about the crappy pics
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: HMHausman on May 20, 2012, 06:43:39 PM
John....I'm willing to go out on the "succesful graft" limb.  Looks good....I think you have two takers
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jsvand5 on May 20, 2012, 08:06:40 PM
I'm hoping. I have 5 grafts going all together. All still look green aside from one cleft that may be turning a little yellow.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on May 29, 2012, 11:08:38 AM
Reporting another take here! This is Mallika from Oscar!  Now I have two takes, 3 dormant out of 5 grafted. Will post picture as soon as there is leaf growth.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on May 30, 2012, 11:07:01 AM
Reporting two more takes here on Mangoes. So, my grafts on in-ground Alphonso mother tree has two takes of Mallika and one Amarpali mango.  100% success there.

I have Alphonso over Manila (cleft), Mallika (veneer), and one Maha Chanok (Veneer) over in-pot Manila still green and waiting for breakout.  There is another Amrapali (Veneer) over Nam-Doc-Mai green and waiting for breakout.

I will post pictures once leaves truly emerge! So far, I can I say that I dont have mango blues! Mangodog, you should be successful too as you also grafted around the same time I did, timing could have played a big role here.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 30, 2012, 11:09:47 AM
no more posting pics of grafts for me, until they are out of the bag and callused.

All mine keep failing as soon as I post pics of them pushing!

Green sapote veneer, late term failure.  :( :'( >:(

I've been jinxing my self all along!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Cookie Monster on May 30, 2012, 11:17:05 AM
Ohh puuuuuuuupe! That sucks, cowboy. Sorry about that :-(.

no more posting pics of grafts for me, until they are out of the bag and callused.

All mine keep failing as soon as I post pics of them pushing!

Green sapote veneer, late term failure.  :( :'( >:(

I've been jinxing my self all along!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on May 30, 2012, 11:17:14 AM
Sorry to hear about green sapote failure Adam. in my case, most takes were after 45 days of grafting so union is formed very well and not a single failure yet. I am worried on Mango and one took only 10 days to breakout, weather could have played huge role as it was quite warm when I grafted.

Anyway, keeping my fingers crossed over progress. I believe most will take and I can say the time and effort paid off. My Alphonso is already a 3-in-1 cocktail tree. I plan on addiing Maha on it too, as soon as I get hold of some scions. Then I will let this tree be a healthy tree growing in the middle of my front yard orchard.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: lkailburn on June 05, 2012, 11:13:01 PM
Right there with you Adam. Here's my apple graft that has died. It pushed out about 1.5" of growth, a total of 6 leaves and then one day just shriveled up and died. I just took the rubber band off today for the photo.
Anyone spot anything in particular? Or just a failed graft. Graft was done on 5/5/12
(http://s16.postimage.org/djvmv3mf5/Apple_Graft.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/djvmv3mf5/)

(http://s16.postimage.org/rrlbjqz41/Apple_Graft2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/rrlbjqz41/)

Thanks
-Luke
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 05, 2012, 11:25:18 PM
look like u did an excellent grafting job, and this is just one of lifes beautiful failures for unknown reasons...it makes the successes that much sweeter I guess.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: cuban007 on June 05, 2012, 11:33:05 PM
Interesting that a few of us, including myself, have had losses of grafts after taking pics of them. Do you think the flash of the camera could have something to do with it???? :-\
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 06, 2012, 12:19:50 AM
Interesting that a few of us, including myself, have had losses of grafts after taking pics of them. Do you think the flash of the camera could have something to do with it???? :-\

Haha!

No I just think sap flow and nature have a way of messing with the minds of eager green grafters....myself being such an individual...I've seen many late failures!  but success rates over 50% always make me proud of my patients (trees being cut up!).
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: fyliu on June 06, 2012, 02:19:28 AM
lkailburn, from the second angle it looks like that first bud above the graft is still good while the scion is dry above that. Maybe wishful think on my part.

I try not to bother them too much after the graft. It's a pleasant surprise if they take or I find shriveled up sticks.

Is there a reason people here choose veneer and cleft? I do whip and tongue for most of mine becaues the N shape gives more cambium contact than V. Simple whip is too tricky for me to tie up. It doesn't hold well and tends to shift.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Guanabanus on June 06, 2012, 08:55:29 AM
Perhaps it's just because the scion has shriveled, but it looks to me as though the cambium of the rootstock was slightly outside the edges of the scion.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: lkailburn on June 06, 2012, 10:37:11 AM
It's highly possible. This was the first graft I have ever done. The bud at the top of the scion(not seen in the photos) did push out 6 leaves, about 1.5" of growth before dying. Can that happen without a take between the cambium? I'm learning as I go. I've done two more side veneer grafts on loquats this past week but won't post photos of those to jinx myself haha.
Fyliu- I've done veneer because that's what i was shown in a grafting workshop last month. Since it's the only thing i've done, i tried it on the loquat as well(which i read is a actually a preferred style). Later this month i hope to try some more budding styles on apple and citrus!

-Luke
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on June 06, 2012, 11:06:17 AM
here is my take. Any graft that pushed withn a week for me died. The mango that pushed in 6 days, the scion is alive but the growth died. However, the two other scions on the same root stock that took 4 weeks to break are pushing very very hard.

This is why they say timing is important and if grafting is done during dormant season, chances of success are high as union if formed and matured before dormancy ends. on the other hand, an actively growing time or when things are pushing hard, scions tend to push along without the healed union and as more green growth is developed on the scion, nutritional needs rise and wound that is not healed isnt able to support the scion demands. result is failue of scion.

I got poor rate of success in Guava grafts, about 30%, happy to report that at least now I have 5 successful grafts there.
100% success in Apple and Pears.
90% success in Appriots and Plums
80% success in Annonas
Mangoes - wait and see game, dont want to jinx it.

I also observed that grafts on matured in ground plants take faster and stronger than in pot. This is my observation when looking at Mango in ground, in pot, and more mature in ground rootstocks.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: fyliu on June 06, 2012, 11:57:43 AM
A lot of things are graftable year round in SoCal. For seasonal things the rootstock should be pushing while the scion should be dormant.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on June 06, 2012, 11:59:21 AM
That seldom happens that rootstock is pushing and scion is dormant, in case of Cherimoya, and all fruits such as apple, pear and lot of others, time may be too late to graft now with great success. On Mangoes, weather here sucks so we can graft pretty much year round.
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Post by: JF on June 06, 2012, 12:39:12 PM
here is my take. Any graft that pushed withn a week for me died. The mango that pushed in 6 days, the scion is alive but the growth died. However, the two other scions on the same root stock that took 4 weeks to break are pushing very very hard.

This is why they say timing is important and if grafting is done during dormant season, chances of success are high as union if formed and matured before dormancy ends. on the other hand, an actively growing time or when things are pushing hard, scions tend to push along without the healed union and as more green growth is developed on the scion, nutritional needs rise and wound that is not healed isnt able to support the scion demands. result is failue of scion.

I got poor rate of success in Guava grafts, about 30%, happy to report that at least now I have 5 successful grafts there.
100% success in Apple and Pears.
90% success in Appriots and Plums
80% success in Annonas
Mangoes - wait and see game, dont want to jinx it.

I also observed that grafts on matured in ground plants take faster and stronger than in pot. This is my observation when looking at Mango in ground, in pot, and more mature in ground rootstocks.

The opposite is true with me. I've had 90% success rate in containers and 30%on matured in ground trees although I am 10 for 10 with my last grafts for my in ground cherimoyas....in respect to mangos, that's another story. So far I'm 3 for 26 ( 3-4 scions green and still pushing). I've performed another 6 graft last week let' see if my % improves.
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Post by: fyliu on June 06, 2012, 01:14:22 PM
That seldom happens that rootstock is pushing and scion is dormant, in case of Cherimoya, and all fruits such as apple, pear and lot of others, time may be too late to graft now with great success. On Mangoes, weather here sucks so we can graft pretty much year round.
Take scions in Dec/Jan for pommes and prunus, store in fridge wrapped with moist paper towel in a plastic bag for 2 months, then graft. Cherimoya/white sapote works year round for me too.
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Post by: behlgarden on June 06, 2012, 01:18:57 PM
That seldom happens that rootstock is pushing and scion is dormant, in case of Cherimoya, and all fruits such as apple, pear and lot of others, time may be too late to graft now with great success. On Mangoes, weather here sucks so we can graft pretty much year round.
Take scions in Dec/Jan for pommes and prunus, store in fridge in a plastic bag with moist paper towel for 2 months, then graft. Cherimoya/white sapote works year round for me too.

Oh nice trick! Didnt think about putting them in refrigerator to keep them dormant. I also beleive when it comes out of refrigerator and hits heat, it would push harder, no?
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Post by: LarryG on June 06, 2012, 11:03:08 PM
A few months ago I bought a Maha Chanok mango tree from Excalibur. I noticed at the time that the 6' tall tree had a lateral branch that had been recently tipped, probably for bud wood. A few weeks later I saw a new bud starting to push about an inch back from the pruned tip. I cut off the scion about 3" back and cleft grafted it to a turpentine seedling. Here's a couple of photos I took a few days ago:

(http://s14.postimage.org/w92116iql/DSCN1938.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/w92116iql/)

(http://s12.postimage.org/f8q2ctat5/DSCN1941.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/f8q2ctat5/)
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Post by: behlgarden on June 07, 2012, 12:38:10 AM
Nice.
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Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on June 07, 2012, 05:46:04 AM
 :'( After posting them pics on them grafts...non of them took...YIKES :o No more posting pics of them grafts before they are fully hardened  ;)

@Luke-Don't give up ;)...avocado kicked my a$%# on countless attemps of grafting them...now i'm boss ;D ;D ;D...oh yeah...next time do a cleft graft...it's bullet proof on temperates ;)



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Post by: lkailburn on June 07, 2012, 11:14:23 AM
Thanks for the encouragement Steven! I'll have to look up a how-to for cleft and give that a shot.

-Luke
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Post by: behlgarden on June 07, 2012, 11:17:29 AM
I have 7 mango grafts and 6 are veneer, success rate appears quite high as only one died and it was the weakest scion and also had turned brown when I got it from someone. One Graft is cleft and its hanging on. Once all these push into healthy growth I will post pictures.
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Post by: lkailburn on June 07, 2012, 11:19:38 AM
I have 7 mango grafts and 6 are veneer, success rate appears quite high as only one died and it was the weakest scion and also had turned brown when I got it from someone. One Graft is cleft and its hanging on. Once all these push into healthy growth I will post pictures.

Don't jinx, wait before posting pics! hahaha

-Luke
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Post by: behlgarden on June 07, 2012, 11:20:20 AM
I jinxed one already, but scion is still green so that is encouraging.
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Post by: lkailburn on June 07, 2012, 11:24:04 AM
What varieties of mangos did you graft?

-Luke
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Post by: behlgarden on June 07, 2012, 11:42:44 AM
I grafted Mallika, Amrapali (inverse of Mallika mother and father cross), Alphonso, and one Maha Chanok that I got from Daniel (scion is in pretty bad shape but hanging on)
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Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on June 07, 2012, 01:42:43 PM
Thanks for the encouragement Steven! I'll have to look up a how-to for cleft and give that a shot.

-Luke

Luke,
Here's some vids on grafting...You will be a pro in no time ;)

Selecting the Right Graft (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDQJUSdyg4M#)

Cleft Graft (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNXDPVfJBW4#)

Grafting Fruit Trees (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuSYbmSgRcY#ws)
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 07, 2012, 04:00:22 PM
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Post by: behlgarden on June 07, 2012, 04:20:08 PM
All my Guava takes were where branches matched the size of scion, 1/4" or so, double cleft was total failure as Guava tents to harden when cut and union tends to pull apart on thicker branches.

All my Apple, Cherimoya, Plums, Aprocots, Pears, even Roses where I cleft grafted took where scion was 1/4" and so was the rootstock. everything else failed, with the exception of few Cherimoya and Apple where I do have wider rootstocks. On Mango, I am yet to see success with cleft, but I tried to match the scion to the rootstock size.
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 07, 2012, 04:48:20 PM
Hey this thread has been changed up and confused me a bit...two separate threads got meshed together if I remember...and I guess the earliest thread created, is who gets credited for starting it.

not that it really matters, but Jacob13 didn't start this thread, I did...and I changed the name a while back.

(it is just about the most popular thread though :D )



Changed the subject of the post, I think this one is more befitting.

Behelgarden,

I think they will take if they are swelling!  Don't fiddle with them! I always mess them up this way.

Best of luck. :)

Keep me in the loop
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Post by: cuban007 on June 07, 2012, 04:59:03 PM
Behl don't do clefts on guavas. It's almost worthless. They look like they took then they dry up. Do veneers or bud grafts and you will see your success rate go way up. If you get a chance stop by so I can show you. Incredible how ez it is, ezr than a cleft grafts.
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Post by: behlgarden on June 07, 2012, 05:35:12 PM
Daniel,

Thanks for the tip. Yes, I noticed that. I did a chip but that is still hanging on.  Veneer, something I havent tried. I am out of source of scion wood for red/pink guavas now. Not sure if this is even a good time for guava grafting.
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 07, 2012, 06:33:03 PM
Ok,

It let me upload a single pic, instead of multiple pics. (anyone else experiencing problem?)

Look down at my previous post and the photo should be there.

Graft of about 1mm diameter.
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Post by: behlgarden on June 07, 2012, 06:49:55 PM
Question on Mango grafts, when should I cut back the stock that extends past the scion that took? The reason I ask is that the rootstock is trying to push for buds as well, I would rather have that growth sap and energy flow to the scion instead and put it on a turbo.

In this picture, I am taking about the parent rootstock that is actually a branch where my scion leeched onto and is sucking the blood out of it.

(http://s7.postimage.org/7xh8kfo93/Scion.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7xh8kfo93/)

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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 07, 2012, 06:53:38 PM
Chris Rollins taugh us to crack branch, so it is still attached, after scion has flushed out and hardened off one set of leaves.  and  after the scion leafs out and hardens off a second time, then fully prune off cracked branhes of rootstock.  this process allows the scion to become the main leader, while the cracked branches add support by hanging on to a thin thread of viable cambium.
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Post by: behlgarden on June 07, 2012, 06:56:40 PM
Thanks. Then I will wait for it. should I let the rootstock continue to put growth via new buds emerging? Some videos I saw suggest snipping off the rootstock, while others say to wait. Just wondered folk's real experience in this forum with Mangoes on what they have done successfully
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 07, 2012, 06:58:27 PM
I don't See how it could hurt to restrict new growth of rootstock.

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Post by: behlgarden on June 07, 2012, 07:05:23 PM
So I sould cutoff the rootstock as soon as the leafs hardenoff and get ready for flush. In the mean time I plan on pinching off the new buds from rootstock. I was thinking about just cutting it off and let the scion take over now.
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 07, 2012, 07:25:39 PM
hmm.

not quite sure, but play it safe! If the graft is meant to heal, it will do so, with rootstock still flushing new growth...removing the branches does pose a risk to the scion in early phases of healing...at least that's my opinion.
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Post by: fyliu on June 07, 2012, 08:33:04 PM
If you cut off the rootstock shoot too soon would the rootstock base restrict nutrients to the scion because the scion doesn't have a strong enough connection to give the hormonal signal that there's still something alive up there? I make up a lot of theories to explain things.
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 07, 2012, 08:46:13 PM
If you cut off the rootstock shoot too soon would the rootstock base restrict nutrients to the scion because the scion doesn't have a strong enough connection to give the hormonal signal that there's still something alive up there? I make up a lot of theories to explain things.

not sure, but your line of thought makes me wonder if cutting back rootstock can inhibit growth of scion, because of new growth trying to occur at more nodes than if left uncut.
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Post by: behlgarden on June 07, 2012, 09:05:28 PM
My observation on one failed mango is that I cut the rootstock as buds broke out into leaves. The breakout section slowly died after I cut the rootstock. Today when I see that rootstock, I see the tree is pushing hard to get new nodes on old rootstock. It appears that mother tree knows what's happening and main rootstock after push goes dormant. By cutting it we make it active again and resources are focussed on rootstock and scion gets left behind.

My side of explanation.
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Post by: cuban007 on June 07, 2012, 09:08:26 PM
Behl, I've just grafted some two weeks ago and should see the growth already. I graft year round.
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Post by: behlgarden on June 07, 2012, 09:17:29 PM
Daniel, any chances of getting few red guava scions? I would love to get a head start this year so by next year they are nice and healthy. I got a rootstock itiching to hook onto to something.
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Post by: cuban007 on June 08, 2012, 12:31:16 AM
Behl, give me a call. I don't have any scions available. The ones that I had I grafted already.
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 08, 2012, 12:50:07 AM
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Post by: behlgarden on June 08, 2012, 12:20:12 PM
That is one tiny graft. I tried 1.5mm graft of Surinam Cherry over Cherry, it failed. not giving up though.
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Post by: Tim on June 08, 2012, 07:38:21 PM
That's some serious skills  there. Have you grafted anything this small before?
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 10, 2012, 02:23:04 PM
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 11, 2012, 12:13:13 PM
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Post by: Cookie Monster on June 11, 2012, 12:28:04 PM
My beefness, Adam. That's pretty slick cowboy.

That's some serious skills  there. Have you grafted anything this small before?

Smaller u say?

Well..technically the cuts are larger, but the scion may be less massive...here's a tiny patch graft I did on a M.jaboticaba, where I slapped on some Red jabo budwood.  It's taken nicely, and even shed the bark somewhat, leaving a cool pattern!



(http://s12.postimage.org/gv1jg9v6h/06_10_12_009.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gv1jg9v6h/)
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Post by: Tim on June 11, 2012, 01:58:51 PM
wow... pretty damn slick indeed  ;D
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 11, 2012, 05:10:12 PM
Thanks for kind words!

I hope to keep them coming...I've been grafting up a storm...and starting to unlock some strange puzzles.

In the next 2-5yrs, the world of Myrciaria / Plinia will be forever changed (maybe it already has been altered).  Soon you will have access to over 10 species and cultivars to choose from, some grafted, some seed grown...but all jaboticaba!

I will keep you posted!
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Post by: Mr. Clean on June 11, 2012, 06:06:37 PM
Thanks for kind words!

I hope to keep them coming...I've been grafting up a storm...and starting to unlock some strange puzzles.

In the next 2-5yrs, the world of Myrciaria / Plinia will be forever changed (maybe it already has been altered).  Soon you will have access to over 10 species and cultivars to choose from, some grafted, some seed grown...but all jaboticaba!

I will keep you posted!

Keep up the good work and best of luck in reaching your goals.  The biggest complaint I heard about Jaboticaba's is that they take a long time to grow.  Hopefully you are able to fix that problem.
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 12, 2012, 01:48:51 PM
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Post by: MangoFang on June 12, 2012, 03:17:05 PM
So. I'm coming in to this subject a bit late.  these were grafted around...hmmmm....now when was it...the first week in May, like the 3rd, and the pics taken about 2 weeks ago.  So my batting average on this go round of mango grafting was 2 for 13 = .154 - low enough to get sent down to the minors....but at least I got my first major league hit!  I apologize for the fuzzies - better to view it in the smaller form.
My camera is still a mystery to me -  :-[

Gary



Neelkiran graft
(http://s16.postimage.org/ooo6g4ewh/Neelkiran_graft_053012.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ooo6g4ewh/)

Kook Lom Krong graft

(http://s13.postimage.org/m4cgs7kur/Kook_Lom_Krong_graft_053012.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/m4cgs7kur/)
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Post by: behlgarden on June 12, 2012, 03:25:30 PM
Mangodog, Congrats on taste of success of mango grafting finally! My two are doing wonderful, 4 green and hanging in
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 12, 2012, 03:26:26 PM
MangFang,

Looks like takes!

Mango seems to be more difficult to graft for me...I need to try more.

Great job.
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Post by: JF on June 12, 2012, 03:31:07 PM
MangoDog, you got me beat! I'm 4 for 26. Mine look like they are more advance them yours. I wonder why we did it the same week? I have 2 others that are still green, the rest turned balck and died,

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/IMG_0883.jpg)
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/IMG_0885.jpg)
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/IMG_0886.jpg)
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Post by: behlgarden on June 12, 2012, 03:35:04 PM
Now that's a Turbo take there Joe!  Did u had a grafting professional graft some? What were results?
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Post by: JF on June 12, 2012, 03:44:31 PM
Now that's a Turbo take there Joe!  Did u had a grafting professional graft some? What were results?

No Pro just Gary and I. My annona success gave me great practice and confidences but the results were a lot different. Mango grafts don't take as easily as annonas.

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Post by: fyliu on June 12, 2012, 04:37:00 PM
Joe did you bag them in plastic? I hear it helps tropical cuttings like mango in our dry climate.
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Post by: MangoFang on June 12, 2012, 05:01:41 PM
Thanks Behl and JF....yeah it felt good to have my first mango graft take...I've also got a thompson
that is still green but no shoots coming out as yet. Behl it is buffudling why these 2 took and all the others, so painstaking cut to fit, just failed......i just am clueless.

Did you see my other post about the weather.  WE've had 27days of 100 degrees or more this year compared to 6 last year.  For SURE my Manilas are going to ripen in early July - another few weeks - where normally it's in August.  I think I've got a lot of what they call "degree days" of heat this year.  I'm having to shade cloth some of the newer plants - just struggling too much and gettin' mighty crispy...

JF - I don't know why mine aren't as advanced as yours....well here...let me go take a pic right now and give you a live update:

Neelkiran

(http://s11.postimage.org/51ksyter3/Neelkiran_Mango_Graft_061212_001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/51ksyter3/)

Kooky...

(http://s7.postimage.org/6cid7p03r/Kook_Lom_Krong_Mango_Graft_061212_003.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6cid7p03r/)
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Post by: JF on June 13, 2012, 01:02:38 PM
Thanks Behl and JF....yeah it felt good to have my first mango graft take...I've also got a thompson
that is still green but no shoots coming out as yet. Behl it is buffudling why these 2 took and all the others, so painstaking cut to fit, just failed......i just am clueless.

Did you see my other post about the weather.  WE've had 27days of 100 degrees or more this year compared to 6 last year.  For SURE my Manilas are going to ripen in early July - another few weeks - where normally it's in August.  I think I've got a lot of what they call "degree days" of heat this year.  I'm having to shade cloth some of the newer plants - just struggling too much and gettin' mighty crispy...

JF - I don't know why mine aren't as advanced as yours....well here...let me go take a pic right now and give you a live update:

Neelkiran

(http://s11.postimage.org/51ksyter3/Neelkiran_Mango_Graft_061212_001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/51ksyter3/)

Kooky...

(http://s7.postimage.org/6cid7p03r/Kook_Lom_Krong_Mango_Graft_061212_003.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6cid7p03r/)

nice flush Gary....27 days above 100F already! you'll be eating your manny's by the end of this month. Most of my trees are resting this year but the onesthat are holding fruits are right on schedule....end of Aug. and early Sept.
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Post by: Tim on June 13, 2012, 01:05:09 PM
Great job with your mango grafts, gents.  Now I'm the only one still in the gutter  :-[
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Post by: JF on June 13, 2012, 01:12:15 PM
Great job with your mango grafts, gents.  Now I'm the only one still in the gutter  :-[

Hey, you'll get there Tim....it only took us 50 tries LOL
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Post by: MangoFang on June 13, 2012, 01:32:29 PM
Yeah Tim - you just got to keep plugging away....I really like the idea of the rubber bands holding the scion really tightly against the root stock.  And where I am they start to snap and break away on their own after 6-7 weeks anyway so it works out good.

But keep trying...It's a club you HAVE to join at some point or we won't speak to you
anymore!!!!!!!!


 :-X



Gary'sFang
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Post by: lkailburn on June 17, 2012, 12:19:04 AM
Just did my first attempt at a wedge graft on a mango(first wedge attempt period) and first attempt at mango budding. Not posting pictures yet so I don't jinx myself! Haha

-Luke
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 24, 2012, 01:10:11 AM
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Title: Critical Success Factors in Grafting Mango
Post by: jcaldeira on June 24, 2012, 02:31:50 AM
I'm not an expert in mango grafting, but had a couple of knowledgable folks from my Agriculture Department come to my farm to give me a private lesson.  The three most important success factors, they told me, are:

1) Choose scion wood that has swelling buds.
  These are buds that already started their growth but have not broken out yet, as in the photo below.  Dormant buds are not often successful.
(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/2721/mango1small.jpg)

2) Get good contact of the cambian layers between scion and rootstock.  Any knife that will cut straight is fine.   Tape tightly to ensure good contact.  The cut in the photo below is excellent, but the scion will be shifted just a bit before taping.
(http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/1070/mango2small.jpg)

3)  Wrap the scion to reduce evaporative loss during the healing process, and prevent water entry into the graft.  Kitchen wrap works great on the scion.  I use Parafilm on the graft.
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/6996/mango3small.jpg)

My environment may be different that yours and influence what is successful, but the above works in Fiji.  Often the buds won't break through the plastic wrap until after a few weeks of healing.

John
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Post by: Guanabanus on June 24, 2012, 08:53:16 AM
Good advice.  The chance for success is improved if the scion is slightly fatter than the rootstock, unlike the scion pictured.
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 24, 2012, 08:58:01 AM
Good advice.  The chance for success is improved if the scion is slightly fatter than the rootstock, unlike the scion pictured.

I've found the exact opposite to be true with certain trees.
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Post by: jcaldeira on June 24, 2012, 01:08:36 PM
Good advice.  The chance for success is improved if the scion is slightly fatter than the rootstock, unlike the scion pictured.
With same-size scion and rootstocks, the same same perfect match between cambian layers can be achieved by making the cut in the rootstock slightly off-center.   This often happens even when I don't try!
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Post by: MarinFla on June 24, 2012, 08:08:08 PM
Great job with your mango grafts, gents.  Now I'm the only one still in the gutter  :-[
You are not in that gutter club alone :(
I'm 0 for 6, I thought for sure this last graft I did would work, the budwood was so perfect and things were looking so good until I got lazy. I kept the grafted tree on my back porch out of the direct sunlight. I was in a hurry and watered to rootstock trough the screen instead of going inside and putting the water directly into the pot. I think the water from the hose somehow got into the graft from the spray..... all downhill from there! Turned black and died in less than a week :(  The good news is that I used a side veneer graft so the root stock still looks healthy to use again.
I am determined now! I have been sprouting root stocks like mad so I will have lots to work with!
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Post by: Tim on June 25, 2012, 05:39:55 PM
These aren't my grafts but after wasting 30mins or so browsing the section at Lowes, I came across these two mango trees for sale.  Got me thinking to myself  'WTH am I or other members here doing wrong with our failed grafts and these two successful?'  Of course there are lots of other factors, but this just makes me wanna kick my own a$$ a bit harder :('

This beauty of a graft belongs to a Keitt tree...
(http://s14.postimage.org/jmz0e1jjh/20120619_112953.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jmz0e1jjh/)

(http://s14.postimage.org/kdrqjtlwt/20120619_113215.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kdrqjtlwt/)

Gold Nugget tree.
(http://s17.postimage.org/mp8mqc763/20120619_113132.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mp8mqc763/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: fyliu on June 25, 2012, 09:01:16 PM
Tim, Home Depot Lemon Grove had Timotayo mango a while ago. You can get one that's named after you.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: MarinFla on June 25, 2012, 10:14:04 PM
These aren't my grafts but after wasting 30mins or so browsing the section at Lowes, I came across these two mango trees for sale.  Got me thinking to myself  'WTH am I or other members here doing wrong with our failed grafts and these two successful?'  Of course there are lots of other factors, but this just makes me wanna kick my own a$$ a bit harder :('

This beauty of a graft belongs to a Keitt tree...
(http://s14.postimage.org/jmz0e1jjh/20120619_112953.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jmz0e1jjh/)

(http://s14.postimage.org/kdrqjtlwt/20120619_113215.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kdrqjtlwt/)

Gold Nugget tree.
(http://s17.postimage.org/mp8mqc763/20120619_113132.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mp8mqc763/)

Tim, those are some hideously ugly grafts! Does make you wonder how they survived.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 26, 2012, 12:25:18 AM
Looks like what Har said about having a slightly fatter scion might seem to be the trick..for mango and a bunch of others.

those recently added photos by Tim seem to show big scions...I can even peer right through a hole in one graft, and it looks just fine though.

nice to see some mangoes grafted other than Zills for a change...although their trees are very nice I must say!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: cuban007 on June 26, 2012, 08:49:38 PM
Has anyone besides Enduser been successful in grafting any Mameys??? I was speaking with a gentleman from a nursery and I inquired about methods of grafting Mameys successfully and he kindly refused to tell me. He told me it is a secret. So far I am 0 - 10.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 26, 2012, 08:58:20 PM
Has anyone besides Enduser been successful in grafting any Mameys??? I was speaking with a gentleman from a nursery and I inquired about methods of grafting Mameys successfully and he kindly refused to tell me. He told me it is a secret. So far I am 0 - 10.

have u seen my attempts to inverted root graft a green sapote?

If my grafts take, I'm sure you could apply the same method for the similar mamey sapote.

Cookiemon could throw u a bone...if he chooses....unless that was him u called! HAHA

Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on June 27, 2012, 12:01:32 AM
Tim, those are some hideously ugly grafts! Does make you wonder how they survived.
I couldn't believe my eyes peering through that hole either, some hideous grafts indeed.  I wonder if these two will grow strong enough a trunk to brace the elements.

fyliu - Feng, "wind" correct?  Unfortunately, I don't have the yard space left to get a good mango, it's got to be extremely good for me to try fitting it in  ;D
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: fyliu on June 27, 2012, 12:09:48 AM
Dry wind is always a problem in SoCal especially for fleshy plants like mango. One method that works is putting a plastic bag around the graft and scion with some moist paper towel inside. Avoid cooking the scion by putting a brown paper bag or newspaper over the plastic bag.

I've not tasted any home grown mango to understand all the excitement in this forum over mangos. I also don't have space for anything now.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on June 27, 2012, 10:28:16 AM
No, I meant your name (Feng = Wind) ... but that's a neat trick I'll have to try next time grafting.  Thank you

Dry wind is always a problem in SoCal especially for fleshy plants like mango. One method that works is putting a plastic bag around the graft and scion with some moist paper towel inside. Avoid cooking the scion by putting a brown paper bag or newspaper over the plastic bag.

I've not tasted any home grown mango to understand all the excitement in this forum over mangos. I also don't have space for anything now.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: fyliu on June 27, 2012, 12:48:55 PM
Ah, it's Fang like the compass directions ESWN.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 27, 2012, 01:11:44 PM
Ah, it's Fang like the compass directions ESWN.

So many meanings for words, English has me all garbled up...i think of a venomous tooth!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Guanabanus on June 27, 2012, 09:40:30 PM
Leave parts of several leaves on your mamey-sapote scions.  Clear plastic bag, under around 70% shade, about one month, in summer.   Waste of time in winter.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 27, 2012, 10:01:22 PM
Leave parts of several leaves on your mamey-sapote scions.  Clear plastic bag, under around 70% shade, about one month, in summer.   Waste of time in winter.

I wonder how slim my chances of success are with my method of total leaf removal??

I've got one last seedling to graft(the other two have been propagated like in my photos on inverted root graft thread
the next time I will try your suggested method.

Title: grafting practice pics
Post by: Adacaosky on July 04, 2012, 01:52:48 AM
I removed this old post, due to Postimages porn advertising attached to my mango tree pics! Sorry about that...  :o
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on July 04, 2012, 05:13:42 AM
Hi Chris,
You done an excellent job on them grafts 8)

Multi-root grafted trees will grow faster, uptake more nutrient from the soil, resistant to high winds, more draught tolerant and high productivity. 8) which is definitely a plus ;)

Thanks for sharing :)
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on July 04, 2012, 08:44:47 AM
Nicely done.  I like how you grafted the seedlings and then grafted one up higher.  A multi-multi-graft!  I'll have to remember that trick.  Please keep us informed on how that goes.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: nullzero on July 09, 2012, 07:48:40 PM
Graft took on the Opuntia monacantha rootstock. Grafted PARL 244 Opuntia sp. onto the top. Unfortunately it only took on one side, did not have toothpicks on hand when I did it. Next one will be with toothpicks. I am hoping it still grows in nicely. Was pretty easy, probably much easier then grafting other types of plants.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-JL-A779p34s/T_qV02U3DSI/AAAAAAAADM4/o2AxbTEHi8M/s400/P1040851.JPG)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 09, 2012, 11:08:29 PM
that looks wild!  like a pizza slice graft!!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: nullzero on July 09, 2012, 11:16:04 PM
that looks wild!  like a pizza slice graft!!

Yeah, it would of looked so much better if both sides took. Will update with more grafts soon :), I have a lot of fruiting cacti to play around with grafting. Next up Stenocereus gummosus grafted on a chosen rootstock.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: lkailburn on July 17, 2012, 02:59:04 PM
First attempt at mango grafting. Failed o well  :P

(http://s8.postimage.org/9ipfhxbn5/Mango_Graft.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9ipfhxbn5/)

-Luke
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 17, 2012, 03:20:00 PM
try try again.  :)

just don't cut a chunk of your thumb off like my brother did (see of topic)

PS...looks like my brothers finger meat graft may take!  ;D  They reattached the thumb chip they found on the ground, and its fused...and colored up.  He may turn out to be a grafter after all.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: nullzero on July 17, 2012, 03:31:53 PM
Adam,

Going to try the tri graft (pizza cut  :o) Opuntia this weekend possibly. Will update with pics... now just trying to figure how to mark the sections.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 17, 2012, 05:59:31 PM
seems like you could use a hole punch or cookie cutter type of deal to graft cactus?
or papaya..

good luck!

Adam,

Going to try the tri graft (pizza cut  :o) Opuntia this weekend possibly. Will update with pics... now just trying to figure how to mark the sections.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: simon_grow on July 17, 2012, 06:26:31 PM
Tim those are some of the ugliest grafts I've seen.  My double rootstock Maha Chanok looks almost as bad with a large gapeing hole where the graft did not heal.

I did notice something about those ugly grafts that Tim posted and also the ugly graft that I did.  The grafts, although very ugly, took and I noticed that there are petiole scars in very close proximity to where the grafts take.  I wonder if there is higher sap flow or more growth hormones located around the petiole scars which increases the chances of a graft taking.  It is my understanding that new growth often emerges from petiole scars. 
Simon
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: fruit4me on July 29, 2012, 12:29:19 AM
Hi folks, just wanted to share some of my excitement!
I'm so happy! I finally got my first longan graft to take out of at least 15 attempts. It took like four months before the scion started growing. I also did a couple of approach grafts using seedlings onto a mature longan. I think those should have healed already. One was done around thanksgiving and the other was around march. I'm planing to try to induce the seedlings to flower next year. The fastest graft to start pushing is a Neelam mango. It started pushing in just eight days.
That's all for now.
Max

Here are the pixs

Grafted seedling longan on 3/20/12
(http://s10.postimage.org/tartqyy9x/Longan_graft1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/tartqyy9x/)

(http://s7.postimage.org/lnp1rujlj/Longan_graft2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lnp1rujlj/)

Approach graft Longan

(http://s15.postimage.org/mz7gov0d3/inarch_longan.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mz7gov0d3/)

Neelam mango grafted on 7/18/12
(http://s7.postimage.org/cat21h587/Neelam_mango.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/cat21h587/)


Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Mr. Clean on August 07, 2012, 08:19:45 PM
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Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: fyliu on August 07, 2012, 09:03:36 PM
There are different ways to remove apical dominance. You can cut off the growing tip where the growth inhibiting hormone is produced. You can also try to cut the bark a little above the lower graft to stop the hormone from reaching it. The the lower graft will start growing. Another way is let the plant grow large enough that the growing tip is too far away to inhibit the lower graft. Maybe that's not what you want.

If you do cut above the graft, you should realize that you're cutting the phloem that feeds the graft nutrients from the leaves. There's some danger of the graft dying if it's already weak.
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Tropicdude on August 07, 2012, 11:05:39 PM
Quote
Below is a pic of my poly-stock graft onto a Maha Chanok seedling. I aspire to grow a MC seedling as Harry has done

Hey Adacaosky, do you have any updates on your "Poly-Stock" grafts, pictures? I would love to see how these turned out.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Mr. Clean on August 07, 2012, 11:40:46 PM
There are different ways to remove apical dominance. You can cut off the growing tip where the growth inhibiting hormone is produced. You can also try to cut the bark a little above the lower graft to stop the hormone from reaching it. The the lower graft will start growing. Another way is let the plant grow large enough that the growing tip is too far away to inhibit the lower graft. Maybe that's not what you want.

If you do cut above the graft, you should realize that you're cutting the phloem that feeds the graft nutrients from the leaves. There's some danger of the graft dying if it's already weak.

Thank you.  I guess I will let it grow and see what happens.
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: adiel on August 08, 2012, 09:51:58 AM
Good Work.  :)
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Adacaosky on August 08, 2012, 12:26:40 PM
Thanks!!!  ;D  :) I'll be sure to take a few pics tomorrow and post! That's if these thunderstorms go away and they decide to stop trying to dump 4 inches of rain on me like they did yesterday.  :o :o  :o
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Future on August 08, 2012, 01:56:37 PM
Veeeeeery nice work.  I need to get my graft on.
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: ReneeFLL on August 08, 2012, 02:53:22 PM
Hi Chris,
You done an excellent job on them grafts 8)

Multi-root grafted trees will grow faster, uptake more nutrient from the soil, resistant to high winds, more draught tolerant and high productivity. 8) which is definitely a plus ;)

Thanks for sharing :)

I know this is a dumb question, but what did you mean by a multi-root grafted tree?
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: ReneeFLL on August 08, 2012, 02:56:38 PM
Adacaosky I hope I can learn to graft like you. Great job.
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: nullzero on August 08, 2012, 03:11:56 PM
Hi Chris,
You done an excellent job on them grafts 8)

Multi-root grafted trees will grow faster, uptake more nutrient from the soil, resistant to high winds, more draught tolerant and high productivity. 8) which is definitely a plus ;)

Thanks for sharing :)

I know this is a dumb question, but what did you mean by a multi-root grafted tree?

Inarch grafting, used to graft 1 more more additional rootstocks to an existing tree. So they have multiple roostocks which means a stronger tree.
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Tropicdude on August 08, 2012, 03:52:55 PM
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Inarch grafting, used to graft 1 more more additional rootstocks to an existing tree. So they have multiple roostocks which means a stronger tree.

Yep, supposedly also make a mango tree a regular producer, instead of biannual, and possibly more productive.   One nursery in South America is doing this with Citrus,  they use two Tristeza resistant rootstocks, to compensate for the lower productivity of that variety,  they call the one above one below graft "Esclavo" or slave graft.

I have a 8 seedlings growing to experiment with this soon,  Cant wait to see how the ones posted here look, I want to learn all I can on this.
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on August 08, 2012, 05:00:10 PM
Hi Chris,
You done an excellent job on them grafts 8)

Multi-root grafted trees will grow faster, uptake more nutrient from the soil, resistant to high winds, more draught tolerant and high productivity. 8) which is definitely a plus ;)

Thanks for sharing :)

I know this is a dumb question, but what did you mean by a multi-root grafted tree?
Hi Renee,
Nope, it's not a dumb question  :)

Check this out and this site also talk's about the ''slaves'' that William mentioned.
 
http://www.citrolima.com.br/novidades/innarchingen.htm (http://www.citrolima.com.br/novidades/innarchingen.htm)

http://www.citrolima.com.br/novidades/slave.htm (http://www.citrolima.com.br/novidades/slave.htm)

I have successfully done this method with White sapote and lucuma. Renee, it's very easy ;) Grow some extra seedlings for you to practice with and you will see how easy it is to graft...it's not rocket science ;D

Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: ReneeFLL on August 08, 2012, 06:21:08 PM
Nullzero, Tropicdude and Jackfruitwhisperer69 thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Guanabanus on August 08, 2012, 10:09:46 PM
You can dig up the plant and put it back in a pot, then tip it to about 30-degrees, with the bottom graft facing up.  After a few weeks or months, the bottom graft is likely to sprout.
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Adacaosky on August 09, 2012, 06:53:49 AM
Renee, I agree with everyone else in that you can become a great grafter as well. I'm actually still gaining my sea legs. LOL!  ;) ;D 

It's only been a bit over a month since last pics posted, but growth on all multi-rootstock trees have been phenomenal! Some have had 2 flushes of growth!

Sorry it took a while, everyone. Pics as promised:

1) First 4 pics are of a Mallika cleft graft. Total of 2 extra rootstocks. 1 beheaded near soil line, 1 above, with "head" still attached.
(http://s10.postimage.org/b6z0bhx1h/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_030.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/b6z0bhx1h/)
2)
(http://s10.postimage.org/bxrqh9zet/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_031.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bxrqh9zet/)
3)
(http://s10.postimage.org/icqrdy64l/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_032.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/icqrdy64l/)
4)a
(http://s10.postimage.org/6owpjegzp/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_033.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6owpjegzp/)
5)Pics 5,6,7-Keitt seedling with total of 3 rootstocks.
(http://s10.postimage.org/oszq41eo5/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_034.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/oszq41eo5/)
6)
(http://s10.postimage.org/4n0tiw8ed/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_035.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4n0tiw8ed/)
7)
(http://s10.postimage.org/jk9ajwlmt/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_037.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jk9ajwlmt/)
8) 8,9,10,11- Pics of Glenn airlayer
(http://s10.postimage.org/kb20poo05/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_038.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kb20poo05/)
9)
(http://s10.postimage.org/ebe9m137p/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_039.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ebe9m137p/)
10)
(http://s10.postimage.org/ywt1dxksl/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_040.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ywt1dxksl/)
11)
(http://s10.postimage.org/qftj30g3p/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_041.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qftj30g3p/)
12) 12 & 13-Maha Chanok seedling saved from the brink of death with multi-rootstocks and now growing vigorously.
(http://s10.postimage.org/m7yqu9eo5/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_042.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/m7yqu9eo5/)
13)
(http://s10.postimage.org/ak4ozppj9/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_044.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ak4ozppj9/)
14) 14--19- ataulfo aka honey/manila seedling.
(http://s10.postimage.org/47pjpvmh1/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_045.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/47pjpvmh1/)
15)
(http://s10.postimage.org/6djukdpxh/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_046.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6djukdpxh/)
16)
(http://s10.postimage.org/9ykbhcjut/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_047.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9ykbhcjut/)
17)
(http://s10.postimage.org/sfeq85zt1/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_048.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/sfeq85zt1/)
18)
(http://s10.postimage.org/t67gdy26d/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_049.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/t67gdy26d/)
19)
(http://s10.postimage.org/a2e4xlpc5/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_050.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/a2e4xlpc5/)
20) 20,21,22- Julie airlayer
(http://s10.postimage.org/57kfzbr0l/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_051.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/57kfzbr0l/)
21)
(http://s10.postimage.org/5mvpsccxx/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_052.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5mvpsccxx/)
22)
(http://s10.postimage.org/klj6jvybp/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_053.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/klj6jvybp/)
23) 23, 24- Keow savoy seedling. This seedling was saved from the brink of death by multi-rootstock! It now has giant leaves n growing vigorously.
(http://s10.postimage.org/xe7ajt9xh/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_054.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xe7ajt9xh/)
24)
(http://s10.postimage.org/40bk4877p/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_055.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/40bk4877p/)

Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Adacaosky on August 09, 2012, 07:07:15 AM
It's only been a bit over a month between posts. Not much of a dramatic increase by some accounts, but I'll be sure to report any progress on these trees after a few months have passed.  :) :) Thanks a ton, everyone, for being so supportive!   ;D ;) 

Chris
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Pancrazio on August 10, 2012, 07:53:07 AM
Wow, excellet results!
I'd love to be good as you with citrus grafts. Have you any guide to reach you results or have you any suggestion for me?
What kind of grafts are those you used on your citrus? Do they need to be grafted in a particular momenet (like mangos that needs to be grafted when buds starts to push).
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: lkailburn on August 10, 2012, 12:10:00 PM
Excellent job! I'm jealous. I've only just started to attempt grafting and so far everyone has failed hahaha. Practice makes perfect though. I love the multi-stock grafts as well.
Pancrazio - this is a great site with TONS of info on citrus grafting: http://citrus.forumup.org/ (http://citrus.forumup.org/)

-Luke
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Tropicdude on August 10, 2012, 01:09:05 PM
Very nice Chris, good job for sure.   I have a question regarding the rootstocks,  did you start them in small containers and then transplant them near the main tree?  or did you just start them off by planting seeds near the main tree and then graft them when they were big enough?

the reason I ask, is they look like they are very close to the main trunk, and cant wrap my head around how one could get another root system/ball that close.

Some pictures I have seen from an Indian nursery, looks like the just planted 2 seeds in a big put, then grafted them together later, that seems to be the easy way, but the grafts looked really high on those.

One method I was thinking of using was to have two separate 1 gal. seedlings,  growing off center in their polybags.  when they get bigger, I will graft one normal style with the variety I want, then do the approach graft with the other, ( after the first has taken ) once the approach graft is solid, I can either transplant both into a bigger container or put in the ground.

What do you think?
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Pancrazio on August 11, 2012, 09:08:56 AM
Pancrazio - this is a great site with TONS of info on citrus grafting: http://citrus.forumup.org/ (http://citrus.forumup.org/)

Thank you. I'll take a look. Too bad it takes to be registered just to have a look around there.
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Adacaosky on August 11, 2012, 11:16:08 AM
Pancrazio-

I'm in no way an expert, but I can tell you what has worked for me. I have about a 100% take when I graft on rootstock tips which have pushed relatively recently and tips are still green/have not hardened yet. These young rootstock shoots seem to heal fast and attach quickly to the graft. In my experience, try to funnel all growth energy to the new grafts (pinch off any stray growth on rootstock). My Satsuma grafts were actually fruit stems attached to fruit at the market! lol Good luck you your citrus grafts :) :)


Ikailburn,

Thanks for the kind words! I am still getting my "sea legs" as of now. LOL! I've had 40% success on mango cleft grafts. Maybe even less!! Such a heartbreak!!! The multiple rootstocks are to help along the few mango trees I do have. LOL! Good luck and keep at it. :) ;)


Tropicdude,

You have good attention-to-detail! Yes, I did plant mango seeds as they came available right next to the  main trees. I'm not sure of the eventual outcomes, but I want all of them to merge into a nice, wholesome trunk sooner and at an early age, instead of something that might be cut off by a stray weedwacker. lol! At first, I didn't have any spare seeds for a while in order to do the multi-rootstock. When mango season kicked in, I just planted them out into the various pots as I ate the fruits. LOL!
The alternative method you mentioned sounds great! I'm sure they will do just as well. I had a shortage of pots, which is why I chose to put them all together. lol. Plus I wanted 2 or more multi-rootstocks for each tree. Why you see so many is because I went with polyembronic turpentine seeds. I figured they are good for something. lol!

I just wanted to leave you with one tip. In my experience, I have found that if you decapitate the multi-rootstocks at an early age/too early, they will die (despite them looking like they have healed). I found out the hard way that even if they have healed together, they might be too weak to support themselves without their leaves generating food/energy. I would leave their "heads" on until I see unmistakable and vigorous growth around the wound and signs that the mother tree is "swallowing" up the wound. I have lost many multi-rootstocks by beheading them too early. I plan to leave their "heads" on for a year and just snip/pinch off the new growth on the multi-rootstocks, in order to make sure that they are totally healed and merged together. Good luck!

Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Pancrazio on August 11, 2012, 12:19:31 PM
Pancrazio-

I'm in no way an expert, but I can tell you what has worked for me. I have about a 100% take when I graft on rootstock tips which have pushed relatively recently and tips are still green/have not hardened yet. These young rootstock shoots seem to heal fast and attach quickly to the graft. In my experience, try to funnel all growth energy to the new grafts (pinch off any stray growth on rootstock). My Satsuma grafts were actually fruit stems attached to fruit at the market! lol Good luck you your citrus grafts :) :)

Thank you for your suggestion. If i'm able i'll try some of those grafts soon, before winter. Did you use cleft grafts? They seem cleft grafts to me but i'm not an expert and expecially i'm not an expert of citrus grafting tecniques.
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Adacaosky on August 11, 2012, 01:10:16 PM
Yes, you are correct. They are all cleft grafts.  :)
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Tropicdude on August 11, 2012, 01:47:32 PM
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I just wanted to leave you with one tip. In my experience, I have found that if you decapitate the multi-rootstocks at an early age/too early, they will die

Thank you Chris for the advice, I will remember to keep them on, long enough to be fully integrated.
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: lkailburn on August 11, 2012, 02:47:12 PM
Renee, I agree with everyone else in that you can become a great grafter as well. I'm actually still gaining my sea legs. LOL!  ;) ;D 

It's only been a bit over a month since last pics posted, but growth on all multi-rootstock trees have been phenomenal! Some have had 2 flushes of growth!

Sorry it took a while, everyone. Pics as promised:

1) First 4 pics are of a Mallika cleft graft. Total of 2 extra rootstocks. 1 beheaded near soil line, 1 above, with "head" still attached.
(http://s10.postimage.org/b6z0bhx1h/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_030.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/b6z0bhx1h/)
2)
(http://s10.postimage.org/bxrqh9zet/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_031.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bxrqh9zet/)
3)
(http://s10.postimage.org/icqrdy64l/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_032.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/icqrdy64l/)
4)a
(http://s10.postimage.org/6owpjegzp/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_033.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6owpjegzp/)
5)Pics 5,6,7-Keitt seedling with total of 3 rootstocks.
(http://s10.postimage.org/oszq41eo5/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_034.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/oszq41eo5/)
6)
(http://s10.postimage.org/4n0tiw8ed/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_035.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4n0tiw8ed/)
7)
(http://s10.postimage.org/jk9ajwlmt/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_037.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jk9ajwlmt/)
8) 8,9,10,11- Pics of Glenn airlayer
(http://s10.postimage.org/kb20poo05/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_038.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kb20poo05/)
9)
(http://s10.postimage.org/ebe9m137p/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_039.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ebe9m137p/)
10)
(http://s10.postimage.org/ywt1dxksl/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_040.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ywt1dxksl/)
11)
(http://s10.postimage.org/qftj30g3p/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_041.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qftj30g3p/)
12) 12 & 13-Maha Chanok seedling saved from the brink of death with multi-rootstocks and now growing vigorously.
(http://s10.postimage.org/m7yqu9eo5/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_042.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/m7yqu9eo5/)
13)
(http://s10.postimage.org/ak4ozppj9/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_044.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ak4ozppj9/)
14) 14--19- ataulfo aka honey/manila seedling.
(http://s10.postimage.org/47pjpvmh1/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_045.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/47pjpvmh1/)
15)
(http://s10.postimage.org/6djukdpxh/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_046.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6djukdpxh/)
16)
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17)
(http://s10.postimage.org/sfeq85zt1/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_048.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/sfeq85zt1/)
18)
(http://s10.postimage.org/t67gdy26d/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_049.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/t67gdy26d/)
19)
(http://s10.postimage.org/a2e4xlpc5/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_050.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/a2e4xlpc5/)
20) 20,21,22- Julie airlayer
(http://s10.postimage.org/57kfzbr0l/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_051.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/57kfzbr0l/)
21)
(http://s10.postimage.org/5mvpsccxx/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_052.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5mvpsccxx/)
22)
(http://s10.postimage.org/klj6jvybp/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_053.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/klj6jvybp/)
23) 23, 24- Keow savoy seedling. This seedling was saved from the brink of death by multi-rootstock! It now has giant leaves n growing vigorously.
(http://s10.postimage.org/xe7ajt9xh/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_054.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xe7ajt9xh/)
24)
(http://s10.postimage.org/40bk4877p/Grafting_n_hike_to_Tarzan_pools_055.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/40bk4877p/)

So here's an odd question. How come when I click on the photos in this post, postimages' website has ads for porn along with your photo haha

-Luke
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Tropicdude on August 11, 2012, 04:58:09 PM
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So here's an odd question. How come when I click on the photos in this post, postimages' website has ads for porn along with your photo haha

I had to take a look, I didnt see any actual porn, the free web posting site had ads for erectile dysfunction and stuff like that.  down below, the pictures did not link to any porn sites, they were just pictures of sexy girls , no nudity.  one picture linked to a dating site.

Of course the ads I see may be completely different as the advertising is directed towards specific IP.  I always find this kind of funny, when you see these ads for "Find local Women in the DR" and you see pictures of women that no way look Dominican.

Also I did some research into some electronic equipment months ago, and now I often get adds on many sites for that kind of gear.  I hate how they track you online.  if anything I should be seeing ads for mangoes and fertilizer and that sort of thing, not IPTV set top boxes. 
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Tim on August 11, 2012, 05:05:17 PM
Whenever posting pictures, you must select "Family Safe" to avoid those unnecessary ads...that's if you  deem them as such ;D
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Adacaosky on August 11, 2012, 08:39:52 PM
Is that what happened??? I didn't know it would automatically go "all out" if that button isn't selected..

Duly noted! Thanks for the heads up and tip, Tim and Ikailburn.  :o :o :o
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: Adacaosky on August 11, 2012, 08:49:54 PM
Since "Postimages" website is advertising porn along with my mango pics (totally embarrassing), I'll just remove the old post.

Note to self: remember to always select "family safe" button on Postimages website while uploading or porn will be advertised along with your mango tree pics and your mango trees will go into shock and catch venerealanthracnose.

Sorry! Had no idea what was going on because I posted and didn't go back to review the pics. Guess I should from now on... Silly ol' Postimages... Making me look like I work for Ty ty....
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: lkailburn on August 11, 2012, 08:55:18 PM
Haha no worries. I think you're right it was E.D. Ads. Haha it just caught me off guard is all

-Luke
Title: Super Carrie (aka Harry Carrie) Grafting Success
Post by: MarinFla on September 06, 2012, 11:41:02 PM
I am happy to announce I finally have achieved grafting success!!  50% of the 6 Super Carrie  (aka Harry Carrie)  grafts took that I did at the end of July.
2 scions onto my Carrie tree and 1 scion onto my Keitt tree. This is so exciting for me as I have not had any of my mango grafts take until now....thanks Harry for the scions!! This grafting thing just keeps getting more fun!  ;D

(http://s13.postimage.org/ygal5mafn/super_carrie_onto_keitt.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ygal5mafn/)


Title: Re: Super Carrie (aka Harry Carrie) Grafting Success
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on September 07, 2012, 12:00:24 AM
Congrats!  :)
Title: Re: Super Carrie (aka Harry Carrie) Grafting Success
Post by: lkailburn on September 07, 2012, 12:24:56 AM
That's great!! Congrats

-Luke
Title: Re: Super Carrie (aka Harry Carrie) Grafting Success
Post by: Tropicdude on September 07, 2012, 12:32:54 AM
Congratulations, feels good eh?
Title: Re: Super Carrie (aka Harry Carrie) Grafting Success
Post by: Fiddlewood on September 07, 2012, 06:39:49 AM
that is awesome. way to go!
Title: Re: Super Carrie (aka Harry Carrie) Grafting Success
Post by: HMHausman on September 07, 2012, 07:36:46 AM
Nicely done, Marin.  Was glad to allow you to collect the budwood when you were over. I would be thrilled with a 50% take.  I think you guys in the medical field have some edge over me in the grafting department.  I can mince words as well as anyone.....but my skills with the knife are consistantly less than impressive.

Harry
Title: Re: Super Carrie (aka Harry Carrie) Grafting Success
Post by: Future on September 07, 2012, 08:27:19 AM
Fabulous.  I need to get practising on my hibiscus hedge.
Title: Re: Super Carrie (aka Harry Carrie) Grafting Success
Post by: Mr. Clean on September 07, 2012, 08:34:23 AM
Congratulations!
Title: Re: Super Carrie (aka Harry Carrie) Grafting Success
Post by: adiel on September 07, 2012, 09:35:51 AM
Good Job Marin.  :)
Title: Re: grafting practice pics
Post by: MarinFla on September 07, 2012, 02:02:57 PM
Quote
So here's an odd question. How come when I click on the photos in this post, postimages' website has ads for porn along with your photo haha

I had to take a look, I didnt see any actual porn, the free web posting site had ads for erectile dysfunction and stuff like that.  down below, the pictures did not link to any porn sites, they were just pictures of sexy girls , no nudity.  one picture linked to a dating site.

Of course the ads I see may be completely different as the advertising is directed towards specific IP.  I always find this kind of funny, when you see these ads for "Find local Women in the DR" and you see pictures of women that no way look Dominican.

Also I did some research into some electronic equipment months ago, and now I often get adds on many sites for that kind of gear.  I hate how they track you online.  if anything I should be seeing ads for mangoes and fertilizer and that sort of thing, not IPTV set top boxes.

I was looking at the pics too and got pop ups on my screen AT WORK! for half naked women trying proposition me. I doubt that was IP directed since I work in an OB-GYN office of almost 98% female employees! They are coming from the hosting site I think.
Title: Re: Super Carrie (aka Harry Carrie) Grafting Success
Post by: MarinFla on September 07, 2012, 02:12:18 PM
Congratulations, feels good eh?
Totally- It gives me great encouragement!! I had been feeling discouraged since none of my mango grafts had taken to this point. I actually think one more may be viable still too. I unwrapped them and one more is still very green but hasn't pushed yet so I may be at 67% which is amazing. Maybe it is because they are truly 'Super Carrie' scions...
Title: Re: Super Carrie (aka Harry Carrie) Grafting Success
Post by: Mr. Clean on September 07, 2012, 04:50:48 PM
Congratulations, feels good eh?
Totally- It gives me great encouragement!! I had been feeling discouraged since none of my mango grafts had taken to this point. I actually think one more may be viable still too. I unwrapped them and one more is still very green but hasn't pushed yet so I may be at 67% which is amazing. Maybe it is because they are truly 'Super Carrie' scions...

I've only got Avocados grafts to take, which are softer wood than Mangos.  My mango grafts have all died.  Your success gives me hope that I can graft some mangos too...someday...  :-)
Title: Re: Super Carrie (aka Harry Carrie) Grafting Success
Post by: jcaldeira on September 07, 2012, 05:27:27 PM
I've only got Avocados grafts to take, which are softer wood than Mangos.  My mango grafts have all died.  Your success gives me hope that I can graft some mangos too...someday...  :-)

I've also had a harder time grafting mango, compared to citrus and avocado.  However, I've done enough now to have learned two things:
1) The mango scion wood should have swollen, almost breaking-out buds to be successful.  I've had a lot of scions stay green for more than a month but simply would not push new growth, and die after that.
2) Mango rootstocks in the ground have been more successful for me than mango seedlings in bags.  Presumably it's because the in-ground plants are growing more vigorously and pushing more sap.

John 
Title: Grafting carambola need help
Post by: TREESNMORE on September 09, 2012, 09:50:45 AM
Grafting carambola's do I need to bag when I use parafilm, Thank You
(http://s17.postimage.org/js5xrs1sr/025.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/js5xrs1sr/)

(http://s17.postimage.org/js5xrs1sr/025.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/js5xrs1sr/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Guanabanus on September 09, 2012, 10:42:55 PM
No.  Redundant.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on September 18, 2012, 02:35:20 AM
How's this for sexiness?  I haven't been lucky enough to get fat rootstocks to work with  :'( 
Here's how big the scion & rootstock I've got to work with.  That's actually not what I wanted to share but rather length of the cut... 2.5" on the scion.  Just want to see what people have to work with and what's the longest cut that you successfully grafted.

(http://s7.postimage.org/51omdz6s7/20120904_222109.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/51omdz6s7/)

(http://s7.postimage.org/4q7617qc7/20120904_222121.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4q7617qc7/)

(http://s7.postimage.org/wg3r25f6f/20120904_223015.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/wg3r25f6f/)

(http://s7.postimage.org/qgfzyhudz/20120904_223249.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qgfzyhudz/)

(http://s7.postimage.org/45s4yix3r/20120904_224707.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/45s4yix3r/)

After the last leaf drop, had to downsize to 1.5water bottle (one taped on top of another) ;D for better moisture control.
(http://s7.postimage.org/qvr9rigbb/20120911_231355.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qvr9rigbb/)

The last two pictures were taken this evening (9/17/12)
(http://s7.postimage.org/dsvn88q3b/20120917_224521.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/dsvn88q3b/)

(http://s7.postimage.org/3k7rg5rfb/20120917_225411.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3k7rg5rfb/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: fyliu on September 18, 2012, 04:11:16 AM
How do you keep the scion aligned while you're wrapping. I find that a bit tricky. Do you a small clip?
Title: Finally, A successful mango graft...YIPPEE :)
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on September 18, 2012, 06:00:23 AM
Hi fellow members,  :)

Just wanted to share pics from my first successful mango graft 8) The budwood was collected in Santa Cruz, from a seedling tree. The fruits are of medium size, with a yellow/orange flesh and also a bit fibrous. The method of graft i used...is cleft graft.

(http://s18.postimage.org/krgnzvlpx/IMG_9771.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/krgnzvlpx/)

(http://s18.postimage.org/fnpeboalx/IMG_9770.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/fnpeboalx/)

(http://s18.postimage.org/slco7j451/IMG_9769.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/slco7j451/)

Take care,
Steven





Title: Re: Finally, A successful mango graft...YIPPEE :)
Post by: Felipe on September 18, 2012, 06:22:39 AM
The first steps of a master grafter ;) Congratullations!
Title: Re: Finally, A successful mango graft...YIPPEE :)
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on September 18, 2012, 06:31:01 AM
The first steps of a master grafter ;) Congratullations!

Hola Felipe,
Thanks ;D Guess who inspired me to do a deep cleft graft ??? You did!!! Remember that deep cleft graft that Sr. Domingos did and you posted a pic 8) I done the same and it's kick'n mighty fine ;D ;D ;D So, this graft is dedicated to you, Felipe :) Thanks a bunch for sharing that pic :)

Saludos ;)
Title: Re: Finally, A successful mango graft...YIPPEE :)
Post by: zands on September 18, 2012, 06:57:54 AM
The first steps of a master grafter ;) Congratullations!

Hola Felipe,
Thanks ;D Guess who inspired me to do a deep cleft graft ??? You did!!! Remember that deep cleft graft that Sr. Domingos did and you posted a pic 8) I done the same and it's kick'n mighty fine ;D ;D ;D So, this graft is dedicated to you, Felipe :) Thanks a bunch for sharing that pic :)

Saludos ;)

What is a deep cleft graft? 2 inches?
Congratulations! After my mango graft experiments this summer I rate looking for swollen buds on scions as important. Some graft videos show them stripping 8 inches of leaves from scion wood one month before they cut the scion wood off the tree. This stimulates budding (swollen buds) This is optimum and what a serious grafting people in India or Africa was doing. Harder for us at home to time and coordinate IIRC this was the 4 part Senegal mango graft video on youtube

Peace Corps Senegal: Mango Grafting (4 of 4) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et3-BaxmQoI#ws)
Title: Re: Finally, A successful mango graft...YIPPEE :)
Post by: lkailburn on September 18, 2012, 09:07:50 AM
Congrats Steven!

-Luke
Title: Re: Finally, A successful mango graft...YIPPEE :)
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on September 18, 2012, 10:48:31 AM
The first steps of a master grafter ;) Congratullations!

Hola Felipe,
Thanks ;D Guess who inspired me to do a deep cleft graft ??? You did!!! Remember that deep cleft graft that Sr. Domingos did and you posted a pic 8) I done the same and it's kick'n mighty fine ;D ;D ;D So, this graft is dedicated to you, Felipe :) Thanks a bunch for sharing that pic :)

Saludos ;)

What is a deep cleft graft? 2 inches?
Congratulations! After my mango graft experiments this summer I rate looking for swollen buds on scions as important. Some graft videos show them stripping 8 inches of leaves from scion wood one month before they cut the scion wood off the tree. This stimulates budding (swollen buds) This is optimum and what a serious grafting people in India or Africa was doing. Harder for us at home to time and coordinate IIRC this was the 4 part Senegal mango graft video on youtube

Peace Corps Senegal: Mango Grafting (4 of 4) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et3-BaxmQoI#ws)

Howdy Zands,
Thanks :) The depth is definitely around 2 inches or more. I will keep you posted, when i unwrap the graft. The material that i used to wrap the graft...normal plastic strip and i did bag the graft  ;) Mangos definitely want to be grafted in the hottest months for a successful take and development. I can't go there every day, so I choose a scion with the fattest buds...which haven't started to push, only about to push. After, two weeks, the scion started to show signs that it will sprout soon. The scion sprouted 4 shoots and i only left the strongest shoot...the rest was removed.

Zands, the fatter the buds, the better for a successful graft. I once saw a presentation from a friend about mangos...and he did say that when a mango is grafted without proper swollen buds on the scion, the graft will take, but will not sprout. Removing the leaves will definitely speed up the process for the buds to get fat and ready for grafting...I reckon with epi's, you should use young(scion) fully developed buds to take...I haven't trialed mango epi's , yet. I need to do that someday and shine some light on this issue :)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on September 18, 2012, 10:54:07 AM
I didn't use anything to hold them together, too concerned with it being crushed as the scion is very young and tender, you can probably tell by the leaves color.  It was falling all over the place while wrapping it took forever, and I only used buddy tape.  No need for extra strength grafting or nursery tape.

How do you keep the scion aligned while you're wrapping. I find that a bit tricky. Do you a small clip?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on September 18, 2012, 11:01:42 AM
Congrats Steven!

-Luke

Hi Luke,
Thank you :) Hey Luke, You should try to get some apple rootstocks(or other types of temperates) and get your revenge this spring ;) I will share a beginner's method to get them temperate kick'n :)

Title: Re: Finally, A successful mango graft...YIPPEE :)
Post by: Pancrazio on September 18, 2012, 02:41:32 PM
Congratulation!
Since i saw several graft of yours i didn't expect that this was your first mango graft!
It's pretty exciting to be able to reproduce a new specie.

Mangos definitely want to be grafted in the hottest months for a successful take and development. I can't go there every day, so I choose a scion with the fattest buds...which haven't started to push, only about to push. After, two weeks, the scion started to show signs that it will sprout soon. The scion sprouted 4 shoots and i only left the strongest shoot...the rest was removed.

I agree on the heat required. Here the best month is july, without any doubt. You haven't only to think about the heat needed for the scion to take, but also about having enought heat to let the growt sprout to harden well before winter!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: MangoFang on September 18, 2012, 05:23:16 PM
Wow fellow inmates- so great everyone to see such success in grafting mangos!
I'm still 2 for 13 myself - they'd have cut me from the majors by now.... :'(

My problem was too much heat (in the desert) when I grafted.  Really by May it's almost too late here to graft.  I had a 3rd graft take but during a June heat wave, it just couldn't and didn't survive.  The other two are doing great, and partly shaded for now.

Thanks for all the good advice, everyone....


Fanglish
Title: Re: Finally, A successful mango graft...YIPPEE :)
Post by: zands on September 18, 2012, 09:02:20 PM


Howdy Zands,
Thanks :) The depth is definitely around 2 inches or more. I will keep you posted, when i unwrap the graft. The material that i used to wrap the graft...normal plastic strip and i did bag the graft  ;) Mangos definitely want to be grafted in the hottest months for a successful take and development. I can't go there every day, so I choose a scion with the fattest buds...which haven't started to push, only about to push. After, two weeks, the scion started to show signs that it will sprout soon. The scion sprouted 4 shoots and i only left the strongest shoot...the rest was removed.

Zands, the fatter the buds, the better for a successful graft. I once saw a presentation from a friend about mangos...and he did say that when a mango is grafted without proper swollen buds on the scion, the graft will take, but will not sprout. Removing the leaves will definitely speed up the process for the buds to get fat and ready for grafting...I reckon with epi's, you should use young(scion) fully developed buds to take...I haven't trialed mango epi's , yet. I need to do that someday and shine some light on this issue :)

Thanks for all that and the informations on the 2" deep cleft grafting. I see other kinds grafting that is also done with 1.5-2 inches of contact. Spring and summer heat + their greater biological activity is best for grafting results but I can get swollen buds on potential scion wood next week here. It is still warm enough here (Florida) to successfully graft in my untutored opinion. The success rate may be lower but can still graft ...talking mangoes here/
Title: Re: Finally, A successful mango graft...YIPPEE :)
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on September 19, 2012, 02:57:30 PM
Congratulation!
Since i saw several graft of yours i didn't expect that this was your first mango graft!
It's pretty exciting to be able to reproduce a new specie.
I agree on the heat required. Here the best month is july, without any doubt. You haven't only to think about the heat needed for the scion to take, but also about having enought heat to let the growt sprout to harden well before winter!

Hi Pan,
Thank you :) Yup, it's the first time i got the king to push ;D The reason why i wasn't successful with mango grafts before...Is because i grafted at the wrong time of year, didn't choose the right scion and the lousy rootstocks from a supermarket mango seed. All of these culprits doomed my success :'( Now, i am turning the tables on the king ;D I agree with you, Pan...Most definitely, July onwards is the best time for grafting mango!!!

This shoot is already hardened and i will give it some fert...to help with another flush of growth, before winter...We get some real cold(no frost) in November, here in the highlands of Funchal.


Wow fellow inmates- so great everyone to see such success in grafting mangos!
I'm still 2 for 13 myself - they'd have cut me from the majors by now.... :'(
My problem was too much heat (in the desert) when I grafted.  Really by May it's almost too late here to graft.  I had a 3rd graft take but during a June heat wave, it just couldn't and didn't survive.  The other two are doing great, and partly shaded for now.
Thanks for all the good advice, everyone....
Fanglish

Hi Presa Do Deserto/Fang Of The Desert, ;D
2/13 8) is better than nothing :) I reckon it's better to graft them and then bring them indoors or in a cool shaded location, out of the blazing heat of the desert. Always bag them graft's to keep them nice and humid ;) Don't give up inmate ;D You will surely get them kick'n in the desert :)

Thanks for all that and the informations on the 2" deep cleft grafting. I see other kinds grafting that is also done with 1.5-2 inches of contact. Spring and summer heat + their greater biological activity is best for grafting results but I can get swollen buds on potential scion wood next week here. It is still warm enough here (Florida) to successfully graft in my untutored opinion. The success rate may be lower but can still graft ...talking mangoes here/

Hi Zands,
Your welcome :)
1.5-2 inch range is more than enough for a successfully take, Larger the area of cambium contact ;) Yeah, since it's still warm in Florida...you can most definitely get them to push 8) Citrus is another one that loves to be grafted in summer and heal freak'n fast :o Late summer is also great to graft canistel ;) Just running my mouth here ;D ;D ;D


Fellow members...I created a new type of graft and i will share soon...it's going to be EPIC!!!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on September 26, 2012, 12:44:04 PM
Steven - where's this new grafting technique you mentioned?  Would love to see it.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on September 26, 2012, 01:10:36 PM
Update on the Lemon Zest & Timatayo grafts ... (both grafts were done using really young tender scions~not harden).  Did 5 grafts so far this year and only 2 takes, 2 fails, 1 got destroyed by something.

Simon - what do you think?  Graft your own or take this off my hands?

(http://s16.postimage.org/i4drqqey9/20120925_172218.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/i4drqqey9/)

(http://s16.postimage.org/z66lstttd/20120925_172309.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/z66lstttd/)

(http://s16.postimage.org/tw1n1j9kh/20120925_172339.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/tw1n1j9kh/)


This is a Timotayo mango side veneer graft done back in July, trying to push it's 2nd time since.
(http://s16.postimage.org/dmbgymywh/20120925_172617.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/dmbgymywh/)

(http://s16.postimage.org/8oxwdiwxd/20120925_172709.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8oxwdiwxd/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: simon_grow on September 26, 2012, 01:45:39 PM
Hey Tim, I'll definitely take that off your hands if you still have that available. I'll always go for the sure bet. Is that the Lemon Zest graft? If I get this tree, I would like to add multiple rootstocks towns it stronger. Thanks for the offer Tim!
Simon
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on September 26, 2012, 02:15:30 PM
Tim,

Wicked sleek graftmanship skillz man.

Thanks for posting, and giving us the skinny on this long skinny graft.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on September 26, 2012, 02:19:54 PM
It's all yours, mang!!!  It is a Lemon Zest graft off my tree, Manila rootstock btw.  Gotta warn you though, it's grafted pretty low, on top of that the cut itself is 2.5" so you can't really do much except graft onto the scion but that will be much later.  I have some Passiflora edulis flavicarpa seedlings you can have.

Hey Tim, I'll definitely take that off your hands if you still have that available. I'll always go for the sure bet. Is that the Lemon Zest graft? If I get this tree, I would like to add multiple rootstocks towns it stronger. Thanks for the offer Tim!
Simon
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: HMHausman on September 26, 2012, 02:48:53 PM
Update on the Lemon Zest & Timatayo grafts ... (both grafts were done using really young tender scions~not harden).  Did 5 grafts so far this year and only 2 takes, 2 fails, 1 got destroyed by something.

Simon - what do you think?  Graft your own or take this off my hands?

(http://s16.postimage.org/i4drqqey9/20120925_172218.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/i4drqqey9/)

(http://s16.postimage.org/z66lstttd/20120925_172309.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/z66lstttd/)

(http://s16.postimage.org/tw1n1j9kh/20120925_172339.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/tw1n1j9kh/)


This is a Timotayo mango side veneer graft done back in July, trying to push it's 2nd time since.
(http://s16.postimage.org/dmbgymywh/20120925_172617.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/dmbgymywh/)

(http://s16.postimage.org/8oxwdiwxd/20120925_172709.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8oxwdiwxd/)


Wow.....that is some long a$$ grafting.  I don't know how you get such an even cut for long a stretch of scion.  You are a greater man than I....in the grafting world, anyway.  I'll have to try this method.  Do tell your secrets to long thin slicing.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on September 26, 2012, 04:02:55 PM
Steven - where's this new grafting technique you mentioned?  Would love to see it.

Hi Tim,
I will take a pic of the graft and share what i done :) It's called Steven's ''soft'' avocado graft ;D ;D ;D

Congrat's on the job well done on them mangos 8) Deep cleft graft looks freak'n awesome 8)

Title: Steven's ''Soft'' Avocado Graft!!!
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on September 26, 2012, 05:04:54 PM
Hi fellow members,

I forgot about this...Thanks for reminding me, Tim :)

Here goes nothing ;D ;D ;D

I had a couple of tender shoots that i removed from the Cannon ball graft i done. Then I thought to my self, why not graft a tender young shoot, with a tender epicotyl shoot...So, i done a side-vaneer graft, that matched and i bagged the plant, as usual ;) First two weeks or so, all was well and healed...but, then the graft started to dieback :'( So, I pinched the scion back to the rootstock...Oh well, it will be a skin graft :( Then suddenly, this badboy started to kick, few weeks later and I decapitated the rootstock to give the graft the energy to grow happy and proud 8)   

(http://s11.postimage.org/rd55789lb/IMG_9849.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/rd55789lb/)

(http://s11.postimage.org/d6pg5hn9r/IMG_9853.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/d6pg5hn9r/)

(http://s11.postimage.org/h0s364jdb/IMG_9857.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/h0s364jdb/)

CONCLUSION It's a fun graft to do...Though, it ain't a reliable graft, like cleft, side vaneer, shield-budding...etc

Glad, i could share this graft with them grafting locos like me ;D ;D ;D ;D I'm hooked to the bone  :blank: ;D
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on September 26, 2012, 06:52:26 PM
Thanks for the kind words but I don't think i'm any better, otherwise I wouldn't have failed so bad with the scions you sent me  ;D 
Just wanted to see if I can be successful going against conventional wisdom with a ridiculous cut on a smaller tender scion, you don't have to have the perfect scion for success.

If you must know... Well I knew before hand hydration is very important so I helped myself out with a nice 22oz glass of Ballast Point Big Eye IPA before, during and after the entire process ;D  jk jk ... if anything, I got lucky with the long skinny cut.  Though working with the small tender scion, I had to go slow just to not cut it in half.  Kept it clean & hydrated, the hardest part for me was wrapping, it flopped all over the place, took me forever. 

The longer the cut, the more possible cambium contact ... that was my thinking.
Wow.....that is some long a$$ grafting.  I don't know how you get such an even cut for long a stretch of scion.  You are a greater man than I....in the grafting world, anyway.  I'll have to try this method.  Do tell your secrets to long thin slicing.


Adam - surely, you must have done something like this or even crazier, please share those wicked graft pictures.
Tim,

Wicked sleek graftmanship skillz man.

Thanks for posting, and giving us the skinny on this long skinny graft.

Steven - thanks buddy.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: aiwelaweka on October 18, 2012, 02:59:49 AM

(http://s11.postimage.org/5p48x6b4f/2012_09_15_09_43_59_629.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5p48x6b4f/)


My first attempt at grafting. Rapoza scion onto common mango rootstock.  9 cleft graft and 2 side grafts.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: aiwelaweka on October 18, 2012, 03:09:06 AM

(http://s8.postimage.org/dz3owd7yp/2012_10_04_10_03_34_698.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/dz3owd7yp/)
This is the first graft that took.


(http://s11.postimage.org/lnm5esk3z/2012_10_10_07_55_13_662.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lnm5esk3z/)
I got 6 out of 9 for cleft graft and 0 for 2 with the side grafts.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 18, 2012, 03:15:08 AM
aiwelaweka,

great job...now u can start trying some more grafts, and maybe some different species and techniques...

here's a pic of a Black Beauty Eugenia uniflora...which i've found to be somewhat difficult to graft.

I've heard that this variety of Surinam cherry is by far the best of all!  No trace of resin taste.  (I've heard from a few reliable surinam enthusiasts that this one lives up to it's reputation!) I will let u know hopefully early next year...just how resin free and delicious this cv. is for me!
(http://s9.postimage.org/bqdzba23f/10_06_2012_009.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bqdzba23f/)

(http://s9.postimage.org/5j2lb46cb/10_06_2012_010.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5j2lb46cb/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on October 18, 2012, 10:40:50 AM
aiwelaweka - are you sure that's your first time?  Congrats on your successful takes...Very impressive stats for a beginner.

Adam - you know you're sick when one of your plants has its own garden chair  ;D
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 18, 2012, 01:26:51 PM
aiwelaweka - are you sure that's your first time?  Congrats on your successful takes...Very impressive stats for a beginner.

Adam - you know you're sick when one of your plants has its own garden chair  ;D

LOL Tim,

I just set it on a chair for the photo!

it would get too dry up there on the chair.

But my yard is a mess as you can see from the pics.  And yes...I'm sick...I will have cherapu seedlings basically sleeping next to me in bed on the coldest nights of this winter!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: CoPlantNut on October 18, 2012, 02:45:36 PM
Adam - you know you're sick when one of your plants has its own garden chair  ;D

LOL Tim,

I just set it on a chair for the photo!

it would get too dry up there on the chair.

But my yard is a mess as you can see from the pics.  And yes...I'm sick...I will have cherapu seedlings basically sleeping next to me in bed on the coldest nights of this winter!

I prefer not to think of it as a sickness, but instead as a healthy lifestyle choice.

Wait...  Wasn't that what the tobacco companies said too?  :)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: aiwelaweka on October 18, 2012, 05:42:05 PM
aiwelaweka - are you sure that's your first time?  Congrats on your successful takes...Very impressive stats for a beginner.

Adam - you know you're sick when one of your plants has its own garden chair  ;D

Thanks Tim, it was my first attempt, but i studied up on grafting pretty thoroughly over the past 10 months as i waited for my rootstocks to get big enough.  My second attempt which was 16 days ago got me 9 out of 10.  I'm pretty excited about that.  Now i have Rapoza, nom doc mai, manzanillo, and kiett.

I'm starting a tropical fruit orchard and plan on doing a lot of grafting. I am about to start with avocados and i have. About 50 citrus root stocks waiting in line.

Surinam cherry grows wild here in Hawaii it would be interesting to try a cultivar that had a better after taste
Title: My First Successful Graft on a Seedling Rootstock. :-)
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on October 20, 2012, 05:14:40 PM
I grabbed a scion from my ndm #4 and grafted it on a seedling that my aunt gave me to graft for her. This graft is 2 weeks old.  :)


(http://s8.postimage.org/xwqr12he9/IMG_20121020_131956.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xwqr12he9/)


(http://s9.postimage.org/xf4qp74e3/IMG_20121020_131944.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xf4qp74e3/)



(http://s8.postimage.org/bwxu0iykx/IMG_20121020_131934.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bwxu0iykx/)



(http://s14.postimage.org/pkmv9nex9/IMG_20121020_131927.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/pkmv9nex9/)
Title: Re: My First Successful Graft on a Seedling Rootstock. :-)
Post by: TnTrobbie on October 20, 2012, 05:19:55 PM
Sweet!!!! Now you've got a regular NDM ;D . Do you know what the seedling was?
Title: Re: My First Successful Graft on a Seedling Rootstock. :-)
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on October 20, 2012, 05:31:23 PM
Sweet!!!! Now you've got a regular NDM ;D . Do you know what the seedling was?

lol Thanks.  :) The cultivar of the mango that the seed came from is unknown. One of my aunt's friends gave her the mango and my aunt liked it. But, it was a mono-seed so it wouldn't be the same type of mango as the mother tree.
Title: Re: My First Successful Graft on a Seedling Rootstock. :-)
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 20, 2012, 06:23:09 PM
great job!

keep grafting!!

maybe make a cocktail mango tree one day!

Title: Re: My First Successful Graft on a Seedling Rootstock. :-)
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on October 20, 2012, 06:28:03 PM
Thanks! I will do a cocktail tree sooner or later.  :)
Title: Re: My First Successful Graft on a Seedling Rootstock. :-)
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 20, 2012, 09:58:43 PM
Good work! Mangoes are harder to graft towards the end of summer. Looks like you did a great job, especially considering that it sprouted that vigorously in only 2 weeks!
Title: Re: My First Successful Graft on a Seedling Rootstock. :-)
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on October 20, 2012, 11:27:33 PM
Good work! Mangoes are harder to graft towards the end of summer. Looks like you did a great job, especially considering that it sprouted that vigorously in only 2 weeks!

Thanks Jeff! The temps have been pretty hot. In fact, not much different from summer. I have another young mango seedling, but it's still too skinny and I'm not pushing the limit any further when it comes to mango grafting season. I'll be grafting it this upcoming late spring or summer.  :)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: TnTrobbie on October 21, 2012, 07:14:55 AM
So ok, newbie question here. Would a green mango seed germinate? Or would I have to wait for the mango to ripen first before attempting to germinate the seed?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Guanabanus on October 21, 2012, 11:08:40 AM
The mango fruit must be mature, but not necessarily soft-ripe, for the seed to be viable.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: TnTrobbie on October 21, 2012, 11:35:08 AM
Thanks Har  :) .
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on October 22, 2012, 07:15:27 AM
AWESOME all them grafts look great...You guys done an excellent job with them grafts 8)

Thanks for sharing :)

Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jsvand5 on October 22, 2012, 01:46:37 PM
This is a Pace mamey that I am trying an inverted rootstock graft on. It's about a week old at this point. The size of the scion and root didn't match up well so I am not expecting much. Looks good so far I guess.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f361/pfan151/IMG_2234.jpg)

Kahaluu avocado. Graft is a couple months old so I assume it is a take. Just wish it would push a couple leaves.

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f361/pfan151/IMG_2239.jpg)

Trying to graft over my grafted caimito onto a seedling caimito. I picked up a grafted one in Puerto Rico. The grafted one does not seem to be doing all that well so I am trying to graft it over on to a seedling just incase my grafted one dies.

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f361/pfan151/IMG_2240.jpg)

This is a horrible pic of a  grafted acahachairu that I am trying to graft into the top of a 4 ft seedling I have. I am going to keep the bottom 4ft seedling stock and then have the grafted section above that.

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f361/pfan151/IMG_2244.jpg)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on October 22, 2012, 02:54:11 PM
Hi John,

The grafts you done look great...think positive they will surely sprout :)

You should cover the caimito graft, to keep it humid, to allow the cambium to grow...I notice the cambium hardens fairly quickly being exposed to the air. I approached grafted my Lucuma and when i severed the connection from the tree, i wraped the whole graft to keep it humid (Don't forget to bag the plant after removing from the mother plant) and allow the cambium to grow freely...then i noticed the lucuma graft was starting to flush, i removed the bag and grafting tape...the camdium with in a day, it hardened 8)

Good luck :) 
Title: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: kh0110 on November 01, 2012, 01:05:58 AM
Not sure if this has been posted and I don't know how to search for this graft. So here it is.

I got below grafting pictures from Figs4Fun posted by user handarius. The method was applied successfully to figs and I'm wondering if it could be applied to any other plant as it seems extremely easy AND with maximum cambium contact.

The only constraint I see is that the scion and the rootstock must be of approximately the same size. Scion could be a little larger than the rootstock (same as cleft graft).

So has anyone here experimented with this method yet with trees other than fig trees?

Rootstock:
(http://s13.postimage.org/7rt30fgdv/handarius_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7rt30fgdv/)

Scions:
(http://s9.postimage.org/7otodwz7f/handarius_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7otodwz7f/)

Union:
(http://s13.postimage.org/n1xjld19v/handarius_3.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/n1xjld19v/)
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: Tropicdude on November 01, 2012, 01:26:39 AM
Looks cool, I would like to try this on mango,  the fact that you may be able to match cambium at the bottom AND top  horizontal part  in addition to the vertical, may have an advantage.   plus it looks more fool proof than a wedge.  as my biggest problem is getting a nice wedge angle, i either cut off too much or the angle is wrong, then i have to whittle.   in this type graft its just straight cuts. 
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: Tim on November 01, 2012, 01:43:31 AM
Mangofang & JF posted pictures of Eunice demonstrating this particular grafting method some months back, the mango grafts she did at that time, unfortunately, were not successful.
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: Ethan on November 01, 2012, 01:49:01 AM
Shelf graft, is what Eunice called it and it is what she uses for grafting mangoes and perhaps other trees.
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: kh0110 on November 01, 2012, 01:53:35 AM
Shelf graft, is what Eunice called it and it is what she uses for grafting mangoes and perhaps other trees.

Thank you, Ethan, now I have a name for the graft.
After Tim's post, I was frantically searching for the graft based on Eunice's name.  :)
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: nullzero on November 01, 2012, 02:03:40 AM
Interesting graft, something I would love to try.
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on November 01, 2012, 01:05:00 PM
Hi Thera,

This type of graft is very successful...I have down one with a rose, this method was one of my first grafts and the cleft method :)

I did once plan to modify this graft and make it more bullet proof...will do some grafts with my modified graft and see if it's great or not ;)
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 01, 2012, 01:46:03 PM
Cleft works really well for figs!

I like the pics of the shelf graft!

thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on November 01, 2012, 05:10:01 PM
Here's the rose i grafted using this method :)


(http://s7.postimage.org/e83ae8ck7/IMG_0566.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/e83ae8ck7/)
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 01, 2012, 05:14:43 PM
super cool Steven.  The graft looks great.

I imagine you could graft annonas like this...also loquat.

I have a method for grafting loquat that works very well..I guess it's called a wedge graft? I just basically do a cleft graft/mixed with a veneer.  It's hard to explain, but easy to do.

I will post pics of how I do it soon.

Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on November 01, 2012, 05:31:43 PM
Hi Adam,
Thanks, Buddy :)

We can sertainly use this graft for a bunch of fruit trees. I find annonas grafts are quite weak for the first few months...I almost lost a tree with the wind :(

Adam, that's the graft i was thinking of doing ;D I drew it in my notebook, so that i can do this graft...but, never got to it. It's truly is a simple graft to do 8)

Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: kh0110 on November 01, 2012, 09:53:05 PM
Steven, thank you for the heads up. Looking forward to the details of your modified graft.

Adam, I'm actually thinking of trying this graft on the annonas scions I just got from you. I know that grafting season is way gone, but experimenting season is never ending.  :)

Tim, I've bee trying to find the posts you were talking about without success. Are they already gone or are there certains search terms I could use to get to them? Thanks in advance.

BTW, credits of the pictures that I posted here go to user "handarius" from Figs4Fun forum and I watermarked them purposedly.


Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 01, 2012, 09:59:10 PM
here is the graft I like to do for loquat sometimes.

(http://www.hibiscusworld.com/howie/graft1.jpg)
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: kh0110 on November 03, 2012, 02:16:30 AM
here is the graft I like to do for loquat sometimes.

(http://www.hibiscusworld.com/howie/graft1.jpg)

This is a pro level graft, Adam. As a noob, I won't be attempting this anytime soon.  :)
Let us know how it goes with you loquat graft when you have time to get to it.
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 03, 2012, 09:28:52 AM
Thera

no no no!

this graft is one of the easiest!

you should try it as a newb!

inverted root graft will be too hard for a beginner!

cleft, wedge (as pictures above), veneer, whip, saddle, shield budding...are all great for newbs.

best of luck!
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on November 03, 2012, 11:42:19 AM
Steven, thank you for the heads up. Looking forward to the details of your modified graft.

Adam, I'm actually thinking of trying this graft on the annonas scions I just got from you. I know that grafting season is way gone, but experimenting season is never ending.  :)

Tim, I've bee trying to find the posts you were talking about without success. Are they already gone or are there certains search terms I could use to get to them? Thanks in advance.

BTW, credits of the pictures that I posted here go to user "handarius" from Figs4Fun forum and I watermarked them purposedly.

Hi Thera,
You're welcome :) I will post a drawing today, if i have time ;)
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on November 03, 2012, 11:52:12 AM
here is the graft I like to do for loquat sometimes.

(http://www.hibiscusworld.com/howie/graft1.jpg)

Adam,

Thanks for sharing...this graft is fantastic with annonas and other fruit trees 8) I done one in the beginning of the year and it was successful :) Will post a pic ;)

Thera, I agree with Adam 8) This method is very easy to execute....If me and Adam can do this method successfully, so can you :)

This method keeps the system running and once the scion starts to grow few inches, you just need to decapitate ;)
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: kh0110 on November 03, 2012, 01:20:58 PM
Thanks, Adam and Steven. I'm convinced although I don't agree with "If me and Adam can do this method successfully, so can you".  :) Newb is newb and that's what I am right now! But I'll catch up with you guys one day!

I'll try this side wedge graft after I'm done experimenting with the above shelf graft.
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: jcaldeira on November 03, 2012, 03:22:31 PM
It seems to me that the shelf graft would be difficult to make.  The shelf cuts on the scion would need to be exactly the same distance apart as the shelf cuts on the rootstock for both horizontal shelves to heal.  If not, the scion rests on one shelf while the other has no contact.  And the angles on all six cuts would need match for a perfect graft. 

It might be a success graft on that one shelf, and it does look strong, so might have it's place when that is needed.  Much simpler are the common cleft and veneer grafts.   Makes no sense to complicate the graft unless needed.

John
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: kh0110 on November 03, 2012, 03:55:32 PM
I'm not sure the distance between the shelf cuts would be a problem but I agree that it would need a bit more attention than when making slits for cleft, for example. On the other hand, the angle of the cuts, straight and perpendicular would have to be precise. Then again, cleft and veneer also need a precise cut "without scooping" which noob like me tend to do. And I think a perpendicular cut is easier to do for most people.



For pro level grafters, I'm sure this shelf graft has no added value but for beginners who are still learning to cut/slit, this could be one to experiment with.
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: Tim on November 03, 2012, 04:14:26 PM
I agree with John on this particular method, seems sturdy but impractical and difficult to cut for anyone new, unless you're a surgeon.

Thanks, Adam and Steven. I'm convinced although I don't agree with "If me and Adam can do this method successfully, so can you".  :) Newb is newb and that's what I am right now! But I'll catch up with you guys one day!

I'll try this side wedge graft after I'm done experimenting with the above shelf graft.
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on November 03, 2012, 05:36:41 PM
Come on Thera, John and Tim,  It's an easy graft :)

Thera, you will catch up! Practise makes perfect ;)  When I start my grafting journey, I used to cut branches from ornamentals and practice my cuts...before doing it for real :) You should do the same and practise them cuts :)


Here's a successful side/wedge grafted Cherimoya :)
(http://s9.postimage.org/6gdbiawaz/IMG_9916.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6gdbiawaz/)

(http://s9.postimage.org/apcznct8r/IMG_9914.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/apcznct8r/)

Here's the Modified Shelf graft...I call this method, a Z-graft 8)
(http://s9.postimage.org/3l9f2x72j/IMG_9924.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3l9f2x72j/)
Will do this graft asap :)

Adam, have you done this graft?
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: kh0110 on November 04, 2012, 02:26:57 PM
Steven,  the advantage I see that your z-graft has over the shelf is that the scion would stick onto the rootstok much better. But since the cut is not straight, I'm not sure if it is as "easy" for a noob. Thanks for sharing. It is now on my list of grafts to try.


Anyway, I've bee examining the pictures for some times now and here are my observations before a hands-on practice:
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on November 04, 2012, 03:41:02 PM
Hi Thera,

Yes, the z-graft will hold much better on the rootstock, than the shelf graft. it's an easy graft to do, you just need to make a cut at a 45º angle, instead of a straight cut. We just need to get a scion that has the same thickness of the rootstock.

Your observations are excellent!

1. We have to always do our best to match the cambium on both the scion and rootstock. Some sp. are quite forgiving and will take and develop with just one side in contact with the cambium. This happens when the rootstock is much larger than the scion. Good example is stone fruits and other temperate fruits. Subs and Tropics are quite picky and require as much cambium contact as possible.

2. Diameter of scion/rootstock can be of any size for beginners. A pencil or two is optimum for beginners.

3. I prefer to use semi-hard wood for grafting or this years new growth for grafting. Soft to semi-hard wood scions will have much higher
 takes and calluses much faster than hard wood scions.

4. 1/2 inch is enough for a successful take. Though, with some fruit trees like mango you can go quite deep with the cuts. Tim, done a very deep cleft graft on a mango and was very successful. Larger area of cambium contact. Longer or shorter cuts doesn't matter as long as the cambium is well matched the graft will take.

Another, step you should think of, is to bag the newly grafted tree to mantain humidity, so that the scion doesn't dehydrate. Also leave a few leaves below the graft to keep the system running to speed up the healing process and always remove shoots that sprout below the graft. :)

Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: kh0110 on November 04, 2012, 09:06:14 PM
Thanks, Steven, for sharing your knowledge with a newb. Now, I'm itchy to start these grafts on the only Manila rootstock I have.  :)   With our SoCal temperature playing yoyo at the moment, the Manila was pushing like crazy and it looks like it's about to do it again. I have to find something else to get my mind off grafting. Maybe something like germinating all sorts of seeds with heated pads to get an early start wit next year. :)
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 04, 2012, 10:11:12 PM
Steven,

great pics and info!

I've never done a shelf graft or any variation thereof.

have u heard of grafting by simply making a flat cut? like placing two table tops on each other?

I've heard from a few friends of Adolph Grimal, that he was an engineer, and always tinkering with grafts.  supposedly he did this graft, and applied splints so the root stock and scion wouldn't be jostled.  Apparently these grafts were a success.

Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: Tropicdude on November 04, 2012, 11:09:10 PM
It seems to me that the shelf graft would be difficult to make.  The shelf cuts on the scion would need to be exactly the same distance apart as the shelf cuts on the rootstock for both horizontal shelves to heal.  If not, the scion rests on one shelf while the other has no contact.  And the angles on all six cuts would need match for a perfect graft. 

It might be a success graft on that one shelf, and it does look strong, so might have it's place when that is needed.  Much simpler are the common cleft and veneer grafts.   Makes no sense to complicate the graft unless needed.

John

I'm just visualizing this in my head and have not tried it yet , but if you get the scion, and place it upside down next to the end of the rootstock, and flush the ends, you can cut or score both the scion and rootstock at the same time, and precisely at the exact distance.

the next step would be to just cut them as close to the middle as possible length wise.
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: jcaldeira on November 04, 2012, 11:44:42 PM
It seems to me that the shelf graft would be difficult to make.  The shelf cuts on the scion would need to be exactly the same distance apart as the shelf cuts on the rootstock for both horizontal shelves to heal.  If not, the scion rests on one shelf while the other has no contact.  And the angles on all six cuts would need match for a perfect graft. 

It might be a success graft on that one shelf, and it does look strong, so might have it's place when that is needed.  Much simpler are the common cleft and veneer grafts.   Makes no sense to complicate the graft unless needed.

John

I'm just visualizing this in my head and have not tried it yet , but if you get the scion, and place it upside down next to the end of the rootstock, and flush the ends, you can cut or score both the scion and rootstock at the same time, and precisely at the exact distance.

the next step would be to just cut them as close to the middle as possible length wise.

That would be a good way to do it. 

Another way is to lay the rootstock and scion side by side, and make two cuts 2 cm (1") apart halfway through both stocks at the same time, or at least mark the spots on both pieces with the same knife cut.  Then continue all the way through on one of the cuts on each piece of wood.

Cutting cleaning directly across the grain with a knife is difficult without bruising or crushing wood unless the wood is relatively soft.

A 'whip and tongue' graft is strong and easier to cut - only 4 cuts (vs. 6) and they are angled so easier with a knife that that shelf graft.
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: kh0110 on November 05, 2012, 01:12:36 AM
John and William, I agree with both of you as I have run both scenarios in my mind and that is why I came up with the observation that the weak point is the vertical cut between the two shelf cuts. To compensate this weakness and to achieve needed precision, a short length cut is necessary, 1/2 inch max. And also, this vertical cut would be best achieved with softer woods like fig or mango scions.
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: Ethan on November 05, 2012, 03:17:19 AM
Watching Eunice do a shelf graft on a mango, she made it look simple.  She matched up the scion and rootstock to get an idea where to begin.  She topped the rootstock then measured a couple inches down and cut her horizontal cut into the rootstock.  She followed that up with her vertical cut through the center of the rootstock removing her first shelf.  She then repeated the process with the scion and wrapped the entire thing with parafilm.
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on November 05, 2012, 05:50:10 AM
Hi Thera,
You're welcome :) Grafting is truly great and your surely do get a kick of joy when they take :) Everybody that loves them fruits, should learn how to propagate them fruit trees :) You are getting itchy to start...tell me about it ;D When grafting season starts, I also get really itchy to kick start the season...it's getting out of hand with my addiction ;D My Glenn is also pushing like crazy 8)  Hehe...Good idea, get an early start and grow some rootstocks for grafting. 8)

Hi Adam,
:)
You and me got some grafts to do next year...I truly can't wait ;D
I haven't heard or done a flat graft before. The only prob with this graft is the stability. Mr. Grimal was prudent to gave the graft some stabillity with splints. Thanks for sharing buddy :)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Guanabanus on November 05, 2012, 09:45:00 PM
Jcaldera is right about the greater ease of angled cuts.

If you must do the shelf graft, I reckon that Taia clippers would do the shelf cuts well.  Contact Maurice Kong, of the Miami Rare Fruit Council.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: MarinFla on November 05, 2012, 10:02:31 PM
This is a picture of a side veneer graft I did back on July 17th. It is a piece of Maha Chanok budwood I got from Harry.
I finally unwrapped it today...I figured >3 months of patience was good enough since it had not pushed any growth.
I figured it was dead. It is green as can be and actually had a few small green swollen buds. It looked well healed so I guess time will tell.....

(http://s9.postimage.org/uwof5uekb/2012_11_05_13_27_30.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/uwof5uekb/)
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: Mr. Clean on November 05, 2012, 10:33:16 PM
have u heard of grafting by simply making a flat cut? like placing two table tops on each other?

I've heard from a few friends of Adolph Grimal, that he was an engineer, and always tinkering with grafts.  supposedly he did this graft, and applied splints so the root stock and scion wouldn't be jostled.  Apparently these grafts were a success.

I did a few grafts like this on mangos after seeing video on it.  It is very quick.  I did a 45 degree angle, then used wax tape to wrap it, without a splint.  So far 2 of 5 grafts appear to have taken.  All you do is line up the scion and the seedling together, matching up the diameter (and shape if oval), then cut both of them with pruning shears at the same time (while still lined up).  Then wrap with wax tape.  It is really quick.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: bsbullie on November 05, 2012, 10:38:40 PM
This is a picture of a side veneer graft I did back on July 17th. It is a piece of Maha Chanok budwood I got from Harry.
I finally unwrapped it today...I figured >3 months of patience was good enough since it had not pushed any growth.
I figured it was dead. It is green as can be and actually had a few small green swollen buds. It looked well healed so I guess time will tell.....

(http://s9.postimage.org/uwof5uekb/2012_11_05_13_27_30.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/uwof5uekb/)
Is that the whitefly damage I see on that mango?
Title: Grafting For Beginners
Post by: JeffDM on November 07, 2012, 09:05:57 PM
I'm preparing for my first attempts at grafting and will most likely try to graft from my Holiday avocado on to root stock from seeds I have sprouted.
I would appreciate any advice on what would be the easiest type of grafting method for me to try.
Title: Re: Grafting For Beginners
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 07, 2012, 09:40:33 PM
I'm preparing for my first attempts at grafting and will most likely try to graft from my Holiday avocado on to root stock from seeds I have sprouted.
I would appreciate any advice on what would be the easiest type of grafting method for me to try.

probably veneer or cleft, wrapped with paraflim or buddy tape.

the scion will bust through when it's ready to grow.

Title: Re: Grafting For Beginners
Post by: JeffDM on November 07, 2012, 10:07:18 PM
I'm preparing for my first attempts at grafting and will most likely try to graft from my Holiday avocado on to root stock from seeds I have sprouted.
I would appreciate any advice on what would be the easiest type of grafting method for me to try.

probably veneer or cleft, wrapped with paraflim or buddy tape.

the scion will bust through when it's ready to grow.

Thanks, I'll be researching those two methods and making my plans.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on November 08, 2012, 05:34:38 AM
Hi JeffMD,

Are you going to graft avo's now in winter?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JeffDM on November 08, 2012, 10:29:58 AM
Hi JeffMD,

Are you going to graft avo's now in winter?

No, I'm just slowly preparing for doing it in the spring - the root stock will probably be ready by then.
Of course, that all depends on whether or not I get distracted by something else.   ;D
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on November 08, 2012, 04:20:39 PM
Hi JeffMD,

Are you going to graft avo's now in winter?

No, I'm just slowly preparing for doing it in the spring - the root stock will probably be ready by then.
Of course, that all depends on whether or not I get distracted by something else.   ;D

Phew ;D I thought you were going to graft them now  :o Spring onwards is best for grafting avo's and others :)

Keep us posted, if you don't get distracted :-)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Guanabanus on November 08, 2012, 11:18:02 PM
Avocados can be grafted in the winter.
Title: Re: Has anybody tried this grafting method (spotted from Figs4Fun)?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 09, 2012, 01:06:50 AM
super cool Steven.  The graft looks great.

I imagine you could graft annonas like this...also loquat.

I have a method for grafting loquat that works very well..I guess it's called a wedge graft? I just basically do a cleft graft/mixed with a veneer.  It's hard to explain, but easy to do.

I will post pics of how I do it soon.

I lived up to my word!

lol, for those who were discussing loquat grafts, I've uploaded a how to guide with videos, and captions.

thanks!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on November 09, 2012, 06:16:23 AM
Avocados can be grafted in the winter.

Hi Har,
I tried once to graft a avocado in winter here in the highlands and was not successful :-\ That's why i stick to Spring onwards, when the trees and rootstocks are active.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Guanabanus on November 09, 2012, 09:18:38 AM
Here in south Florida, thousands of epicotyl cleft grafts of avocado are done each winter, when most other species cannot be grafted.  Keeps the grafting crew busy.
The rootstocks are still red and very tender when grafted onto.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on November 09, 2012, 03:38:54 PM
Here in south Florida, thousands of epicotyl cleft grafts of avocado are done each winter, when most other species cannot be grafted.  Keeps the grafting crew busy.
The rootstocks are still red and very tender when grafted onto.

Hi again,
Yicks! Thousands of epi's :o That's awesome 8) I didn't do an epi...I done a cleft graft on a mature rootstock.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on November 10, 2012, 01:52:33 AM
I cut several of these just for goof ... they're useless seedling growths.  But I really want to see what you mad scientist/grafters out there can do.  Post some pictures!!!!!

(http://s14.postimage.org/kco9ws4ql/20121109_180608.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kco9ws4ql/)
(http://s14.postimage.org/m5r6l3px9/20121109_180614.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/m5r6l3px9/)
Title: Grafting Cut Pics?
Post by: roboto212 on November 30, 2012, 11:33:17 AM
It is surprisingly hard to find good large images online of various cuts made in different types of grafts. I guess I am desiring to see more detailed pictures of grafters making the cuts, finished cuts and how the scion and rootstock fit together... It helps me immensely just seeing someone else do it, cause while there are numerous text tutorials, a picture is worth more words by a 1000.

So here is a dedicated thread to grafting pics and the various cuts we are making with them. :) Ill post some of my next cuts to get the ball rolling
Title: Re: Grafting Cut Pics?
Post by: JeffDM on November 30, 2012, 12:04:01 PM
Great Idea.
I'll be attempting my first grafts in a couple of months when my root stock gets big enough and I'm trying to collect videos, descriptions and pictures to guide me.
I've found plenty of videos showing what to do, but not a lot of close ups shots detailing the process.
Title: Re: Grafting Cut Pics?
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on November 30, 2012, 05:06:05 PM
Hi Josh,

I will graft some trees from Feb/Mar...onwards ;) Will be happy to take pics and make a vid or two  :)
Title: Re: Grafting Cut Pics?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 30, 2012, 05:27:23 PM
pick which graft you want me to photo document.

please only pick one.

cleft

veneer

saddle

forkert

sheild bud

wedge



I will do it asap.


take care
It is surprisingly hard to find good large images online of various cuts made in different types of grafts. I guess I am desiring to see more detailed pictures of grafters making the cuts, finished cuts and how the scion and rootstock fit together... It helps me immensely just seeing someone else do it, cause while there are numerous text tutorials, a picture is worth more words by a 1000.

So here is a dedicated thread to grafting pics and the various cuts we are making with them. :) Ill post some of my next cuts to get the ball rolling
Title: Re: Grafting Cut Pics?
Post by: roboto212 on November 30, 2012, 05:30:11 PM
oh oh veneer :), cause I never know how deep to go... what ive been doing is cutting into the bark and then the blade slides gently over the inner wood, so im guessing I have a nice area of cambium on both sides but its really hard to tell with this one... This goes for approach graft as well I suppose, they are pretty much the same cuts..
Title: Re: Grafting Cut Pics?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 30, 2012, 05:45:06 PM
doesn't matter how deep u go really...u can go to the core and cut half way through the scion and rootstock...but they must line up nicely.

you can make shallow cuts, but too shallow of a cut makes for a weaker graft union. 

think of the cambium as a thin membrane that covers an entire tree.

You must carefully patch pieces of this membrane to another trees membrane...you'll be able to see with your eyes when the cambium of the scion and rootstock matches perfectly.

I will try to document this asap.
 
Title: Re: Grafting Cut Pics?
Post by: xshen on November 30, 2012, 05:50:26 PM
I am also interested in the veneer graft.  Thanks to the OP for this tread.
Title: Re: Grafting Cut Pics?
Post by: nullzero on November 30, 2012, 07:01:33 PM
How about a Cleft and forkert  :D.
Title: Re: Grafting Cut Pics?
Post by: jcaldeira on November 30, 2012, 10:34:38 PM
Some of my favorite photos of grafting cuts are on the Citrus Grower's Forum, in their Tutorials section.  Here are a few from Joe Real:

** Edit:   Apparently one must 'register' to see the photos on this forum.  I recommend it.  **
 
http://citrus.forumup.org/viewtopic.php?t=1762&mforum=citrus (http://citrus.forumup.org/viewtopic.php?t=1762&mforum=citrus)
http://citrus.forumup.org/viewtopic.php?t=500&mforum=citrus (http://citrus.forumup.org/viewtopic.php?t=500&mforum=citrus)
http://citrus.forumup.org/viewtopic.php?t=4122&mforum=citrus (http://citrus.forumup.org/viewtopic.php?t=4122&mforum=citrus)
http://citrus.forumup.org/viewtopic.php?t=1765&mforum=citrus (http://citrus.forumup.org/viewtopic.php?t=1765&mforum=citrus)

And the forum index:
http://citrus.forumup.org/viewforum.php?f=18&topicdays=0&start=0&mforum=citrus (http://citrus.forumup.org/viewforum.php?f=18&topicdays=0&start=0&mforum=citrus)

John
Title: Re: Grafting Cut Pics?
Post by: Tim on November 30, 2012, 11:13:05 PM
John - the site is set up to only display images to registered MEMBERS
Title: Re: Grafting Cut Pics?
Post by: jcaldeira on November 30, 2012, 11:43:00 PM
John - the site is set up to only display images to registered MEMBERS
Oh, I had no idea.  Registering is free - I highly recommend it.  -John
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on December 01, 2012, 02:25:52 PM
Here are some pictures I took of a deep wedge graft

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=209.msg38347#msg38347 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=209.msg38347#msg38347)

and some more cuts
(http://s14.postimage.org/kco9ws4ql/20121109_180608.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kco9ws4ql/)
(http://s14.postimage.org/m5r6l3px9/20121109_180614.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/m5r6l3px9/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: xshen on December 03, 2012, 05:45:12 PM
How long does it generally take for parafilm to breakdown (assuming that the parafilm is 100% exposed to sunlight)?

I grafted an unknown cherimoya/atemoya less than two weeks ago and it appears that one of the bud has forced through the parafilm.  It seems to me that this is a bit early for the buds to break through.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: nullzero on December 03, 2012, 06:34:28 PM
How long does it generally take for parafilm to breakdown (assuming that the parafilm is 100% exposed to sunlight)?

I grafted an unknown cherimoya/atemoya less than two weeks ago and it appears that one of the bud has forced through the parafilm.  It seems to me that this is a bit early for the buds to break through.

Its been a weird year for SoCal, warm so far for this time of the year. I believe we will have a lot of early blooming this next year. I got newly formed mangoes holding, at my first grown cherimoya yesterday (first ripe Cherimoya was eaten around November 15th). Blueberry plants are getting ready to flower as well.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: roboto212 on December 04, 2012, 12:00:28 AM
didnt take a picture, but Ill share:

Did a side veneer graft of jackfruit onto 1 year jackfruit seedling, wrapped tightly and then I wrapped parafilm over the main bud at the end, so no moisture loss from scion... 5 days later I saw the the scion was changing colors and indicated it was beginning to rot or die, turning black the whole thing... I took off tape and film, and went to snag the scion off the wound of the seedling so it can continue growing, and the scion didnt give, it took a a fair bit of pressure to get it off , so im guessing it started to heal but rot got to it first?

im having alot of problems with scions rotting out here in hawaii, its pretty humid here. I have stepped up my cleanliness game, making sure to do rubbing alcohol on blade and scion and seedling before making all the cuts, hoping this helps with disease getting to scion before the union can take
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on December 04, 2012, 12:24:47 PM
If you haven't already seen this, here's an excellent link with various grafting techniques supported by pictures or vids available on youtube.

http://tropicalfruitsocietyofsarasota.org/information/graftingtechniquesanimated.htm (http://tropicalfruitsocietyofsarasota.org/information/graftingtechniquesanimated.htm)
Title: My first mango graft
Post by: Bass on December 11, 2012, 09:09:28 PM
I have been grafting fruit trees for several years, but has not grafted tropical fruit trees before. I had a couple seedlings of mango and one generous member sent me scions.
This was grafted about a month ago.
(http://s14.postimage.org/3u40z5c4d/image.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3u40z5c4d/)
Title: Re: My first mango graft
Post by: murahilin on December 11, 2012, 09:23:08 PM
Excellent job for your first mango graft. I hope it does well and fruits soon for you.
Title: Re: My first mango graft
Post by: Tim on December 11, 2012, 09:37:29 PM
Nicely done, Bass.  What variety is it?
Had to have the figs in the background huh?  ;D
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Mr. Clean on December 12, 2012, 12:35:58 AM
An interesting video on T-bud grafting.

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Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on December 14, 2012, 02:25:54 AM
Anyone up for a possibly fruitful challenge?

Guerrilla grafters: splicing fruit onto a city's trees (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0osO1_FR_24#ws)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 14, 2012, 07:57:58 AM
that lady guerilla grafting should be charged criminally.

she's encouraging rats, and hippies to show up in great numbers, underneath perfectly fine, non fruiting, ornamental plants.

she's taking civil engineering into her own hands.  When an apple falls, and trips an elderly person, breaking their hip, requiring hospitalization, what will this lady say then?

an apple a day keeps the doctor away?
 ;D

I'd be kind of pissed if someone grafted my non grafted trees, assuming control over my garden.

(just kidding!  I had to play devils advocate and raise a few eyebrows.  ;D ;D  But I bet someone would argue my same points seriously )
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on December 14, 2012, 03:55:26 PM
Congrats on the job well done, Bass...hope indica fruits heavily for you soon :)

Mark and Tim...Added both vids to my watch later...Thanks for sharing :)
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Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on December 18, 2012, 07:34:31 AM
Hi,
Has anybody ever tried using other Pouteria sp. like Lucuma, Canistel, Ross Sapote...etc as a rootstock for Abiu? Cause i have been thinking with my buttons that this will be the only way to successfully grow and fruit them in a frost free Mediterranean climate. I done some research on Pouteria's that are similar to abiu...Came to the conculsion that Abuirana-Pouteria bullata would be an excellent rootstock for Abiu...since Abiurana is native to  Southern Brazil...in the Atlantic forest from São Paulo to Parana.

''The abiurana  is resistant to drought and falling temperatures to -4°C (25°F), while the abiu does not resist the frost with temperatures below 0°C (32°)'' My winter temps never get below 13-14ºc/55-57ºf. I can actually grow Abiu at my location...though, i reckon the tree will not like wet cool soils very much. We can also multi-root graft Abiu with Abiurana...to benefit from the extra cold tolerance of Abiurana 8)

Thanks :)

Ps Abiurana is also a top notch fruit that also deserves to be cultivated...Helton Josué says that Abiurana tastes like condensed milk 8)
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Post by: Bass on December 18, 2012, 07:40:05 AM
Thanks Steven, the graft is growing very well.  I attempted to graft into mature mango trees in the Caribbean, similar method I use with prunus and apple trees here in the states but they failed.  I'm trying to master grafting tropical.
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Post by: Guanabanus on December 18, 2012, 08:29:33 AM
There is also at least one fruit in Amazonas called "Abiurana", which means "pseudo-abiu" or "similar-to-abiu," in the Tupi language.
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Post by: Mr. Clean on January 02, 2013, 11:39:15 PM
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Post by: bsbullie on January 02, 2013, 11:51:55 PM
I need to prune my Duncan mango, so I decided to try T-Bud grafting.

T-Bud scion wood:
(http://s8.postimage.org/6i555rgep/T_Bud_Grafting_001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6i555rgep/)

Grafted mango.
(http://s13.postimage.org/mtfqak1v7/T_Bud_Grafting_008.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mtfqak1v7/)

It actually seemed easier than grafting a regular bud because I could use the stem as a handle.  You can get a lot of grafts out of a single piece of wood.  I did 5 grafts.
Is that a seedling you grafted on to or an existing grafted tree?  That appears to be quite low if it is already on a grafted tree.  Did you just do this to a tree that is planted outdoors?  If so, kind of asking for failure to graft outdoors at this time of year...
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Post by: Mr. Clean on January 02, 2013, 11:58:53 PM
Is that a seedling you grafted on to or an existing grafted tree?  That appears to be quite low if it is already on a grafted tree.  Did you just do this to a tree that is planted outdoors?  If so, kind of asking for failure to graft outdoors at this time of year...

Yes, that is an outdoor seedling.   I grafted onto 2 outdoor seedlings and 3 potted seedlings.  If the grafts don't take, I can try again later in the year with Mahachanok budwood.   :)
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Post by: roboto212 on January 03, 2013, 01:02:16 AM
cempedak graft onto jackfruit seedling

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/537404_1971138674439_440111559_n.jpg)
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Post by: Mike T on January 03, 2013, 01:28:14 AM
It is looking good roboto.Do you know much about the chempedak variety.People are always calling me a real crackpot and I figure it must be because I have many split pots like yours.
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Post by: samuel on January 03, 2013, 01:32:49 AM
Well done !!! evenmore during your "winter" season

i have been trying artocarpus grafting with limited success: just a few out of decades. That why i am interesting in learning more from your experience.

How old were the rootsocks? and what was the aftercare? did you cover the whole plant with a plastic bag?

thanks for sharing

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Post by: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2013, 11:44:13 AM
For t-budding the mango, you want to use the portion of the rootstock that is still green. Your best bet for rootstock that old is a side veneer.

I need to prune my Duncan mango, so I decided to try T-Bud grafting.

T-Bud scion wood:
(http://s8.postimage.org/6i555rgep/T_Bud_Grafting_001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6i555rgep/)

Grafted mango.
(http://s13.postimage.org/mtfqak1v7/T_Bud_Grafting_008.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mtfqak1v7/)

It actually seemed easier than grafting a regular bud because I could use the stem as a handle.  You can get a lot of grafts out of a single piece of wood.  I did 5 grafts.
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Post by: Patrick on January 03, 2013, 12:01:25 PM
For t-budding the mango, you want to use the portion of the rootstock that is still green. Your best bet for rootstock that old is a side veneer.

I need to prune my Duncan mango, so I decided to try T-Bud grafting.

T-Bud scion wood:
(http://s8.postimage.org/6i555rgep/T_Bud_Grafting_001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6i555rgep/)

Grafted mango.
(http://s13.postimage.org/mtfqak1v7/T_Bud_Grafting_008.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mtfqak1v7/)

It actually seemed easier than grafting a regular bud because I could use the stem as a handle.  You can get a lot of grafts out of a single piece of wood.  I did 5 grafts.

I have read a few articles that recommend T-grafting at like two weeks from sprouting!
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Post by: roboto212 on January 03, 2013, 12:27:14 PM
Mike, the cempedak has a very strong "durian" like aroma... more like chicken pot pie... from the outside... the flesh is very sweet, sweeter than any jack ive had and has a musky deep flavor notes that are really heady like durian..

I found this post on the internet and the fruit and flesh and interior look as the same as the one I am grafting:

http://duriocell.blogspot.com/2008/09/durian-cempedak.html (http://duriocell.blogspot.com/2008/09/durian-cempedak.html)
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Post by: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2013, 12:29:18 PM
Yep. My brother-in-law did a research project on that. They got somewhere around 66% take with relatively unskilled graftsmen and no 'secret sauce'. The other great part about stone t-budding is that the buds spring easily.

But, you can t-bud mango with high rate of success as long as graft point is still green and sap is flowing.

The hard part is getting 100% of your buds to spring :-).

I have read a few articles that recommend T-grafting at like two weeks from sprouting!
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Post by: roboto212 on January 03, 2013, 12:30:39 PM
Well done !!! evenmore during your "winter" season

i have been trying artocarpus grafting with limited success: just a few out of decades. That why i am interesting in learning more from your experience.

How old were the rootsocks? and what was the aftercare? did you cover the whole plant with a plastic bag?

thanks for sharing

I grafted the cempedak scion (only 3 inches long) onto jackfruit rootstock... the seedling was only like 2 weeks? it had one fully developed leaf and one or two more smaller leaves, the epictoyl portion of the stem, near the base, was beginning to turn somewhat woody... The woody stem also makes it easier to wrap the graft tightly... Im doing more epi grafts with this as more trails, ill keep you posted.. I covered the whole pot fully with plastic bags from walmart and rubberbands... you cna reuse the bags indefinitely
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Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on January 03, 2013, 04:18:20 PM
Hi Josh,
Your successful Champedak looks great 8) Funny your Champa graft...it's looks like a pumpkin bloom with the pilose ;D
1 out of 15...is a stepping stone ;) Hopefully, next time you will get more takers :) I will also try to do some Epi's with Champa onto Jack...I have a special Champa that a friend from Florida sent me and i wan't to keep this strain kick'n ;D I got one in the greenhouse and the other one i planted out is stunted...hopefully using jack as a roostock, the tree will prosper :)

Mark,
Fingers crossed on your mango graft...Hopefully the graft will take! :) Try some in summer, too ;)   
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Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on January 03, 2013, 04:25:48 PM
Well done !!! evenmore during your "winter" season

i have been trying artocarpus grafting with limited success: just a few out of decades. That why i am interesting in learning more from your experience.

How old were the rootsocks? and what was the aftercare? did you cover the whole plant with a plastic bag?

thanks for sharing

Hi Samuel,
Do them EPI'S...ya will see them popping :) I always cover my epi's with a plastc bag to maintain humidity...You should do Artocarpus grafts very early in the morning when the latex is not actively flowing ;) I reckon the success rate will be higher 8)
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Post by: Mr. Clean on January 03, 2013, 11:59:04 PM
Jeff, Patrick, Steven and Rob,

Thanks for the pointers.  My grafts were non-destructive, so if they don't take, I will try in the spring / summer with some Mahachanok budwood.  :-)
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Post by: Mr. Clean on January 04, 2013, 12:00:28 AM
Hi Rob/All
wonder if it's ok to approach/inarch graft in the winter?

DNT:  Try it and see.  :-)  Approach grafts are supposed to be 100% because both the budwood and the rootstock are kept alive until fully merged.
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Post by: samuel on January 06, 2013, 01:25:28 PM
Thanks Josh and Steven for your tips,

i will let you know about my progress, have some Artocarpus sp (cempedak and jack onto jack rootstock) grafting planned in the coming weeks...will try epi's, side veneer and a few approach, then there will also be this wonderful terap which is of course another story...let's see how all this works out for me in 2013 :)
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Post by: Tropicdude on January 19, 2013, 07:12:12 PM
Regarding the dual rootstock experiments,  both of my "duallies " were a success, the merged/joined, or welded together nicely.   but I have not grafted anything on them yet.  they seem  dormant at the moment and doesn't seem like the best time to try and graft them.  I have a few questions now on the next step.

the two rootstocks still have their top parts, I have not cut one away yet.   what would be the best for success,  should I try and graft both of them, with the hopes one takes, then cut the other away, ( or keep the best one if they both take )?   or should I graft one side, then cut the other for the additional energy it would have?   I'll try and remember to get some pictures up tomorrow .
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Post by: CoPlantNut on January 19, 2013, 09:27:41 PM
Regarding the dual rootstock experiments,  both of my "duallies " were a success, the merged/joined, or welded together nicely.   but I have not grafted anything on them yet.  they seem  dormant at the moment and doesn't seem like the best time to try and graft them.  I have a few questions now on the next step.

the two rootstocks still have their top parts, I have not cut one away yet.   what would be the best for success,  should I try and graft both of them, with the hopes one takes, then cut the other away, ( or keep the best one if they both take )?   or should I graft one side, then cut the other for the additional energy it would have?   I'll try and remember to get some pictures up tomorrow .

Interesting question.  Your chances of getting a successful graft are doubled by trying once on each existing top, so I would probably do that if I had enough appropriate scion material available, then prune to one leader later.  Trimming one of the rootstock tops off seems like it would make the remaining one more vigorous, and it has worked beautifully for me the only time I've tried it, but I only had a single scion to try with at the time.

On a dual-rootstock-grafted mango I trimmed off the extra rootstock top, waited about 4 weeks until the remaining top was swelling it's buds for new growth, then did a side veneer graft onto the remaining top.  The graft took more quickly and vigorously than any single-rootstock plant I've ever tried grafting on yet.  But, it was also my first time grafting a mango with the scion and rootstock both in appropriate growth states, so perhaps that's why it worked so well.
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Post by: Tropicdude on January 19, 2013, 10:50:59 PM
Thanks for the tips,   i did clip the tops off,  because on my trip to Fla,  they didn't get watered and the new leaves on top were in bad shape, so i cut them off with the tip. so I suspect they will swell in a few weeks.  going to try to graft my Maha Chanok,   do you recommend removing the leaves a week or so ahead of time, from the host plants future scion?  I read that was a good way to get them swelling and prepare them.
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Post by: Patrick on January 23, 2013, 03:12:03 PM
I know it can take several weeks or months for a graft that has sucessfully healed to push new growth.  What are some actually proven methods to accelerate bud push in healed grafts?  I currently increase sunlight, cut back rootstock (when not clefted), and introduce a small amount of 20-20-20  (six to eight weeks after initial proceedure).. I have seen results from using those, but I am wondering if its just a placebo effect??

Any one have any suggestions?
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Post by: jcaldeira on January 23, 2013, 03:33:16 PM
I know it can take several weeks or months for a graft that has sucessfully healed to push new growth.  What are some actually proven methods to accelerate bud push in healed grafts?  I currently increase sunlight, cut back rootstock (when not clefted), and introduce a small amount of 20-20-20  (six to eight weeks after initial proceedure).. I have seen results from using those, but I am wondering if its just a placebo effect??

Any one have any suggestions?

To accelerate growth in grafts, I try to have both the rootstock and scion in a "growth mode" BEFORE grafting.  It seems many species alternate betwen periods of dormancy and growth flushes.  My most successful grafts (mostly citrus and avocado; cleft grafts) in terms of speed of acceptance, healing and growth, are achieved after I've fertilized the seedling rootstocks and graft 3-7 days after a good rain.  The rain after a slight drought tends to promote growth in both the scion trees and rootstocks, and then also in the grafted plant.

John
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Post by: Cookie Monster on January 23, 2013, 03:56:15 PM
Timing and vigor of rootstock. T-budding mangoes in nov/dec leads to explosive growth when spring rolls round. High vigor rootstock will also yield strong growth.

If you could figure out a way to encourage cambium growth (eg, via hormones, or temp control via greenhouse) to where the graft quickly forms a very strong union, that would likely contribute to strong sprouting.

I know it can take several weeks or months for a graft that has sucessfully healed to push new growth.  What are some actually proven methods to accelerate bud push in healed grafts?  I currently increase sunlight, cut back rootstock (when not clefted), and introduce a small amount of 20-20-20  (six to eight weeks after initial proceedure).. I have seen results from using those, but I am wondering if its just a placebo effect??

Any one have any suggestions?
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Post by: roboto212 on January 23, 2013, 04:39:03 PM
more Cempedak epicotyl grafts onto jackfruit seedlings. I just use the jackfruit seedlings sitting under the jjackfruit trees from fallen fruits. I dig them up carefully to not damage the tap root, and make sure they are old enough to have a semi wood stem at epi region, and young enough to still have nutrients in the seed.

Im getting about 25% success rate with this, and really loving the simplicity of the epicotyl graft. Right now ive just been working with jackfruits and cempedak grafts, but I would like to expand and start working with Durian, Mamey Sapote, Abiu, Avocado, etc... just about anything with a large seed that has a strong epicotyl at birth


(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/67896_1985471592753_1157102410_n.jpg)
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Post by: Patrick on January 23, 2013, 06:29:07 PM
Timing and vigor of rootstock. T-budding mangoes in nov/dec leads to explosive growth when spring rolls round. High vigor rootstock will also yield strong growth.

If you could figure out a way to encourage cambium growth (eg, via hormones, or temp control via greenhouse) to where the graft quickly forms a very strong union, that would likely contribute to strong sprouting.

I know it can take several weeks or months for a graft that has sucessfully healed to push new growth.  What are some actually proven methods to accelerate bud push in healed grafts?  I currently increase sunlight, cut back rootstock (when not clefted), and introduce a small amount of 20-20-20  (six to eight weeks after initial proceedure).. I have seen results from using those, but I am wondering if its just a placebo effect??

Any one have any suggestions?

Good stuff thanks..
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Post by: fyliu on January 23, 2013, 10:02:53 PM
[quote author=jcaldeira link=topic=209.msg55936#msg55936 date=
To accelerate growth in grafts, I try to have both the rootstock and scion in a "growth mode" BEFORE grafting. 
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I would add that this is mostly true except for trees with heavy sap flow. The sap could push out the scion. In this case you would try to graft a little bit before the sap starts. Or maybe when the tree is growing but sap flow isn't too heavy.

I wonder if this applies to sugar maples.
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Post by: xshen on March 05, 2013, 12:43:50 AM
I grafted these atemoyas (AP) ~3-4 weeks ago.  The scions are pushing and the largest bud is close to an inch.  The rubber band was starting to restrict the growth so I removed it.  Should I wrap the exposed part of the union with another layer of parafilm to prevent bacteria/fungi from getting in? 

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8086/8529546315_1b33f59272_b.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8226/8530659364_d77a5c7edf_b.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8098/8530659526_b3f743dc06_b.jpg)
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 04, 2013, 02:03:25 PM
I got some sugar apple scions of a few varieties, from CA and slapped them all over this 2-3 yr old atemoya seedling.

(http://s23.postimg.cc/vfrupzzg7/4_4_13_006.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vfrupzzg7/)
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Post by: marklee on April 04, 2013, 04:14:02 PM
I got some sugar apple scions of a few varieties, from CA and slapped them all over this 2-3 yr old atemoya seedling.

(http://s23.postimg.cc/vfrupzzg7/4_4_13_006.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vfrupzzg7/)
Adam,  that is crazy. I put a few grafts on some seedlings and thought that was too many, you have quite a few. Anyway, what has your temps been, and what kind of shade/ sun do you have them under?
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 04, 2013, 05:36:02 PM
I got some sugar apple scions of a few varieties, from CA and slapped them all over this 2-3 yr old atemoya seedling.

(http://s23.postimg.cc/vfrupzzg7/4_4_13_006.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vfrupzzg7/)
Adam,  that is crazy. I put a few grafts on some seedlings and thought that was too many, you have quite a few. Anyway, what has your temps been, and what kind of shade/ sun do you have them under?

Its in full sun...and temps have ranged between 44F-86F (since grafting).  Lately temps have been 60-85F
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Post by: fyliu on April 04, 2013, 06:28:11 PM
I grafted these atemoyas (AP) ~3-4 weeks ago.  The scions are pushing and the largest bud is close to an inch.  The rubber band was starting to restrict the growth so I removed it.  Should I wrap the exposed part of the union with another layer of parafilm to prevent bacteria/fungi from getting in? 
You could have wrapped the scion in parafilm and didn't need to put a bag over it. If the graft took then the parafilm is not necessary. There may be danger of the graft falling off if the top piece grows too fast and gets too heavy. So many people let the new shoots get a foot long before taking off the rubber band/grafting tape. You could just leave it and the wound will grow together better when the scion produces some food to do it with.
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Post by: Guanabanus on April 04, 2013, 09:01:52 PM
If you think the plant is getting too constricted by the rubber band, you can un-tie it and re-tie it.
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Post by: intel415 on April 05, 2013, 02:00:10 AM
@ ASaffron did you use cleft graft? Very nice grafts.

i might want to do something like that to my avocado tree that doesn;t want to flower this year. what's the best method to change varieties on branches?

thanks
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Post by: Vlk on April 05, 2013, 03:30:11 AM
more Cempedak epicotyl grafts onto jackfruit seedlings. I just use the jackfruit seedlings sitting under the jjackfruit trees from fallen fruits. I dig them up carefully to not damage the tap root, and make sure they are old enough to have a semi wood stem at epi region, and young enough to still have nutrients in the seed.

Im getting about 25% success rate with this, and really loving the simplicity of the epicotyl graft. Right now ive just been working with jackfruits and cempedak grafts, but I would like to expand and start working with Durian, Mamey Sapote, Abiu, Avocado, etc... just about anything with a large seed that has a strong epicotyl at birth


(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/67896_1985471592753_1157102410_n.jpg)
How old were the seedlings you used please?
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 05, 2013, 08:42:26 AM
@ ASaffron did you use cleft graft? Very nice grafts.

i might want to do something like that to my avocado tree that doesn;t want to flower this year. what's the best method to change varieties on branches?

thanks

clefts, veneers and side grafts!

it's all up to you what method to choose...it depends on the shape of rootstock and the scion....cleft seems to be the easiest!
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Post by: roboto212 on April 05, 2013, 01:06:21 PM
not sure on the exact age of the jackfruit seedlings, but the base of the stem (epicotyl) was beginning to harden up, so becoming semi-woody and stiff and not rubbery. I think the seedlings were working on their 3rd or 4th leaf, so less than a month old.
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Post by: edzone9 on April 05, 2013, 10:29:17 PM
This is my 1st Avacado Veneer Graft .Mexicola Onto Unknown Seedling.

(http://s13.postimg.cc/4uc8uf1ab/IMG_20130405_221756_523.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4uc8uf1ab/)
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Post by: intel415 on April 05, 2013, 11:12:51 PM
This is my 1st Avacado Veneer Graft .Mexicola Onto Unknown Seedling.

(http://s13.postimg.cc/4uc8uf1ab/IMG_20130405_221756_523.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4uc8uf1ab/)

that guy will take. keep us posted :)
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 21, 2013, 09:34:25 PM
the biggest scion is way ahead of the rest!  Looks like about 3 failed!

Still waiting to unwrap the rest...I'll post pics when it's all done.


(http://s7.postimg.cc/7076uk9xj/4_22_13_005.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7076uk9xj/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/j9kypsthf/4_22_13_006.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/j9kypsthf/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/xes28b6u9/4_22_13_007.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/xes28b6u9/)
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Post by: PltdWorld on April 27, 2013, 06:09:02 PM
This is my first attempt at grafting... SimonGrow gave me several pieces of budwood (behl cherimoya, selma, cangrajos sa).  Everything but the canrgejos has pushed.  This is Selma, grafted onto (unknown) seedling Cherimoya rootstock... question: when do I unwrap the parafilm?  Looks like all buds are pushing now.

(http://photos.plantedworld.com/grafting/selma_graft1.jpg)

(http://photos.plantedworld.com/grafting/selma_graft2.jpg)

Thanks,
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Post by: kh0110 on April 28, 2013, 02:04:28 AM
PltdWorld, if you're talking about the parafilm wrapping the scion, you don't need to take it off. Beside, from the pictures, I think it's too early to tell if the graft actually took.
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Post by: PltdWorld on April 28, 2013, 11:01:48 AM
Thanks Thera!  How long before I would know for sure?  Graft was done 3/12/2013... here is photo from that day:

(http://photos.plantedworld.com/grafting/selma_graft0.jpg)
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Post by: kh0110 on April 28, 2013, 01:54:57 PM
Thanks Thera!  How long before I would know for sure?  Graft was done 3/12/2013... here is photo from that day:


I'd say until you get see at least a full leaf out. Sometimes, the scion could just be growing on what it has stored in itself.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: PltdWorld on April 28, 2013, 06:12:37 PM
Thank you!  I had several others that haven't done a thing since grafting, so I was definitely excited about this one... I'll keep my hopes in check for another month or so.

I don't think I've said it yet, but this forum is invaluable and the sharing (knoweldge, plants, scions, seeds, etc) is truly insprirational.

Thanks all,
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 28, 2013, 07:54:20 PM
bunch of lil annona grafts unwrapped today.
looks like one failed in the front..although I haven't given up on it yet.


(http://s22.postimg.cc/6wfc6avn1/4_28_13.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6wfc6avn1/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: kh0110 on April 28, 2013, 08:35:09 PM
ASaffron, the double trunc and the 5-branch grafted scion look really awesome!!! Congrats!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: TREESNMORE on April 28, 2013, 08:40:16 PM
Adam
What are you using for budwood.You saw I am trying a lot of cherimoya on everything also a little custard apple on custard apple. What would you put the custard apple on.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 28, 2013, 08:44:08 PM
Thera

thanks!!
the double grafted tree is a rare annona that makes an orange firm fruit...supposedly nice to eat.  The plant looks just like atemoya to me.  I will have to find out the real name of the tree.  I grabbed budwood because it looked like an atemoya...and I'd never heard of it!

Treesnmore,

I'm using sugar apple and atemoya rootstocks, for Sugar apple scions..and a few odd ball scions..like the firm orange fruited annona. and a cornifolia.

id put reticulata on reticulata!  but I'm not too experienced with that species!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: mikesid on May 13, 2013, 11:45:56 AM
Lemon Zest graft was done 4/5 and has since pushed and hardened off..my question is, if it pushed new growth so soon should I allow it to push again or will it be to much weight for the newly formed graft?

Lemon Zest on left

(http://s16.postimg.cc/o0yocb3tt/IMG_1807.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/o0yocb3tt/)
Title: Recent Jaboticaba graft's
Post by: ScottR on May 15, 2013, 10:04:44 PM
A few pic's of some wood I received the other day and grafted on two small paulista seedlings I have in the ground.
(http://s13.postimg.cc/bueqnfnvn/Jabo_grafts13_001.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bueqnfnvn/)

(http://s10.postimg.cc/4crgzrpfp/Jabo_grafts13_002.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4crgzrpfp/)

(http://s18.postimg.cc/qecw4tgud/Jabo_grafts13_003.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qecw4tgud/)

(http://s4.postimg.cc/x2d7qa4c9/Jabo_grafts13_004.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/x2d7qa4c9/)

(http://s18.postimg.cc/6nknyy745/Jabo_grafts13_005.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6nknyy745/)
Pic's are showing grafts of Red (7) Grimal (2) THANKS to Adam great trade ( seeds were planted today). ;) 8) Hard wood! Oh yeah, all graft's were whip & tongue and one cleft ;D fingers crossed
Title: Re: Recent Jaboticaba graft's
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 15, 2013, 10:15:28 PM
May the force be with you!!

Soon I will start to reveal my secrets to grafting Jaboticaba!!

I'm almost ready!!

Maybe by the end of this season!!

Please keep us posted on your progress!!!

I want the world to get excited about grafting Myrciarias!!! (Plinias too  ;) ) 
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 15, 2013, 10:40:02 PM
Only the Minh's sugar apple (which looks more like atemoya) survived!

The sugar apple variety (cenjerto?) all took but eventually withered.  I think I used an atemoya rootstock...and the sugar apple didn't appreciate it?

Any how...I'm happy to have two nice scions alive!  Looks like I had a pretty low success rate

(http://s7.postimg.cc/i0jmvit3b/5_15_2013_002.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/i0jmvit3b/)


the biggest scion is way ahead of the rest!  Looks like about 3 failed!

Still waiting to unwrap the rest...I'll post pics when it's all done.


(http://s7.postimg.cc/7076uk9xj/4_22_13_005.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7076uk9xj/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/j9kypsthf/4_22_13_006.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/j9kypsthf/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/xes28b6u9/4_22_13_007.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/xes28b6u9/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: ScottR on May 15, 2013, 10:48:29 PM
Nice graft's Adam, you win some and you loose some!! ;) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: kh0110 on May 15, 2013, 11:01:42 PM
...

The sugar apple variety (cenjerto?) all took but eventually withered.  I think I used an atemoya rootstock...and the sugar apple didn't appreciate it?
...


You said they were from CA, if it was from JF, then that would be Cangrejo's Sugar Apple.


BTW, nice to see that your special side graft took!


Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 15, 2013, 11:11:47 PM
ScottR, Kh0110

thanks!!

yes that's the variety!  It didn't appreciate my atemoya seedling rootstock!!

Or maybe the two Minh's sugar apple scions were so vigorous, that they drained all of the juices from those other scions??

I had to trim the biggest scion back because it was growing too fast.

Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: kh0110 on May 15, 2013, 11:22:57 PM
BTW, Adam, if the scions are from Mr Minh from Westminster, CA, then that maybe his Vietnamese Atemoya and not a Sugar Apple. And in which case, your first impression that it would be an atemoya would be correct.

Title: Re: Recent Jaboticaba graft's
Post by: Ethan on May 16, 2013, 11:09:39 AM
Nice job ScottR, cant wait to see them grow.
Title: Re: Recent Jaboticaba graft's
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on May 17, 2013, 05:21:15 PM
Fingers crossed, Scott...hope all takes for you. :)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JF on June 09, 2013, 11:21:32 PM
BTW, Adam, if the scions are from Mr Minh from Westminster, CA, then that maybe his Vietnamese Atemoya and not a Sugar Apple. And in which case, your first impression that it would be an atemoya would be correct.

Mr. Mihn is not from Westminster he is from Santa Ana 92704 and his atemoya is his own signature variety not the Vietnamese atemoya that's been floating around in Socal for 25 years.



Here are some graft perform this year.

top worked elberta peach with 6 or 7 varieties in Jan. 23

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_4612.jpg)

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_5841.jpg)

here is my ilama graft on a 2 year old cherimoya rootstock. The interesting part is that the rootstock is flowering. Cherimoya seedling flower at 2-3 years from seed.

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_5846.jpg)

three yr old cherimoya seedling grafted 6 atemoya scion in March, 4 Mr. Mihn and 2 Lisa, all took

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_5844.jpg)

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_5845.jpg)

some of the mango graft from May

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_5843.jpg)

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_5842.jpg)

50% of all my grafts have hit this year but with mangos I'm 5 for 22. I have not had a take on a.reticulata,a.muricata or pouteria sapota.



 
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: kh0110 on June 09, 2013, 11:38:31 PM
BTW, Adam, if the scions are from Mr Minh from Westminster, CA, then that maybe his Vietnamese Atemoya and not a Sugar Apple. And in which case, your first impression that it would be an atemoya would be correct.

Mr. Mihn is not from Westminster he is from Santa Ana 92704 and his atemoya is his own signature variety not the Vietnamese atemoya that's been floating around in Socal for 25 years.


So sorry for the confusion, JF. Would you have any idea as to how Mr. Minh created this winner variety?

Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JF on June 09, 2013, 11:50:24 PM
BTW, Adam, if the scions are from Mr Minh from Westminster, CA, then that maybe his Vietnamese Atemoya and not a Sugar Apple. And in which case, your first impression that it would be an atemoya would be correct.

Mr. Mihn is not from Westminster he is from Santa Ana 92704 and his atemoya is his own signature variety not the Vietnamese atemoya that's been floating around in Socal for 25 years.


So sorry for the confusion, JF. Would you have any idea as to how Mr. Minh created this winner variety?



no problem Thera and I know.... I'll have to tell you how one day in private.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: mikesid on June 15, 2013, 10:14:51 AM
Here are some grafts that I have done over the past couple months..


'Providence' mango...budwood courtesy of Walter Zill..
(http://s4.postimg.cc/bweg9pws9/IMG_1916.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bweg9pws9/)

Sorry CM, misspelled Tommy Atkins..
(http://s23.postimg.cc/fiswd7n5z/IMG_1917.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fiswd7n5z/)




'Nishikawa' avocado...

(http://s11.postimg.cc/c2ub32h6n/IMG_1918.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/c2ub32h6n/)
Title: My 1st Mango Graft ! " Lancetilla "
Post by: edzone9 on July 09, 2013, 01:40:10 PM
Hello Gang;

This is my 1st Mango Graft , Im Trying A Lancetilla For Bud-Wood.
My 1st Avocado Graft Worked Great ! , Lets see how i do with Mango.

I have no idea what im doing , Or if its time for mango Grafting , But Its Dam Fun Trying ;).

Ed..
(http://s23.postimg.cc/4kkxxf0lz/IMG_20130709_125441_069.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4kkxxf0lz/)
Title: My 2nd Mango Graft This Time Carrie Cleft Graft With Pics..
Post by: edzone9 on July 10, 2013, 08:28:50 PM
Hello Gang;

I have a very healthy Carrie Mango Tree That was bearing 1 Fruit after all other dropped.
Today it Dropped as well ;( , So i decided To Do My Tipping & Try My Hand At Mango Graft using The Cleft Technic.

I had 2 Mango Seedlings And went for it ! ..
I Got a good tight fit & hope it works !.
Here are some pix..

Ed..


(http://s14.postimg.cc/3nvc5dwql/Carrie_Graft_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3nvc5dwql/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/gbqj0m8rh/Carrie_Graft_2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gbqj0m8rh/)

(http://s17.postimg.cc/wrl98qzrv/Carrie_Mango_3.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wrl98qzrv/)
Title: Re: My 2nd Mango Graft This Time Carrie Cleft Graft With Pics..
Post by: kh0110 on July 10, 2013, 09:38:54 PM
Ed, you might have invented a new graft right there! I have never seen a scion cut so short used in a cleft graft. It's hard to see the scion since it's out of focus but the grafts look good. Please keep us posted! And with better focus on the grafts, please!  8)


The only other graft I've seen where the scion is cut this short is mango crown graft used in Thailand (I think that's how they call the graft). It's a hybrid between a bud and a veneer graft.
Title: Re: My 2nd Mango Graft This Time Carrie Cleft Graft With Pics..
Post by: Patrick on July 10, 2013, 09:40:19 PM
Half the scions leaves.. Then bag it until it starts to push!
Title: Re: My 2nd Mango Graft This Time Carrie Cleft Graft With Pics..
Post by: edzone9 on July 11, 2013, 04:34:26 AM
Ok Thank You I will Adjust ;)...
Title: Re: Recent Jaboticaba graft's
Post by: sanitarium on July 11, 2013, 06:18:08 AM
May the force be with you!!

Soon I will start to reveal my secrets to grafting Jaboticaba!!

I'm almost ready!!

Maybe by the end of this season!!

Please keep us posted on your progress!!!

I want the world to get excited about grafting Myrciarias!!! (Plinias too  ;) )


Just cant wait for the first secret to be revealed.. maybe you can set some schedule Adam.. :)

A few pic's of some wood I received the other day and grafted on two small paulista seedlings I have in the ground.


How are the grafts, did any takes?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: ScottR on July 12, 2013, 12:19:54 AM
Santi- I still don't know for sure if any have taken but here is a pic of one Grimal graft that maybeee!
(http://s21.postimg.cc/seomuk85f/Jabo_graft_s_001.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/seomuk85f/)
I haven't had the heart to check (cut into scion to see if still green) the non active graft's. ::) ??? 8)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: ScottR on July 12, 2013, 10:46:13 PM
Daniel, I checked a red Jabo graft today to see if was alive and it's still green, so full steam ahead hopefully the plants are flushing new growth again! 8)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 13, 2013, 02:10:55 PM
Robert,

looking good...I hope they push for you...but heed this advice...
they can take months to push....or less than 2 weeks...

They can also stay green, and still fail.

They can also push new growth, then die back, only to resprout and survive....and of course, to make matters more confusing, they can push out growth, and then die back, only to fail.

also I'd also use cleft grafts exclusively. (Its my fav graft anyway...lol)

Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: PltdWorld on July 14, 2013, 12:00:30 AM
From the first grafts I attempted earlier this year, Selma took as did Behl (very excited about that) and Honeyhart.  Holding out hope for Pierce as well, unfortunately I didn't have the union tied very well and a graft that had leafed out and flowered was pulled out by a bird.

Selma
(http://plantedworld.com/photos/grafting/Selma_graft-sml.jpg)

Honeyhart
(http://plantedworld.com/photos/grafting/Honeyhart_graft-sml.jpg)

Behl
(http://plantedworld.com/photos/grafting/Behl_graft-sml.jpg)

Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Guanabanus on July 14, 2013, 10:00:59 AM
Beautiful grafts and photography!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: PltdWorld on July 14, 2013, 01:09:18 PM
Beautiful grafts and photography!

Thanks for the compliments Har!  Any success I have had is a direct result of all of the forum members here sharing their knowledge and budwood.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: eNorm on July 20, 2013, 05:38:44 PM
Here's my first attempt at grafting Sabara Jaboticaba.  Below are photos of the progression over 4 months time.  I guess it turned out pretty good.   ::)

3-1-13
(http://s12.postimg.cc/k1lw6fwxl/3_1_13.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/k1lw6fwxl/)

5-18-13
(http://s8.postimg.cc/pv1a127gx/5_18_13b.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/pv1a127gx/)

5-22-13
(http://s8.postimg.cc/k1r80hvtd/5_22_13.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/k1r80hvtd/)

5-27-13
(http://s8.postimg.cc/m8vgof13l/5_27_13a.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/m8vgof13l/)

(http://s8.postimg.cc/ufngfzr69/5_27_13b.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ufngfzr69/)

6-9-13
(http://s8.postimg.cc/cn1w849xt/6_9_13.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/cn1w849xt/)

6-23-13
(http://s8.postimg.cc/7gvcatkk1/6_23_13.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7gvcatkk1/)

6-25-13
(http://s8.postimg.cc/wpg64hpht/6_25_13.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wpg64hpht/)

6-27-13
(http://s8.postimg.cc/f0ofcvdqp/6_27_13.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/f0ofcvdqp/)

6-29-13
(http://s8.postimg.cc/l2w23d26p/6_29_13.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/l2w23d26p/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 20, 2013, 06:14:38 PM
 :o

enorm!!!

great job!

you got fruits faster than anyone Ive seen!!!

thanks for sharing!

did the scion ever leaf out?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: PltdWorld on July 20, 2013, 06:18:50 PM
Nice pictures enorm & congratulations!

What jabo did you graft onto as rootstock?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: eNorm on July 20, 2013, 06:39:56 PM
Thank you Adam and PltdWorld!  It hasn't leafed out still... just a stick.  I assume it's still alive  :-\.  The rootstock was also a small leafed Sabara that has yet to flower on it's own.  I was determined to get it to fruit one way or another.  ;D
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: kh0110 on July 20, 2013, 07:46:00 PM
eNorm, 4 months to get Jabo fruits? That's eNormous!!! :))  Congratulations!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: ScottR on July 20, 2013, 11:18:05 PM
eNorm, way to go on your grafts, did you graft onto existing  tree in ground or in pot? 8)

Adam, thank for the advice, I'm not giving up on those grafts yet ;) 8)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: eNorm on July 21, 2013, 02:38:27 AM
Thank you Thera and Scott.  It's in large 20 or 25 gallon pot.  I'm still debating whether to put it in the ground or not.  Best of luck on your grafts Scott.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: MarinFla on July 22, 2013, 11:38:05 AM
Thank you Thera and Scott.  It's in large 20 or 25 gallon pot.  I'm still debating whether to put it in the ground or not.  Best of luck on your grafts Scott.
Great job!!! I just germinated a few Jaboticaba seeds that are about 3 inches tall with 3 sets of leaves....I hope some day to get to where you are!! Congrats
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: xshen on July 22, 2013, 11:55:55 AM
enorm, 

What type of graft did you do?  Cceft?  Congrats!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: eNorm on July 23, 2013, 12:17:30 AM
Thank you MarinFla.  Good luck on your little seedlings.

xshen,

I used a cleft graft and bagged the grafted branch.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on July 23, 2013, 11:48:13 AM
Congrats on all your successes everyone.
Amazing job, Norm.  Good thing you kept that scion lengthy, may not have gotten fruits otherwise ;D  How difficult was it to cut into that thick scion?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: marklee on July 26, 2013, 07:38:07 PM
Robert,

looking good...I hope they push for you...but heed this advice...
they can take months to push....or less than 2 weeks...

They can also stay green, and still fail.

They can also push new growth, then die back, only to resprout and survive....and of course, to make matters more confusing, they can push out growth, and then die back, only to fail.

also I'd also use cleft grafts exclusively. (Its my fav graft anyway...lol)

Adam, here are a couple photos of the Kimber Custard apple grafts, the green one pushed out after 3 months, the red came out within a few weeks. The red jabo took a few months but put out this big flush, not sure if it will keep, but I did do cleft grafts on all of them.
(http://s11.postimg.cc/641inglgv/green.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/641inglgv/)


(http://s21.postimg.cc/di928yx4z/red.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/di928yx4z/)

(http://s13.postimg.cc/m2oalzbpv/redjabo1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/m2oalzbpv/)
Red Jaboticaba graft on Sabara in 25 gallon that has never fruited
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 26, 2013, 10:32:18 PM
Great job Mark!

looks like they'll all take!

thanks for sharing pics!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: ScottR on July 26, 2013, 10:46:44 PM
Cool Graft's Mark, thank for posting pic's good luck with continued growth on your grafts. It's been a funny year for me with my graft's, some outright died right away others take then fail actually have had quite a few graft's do that on me this year! :-\ ??? ::) 8) Glad to see some having success! ;) 
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: marklee on July 26, 2013, 11:13:29 PM
Cool Graft's Mark, thank for posting pic's good luck with continued growth on your grafts. It's been a funny year for me with my graft's, some outright died right away others take then fail actually have had quite a few graft's do that on me this year! :-\ ??? ::) 8) Glad to see some having success! ;)
Scott, I had quite a few failures, most of the sugar apples I tried didn't make it. Cherimoya and Atemoya are fine, but the scions I got from Florida didn't make it, they are just on a different schedule. I still have a Florida hass from the spring that is still green but no buds, also some Illamas. I brought back white sapote, and loquat scions that I got from Adam in Florida that all took. I guess we can just keep trying.

Mark
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: ScottR on July 26, 2013, 11:22:36 PM
"Boldly forward" all we have to loose is graft's! ;) Mark, what was the name of the W. Sapote that you got Adam, grow it well so I can trade you scion wood in future! ;)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 26, 2013, 11:31:59 PM
Mark

I wonder if you got the Peluche loquat? It's supposed to make fruits that are very large and very sweet!  Maybe the largest loquat I've seen...but I think they're susceptible to russeting.

I had that cultivar and another called Avri.

I hope they do well for you. 
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: marklee on July 27, 2013, 01:43:21 AM
Adam, the Peluchi or Feluchi  and Avri loquats took fine,  I can't wait to taste them.

The white sapotes I got from you were Skipper, and Smathers, they both took also. The wooly leave sapotes budded out right away and then died back.

I also got one of the Giant Mexican sugar apples to take. The other annonas eventually didn't pull through. Here are the photos of some of them. Thanks again.
(http://s13.postimg.cc/l6dkhtts3/IMG_6906.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/l6dkhtts3/)

(http://s12.postimg.cc/sokjawn0p/IMG_6915.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/sokjawn0p/)

(http://s13.postimg.cc/sdjurfu2r/IMG_6916.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/sdjurfu2r/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/j8kop6v5n/IMG_6917.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/j8kop6v5n/)

(http://s12.postimg.cc/g14rye83t/IMG_6918.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/g14rye83t/)

(http://s8.postimg.cc/8xfmotnkh/IMG_6920.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8xfmotnkh/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/e0f74c72p/IMG_6923.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/e0f74c72p/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/iyd65ugjf/IMG_6924.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/iyd65ugjf/)

(http://s12.postimg.cc/qf10dw3gp/IMG_6925.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qf10dw3gp/)

(http://s7.postimg.cc/l6s58z247/IMG_6927.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/l6s58z247/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: marklee on July 30, 2013, 08:00:49 PM
Adam, here are the photos of the scions you gave me grafted up.
Adam, the Peluchi or Feluchi  and Avri loquats took fine,  I can't wait to taste them.

The white sapotes I got from you were Skipper, and Smathers, they both took also. The wooly leave sapotes budded out right away and then died back.

I also got one of the Giant Mexican sugar apples to take. The other annonas eventually didn't pull through. Here are the photos of some of them. Thanks again.
(http://s13.postimg.cc/l6dkhtts3/IMG_6906.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/l6dkhtts3/)

(http://s12.postimg.cc/sokjawn0p/IMG_6915.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/sokjawn0p/)

(http://s13.postimg.cc/sdjurfu2r/IMG_6916.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/sdjurfu2r/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/j8kop6v5n/IMG_6917.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/j8kop6v5n/)

(http://s12.postimg.cc/g14rye83t/IMG_6918.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/g14rye83t/)

(http://s8.postimg.cc/8xfmotnkh/IMG_6920.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8xfmotnkh/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/e0f74c72p/IMG_6923.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/e0f74c72p/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/iyd65ugjf/IMG_6924.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/iyd65ugjf/)

(http://s12.postimg.cc/qf10dw3gp/IMG_6925.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qf10dw3gp/)

(http://s7.postimg.cc/l6s58z247/IMG_6927.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/l6s58z247/)
(http://s23.postimg.cc/xisb86nc7/red1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/xisb86nc7/)
Red Jaboticaba "Hybrid"
(http://s16.postimg.cc/709kuiytt/red2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/709kuiytt/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: ScottR on July 30, 2013, 09:35:18 PM
Marklee, thanks for posting pic's of your graft's there all looking great, nice job well done! 8)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 30, 2013, 10:06:48 PM
thanks for sharing pics Mark!

excellent job!
Title: Lucuma looks like a take
Post by: TREESNMORE on August 29, 2013, 11:27:08 AM
This is two pictures of lucuma I grafted onto canistel on july 27 I did one more that I wrapped in parafilm it has not pushed yet. I will post picture of the graft when I unwrap them
(http://s8.postimg.cc/gjihjs5a9/001.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gjihjs5a9/)

(http://s7.postimg.cc/h4ybnceav/002.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/h4ybnceav/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: mangoprofessor on August 29, 2013, 11:03:17 PM
There is lots of good advice in this thread, and I would like to add something for consideration as well.  My grafting success with outdoor grafting (outside of a greenhouse) has always been very high for two reasons in particular.  First is choosing the right time of year, and second is that I condition the budwood ahead of time. 

In Southern California the best grafting results for citrus, avocados and mangoes is during the warmest months of the year, July through September, because that encourages growth.  With each of the above varieties, cutting the tree or branch back to either a stump or large branch is the preferred method.  The tools you will need are a tree saw, a sharp wood chisel, and a very sharp knife.  We use a cleft graft directly into the stump or branch with the following steps:  Make a clean saw cut of the tree stump or branch depending on if you want to change the whole tree or just part of it.   For a stump, depending on the size of the tree, use the sharp wood chisel to make a clean trim arc around the stump on the cut surface so you can see the cambium layer clearly.  Next, cut several V-shaped  notches from the cross cut section down from the tree stump, tapering to a point.  The width of the V at the top of the notch is determined by the thickness of the budwood branch.  Larger budwood will do better when top-working a tree.  Use the wood chisel to trim the V notch cut for a tight cleft graft fit.     

For a high rate of grafting success the budwood needs to be prepared properly.   I personally like branches that had blossom panicles that failed to produce fruit.  They are bigger and fatter and will hold more nutrients for the graft.  Cut all the leaves off the branch for a distance of about 6 or 7 inches from the end.  Make sure you leave a little leaf stump like in the first picture I have posted below.  Check the budwood stick every few days and gently test the little stumps with your fingertip.  After 4 or 5 days they will fall off when touched.   See picture number 2.   The plant is now starting to send supplies to the little branch for new growth.  Keep careful watch on the buds and you will soon see them begin to swell.  The buds in picture number 3 are still usable, but this stick should have been cut a couple days earlier for grafting.  If you pre-treat your budwood and can get a good cambium layer match, your graft success rate should be in the 90 percent range.  We plan on making a video to help see the actual grafting process and we will post it soon.

I apologize for the poor quality of the photos. I took them quick with my phone camera so I could include them in this post. Wishing you good grafting!!

(http://s2.postimg.cc/4z6azn8t1/Budwood_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4z6azn8t1/)

(http://s18.postimg.cc/5hw8nbyid/budwood_2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5hw8nbyid/)

(http://s18.postimg.cc/9tkucc5f9/Budwood_3.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9tkucc5f9/)
Title: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: behlgarden on September 12, 2013, 12:06:20 PM
Call it pure luck, call it hot high humid weather, call it fresh scions, call it rootstock flowing with sap, regardless, this is first time in my 2-yr grafting career that I hit 100% success rate on Mango Grafting.

I grafted 10 grafts of Phimsen Man Thawai onto ataulfo rootstock. three scions actually had 3 and 4 branches on them so I just grafted the whole thing. all 10 grafts took. I have been pretty bad in Mango grafting.

I used cleft and veneer methods. My takeaway from the success besides weather, timing, and quality of scions are:
1. The scions were green from new growth (no more than 6 months old)
2. The scions were same thickness as rootstock branches, less than size of pencil.

Take a look at the picture, you will see a lot of grafts pushing. The one that has not puched is Angie (from Florida), still green though but not as fresh as I got the Thai variety. This variety is actually from a seedling that is actually much larger fruit, very sweet, fiberless, and orage colored flesh, compared to small average size that Phimsen Man produces.
I might give this method a try on other varities as I get hold of more variety scions.
(http://s24.postimg.cc/soq4wz5g1/Mango.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/soq4wz5g1/)
Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: Ethan on September 12, 2013, 12:38:27 PM
Holy smokes Behl, great job and all one one plant that is crazy!  Do you eat the Thai variety green?
Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: HMHausman on September 12, 2013, 12:40:11 PM
Call it pure luck, call it hot high humid weather, call it fresh scions, call it rootstock flowing with sap, regardless, this is first time in my 2-yr grafting career that I hit 100% success rate on Mango Grafting.

I grafted 10 grafts of Phimsen Man Thawai onto ataulfo rootstock. three scions actually had 3 and 4 branches on them so I just grafted the whole thing. all 10 grafts took. I have been pretty bad in Mango grafting.

I used cleft and veneer methods. My takeaway from the success besides weather, timing, and quality of scions are:
1. The scions were green from new growth (no more than 6 months old)
2. The scions were same thickness as rootstock branches, less than size of pencil.

Take a look at the picture, you will see a lot of grafts pushing. The one that has not puched is Angie (from Florida), still green though but not as fresh as I got the Thai variety. This variety is actually from a seedling that is actually much larger fruit, very sweet, fiberless, and orage colored flesh, compared to small average size that Phimsen Man produces.
I might give this method a try on other varities as I get hold of more variety scions.
(http://s24.postimg.cc/soq4wz5g1/Mango.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/soq4wz5g1/)

I wouldn't call it any of the above.  I would call it it pretty damned impressive.  When were the grafts actually done.  I have never had 50% takes, never mind 100%.
Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: edzone9 on September 12, 2013, 01:08:10 PM
Looking good ! , great job..
Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: behlgarden on September 12, 2013, 02:04:49 PM
Harry, I grafted these 3-weeks ago. I am on disbelief myself.

Ethan, which Thai green? NDM is edible green too
Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: HMHausman on September 12, 2013, 02:15:06 PM
I don't want to jinx you, but I have had mango grafts that looked great at 3 weeks only to die at the 4-5 week post graft period.  Hopefully you'll have better luck.  Keep us posted.
Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: behlgarden on September 12, 2013, 03:03:10 PM
I will, these have grown over 3 inches and are in full swing
Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: bangkok on September 12, 2013, 03:54:25 PM
Well done! If you had used 10 different scions then you could have a 500$ cocktail mango-tree for sale i guess. If you put that on Ebay somebody will buy it from you. If you let it grow 2-3 years the price can be 1000 easy i think.

I also have serious offers for my cocktail tree's pending but i won't sell them, they are my kids.





Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: MangoFang on September 12, 2013, 05:32:27 PM
Way to go Behl!  We learned a new grafting technique from the mango professor yesterday
and Ashok took a video - I'll post it as soon as he sends it to me...very different...

but then...it doesn't look like you need any help!

Gary
Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: behlgarden on September 12, 2013, 06:57:22 PM
Gary,

I have watched a lot of videos myself, and found guavas to be hardest to graft, then came mangoes. I will keep all posted.

By the way, I do have 5 cosktail trees now, 4 have average of 5 mango varities on them. This winter I plan on bringing Bengalpali and Amarpali from India (yes, wrapped with Buddy Tape).

still looking for some varities such as sweet tart, lemon zest, valencia pride, pinacolada, etc.
Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 12, 2013, 07:13:31 PM
Nice job. The other (very important) things that helped your success are:

 - you left plenty of foliage so as not to starve the rootstock of energy
 - you grafted onto young/green portions of the rootstock
Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: PltdWorld on September 13, 2013, 08:49:55 AM
Congratulations on the success Behl and thanks for sharing your method!  I'm still waiting for my two veneer grafts to show any signs of growth (still green) and for the Haden I prepped (using mangoprofessor's method) to swell so I can graft that onto rootstock I have waiting.
Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: Tropicdude on September 13, 2013, 11:21:35 AM
Wow that's amazing, how you have all that branching already.  gratz on the high success rates.
Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: ScottR on September 13, 2013, 11:50:16 AM
Look out Joe & MangoF there another mango grafter on your tail's, great job Behl you must have the touch! ;) 8) 8)
Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: behlgarden on September 13, 2013, 12:10:09 PM
Tropicdude, that branching is funny, that is actually a scion that is size of a pencil and had 3 to 5 branches on that scion, I decided to graft that as one scion with branches on, all branches took, which is what is the most interesting part of it.

I will post pictures tomorrow, showing more progress.
Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: JF on September 13, 2013, 03:46:28 PM
Wow behl, that's amazing!!! You gotta come over the house next week and do a few multi grafts on my mango trees.
Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: cuban007 on September 13, 2013, 09:03:59 PM
Behl, nice work!!! I will stop by next week to check it out. Let me know when you're available.
Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: LEOOEL on September 13, 2013, 10:20:11 PM
Great job, that is also something I'm planning to learn to do.
Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: bangkok on September 14, 2013, 12:43:01 AM
Great job, that is also something I'm planning to learn to do.

Don't plan, just do it! Make yourself some seedlings and try to graft some scion on them. What can you loose in that? Yes a seedling tree, some scions, some plastic or grafting tape....if you go to the movies you loose more money and learned nothing serious.

I found out that grafting scions does not work for me, i still don't know why. It works but not with a high succes rate so i do approach grafting which works fine for me.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on September 18, 2013, 12:29:44 PM
I find success grafting with soft green scions, still very young & tender coming off the tree(s).  Neither prepped nor mature enough to most of your likings.  Here are 2 of 3 grafts....1st graft is starting to swell, the 2nd grafted scion was so thin I could only match one side, notice the opening?

graft 1
(http://s18.postimg.cc/6urb4x2np/IMG_20130918_064114.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6urb4x2np/)

graft 2.0
(http://s18.postimg.cc/cf3sfk1it/IMG_20130918_064153.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/cf3sfk1it/)
graft 2.1
(http://s18.postimg.cc/jjllol8s5/IMG_20130918_064235.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/jjllol8s5/)
graft 2.2
(http://s18.postimg.cc/8y1qcl2gl/IMG_20130918_064303.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8y1qcl2gl/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: PltdWorld on September 18, 2013, 01:50:08 PM
Tim - I've wondered why most people tout the veneer graft on a mango since it seems there  would be greater contact of cambium layers with cleft grafting as you've done.  Have you tried veneer grafting mangoes and if so what was your success rate vs cleft?

Thanks for sharing  the photos!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on September 18, 2013, 02:45:58 PM
Jeff - to be honest, I've had better luck with veneer.  I employ this method because the scions I get rarely ever match up in size...which I am now wondering why I didn't veneer graft them instead?  Anyhow, random note, I got 3 of 5 Lemon Zest to take with veneer method in Vietnam.

Look up forkert method, I only did one but it was a successful graft until my dog trampled it.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on September 18, 2013, 03:38:17 PM
Tim..

I remember you did a cleft graft with about a 6-7 cm long graft union...how's that one healing up?

I like those long cuts!

nice work!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on September 18, 2013, 04:15:38 PM
Adam - I gave it to Simon (simon_grow).  Last time we talked, he said it's doing really well...growing fast.  He wants to plant it in his front yard, the man's gonna have lots of unwanted visitors soon.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JF on September 18, 2013, 05:44:01 PM
Mihns atemoya did not have too many flowers but it's holding 2 fruits here is the larger one

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_6717.jpg)

Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on September 18, 2013, 05:59:56 PM
Mihns atemoya did not have too many flowers but it's holding 2 fruits here is the larger one

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_6717.jpg)

very cool JF.  thanks for sharing pics.

I have a Minh, and it's grown very fast...being extremely vigorous.

its been flowering quite a bit, but not setting any fruits...being that it was just grafted this year, I wasn't hand pollinating at all....maybe next year I'll start trying to pollinate.

I hope it performs well in FL! I believe it will be a nice new variety for our state!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JF on September 18, 2013, 11:13:35 PM
Mihns atemoya did not have too many flowers but it's holding 2 fruits here is the larger one



very cool JF.  thanks for sharing pics.

I have a Minh, and it's grown very fast...being extremely vigorous.

its been flowering quite a bit, but not setting any fruits...being that it was just grafted this year, I wasn't hand pollinating at all....maybe next year I'll start trying to pollinate.

I hope it performs well in FL! I believe it will be a nice new variety for our state!

It's super vigorous! I've had to prune it three times this year ironically the tree that fruited and flower the most was from scions I grafted this March onto my in ground three year old cherimoya seedling. The fruit is very large and probably one of the best atemoya. It took him a long time to find it.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: simon_grow on September 19, 2013, 02:17:39 AM
Hey Adam and Tim,
The tree is doing great! When Tim gave me the tree, it was only about 12 inches tall but it has more than tripled in height. This long cleft graft had the best, precise cut I have ever seen with my own eyes. Tim, you should seriously consider being a surgeon. I wish my appendectomy scar were as clean as the cuts you made on that Lemon Zest scion and Manilla rootstock. The scar from the cleft graft has almost completely disappeared. Thanks again for the tree Tim!

(http://s24.postimg.cc/z1iih5yw1/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/z1iih5yw1/)

(http://s24.postimg.cc/myd6tlntt/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/myd6tlntt/)

(http://s24.postimg.cc/dcjmdawo1/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dcjmdawo1/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on September 19, 2013, 03:07:07 PM
wow!  thanks for posting Simon!

that mango tree looks as healthy as can be!

Tim...that graft union looks so nice!  I wonder if you can do an even longer cleft?

we gotta have a longest cleft contest!

Title: Re: My Mango Graft Success, 10 out of 10
Post by: behlgarden on September 19, 2013, 06:55:54 PM
Behl, nice work!!! I will stop by next week to check it out. Let me know when you're available.

Cuban007, anytime! I am available Fri thru Sunday!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on September 23, 2013, 06:57:23 PM
OK, reporting back on my forced cherimoya flowering method, very happy to report good success with update on grafts from this season (Apr 2013 grafts)

Forced growth that resulted in heavy flowering and fruit set. Given how vigorous the plant is, it appears el bumpo, too early to tell though. This graft from Apr to now has grown 6 feet with 8 branches and loaded with flowers after I pushed it via stripping leaves and cutting off the tip of growth. With colder temps fast approaching, not sure if the small fruits would get bigger in absense of heat. Praying for toasty Oct in So Cal, he he!
(http://s21.postimg.cc/a4ns34snn/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/a4ns34snn/)
(http://s15.postimg.cc/ea5upa0on/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ea5upa0on/)


Selma (came from Norm). Selma on my tree is growing laterally and not vertically up, which is better for me to pollinate! :-D
(http://s7.postimg.cc/lpn467tlz/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/lpn467tlz/)

Fino, the sucker want to put fruit but not a single leaf or branch, LOL
(http://s8.postimg.cc/lit5msxcx/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/lit5msxcx/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on September 23, 2013, 07:22:05 PM
Behl, can you please repost your pictures and check them off as Family Safe images?
I removed your pictures cuz of the highly inappropriate ads (even for x-rated) it's tagged with.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on September 23, 2013, 07:36:59 PM
sorry, didnt realize that. why is there "Adult" thing there anyway?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: kh0110 on September 23, 2013, 09:33:47 PM
Behl, your Fino photo (last photo) looks more like a El Bumpo or something else but really not a Fino de Jete.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on September 23, 2013, 09:42:19 PM
I will take ek bumpo over fino all day long. Not sure if this came from someone or I picked up at CRFG. But growth habit of this scion is definitely not like el bumpo, also this was self pollinating vs el bumpo that is not so.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JF on September 24, 2013, 12:10:30 AM
Annona Diversifolia Update.

Grafted March 2012-13

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_6743.jpg)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on October 04, 2013, 11:55:05 AM
I cant find my original post of mango grafts, but wanted to report back here that all 10 out of 10 grafts that took are healthy and are now pushing for 2nd flush.

Harry, yes, they all survived. I cant beleive it.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JF on October 04, 2013, 02:55:35 PM
I cant find my original post of mango grafts, but wanted to report back here that all 10 out of 10 grafts that took are healthy and are now pushing for 2nd flush.

Harry, yes, they all survived. I cant beleive it.

Behl, that pimsarnmun budwood from Thailand was excellent. Both of the scions Ashok gave me have took but at a much slower pace than yours.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on October 09, 2013, 12:11:50 AM
Hey Behl - a really big bird tweeted you've successfully grafted soursop onto Cherimoya, can you please share a few pictures? ;D
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JF on October 09, 2013, 12:26:42 AM
Hey Behl - a really big bird tweeted you've successfully grafted soursop onto Cherimoya, can you please share a few pictures? ;D
  not true, a.reticulata, we are waiting for your results....any luck??
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on October 09, 2013, 01:12:01 AM
Hey Behl - a really big bird tweeted you've successfully grafted soursop onto Cherimoya, can you please share a few pictures? ;D

Hahaha Tim, I got the bud wood but it never took. Wonder where it came from. I did get Cuban red and Selma takes though. Still trying to get red I lama in cherimoya. I will force that sucker next year
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on October 09, 2013, 01:37:19 AM
Oh man!!! Seriously? OK... No pressure
Scions aren't black yet so I'd say so far so good.  But I gotta confess, I was so wrapped up I didn't get to graft them till 4 days later ;D  by that time, they looked a bit shriveled up.  We're only one week in so we'll see...

Next time Behl.... Didn't Joe successfully graft Genova red onto Cherimoya?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on October 09, 2013, 07:51:26 AM
Yes, JF got Genova red illama successfully grafted onto cherimoya. I just need so.e scions next year so I can try my hands on them.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: marklee on October 09, 2013, 09:44:01 PM
I have some good takes of illama and diversifolia on cherimoya this year.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on October 09, 2013, 09:55:30 PM
Did u get any fruit set? Where did u get the scions from?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: marklee on October 10, 2013, 03:48:54 PM
Did u get any fruit set? Where did u get the scions from?
Sorry I meant Illama (diversifolia) and custard apple (reticulata). I got the reticulata from a tree I've had in the ground. And the diversifolia from a guy here in San Diego. No fruit set on the newly grafted ones, but had the reticulata fruit set last winter and ate some in the spring.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: marklee on October 10, 2013, 05:11:23 PM
Just unwrapped a Zebda graft, the scion was pretty big, it had about 5 small branches with buds pushing. Has anyone tried grafting scions with multiple branches? I'll get another photo up of the entire scion.
(http://s21.postimg.cc/ebnqmfr2b/CAM00693.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ebnqmfr2b/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on October 10, 2013, 07:14:56 PM
I got a 5 branch scion that took, that too on a mango!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: marklee on October 10, 2013, 07:17:44 PM
I got a 5 branch scion that took, that too on a mango!
Your Behl Cherimoya I grafted earlier this year is pretyy huge. I can't remember the parentage of it. Can't wait to taste it.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: behlgarden on October 10, 2013, 08:42:36 PM
Did the cherimoya fruit this year?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: marklee on October 10, 2013, 11:20:08 PM
No fruit this season.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: PltdWorld on October 11, 2013, 02:34:24 AM
Your Behl Cherimoya I grafted earlier this year is pretyy huge. I can't remember the parentage of it. Can't wait to taste it.

My Behl scion produced two flowers, but neither set this year... I expect it will give fruit next year.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JF on October 12, 2013, 01:07:37 AM
Your Behl Cherimoya I grafted earlier this year is pretyy huge. I can't remember the parentage of it. Can't wait to taste it.

My Behl scion produced two flowers, but neither set this year... I expect it will give fruit next year.

Behl,s cherimoya is a world class fruit....it's now in SCREC (Irvine)Cherimoyas collection.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: ScottR on October 14, 2013, 11:32:45 PM
Behl, i didn't get that going this year I'll have to get wood from you again, sure want that variety! ;)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: emegar on October 16, 2013, 08:07:25 PM
I thought I'd post a few of my grafting successes from this season. Of course, the dozens of failed grafts (particularly on my lychee) will not feature in this particular post.
(http://s18.postimg.cc/ea5y61tyd/20131016_164058.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ea5y61tyd/)
Top branch is Golden Glow,  grafted on Alphonso. Sorry I couldn't rotate this image on my tablet.

(http://s7.postimg.cc/e3prs71uv/20131016_164120.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/e3prs71uv/)
Pim Sen Mun mango on left (grafted last year onto Manila rootstock) and Po Pyu Kalay (Lemon Merengue) on right,  grafted this year.

(http://s16.postimg.cc/e0h689ott/20131016_164247.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/e0h689ott/)
No Mai Tze lychee on my HakIp tree.

Now if I can just keep the new, tender growth from blowing away in our Santa Ana winds!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: fruit4me on October 22, 2013, 10:13:28 PM
Update on the topwork grafts I did on my grandma's cherrimoya tree from March this year. Most of the budwood I got from Nullzero(Thanks). Got a few fruits hanging on right now. I think they are lisa and African Pride. Sadly, no Cangrejo's sugar apple.

(http://s23.postimg.cc/bvcd8zx7b/20130425_145308.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bvcd8zx7b/)

(http://s12.postimg.cc/teqw21h7d/20131021_102405.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/teqw21h7d/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/f25zpr1q5/20131021_103414.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/f25zpr1q5/)

(http://s17.postimg.cc/uoo5sr9h7/20131021_103334.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/uoo5sr9h7/)

(http://s24.postimg.cc/thudvik5d/20131021_104117.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/thudvik5d/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/zg0ccnvqb/20131021_104327.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/zg0ccnvqb/)

(http://s7.postimg.cc/4v4n2ihmf/20131021_104217.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4v4n2ihmf/)


Max
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Post by: nch on October 22, 2013, 11:13:16 PM
Great job, James and Max.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: emegar on October 22, 2013, 11:25:58 PM
Thanks, nch!

Beautiful fruits,  Max. I had the first fruit set on my cherimoya just a couple of weeks ago,  and I'm wondering whether it will mature properly, what with the lateness of fruit set. It's about the size of a quarter at the moment.  The tree is a variety called Elixir, but the fruit is on a grafted El Bumpo branch.

Anybody care to guess my chances of a Fall fruit maturing?

Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JF on October 23, 2013, 11:49:44 AM
Update on the topwork grafts I did on my grandma's cherrimoya tree from March this year. Most of the budwood I got from Nullzero(Thanks). Got a few fruits hanging on right now. I think they are lisa and African Pride. Sadly, no Cangrejo's sugar apple.

(http://s23.postimg.cc/bvcd8zx7b/20130425_145308.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bvcd8zx7b/)

(http://s12.postimg.cc/teqw21h7d/20131021_102405.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/teqw21h7d/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/f25zpr1q5/20131021_103414.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/f25zpr1q5/)

(http://s17.postimg.cc/uoo5sr9h7/20131021_103334.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/uoo5sr9h7/)

(http://s24.postimg.cc/thudvik5d/20131021_104117.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/thudvik5d/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/zg0ccnvqb/20131021_104327.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/zg0ccnvqb/)

(http://s7.postimg.cc/4v4n2ihmf/20131021_104217.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4v4n2ihmf/)


Max
Those scions are from my trees.
Lisa,African Pride and Mr. Minh.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: kh0110 on October 23, 2013, 03:30:40 PM
...
(http://s21.postimg.cc/zg0ccnvqb/20131021_104327.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/zg0ccnvqb/)
...

Max, this one looks like a Minh Atemoya.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JF on October 23, 2013, 10:03:38 PM
...
(http://s21.postimg.cc/zg0ccnvqb/20131021_104327.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/zg0ccnvqb/)
...

Max, this one looks like a Minh Atemoya.

yes it is, I gave it to Nullzy to distribute.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: fruit4me on October 24, 2013, 02:11:30 AM
...
(http://s21.postimg.cc/zg0ccnvqb/20131021_104327.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/zg0ccnvqb/)
...

Max, this one looks like a Minh Atemoya.

yes it is, I gave it to Nullzy to distribute.

JF, big thanks to you for sharing the scions. :)
In regards to this Minh Atemoya, i could have sworn this fruit was on the same branch as the Lisa Atemoya.
This tree is in the neighborhood of Lincoln Heights, LA area. By chance, do you know when these fruit will be ready to pick? Your area is not too far away, so I think the timing should be the same as yours. The fruit may look big in the pictures, but are still pretty small. A good comparison wood be the size of a tennis ball.

Thanks nch and James!

James, sorry i cant help you on your question. I'm still new to annonas. Never tasted any of these fruits before, i hope my grandma doesn't for get about me. I've only had cherrimoyas before.

Max

Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: fruit4me on October 25, 2013, 06:12:04 PM
I went back to my grandma's house and check on the graft that looks like Minh's atemoya. I have it labeled as a Lisa, so will see.

MAX


(http://s17.postimg.cc/doe81l2nf/20131025_110026.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/doe81l2nf/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/wajvh98u5/20131025_110049.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wajvh98u5/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: kh0110 on October 25, 2013, 06:23:01 PM
I went back to my grandma's house and check on the graft that looks like Minh's atemoya. I have it labeled as a Lisa, so will see.

MAX

This last photo is without flash, and it does have some Lisa red at the base. A runt Lisa?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: venturabananas on October 26, 2013, 12:28:42 AM
Update on the topwork grafts I did on my grandma's cherrimoya tree from March this year. Most of the budwood I got from Nullzero(Thanks). Got a few fruits hanging on right now. I think they are lisa and African Pride. Sadly, no Cangrejo's sugar apple.

(http://s23.postimg.cc/bvcd8zx7b/20130425_145308.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bvcd8zx7b/)

Were these cleft grafted or bark grafted?  Awesome results.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: fruit4me on October 26, 2013, 01:44:04 AM
Venturabananas

Sorry, I don't know the proper terms for the graft. But, with the smaller scions, i just pealed the bark back a little and slipped it in the side of the trunk(side bark graft?). Then with the larger scions, I made a cut down the middle splitting the trunk and put one budwood on each side. Not all the grafts took, of course. Got pretty lucky with the results though. Currently there's Lisa, African Pride, Booth, Peierce, and an unknown atemoya grafted on that one tree!WoW! Now all I'm missing is that sugar apple.

Max

Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: venturabananas on October 27, 2013, 12:57:40 AM
Thanks for the response Max.  Sounds like you did both bark grafts and cleft grafts.  Looks like they both worked great.  -- Mark
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: nullzero on October 27, 2013, 02:59:37 AM
Congrats Max on the successful grafts. There was a labeling error made with the cangrenjo and minhs. It was good to hear success with the distributed wood from JF.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: fruit4me on October 27, 2013, 02:28:22 PM
Congrats Max on the successful grafts. There was a labeling error made with the cangrenjo and minhs. It was good to hear success with the distributed wood from JF.

Thank you very much to all you guys for making it happen! JF, Nullzero, and Behl.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JF on October 27, 2013, 03:12:01 PM
Congrats Max on the successful grafts. There was a labeling error made with the cangrenjo and minhs. It was good to hear success with the distributed wood from JF.

Thank you very much to all you guys for making it happen! JF, Nullzero, and Behl.

Thanks Max for reminding us of Behl's help. All I ask is you guys pass the scions around. This year I plan to spread some reticulata scions that grow and fruit in our area. I have several selections from Yucatan(Hunucma Amarilla) from El Caiman(Cuban Red) which is now holding fruits.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: marklee on October 28, 2013, 10:31:56 AM
Congrats Max on the successful grafts. There was a labeling error made with the cangrenjo and minhs. It was good to hear success with the distributed wood from JF.

Thank you very much to all you guys for making it happen! JF, Nullzero, and Behl.

Thanks Max for reminding us of Behl's help. All I ask is you guys pass the scions around. This year I plan to spread some reticulata scions that grow and fruit in our area. I have several selections from Yucatan(Hunucma Amarilla) from El Caiman(Cuban Red) which is now holding fruits.
JF, I will have some reticulata scion wood from Belize, maybe some "Giant Mexican Sugar Apple and a diversifolia, and this pictured  red sugar apple that will be ready in the spring if you would like to trade. Also attached is a photo of the reticulata grafted on to a cherimoya.
(http://s18.postimg.cc/50ujh7rbp/Kampong_Mauve.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/50ujh7rbp/)
Red Sugar Apple

(http://s18.postimg.cc/au4lhs2z9/redcustard.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/au4lhs2z9/)
Reticulata graft on Cherimoya

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Post by: Sven on October 28, 2013, 11:08:33 AM
In May I grafted 2 mulberry seedlings and one fruitless mulberry with Pakistan mulberry scion wood that I took off our tree in January.  The rootstocks were 2 or 3 years old so it was more like top working, but they all took even though the budwood was quite old and I’ve been surprised at the amount of growth they put on.  The one on the fruitless mulberry is nearly 6 feet tall now and the other two are nearly 5 feet.  I’ve always only grown them from cuttings and they don’t grow nearly as quickly.  Also I was impressed by the size of the leaves, my tree in the ground has much smaller leaves.  I’m going to have to water an fertilize it more next year.

Wedge graft
(http://s7.postimg.cc/gxk2akl13/20130920_163422.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gxk2akl13/)
I forget the name of this kind of graft where you just slide the scion under the bark, side veneer?
(http://s22.postimg.cc/pmzzy5jq5/20130920_163534.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/pmzzy5jq5/)
(http://s24.postimg.cc/6l5vwu6wx/20131017_134542.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6l5vwu6wx/)
I left a side branch of this seedling as it was already fruiting and it's a small white berry.
(http://s2.postimg.cc/3z38iibk5/20131017_134526.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3z38iibk5/)
(http://s9.postimg.cc/9mpvkyqjf/20131017_141624.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9mpvkyqjf/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JF on October 28, 2013, 01:59:33 PM
Congrats Max on the successful grafts. There was a labeling error made with the cangrenjo and minhs. It was good to hear success with the distributed wood from JF.

Thank you very much to all you guys for making it happen! JF, Nullzero, and Behl.

Thanks Max for reminding us of Behl's help. All I ask is you guys pass the scions around. This year I plan to spread some reticulata scions that grow and fruit in our area. I have several selections from Yucatan(Hunucma Amarilla) from El Caiman(Cuban Red) which is now holding fruits.
JF, I will have some reticulata scion wood from Belize, maybe some "Giant Mexican Sugar Apple and a diversifolia, and this pictured  red sugar apple that will be ready in the spring if you would like to trade. Also attached is a photo of the reticulata grafted on to a cherimoya.
(http://s18.postimg.cc/50ujh7rbp/Kampong_Mauve.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/50ujh7rbp/)
Red Sugar Apple

(http://s18.postimg.cc/au4lhs2z9/redcustard.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/au4lhs2z9/)
Reticulata graft on Cherimoya

Very impressive Mark you are in an elite group. I can't get a reticulate to take on cherimoya. Mark PM me, I have an event in December that you might be interested in.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: fruit4me on October 28, 2013, 02:01:34 PM
This year I plan to spread some reticulata scions that grow and fruit in our area. I have several selections from Yucatan(Hunucma Amarilla) from El Caiman(Cuban Red) which is now holding fruits.
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JF
Thats very exciting news! Can't wait for another successful grafting season. If you ned help distributing scions, just let me know.

Sven and Marklee, looking very nicely. Especially, the red sugar apple!

Max
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JF on October 28, 2013, 11:28:53 PM
This year I plan to spread some reticulata scions that grow and fruit in our area. I have several selections from Yucatan(Hunucma Amarilla) from El Caiman(Cuban Red) which is now holding fruits.

JF
Thats very exciting news! Can't wait for another successful grafting season. If you ned help distributing scions, just let me know.

Sven and Marklee, looking very nicely. Especially, the red sugar apple!

Max
[/quote]

Thanks Max but with the reticulatas I dont have unlimetid budwood like last year. The trees are very young1, 2 years old and only 7' and 9'. The Cuban Red is holding about 20-25 fruits and I hope to harvest them in early spring......I will let everyone know when I prune them.


(http://s16.postimg.cc/9zhmztqn5/IMG_6974.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9zhmztqn5/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/qebkce8m9/IMG_6987.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qebkce8m9/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/dbfxt4ie9/IMG_6988.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dbfxt4ie9/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Tim on November 02, 2013, 02:25:56 PM
I got bored and decided to cut open a healed graft just to see what it looks like ;D

(http://s21.postimg.cc/z2nrs43mr/IMG_4929.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/z2nrs43mr/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/k45cxookj/IMG_4930.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/k45cxookj/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/wsznhcuoz/IMG_4934.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wsznhcuoz/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/s5tlfl7c3/IMG_4935.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/s5tlfl7c3/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/b7uktqxyb/IMG_4936.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/b7uktqxyb/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/okxpwd2sj/IMG_4942.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/okxpwd2sj/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/4cexodsv7/IMG_4944.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4cexodsv7/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/mhrw2fsdf/IMG_4945.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/mhrw2fsdf/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/7n3ao9isj/IMG_4946.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7n3ao9isj/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/qgp3l9h0j/IMG_4948.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qgp3l9h0j/)
Title: !
Post by: plantlover13 on November 02, 2013, 02:48:17 PM
I got bored and decided to cut open a healed graft just to see what it looks like ;D

(http://s21.postimg.cc/z2nrs43mr/IMG_4929.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/z2nrs43mr/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/k45cxookj/IMG_4930.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/k45cxookj/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/wsznhcuoz/IMG_4934.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wsznhcuoz/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/s5tlfl7c3/IMG_4935.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/s5tlfl7c3/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/b7uktqxyb/IMG_4936.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/b7uktqxyb/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/okxpwd2sj/IMG_4942.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/okxpwd2sj/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/4cexodsv7/IMG_4944.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4cexodsv7/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/mhrw2fsdf/IMG_4945.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/mhrw2fsdf/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/7n3ao9isj/IMG_4946.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7n3ao9isj/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/qgp3l9h0j/IMG_4948.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qgp3l9h0j/)


SO that's what they look like...

In the name of science!
Title: Early Fruiting
Post by: jcaldeira on November 04, 2013, 04:29:53 PM
Walking the farm today I was surprised to find little mangoes growing on a young tree that had been grafted 5 months ago.  My guess is that the scion was already intent on flowering before it was grafted.  I'll snip it off.

(http://s19.postimg.cc/cr953hzo3/First_Mangos.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)


I had similar experiences with citrus and avocado, but this is my first with the mango. 

Meyer Lemon
(http://s19.postimg.cc/8jiy8hnm7/Meyer_Lemon1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8jiy8hnm7/)

West Indian Avocado
(http://s19.postimg.cc/jsm2f8hfz/Avocado_graft_01_Medium.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/jsm2f8hfz/)

John
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JeffDM on December 01, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
In the middle of October I decided to try a couple of cleft grafts on some marginal avocado seedlings using scions from a young Hass tree growing in my backyard.  These are the first two grafts I ever attempted.

(http://s28.postimg.cc/fzmp2val5/IMG_2213.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fzmp2val5/)

Just checked and it looks like one of the two might have taken - got my fingers crossed that the new growth is above and below the graft - time will tell.

(http://s14.postimg.cc/hf01nfbe5/IMG_2296.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/hf01nfbe5/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/n6leszke5/IMG_2298.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/n6leszke5/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: PltdWorld on December 01, 2013, 11:13:31 PM
Jeff, from the photos it appears that the new growth is coming from below the graft - on the rootstock?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JeffDM on December 02, 2013, 02:11:39 PM
Jeff, from the photos it appears that the new growth is coming from below the graft - on the rootstock?

Well, at least I didn't kill it when I cut it's top off to do the graft. :)
If the graft fails maybe the rootstock will still be around for a second attempt.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Cookie Monster on December 02, 2013, 08:36:21 PM
nah, I think your cado graft took. The new growth from the apical bud looks very encouraging.

Jeff, from the photos it appears that the new growth is coming from below the graft - on the rootstock?

Well, at least I didn't kill it when I cut it's top off to do the graft. :)
If the graft fails maybe the rootstock will still be around for a second attempt.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JeffDM on December 02, 2013, 08:44:07 PM
nah, I think your cado graft took. The new growth from the apical bud looks very encouraging.

Jeff, from the photos it appears that the new growth is coming from below the graft - on the rootstock?

Well, at least I didn't kill it when I cut it's top off to do the graft. :)
If the graft fails maybe the rootstock will still be around for a second attempt.
Thanks for the encouragement.
I'll post an update in a few days.
I'm keeping the two grafted plants in my little portable greenhouse and I'm getting ready to move it to a sunnier spot.  Just using the mister on my hose nozzle and trying to be careful not to over water.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: simon_grow on December 03, 2013, 04:52:21 PM
Hello everyone, I would greatly appreciate some advice on how to add additional rootstocks onto my Salathiel Lychee. Salathiels are supposed to be of excellent quality but they are extremely slow growers. My tree was recently acquired and the new growth that came out a couple weeks after I received the tree was very deformed and lots of the new growth started to shrivel up and die. I believe this tree may have previously been kept inside a greenhouse.

The tree was inside an approximately 15 gallon conventional container when I received it and I felt the container was too big so I decided to down pot it into a 7 gallon tall air prune container. When I took the plant out of the pot, the roots looked healthy but most the roots were in the upper half of the pot. After down potting this plant into the new container, I cut off the top 12 inches of the central leader.

I planted about 10 lychee seeds all around this Salathiel and hope to give it as many rootstocks as possible. The Salathiel has several very low branches that are young, green and very thin. I am not sure which branches to use, older or younger? I am also not sure what the best technique would be and also when the best time would be to graft them together? Are the lychee seedlings too young at this point? They are about as thick as a toothpick. The younger side branches on the Salathiel is starting to push new growth and this tree is indoors under artificial light.

Should I try to innarch several seedlings together and then innarch to the Salathiel? Should I make a long slanting cut on my seedlings and tuck the exposed cambium under the bark. Thanks,
Simon
(http://s30.postimg.cc/lxijpzjwt/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/lxijpzjwt/)
Title: First mango graft
Post by: TREESNMORE on December 14, 2013, 11:07:26 AM
My first graft to take of mangos it is a Mahaachanok budwood on a lemon meringue tree
(http://s27.postimg.cc/4a2fyqh3z/004.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4a2fyqh3z/)

(http://s29.postimg.cc/bdcm37z8z/005.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bdcm37z8z/)
Title: Re: First mango graft
Post by: dongeorgio on December 14, 2013, 11:28:25 AM
Congrats!  There is nothing quite like that feeling of seeing your first graft take.  I have had numerous grafting failures and very limited grafting successes but when they do succeed, I feel like Dr. Frankenstein making life from a patchwork of plants. 




"It's Alive!!!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos2MnVxe-c#)



Title: Re: First mango graft
Post by: TREESNMORE on December 14, 2013, 11:54:19 AM
I graft a lot with good success just not with mangos .So the nursery justs buys them  for resell. Now that we are doing cocktail trees. I have to do them myself
Title: Re: First mango graft
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 14, 2013, 12:03:48 PM
nice job!!

I too was surprised to see some mango grafts that took (being so late in the season, having already been exposed to temps below 45F
Title: Re: First mango graft
Post by: TREESNMORE on December 14, 2013, 12:09:35 PM
Yes Adam we will most likly do all the cocktail grafts in the summer when its hot
Title: Re: First mango graft
Post by: Cookie Monster on December 14, 2013, 12:17:51 PM
mango grafts can succeed this time of year. In fact, I found that it's a great time of year to do mango budding. The major issue that you have to contend with is the fact that the scions will likely not grow. They will simply bond cambium to cambium. So, if you leave a situation where the rootstock can decide to self-prune the section that you've grafted onto, then you're out of luck. So, you can do various things like leaving partial leaves on your scion, grafting below the top most set of leaves on the rootstock, etc in an effort to signal to the rootstock that it shouldn't be self-pruning the spot where your scion is. Or, you could just utilize a green house :-).
Title: Re: First mango graft
Post by: MangoFang on December 14, 2013, 01:33:46 PM
Nice going, Mike!  I too did not know that grafts could take in the wintertime!
Not sure they would in SoCal - maybe just too cold at night and not warm
enough during the day, but who knows????

Any reports from the L.A. area?


Gary
Title: Re: First mango graft
Post by: Californiatropicals on December 14, 2013, 01:49:58 PM
Congrats! I look forward to doing some mango grafting in the summer.. I want to improve my technique! :D -- My first graft in 2012.   I must have successfully grafted at least 10 or more trees by now maybe even closer to 15.. BUT  zero success with avocado! I'm guessing mango is going to be similar to avocado, given the green wood.. Needs more finesse
Title: Re: First mango graft
Post by: wslau on December 14, 2013, 03:02:27 PM
Congratulations on your first successful mango graft!
I myself am still waiting for my first successful graft...but looks like I have a chance with my winter Ewais mango graft.

Warren
Title: Re: First mango graft
Post by: emegar on December 14, 2013, 06:17:00 PM
Nice going, Mike!  I too did not know that grafts could take in the wintertime!
Not sure they would in SoCal - maybe just too cold at night and not warm
enough during the day, but who knows????

Any reports from the L.A. area?


Gary

Gary,

I actually just attempted some grafts today on a mango, a carambola, and a lychee, all of which are in pots in my greenhouse. I'll post some pictures if and when they push new growth.
Title: Re: First mango graft
Post by: AnnonAddict on December 14, 2013, 06:44:04 PM
My first graft to take of mangos it is a Mahaachanok budwood on a lemon meringue tree
(http://s27.postimg.cc/4a2fyqh3z/004.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4a2fyqh3z/)

(http://s29.postimg.cc/bdcm37z8z/005.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bdcm37z8z/)
Wow! Great job, I have never gotten a graft to take, I usually use whip and tongue or cleft, I wrap it tightly with saran wrap and then put wax over it.
Title: Re: First mango graft
Post by: jcbk101 on December 15, 2013, 09:37:15 AM
Congrats on your graft. And thank you for starting this thread because i have a question about my graft that i hope you all can assist me with. Awhile back i made a veneer graft on an existing tree that took. It is a NDM onto my unknown tree. The graft pushed once. I didn't cut the main shoot because i read that I should let it push again before terminated the priginal shoot. Well, the tree is reading itself to fruit and now the original shoot is pushing the flowers. Did I lose my graft because of this? If so, should I wait until after fruiting to try the graft again? Thanks for any help. BYW, the graft still looks good and NOT dried out,
Title: Re: First mango graft
Post by: wslau on December 15, 2013, 04:56:15 PM
Congrats on your graft. And thank you for starting this thread because i have a question about my graft that i hope you all can assist me with. Awhile back i made a veneer graft on an existing tree that took. It is a NDM onto my unknown tree. The graft pushed once. I didn't cut the main shoot because i read that I should let it push again before terminated the priginal shoot. Well, the tree is reading itself to fruit and now the original shoot is pushing the flowers. Did I lose my graft because of this? If so, should I wait until after fruiting to try the graft again? Thanks for any help. BYW, the graft still looks good and NOT dried out,


jcbk101,
From what you describe, the graft should be okay...this is what I have read too.  However, I've interpreted (from literature) that you can prune off just the flower portion of the original shoot to redirect the tree's energy to encourage a 2nd growth flush on the graft shoot.  Then, once the second growth flush appears on the graft, then you can terminate the original shoot.
Hope this helps.
Warren
Title: Re: First mango graft
Post by: dongeorgio on December 15, 2013, 05:14:13 PM
I did some mango grafts a couple of weeks ago and was shocked to see at least 3 pushing already.  To be fair, 2 of the 3 were done by Sheehan but I was still impressed with the success rate at this stage of the year. 
Title: Re: First mango graft
Post by: Cookie Monster on December 15, 2013, 08:37:37 PM
dongeorgio - If they're pushing that early (after only a couple of weeks), then it may not mean that they've taken. During the blazing heat of summer, grafts will push (and continue growing) after a mere two weeks if you have a good graft (healthy greenish rootstock and healthy scion). But this time of year, the rate of growth is quite a bit slower, and early pushers will oftentimes stop growing shortly after piercing the parafilm. If your grafts are in a greenhouse or you used the plastic bag and partial leaf technique, then chances are good that it will continue to grow. Otherwise, you don't really want to see any growth until about the 4 week mark this time of year -- if any.  Usually when I graft this time of year, the goal is to just get cambium to bind and not grow until spring, at which time the scion will shoot out like a racehorse.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: nch on December 16, 2013, 12:06:22 PM
It's getting close to Annona grafting time. It has been about 2 years since this thread started, could you, experienced grafters, share with newbies what you have changed in your technique, or material used to achieve better success in the last 2 years, please? I have read posts by some of you on GW, as early as 2010, but would like to hear from you what you your grafting technique now, and what time is best for what type of fruit trees, especially Cherimoyas, Atemoyas, Lychees, and Mangoes.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: jcaldeira on December 16, 2013, 01:25:16 PM
I now use a stronger tape when cleft and bark-grafting mangos.  I had been using Parafilm, but find that my mango grafts do better when provided with a tighter wrap.  Parafilm is great on citrus, but a tighter wrap can be achieved with other resilient plastic tapes.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: nch on December 17, 2013, 12:52:11 AM
Thanks for the tip, John.
Title: My first graft :)
Post by: Zafra on January 15, 2014, 10:58:22 AM
Hi everyone! This was my very first graft attempt. I screwed it up so bad I ended up having to discard the first scion because I'd butchered it, and then what was supposed to be a veneer graft turned into... what you see here. But it seems, against all possible odds and logic, to have taken!
The first pic is on the 12th, unwrapped so you can more or less see the connection which is wrapped with teflon tape. The second is today to show the leafing out, but I didn't bother unwrapping the plastic.

(http://s29.postimg.cc/tdwf8xsfn/first_graft_1_12_14.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tdwf8xsfn/)

(http://s29.postimg.cc/xyilnvc4z/first_graft_1_15_14.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/xyilnvc4z/)

So my question is, when does one take off the plastic, and when can I move it out of its sheltered spot, and when might I have to worry about the tightness of the teflon?
Thanks for all the help and encouragement - I'm so excited!  :D
Title: Re: My first graft :)
Post by: jcaldeira on January 15, 2014, 02:15:12 PM
. . . So my question is, when does one take off the plastic, and when can I move it out of its sheltered spot, and when might I have to worry about the tightness of the teflon?. . .

If regular kitchen wrap is used, I wrap it tightly and leave it on for months.  The new growths breaks through it.  If wrapped only one layer think over the buds, the shoots have no problem breaking through.  It can be removed months later if you wish, but usually not necessary unless there are moisture/mold problem underneath.  Now that you've unwrapped it, you really don't have much choice.

Also, it seems from the first photo that the grafting tape (the white tape) did not go all the way up over the top of graft. Success will be better if the grafting tape completely covers all cut parts, so moisture loss is reduced and nothing can penetrate.  In essence, the tape temporarily heals the entire wound in addition to holding pieces tightly together. 

It should be okay to move your graft now into filtered sunlight; under shadecloth or a leafy tree.

John 
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Zafra on January 15, 2014, 03:27:55 PM
Jeesh - and here I am thinking the new growth will be totally frustrated by plastic and the thing will die! Ok, next time I'll leave the wrapping. Should I bag it maybe?
It's funny, here there's an older guy who does a lot of grafting and he was giving me advice - it pretty much clashed with everything I've learned here: put it so the morning sun hits the graft, don't wrap it or it will cook in the plastic, etc. I think a lot of his successes are luck based and not really due to any concrete understanding of grafting, so I'm inclined to follow the guidance I've gotten here instead. Although that's a bit awkward sometimes - how to not tell him that I think he might not know what he's talking about  :P. Anyway thanks John for the words of wisdom. Hopefully this one will make it despite my clumsiness!
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: jcaldeira on January 15, 2014, 05:41:58 PM
If you're in a high humidity area it's probably okay not to bag it.  If a dry area, bag it to create high humidity but allow some air flow to avoid mold.  I do recommend that the graft be kept protected from full sun to avoid it drying out.  Filtered sunlight, no more than 30% or so, would be best. The graft still has a lot of healing to do.   
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: AnnonAddict on February 08, 2014, 11:32:09 PM
Hi all,

Today I looked on my front porch and noticed some apples that I grafted about a month back... I took the tape off and they seem to have taken! This is my first ever successful graft(s) out of about fifty attempts. Both grafts were a modified cleft graft... they were shifted over to one side. I remember Adam posting about using this method for grafting Annona salzmannii so I thought I'd give it a shot. I grafted "Granny Smith" and "Pink Lady" onto an unknown rootstock. I had some other co-conspirators when grafting this time too that seemed to help a bunch... non flavored/not scented waxed dental floss and plain ol' surfboard wax. The surfboard wax covered the whole graft union and the scion, to make sure it was air tight and below the wax was the dental floss. Very excited about this, I can't wait to try grafting with different techniques other than cleft! I seem to have a mango graft that is pushing growth so if that is successful I will be extremely happy. Pics below...

Heres the mango graft:
(http://s21.postimg.cc/vhkbcts2b/Screen_shot_2014_02_08_at_8_28_45_PM.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vhkbcts2b/)
Granny Smith Apple graft:
(http://s21.postimg.cc/mp7y2vwb7/Screen_shot_2014_02_08_at_8_29_11_PM.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/mp7y2vwb7/)
Pink Lady Apple graft:
(http://s21.postimg.cc/488xybqz7/Screen_shot_2014_02_08_at_8_29_23_PM.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/488xybqz7/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: MangoFang on February 09, 2014, 12:32:10 AM
Way to go, Annon and Zafra!!!!!!!

My grafting average stinks, so I'm always impressed when anyone gets one
to work....


Gary
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Post by: fyliu on February 09, 2014, 12:34:24 AM
Jack, if you leave the tape on, it would help the scion while it branches out. Sometimes the new growth gets heavy enough to dislodge the graft union. It's safer to wait longer. I've been taking scions and taking off tape I left on last year.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: JF on February 12, 2014, 12:17:14 AM
I've been working on this Manila rootstock since June 2013 and they are pushing new growth right now. So far I have 8 varieties:
Mahachanok1, Maha Chanok2, PSM,Flush,LZ,Glenn,Paulito and 4 Manohar, one has taken,

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_7222.jpg)
Title: First successful graft?
Post by: wslau on March 13, 2014, 11:22:25 PM
I think I may have had my first successful graft take.
(http://s29.postimg.cc/fo8euc54j/lapins_cherry_graft.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fo8euc54j/)
Lapins cherry graft (cleft) onto a Royal Lee cherry tree.


Supposedly Lapins is self-pollinating.  Of course, I have a Minnie Royal cherry tree nearby to pollinate the Royal Lee. 

On this Lapins cherry graft, I used parafilm M to cover the scion and I used simple grafting tape with nursery tie wrap to secure the scion.  I then covered the scion with a paper bag and secured it.  It's been about 5-6 weeks since it was grafted.

Unfortunately, I have not had the same luck with my mango grafts...but I have a few spring mango experiments in the works using parafilm M and buddy tape.  Crossing my fingers for a first successful mango graft!



Title: Re: First successful graft?
Post by: LEOOEL on March 13, 2014, 11:36:26 PM
That looks like a very nice graft, very inspiring, congrats.
Title: Re: First successful graft?
Post by: Rtreid on March 14, 2014, 12:23:49 AM
Wslau,

Very nice! It is always a good feeling to see a graft take.

One question,  do you think you have enough chill hours for the Lapins to produce fruit? I would like to add something to my Minnie Royal/Royal Lee tree but I did not think anything else would produce in coastal southern CA.

Richard
Title: Re: First successful graft?
Post by: wslau on March 14, 2014, 12:33:03 AM
One question,  do you think you have enough chill hours for the Lapins to produce fruit? I would like to add something to my Minnie Royal/Royal Lee tree but I did not think anything else would produce in coastal southern CA.

Richard

Richard,
Dave Wilson's Nursery says Lapins and Stella have an estimated chill requirement of 400 or fewer hours below 45°F.  Those are the next lowest chill numbers behind Minnie Royal and Royal Lee.
It will definitely be a challenge to get Lapins fruit in my zone 10b.  You may have a little better luck being in zone 10a.  I experimented with this variety only because Lapins scions were made available at the Foothill CRFG scion exchange in February.
I wish I knew who brought the Lapins scions...I would have asked him/her how well they actually do in SoCal.

Warren
Title: Re: First successful graft?
Post by: nch on March 14, 2014, 12:57:26 AM
Congrats, Warren. The graft looks perfect.
Title: Re: First successful graft?
Post by: simon_grow on March 14, 2014, 12:43:13 PM
Congrats, I recently added Stella onto my friends Minnie Royal and they also took. For Mangos, I've had the best luck when the scions are very well budded and when I graft immediately. Let us know if you get any cherries!
Simon
Title: Re: First successful graft?
Post by: ClayMango on March 14, 2014, 11:24:42 PM
guys I have 12 ft nice sized cherry tree that was planted before I bought the house last year. Is there anyone to tell is its self pollinating? I have no clue on what variety It is.
Title: Re: First successful graft?
Post by: wslau on March 15, 2014, 12:00:39 AM
guys I have 12 ft nice sized cherry tree that was planted before I bought the house last year. Is there anyone to tell is its self pollinating? I have no clue on what variety It is.

Clay,

I'm thinking that the only thing you can do right now is to wait and see if it fruits this year...if it does, then it is self-fertile.  There are several varieties on Dave Wilson's Nursery website that are identified as self-fertile.  It might be kind of tough to guess the variety though without seeing or tasting the fruit.  At 12 feet tall though, you definitely do NOT have a tree on Zaiger dwarfing 3CR178 rootstock.
btw...  isn't your tree spouting flowers right now?  Mine are flowering and fruiting now.
Title: Re: First successful graft?
Post by: ClayMango on March 15, 2014, 11:22:47 AM
Warren It started flowering in the Middle of our Funky Winter...Then 1 week a little cold and killed most of the Blossoms....then about 3 weeks ago started another Flush of Flowers and its still going, but The leaves are trickling in now... I really hope I get lots of cherries from this thing...The tree is Huge!
Title: Re: First successful graft?
Post by: MangoFang on March 15, 2014, 05:30:20 PM
congrats warren - but i'll REALLY be impressed by your first mango graft.
MANgo graft means you can call yourself a MAN in the grafting world...

 ;D

Gary
Title: Re: First successful graft?
Post by: kh0110 on March 15, 2014, 08:05:19 PM
congrats warren - but i'll REALLY be impressed by your first mango graft.
MANgo graft means you can call yourself a MAN in the grafting world...

 ;D

Gary

I thought the pedestal goes to the litchi grafters?  :)
Title: Re: First successful graft?
Post by: ClayMango on March 18, 2014, 01:39:13 PM
guys I have 12 ft nice sized cherry tree that was planted before I bought the house last year. Is there anyone to tell is its self pollinating? I have no clue on what variety It is.

Clay,

I'm thinking that the only thing you can do right now is to wait and see if it fruits this year...if it does, then it is self-fertile.  There are several varieties on Dave Wilson's Nursery website that are identified as self-fertile.  It might be kind of tough to guess the variety though without seeing or tasting the fruit.  At 12 feet tall though, you definitely do NOT have a tree on Zaiger dwarfing 3CR178 rootstock.
btw...  isn't your tree spouting flowers right now?  Mine are flowering and fruiting now.

WARREN!!! It maybe too soon to tell...But I spotted some bulbs coming out of the dead blossoms!!!!some with an extremely thin stim sticking out its bottom...which was weird...I'll update pics this weekend...Hopefully you guys can confirm that I didnt inherit a 13 ft Cherry tree that isnt self fertile when i bought this house lol.
Title: Re: First successful graft?
Post by: socal10b on March 18, 2014, 02:19:53 PM
that looks really helthy graft to me. Good job warren and now try it on mango hehe.
Title: Re: First successful graft?
Post by: wslau on March 18, 2014, 03:29:46 PM
guys I have 12 ft nice sized cherry tree that was planted before I bought the house last year. Is there anyone to tell is its self pollinating? I have no clue on what variety It is.

Clay,

I'm thinking that the only thing you can do right now is to wait and see if it fruits this year...if it does, then it is self-fertile.  There are several varieties on Dave Wilson's Nursery website that are identified as self-fertile.  It might be kind of tough to guess the variety though without seeing or tasting the fruit.  At 12 feet tall though, you definitely do NOT have a tree on Zaiger dwarfing 3CR178 rootstock.
btw...  isn't your tree spouting flowers right now?  Mine are flowering and fruiting now.

WARREN!!! It maybe too soon to tell...But I spotted some bulbs coming out of the dead blossoms!!!!some with an extremely thin stim sticking out its bottom...which was weird...I'll update pics this weekend...Hopefully you guys can confirm that I didnt inherit a 13 ft Cherry tree that isnt self fertile when i bought this house lol.

Clay,
I spoke too soon.  I went to check out all my cherries and all have shriveled up with the recent heat wave.  But more flowers are coming out...so hopefully I'll get a second chance.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: mikesid on May 02, 2014, 06:15:02 PM
here are my grafting latest success stories with mango:
'Taralay' starting to push…this was dormant but it was all i could get…i think its gonna stick around.
(http://s30.postimg.cc/711bqs5od/IMG_0826.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/711bqs5od/)

i saved the last of my rootstock for 'Providence'..I want to  plant one at the fire station..the rest are up for trade..4 out of 5 took.

(http://s29.postimg.cc/uq8w3n1fn/IMG_0830.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/uq8w3n1fn/)

(http://s29.postimg.cc/e17g7q4ub/IMG_0831.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/e17g7q4ub/)


(http://s13.postimg.cc/olmmljf1v/IMG_0833.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/olmmljf1v/)

(http://s13.postimg.cc/fckgbf65v/IMG_0834.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fckgbf65v/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: MangCau on May 13, 2014, 10:04:59 PM
Florida Annona reticulata on cherimoya rootstock.

Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Bob407 on August 07, 2014, 07:28:44 PM

(http://s25.postimage.org/sx4gok3a3/IMG_20140807_143902.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/sx4gok3a3/)

I grafted  trunciflora, red hybrid and Grimal onto a Sabara. I hope this one does as well as the others I did this past spring.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Bob407 on August 20, 2014, 12:36:46 AM
A few pics of some veneer cuts

(http://s25.postimg.cc/52wwobe6z/IMG_20140818_100756.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/52wwobe6z/)

(http://s25.postimg.cc/lt8adncm3/IMG_20140818_094028.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/lt8adncm3/)

(http://s25.postimg.cc/tkp0c7grf/IMG_20140818_105255.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tkp0c7grf/)

(http://s25.postimg.cc/p1crqoyvv/IMG_20140818_104415.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/p1crqoyvv/)

Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: MangoFang on August 20, 2014, 01:33:55 PM
Nice job Bob!

May I ask the group a question?  It appears to me that a veneer graft is very similar
to what might be called a bark graft if done on a larger tree.... and in regards to a bark graft, as one peels away the bark is the cambium layer stuck on the peeled back bark or does it reside around the outside edge of the trunk's "core" if you will.....and if that is the case, the scion only needs one side sliced to expose the cambium and wedged with that side inward as it is pushed into the space between bark and tree,  yes?


thanks, gary
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Guanabanus on August 20, 2014, 10:29:01 PM
Pushing the wedge in can easily bruise the tender cambium layer.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: MangoFang on August 21, 2014, 05:25:48 PM
Thanks, Har....so....how do you get the scion in between the bark and trunk?

Gary
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Bob407 on August 21, 2014, 09:49:58 PM
I grafted this Grimal log onto my Sabara today. I have no idea if it can take or was an exercise in futility. Has any one had any takes on Jabo wood this size or bigger? I am just curious what my chances are.

(http://s25.postimg.cc/figv2gfiz/IMG_20140821_173231.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/figv2gfiz/)

(http://s25.postimg.cc/fxs4vh1gb/IMG_20140821_191011.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fxs4vh1gb/)

(http://s25.postimg.cc/eu80jigt7/IMG_20140821_191127.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/eu80jigt7/)

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Post by: Guanabanus on August 21, 2014, 10:55:39 PM
Tug on bark with knife or fingers to open more space while sliding in the graftwood.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: MangoFang on August 21, 2014, 11:00:37 PM
THanks Har, and one last bark grafting question - is the cambium layer attached to the bark when
you separate it from the trunk, or is it attached to the outer layer of the trunk part.


Gary
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Guanabanus on August 22, 2014, 09:06:49 AM
I'm not sure that it is consistent.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Bob407 on September 08, 2014, 11:22:56 AM
This Ilama sprig is pushing. I hope it goes the distance.

(http://s25.postimg.cc/3uf1w1ezf/IMG_20140818_104852.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3uf1w1ezf/)

(http://s25.postimg.cc/aywv52m8r/IMG_20140818_105255.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aywv52m8r/)

(http://s25.postimg.cc/j1v1ge6u3/IMG_20140908_103542.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/j1v1ge6u3/)
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on September 08, 2014, 07:38:09 PM
why u gotta graft so much bro?  >:(
u need to slow down and wait for spring...
don't be trying to out graft me  :P

just joshing...looking good...I'ma call u "Annona Alchemist"

This Ilama sprig is pushing. I hope it goes the distance.

(http://s25.postimg.cc/3uf1w1ezf/IMG_20140818_104852.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3uf1w1ezf/)

(http://s25.postimg.cc/aywv52m8r/IMG_20140818_105255.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aywv52m8r/)

(http://s25.postimg.cc/j1v1ge6u3/IMG_20140908_103542.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/j1v1ge6u3/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Bob407 on September 11, 2014, 09:41:26 AM
 47-18 veneer on reticulata.

(http://s25.postimg.cc/i2ojdbcij/IMG_20140910_165433.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/i2ojdbcij/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Bob407 on November 04, 2014, 03:45:08 PM
 Ilama sprig grafted onto glabra is doing well despite sitting outside during the recent cold spell.

(http://s25.postimg.cc/8lqx7a4rf/IMG_20141104_152055.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8lqx7a4rf/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: davidgarcia899 on November 04, 2014, 05:20:03 PM
You got ilama onto glabra? Im gonna try that this weekend.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 04, 2014, 06:20:34 PM
nice work  8)
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Post by: socal10b on November 04, 2014, 06:54:09 PM
good job bob, is it still a good time to graft annona?
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Post by: behlgarden on November 04, 2014, 06:59:43 PM
In So Cal, grafting time is over Unless you got a greenhouse and maintain temps over 70 degrees at all times.
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Post by: davidgarcia899 on November 04, 2014, 07:12:53 PM
This Ilama sprig is pushing. I hope it goes the distance.

(http://s25.postimg.cc/3uf1w1ezf/IMG_20140818_104852.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3uf1w1ezf/)

(http://s25.postimg.cc/aywv52m8r/IMG_20140818_105255.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aywv52m8r/)

(http://s25.postimg.cc/j1v1ge6u3/IMG_20140908_103542.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/j1v1ge6u3/)


How do we feel about moisture in the tape like in picture number 3. I always thought that was bad and would be wrap those, am I doing more damage than good?
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Post by: socal10b on November 04, 2014, 08:20:36 PM
In So Cal, grafting time is over Unless you got a greenhouse and maintain temps over 70 degrees at all times.

Thanks Behl. My last graft of honeyhart failed shortly after it popped parafilm, probably killed by that heatwave we had.
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Post by: Bob407 on November 04, 2014, 09:00:09 PM
good job bob, is it still a good time to graft annona?

Yeah, it totally depends on your set up. I am fairly haphazard and graft at any time. It also depends on when scion material becomes available. I grafted the A. Bullata despite bad timing. I would rather try and fail than wonder what if......
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Post by: Bob407 on November 04, 2014, 09:03:11 PM
This Ilama sprig is pushing. I hope it goes the distance.

(http://s25.postimg.cc/3uf1w1ezf/IMG_20140818_104852.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3uf1w1ezf/)

(http://s25.postimg.cc/aywv52m8r/IMG_20140818_105255.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aywv52m8r/)

(http://s25.postimg.cc/j1v1ge6u3/IMG_20140908_103542.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/j1v1ge6u3/)

The other graft I did onto glabra had the condensation on the interior of the tape so I pierced the tape to air it out. The graft failed shortly there after.


How do we feel about moisture in the tape like in picture number 3. I always thought that was bad and would be wrap those, am I doing more damage than good?
Title: Mango Graft
Post by: Ryansbrooks1991 on January 19, 2015, 02:03:24 PM
So I am wondering why my grafts keep drying after they break through should I cover them with bags to keep them more humid get some kind of misting fan.. any ideas to make this a more successful grafting area? It is located in a shade house.

(http://s18.postimg.cc/pb4ryb1wl/20150118_120055.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/pb4ryb1wl/)

(http://s18.postimg.cc/t6860vl2d/20150118_120121.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/t6860vl2d/)

(http://s18.postimg.cc/z9pqksbc5/20150118_120136.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/z9pqksbc5/)

(http://s18.postimg.cc/hxpdzchut/20150118_120231.jpg)[/u (http://postimg.cc/image/hxpdzchut/)
Title: Re: Mango Graft
Post by: Ryansbrooks1991 on January 19, 2015, 02:06:07 PM
also do i keep the leaves wet, stop new growth from happening on the rootstock or do I not worry about it and let it grow? I usually break off new branches that grow is that a problem.. they grow super fast bust out of the grafting tape and die about 1-2 weeks after low % of success because of the drying after busting through the tape.
Title: Re: Mango Graft
Post by: Patrick on January 19, 2015, 03:06:59 PM
If the growth flushes out of the scion within the first three weeks chances are its just energy from the scion itself. 
Title: Re: Mango Graft
Post by: Ryansbrooks1991 on January 19, 2015, 03:26:10 PM
so what should I do from preventing the scion having so much energy, are the specialized bags to put over the top to keep it humid inside the whole plant/tree including the container?
Title: Re: Mango Graft
Post by: jcaldeira on January 19, 2015, 03:29:58 PM
I sometimes have the same thing happen.  Don't give up hope, though, because sometimes the side buds will burst out a month later.

As Patrick suggests, it's probably that the scion's tip had already 'decided' to grow before being grafted.  It grew, then ran out of steam.  Perhaps the bud was a little too developed when grafted.

Also, the rootstock, as well as the scion, should be in a growth flush when grafting for best success.  This can be promoted by watering with RAIN water.

My one criticism of most grafting books, including Garner's handbook, is that they don't emphasize the importance of the plants' growth condition.   Cambium contact is only half of success - timing is almost as important.  The rootstock shouldn't be in a dormant state when grafting.   

Title: Re: Mango Graft
Post by: bangkok on January 19, 2015, 04:24:37 PM
I have the same problem, very frustrating. I guess it is a fungus because the original sprouts from my tree also get black and die.

Yes the tree has to be in growing mode to have success but some scions seem to have no problem at all, i have scions from Maya who suffer from black leaves after growing for some weeks and other Maya scions who grow very well with 5 outcoming healthy sprouts.

Maybe also the variety of the scion makes a difference?
Title: Re: Mango Graft
Post by: Ryansbrooks1991 on January 19, 2015, 04:28:44 PM
the rootstock is about 3 months avg old give or take a month on each rootstock, but what do you mean they should not be dormant? also The black fungus might be anthracnose Bangkok look into that. also are you referring to cleft grafts or veneer grafts.. because the new growth gets cut away for clefts anyways so new growth starts to grow underneath the scion on the rootstock. for the veneer grafts I could see how u need the rootstock to not be dormant.. im not sure I could see it being a little too developed I just thought the pimple or whatever should be swollen in order to take a scion.
Title: Re: Mango Graft
Post by: bangkok on January 19, 2015, 04:58:44 PM
the rootstock is about 3 months avg old give or take a month on each rootstock, but what do you mean they should not be dormant? also The black fungus might be anthracnose Bangkok look into that. also are you referring to cleft grafts or veneer grafts.. because the new growth gets cut away for clefts anyways so new growth starts to grow underneath the scion on the rootstock. for the veneer grafts I could see how u need the rootstock to not be dormant.. im not sure I could see it being a little too developed I just thought the pimple or whatever should be swollen in order to take a scion.

I am topworking a mature tree which i pruned drastically. The new sprouts on other branches also get black, i don't cut those away. Yes i also cut all new sprouts growing near my scions. I never had success with veneer grafts on mango, only with approach grafting and then tree's have to be in growing mode to get success.

Anthracnose is a real problem for young leaves and flowerbuds . Spraying doesn't help much and we even don't have high humidity or rain.
Title: Re: Mango Graft
Post by: Ryansbrooks1991 on January 19, 2015, 05:37:59 PM
Yes the problem is not just you its your surrounding area too. So you could bathe your tree but a neighboring tree probably has it, so in no time you'd be infected again
Title: Re: Mango Graft
Post by: bangkok on January 19, 2015, 05:59:00 PM
Yes the problem is not just you its your surrounding area too. So you could bathe your tree but a neighboring tree probably has it, so in no time you'd be infected again

Yup, also spraying is not my hobby.

The good thing about this die-back can be that scions develop more buds which might sprout later. As long as they are still alive there's a good chance of that happening. The record for me is 5 sprouting buds on a Maya-scion which  suffered from die-back first. It grows very well now but lost 1 new branch.
Title: Re: Mango Graft
Post by: jcaldeira on January 19, 2015, 06:14:26 PM
the rootstock is about 3 months avg old give or take a month on each rootstock, but what do you mean they should not be dormant? . .

The seedling rootstock will go through periods of growth and periods where there is no visible growth.  My grafting success is best when the rootstock itself either has swollen buds or visible new growth (as well as swollen buds on the scion).  In the sub-tropics this is probably more predictable than in the tropics. 

In my area, the best time to graft seems to be after the dry season, a week or so after the first good rains.  Everything starts to push new growth then and it's hard to mess up a graft.
Title: Re: Mango Graft
Post by: MangoFang on January 19, 2015, 06:36:13 PM
John - you are SO right.  Timing for grafting (besides the cambian matchup) out here in the desert southwest is best either as the climate starts to cool off or warm up.  In between it's a bust.  I finally learned that this last year.  I had the most grafts take in mid-November and even though they are just holding steady now in the cooler winter months, they do look healthy...and ready to continue their march to greatness....

Gary
Title: Re: Mango Graft
Post by: bsbullie on January 19, 2015, 08:44:27 PM
There many conditions that affect the success of the traft.  Age of budwood harvested and stage of buds of the budwood,  matching cambium,  flow within the rootstock,  temperature,  time of day you actually perform the graft...oh, and along with skill and all of the aforementioned,  there is always a little luck involved.
Title: Re: Mango Graft
Post by: JF on January 19, 2015, 09:03:33 PM
For Socal timing is the key. For early mango grafts the last week of January and  the month of July to the last two weeks of August......assuming you are an experience grafter. Gary has a different situation in Palm Springs but for the LA basin and San Diego this is the perfect week.
Title: Re: Mango Graft
Post by: murahilin on January 20, 2015, 10:45:51 AM
So I am wondering why my grafts keep drying after they break through should I cover them with bags to keep them more humid get some kind of misting fan.. any ideas to make this a more successful grafting area? It is located in a shade house.

No need to cover them with a bad if you're wrapping them with parafilm or buddy tape. The main problem I see is that your rootstock is growing. Once the rootstock starts to grow below the new graft, it will often kill the graft if it is has begun to "take." The fact that the rootstock is pushing could also mean that the graft did not take to begin with.

I would suggest you don't wrap it so heavily as well.

Also, please read through the entire thread that I just merged this into.
Title: Re: Mango Graft
Post by: marklee on January 20, 2015, 06:20:09 PM
For Socal timing is the key. For early mango grafts the last week of January and  the month of July to the last two weeks of August......assuming you are an experience grafter. Gary has a different situation in Palm Springs but for the LA basin and San Diego this is the perfect week.
Frank, I just grafted up a few mangos this last week and week and the buds are pushing nicely. As long as it is above 60 degrees things should work out.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FrankDrebinOfFruits on February 04, 2015, 07:04:45 PM
I have been having lousy success grafting longans. I have about 15 in ground root stocks that I want to graft. So far after about 10 grafts not one has taken. I am using cleft and top wedge. I have had very good success with avo and mango, but longan is proving to the most challenging.

Anyone have any tips. I am thinking of shading them with a paper bag or make a bag of of punctured wax paper to see if it helps with the graft. Going to do another 10 or so grafts today and tomorrow.

Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: marklee on February 04, 2015, 07:35:50 PM
I have been having lousy success grafting longans. I have about 15 in ground root stocks that I want to graft. So far after about 10 grafts not one has taken. I am using cleft and top wedge. I have had very good success with avo and mango, but longan is proving to the most challenging.

Anyone have any tips. I am thinking of shading them with a paper bag or make a bag of of punctured wax paper to see if it helps with the graft. Going to do another 10 or so grafts today and tomorrow.
Tough to graft Longan, better to air layer a few.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Jsvand5 on February 04, 2015, 08:36:52 PM
I have been having lousy success grafting longans. I have about 15 in ground root stocks that I want to graft. So far after about 10 grafts not one has taken. I am using cleft and top wedge. I have had very good success with avo and mango, but longan is proving to the most challenging.

Anyone have any tips. I am thinking of shading them with a paper bag or make a bag of of punctured wax paper to see if it helps with the graft. Going to do another 10 or so grafts today and tomorrow.

Found this. Pics aren't very helpful though.
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/5818675/highly-successful-wedge-grafting-for-rambutan-lychee-longan (https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/5818675/highly-successful-wedge-grafting-for-rambutan-lychee-longan)

Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: xshen on February 04, 2015, 09:16:08 PM
I have been having lousy success grafting longans. I have about 15 in ground root stocks that I want to graft. So far after about 10 grafts not one has taken. I am using cleft and top wedge. I have had very good success with avo and mango, but longan is proving to the most challenging.

Anyone have any tips. I am thinking of shading them with a paper bag or make a bag of of punctured wax paper to see if it helps with the graft. Going to do another 10 or so grafts today and tomorrow.

I like to do whip grafts for longans.  Looks better after it's healed and you get better control of cambium match up by making small incremental cuts.

These were done in mid winter before the frost.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8614/16259080348_fb07e64581_b.jpg)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7445/16259341600_df662138e9_b.jpg)

This was grafted at the same time as the one above but there were some die back after the frost.  This is the second flush after the initial growth died. The graft was out in the open with no protection from the nearby foliage.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7407/16259083618_87e835900c_b.jpg)


 
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FrankDrebinOfFruits on February 05, 2015, 01:06:23 AM
I have been having lousy success grafting longans. I have about 15 in ground root stocks that I want to graft. So far after about 10 grafts not one has taken. I am using cleft and top wedge. I have had very good success with avo and mango, but longan is proving to the most challenging.

Anyone have any tips. I am thinking of shading them with a paper bag or make a bag of of punctured wax paper to see if it helps with the graft. Going to do another 10 or so grafts today and tomorrow.

I like to do whip grafts for longans.  Looks better after it's healed and you get better control of cambium match up by making small incremental cuts.

These were done in mid winter before the frost.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8614/16259080348_fb07e64581_b.jpg)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7445/16259341600_df662138e9_b.jpg)

This was grafted at the same time as the one above but there were some die back after the frost.  This is the second flush after the initial growth died. The graft was out in the open with no protection from the nearby foliage.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7407/16259083618_87e835900c_b.jpg)

Wow, those came out great! Alright, will try whip tomorrow. I haven't tried to cut a whip, but willing to try :)
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Post by: Guanabanus on February 05, 2015, 08:21:12 AM
Nice!
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Post by: Jsvand5 on February 05, 2015, 08:57:10 AM
Those are nice. For some reason I have never thought of doing a whip and tongue on tropicals. They work great on my stone fruits. Guess I'll have to give them a try.
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Post by: behlgarden on February 05, 2015, 11:33:50 AM
has anyone successfully grafted Lychees? can Lychees be grafted on Longan? I know this was discussed before but wanted to see if in last 12 months if things have changed
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Post by: ScottR on February 05, 2015, 11:57:04 AM
Very beautiful graft's Xshen thanks for posting. ;)
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Post by: Guanabanus on February 05, 2015, 11:06:22 PM
Lychees can be grafted on lychee seedlings that are healthy and juicy.
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Post by: Bob407 on February 11, 2015, 10:08:59 PM
I grafted this Grimal log onto my Sabara today. I have no idea if it can take or was an exercise in futility. Has any one had any takes on Jabo wood this size or bigger? I am just curious what my chances are.

(http://s25.postimg.cc/figv2gfiz/IMG_20140821_173231.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/figv2gfiz/)

(http://s25.postimg.cc/fxs4vh1gb/IMG_20140821_191011.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fxs4vh1gb/)

(http://s25.postimg.cc/eu80jigt7/IMG_20140821_191127.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/eu80jigt7/)

The bigger graft seemed to struggle for a bit but finally took. Only the white jabo scion failed on this cocktail tree. Now the wait to see which portion of the tree will fruit first.

(http://s25.postimg.cc/if9s3fonv/IMG_20150211_163934.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/if9s3fonv/)

(http://s25.postimg.cc/t3i4g0o0r/IMG_20150211_163953.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/t3i4g0o0r/)
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 30, 2015, 10:38:23 PM
how low can you go?

here is a mulberry cleft graft, where the union got dirty.
(http://s17.postimg.cc/lcujhnv7v/IMG_1606.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/lcujhnv7v/)

(http://s17.postimg.cc/vdzdqz8az/IMG_1607.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vdzdqz8az/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 30, 2015, 10:40:54 PM
Bob407

i just noticed that beefcake jaboticaba graft you did...that thing looks like the devil grafted it using a bolt of lightning for a knife!
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Post by: Bob407 on April 30, 2015, 11:34:21 PM
The jaboticaba wood is not very forgiving and I can see if you aren't steady with a knife you could really slice yourself. I used enough grafting tape that it looks like a cast.
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 30, 2015, 11:54:01 PM
the devil went down to Florida, he was looking for a scion to heal....

when he came across this young man sawing on a scion and grafting it hot,
and the devil jumped up on jaboticaba stump and said "boy let me tell you what....

I bet you didn't know it, but I'm a jabo grafter too,
and if you care to make a dare, I'll make a bet with you,
Now you graft a pretty good jabo boy, but give the devil his due,
I bet a jabo worth more than gold, against your soul,
cuz I think I'm better than you!"

 :P
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Post by: fisherking73 on May 01, 2015, 12:19:31 AM
the devil went down to Florida, he was looking for a scion to heal....

when he came across this young man sawing on a scion and grafting it hot,
and the devil jumped up on jaboticaba stump and said "boy let me tell you what....

I bet you didn't know it, but I'm a jabo grafter too,
and if you care to make a dare, I'll make a bet with you,
Now you graft a pretty good jabo boy, but give the devil his due,
I bet a jabo worth more than gold, against your soul,
cuz I think I'm better than you!"

 :P

BWAH!!!
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Post by: Mark in Texas on May 01, 2015, 08:55:37 AM
Great photos, funny stuff!  ;D
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Post by: behlgarden on May 01, 2015, 11:52:10 AM
how low can you go?

here is a mulberry cleft graft, where the union got dirty.
(http://s17.postimg.cc/lcujhnv7v/IMG_1606.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/lcujhnv7v/)

(http://s17.postimg.cc/vdzdqz8az/IMG_1607.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vdzdqz8az/)

wow, union below soil? would it rot as it grows?
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 01, 2015, 12:27:38 PM
maybe?  i guess something like a nurse graft, as described by MikeT.

i grafted the scion, onto a cutting that recently rooted...so it's like two cuttings really...I'm sure they could both put out roots.

I will eventually end up burying the graft union completely.

how low can you go?

here is a mulberry cleft graft, where the union got dirty.
(http://s17.postimg.cc/lcujhnv7v/IMG_1606.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/lcujhnv7v/)

(http://s17.postimg.cc/vdzdqz8az/IMG_1607.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vdzdqz8az/)

wow, union below soil? would it rot as it grows?
Title: I f**king did it!!!
Post by: Osito on September 05, 2015, 03:34:13 PM

(http://s30.postimg.cc/yj713rdst/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yj713rdst/)
A.p. On cherimoya seedling from this year!!!! First attempt at graftin Annona. Mango is still giving me trouble but this was easy!
Title: Re: I f**king did it!!!
Post by: Bhkkatemoya on September 05, 2015, 04:02:58 PM
Great job! Congrats man
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: buddyguygreen on September 11, 2015, 10:12:14 AM
Grafting my few Jackfruit trees in full sun, will paper bags be good enough over the grafts to protect from sun?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 11, 2015, 11:42:59 AM
Are you doing it with leaves on or leaves off?

With leaves off, it's a no brainer (as long as it's wrapped with parafilm or equivalent) and would probably be fine without any protection from sun (since water loss is not an issue and there is no enclosed air space to heat up).

With leaves on, it can work (it's worked for me for in-situ grafts), but could perhaps be a little better when things start to cool down a tad.

Grafting my few Jackfruit trees in full sun, will paper bags be good enough over the grafts to protect from sun?
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: buddyguygreen on September 11, 2015, 12:12:02 PM
Thanks for the info, the leaves are on. about 8 foot jackfruits, I wanted to do it now for the fact its growing almost a foot a month and i just gave them a hardy feeding so they are really taking off.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 11, 2015, 06:28:02 PM
Are the 8 foot tall jacks going to be the rootstock? If they're that tall and you graft high, you won't get production where jacks tend to produce (at the base).

I assume you're talking about leaving leaves on the scion (not the rootstock), right?

Thanks for the info, the leaves are on. about 8 foot jackfruits, I wanted to do it now for the fact its growing almost a foot a month and i just gave them a hardy feeding so they are really taking off.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: buddyguygreen on September 11, 2015, 08:32:19 PM
Are the 8 foot tall jacks going to be the rootstock? If they're that tall and you graft high, you won't get production where jacks tend to produce (at the base).

I assume you're talking about leaving leaves on the scion (not the rootstock), right?


i cut them down to 5 feet, the scions had no leaves. the rootstock being pretty much a tree has leaves on the branches i left and maybe 1 or 2 under the grafts.

I could use some pointers, this was my first time grafting and im covered in latex, man is grafting jackfruit messy. I made some nice cuts and grafts, 23 in all so i bet most will take.
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Post by: Cookie Monster on September 11, 2015, 11:50:43 PM
OK. Scions with no leaves can be in sun as long as they're wrapped with parafilm. But, covering them with a bag wouldn't be a bad idea.
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Post by: buddyguygreen on September 12, 2015, 04:04:33 AM
Alright thank you, making sure i have all bases covered.
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Post by: Osito on September 12, 2015, 12:00:39 PM

(http://s9.postimg.cc/83tef0mx7/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/83tef0mx7/)
Do I get rid of this shoot under the graft or do I need it to "control the sap"?
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Post by: merce3 on September 12, 2015, 12:05:41 PM
just cleft grafted some small citrus scions onto a few small plants with 4-5 branches each. do i cut all of the other branches off of the plants so they force energy into the grafts? also, can i put them in full sun? i have them wrapped in parafilm.
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Post by: buddyguygreen on September 12, 2015, 01:58:18 PM
Do i have to cover the jackfruit scions from the rain or will the buddy tape be enough
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Post by: Cookie Monster on September 12, 2015, 02:13:13 PM
Buddy tape should be fine. Sometimes parafilm will crack, so it could be wise to check on them every few days.

Do i have to cover the jackfruit scions from the rain or will the buddy tape be enough
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 12, 2015, 02:14:18 PM
I would nix it.


(http://s9.postimg.cc/83tef0mx7/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/83tef0mx7/)
Do I get rid of this shoot under the graft or do I need it to "control the sap"?
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Post by: Osito on September 12, 2015, 02:29:17 PM
Thank you
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Post by: kh0110 on September 12, 2015, 10:48:14 PM
I would nix it.


(http://s9.postimg.cc/83tef0mx7/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/83tef0mx7/)
Do I get rid of this shoot under the graft or do I need it to "control the sap"?

I agree. This graft is a success, it has pushed at least 4 times already. There is no more need for a nurse limb.

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Post by: Jbird12345 on September 13, 2015, 08:55:20 AM
(http://s27.postimg.cc/qfi5x468v/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qfi5x468v/)
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Post by: merce3 on September 13, 2015, 09:06:27 AM
just cleft grafted some small citrus scions onto a few small plants with 4-5 branches each. do i cut all of the other branches off of the plants so they force energy into the grafts? also, can i put them in full sun? i have them wrapped in parafilm.
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Post by: KarenRei on September 13, 2015, 12:51:22 PM
If anyone who's gotten good at grafting is looking for a good cause, or just practice, and doesn't mind running afoul of a few regulations...

http://inhabitat.com/guerrilla-grafters-secretly-graft-fruit-bearing-branches-onto-san-francisco-trees/ (http://inhabitat.com/guerrilla-grafters-secretly-graft-fruit-bearing-branches-onto-san-francisco-trees/)

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Post by: Pancrazio on September 14, 2015, 05:08:37 AM
also, can i put them in full sun? i have them wrapped in parafilm.

Personally, i have always heard that citrus graft should be able to take even in full sun, but so far i haven't had any citrus graft take in full sun while the graft i keep in shadow do take pretty well. So i would advice against keeping citrus graft in full sun. 
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Post by: Cassio on September 14, 2015, 08:41:55 AM
Only today I found this thread...

I tried my first graft two months ago. A pitanga (of big and delicious fruit) over a common pitanga, being the graft with 1,2 cm in diameter. It was going well, with the first sprouts beginning to grow, when the cleaning woman damaged the graft... Nor she nor my wife told me. >:( I discovered it yesterday... I redid the graft and hopefully it will survive.

After that, I also did other grafts 10 days ago (all them alive till now):

I also got a cutting of cambuca, 70 cm high, kept alive for 10 days in a mixture of water, benerva and biogold, and I have an ambitious plan  8)... my plan is to split it in two and:

Since I´m at work right now, pics will be posted later, when I´ll be in home. ;)
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Post by: Solko on September 14, 2015, 03:15:35 PM
Wow, Cassio, your grafts sound very interesting! I lam looking forward to see the pics and how they will take.
Good luck!
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Post by: buddyguygreen on September 15, 2015, 01:19:51 PM
if moisture gets into the top part of the scion but not where the graft was made, is that no good. do i need to re wrap them
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Post by: fyliu on September 15, 2015, 03:47:21 PM
If anyone who's gotten good at grafting is looking for a good cause, or just practice, and doesn't mind running afoul of a few regulations...

http://inhabitat.com/guerrilla-grafters-secretly-graft-fruit-bearing-branches-onto-san-francisco-trees/ (http://inhabitat.com/guerrilla-grafters-secretly-graft-fruit-bearing-branches-onto-san-francisco-trees/)

I saw this type of articles before and thought about it too. But then I thought about the plums and other fruits dropping and rotting on the sidewalks...

I'm not sure if pedestrians would feel like harvesting from street trees. Stealing from homes is safer since home owners make sure they're edible. The ones with do not pick signs usually have the best fruit. So maybe these street trees should have do not pick signs on them to encourage picking.
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Post by: Cassio on September 16, 2015, 07:47:08 AM

I saw this type of articles before and thought about it too. But then I thought about the plums and other fruits dropping and rotting on the sidewalks...

I'm not sure if pedestrians would feel like harvesting from street trees. Stealing from homes is safer since home owners make sure they're edible. The ones with do not pick signs usually have the best fruit. So maybe these street trees should have do not pick signs on them to encourage picking.

We have fruit trees in the street here in São Paulo. Manga, pitanga, grumixama, amora and avocado, are very common, but not allowed. To my knowledge, while the city of Rio de Janeiro (it´s an example. I don´t know about the other brazilian cities) don´t have restrictions about to plant fruit trees in streets and squares of the city, in São Paulo it exists. Anyway, since fiscalization isn´t effective, we keep seeing new fruit trees growing in São Paulo all the time. So, even a few cambucas and jabuticabas were planted, but away from the center of the city of course.
I usually harvest the fruits when I see one of these trees, and I don´t have health problems due to eat these fruits until now. :)

Almost forgot... The grafts I mentioned in the post above were done using cuttings that I made from fruit trees planted on the street.  And the pitanga fruits, as an example, are far superior than the ones produced by a lot of those tress sold in nurseries. So, sometimes a fruit tree that grows in a street or square can represent an opportunity.
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Post by: SamiC on September 16, 2015, 09:28:58 PM
Question for you mango grafting experts.  I have 5 Lavern Manila seedlings I bought from HD. I was planning on veneer grafting a lemon zest to each and being done with it. But seeing as some of you have made cocktail trees, is it possible to graft 2-3 scions on to a seedling at the same time?
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Post by: Guanabanus on September 16, 2015, 10:20:53 PM
Two or three grafts on the same trunk won't grow evenly.   If you already have three sturdy branches, you can graft each one with a different variety.
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Post by: SamiC on September 16, 2015, 10:36:12 PM
Two or three grafts on the same trunk won't grow evenly.   If you already have three sturdy branches, you can graft each one with a different variety.

Thanks. So I should wait for them to branch before I graft them.
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Post by: TheDom on September 17, 2015, 09:21:53 PM
Harebrained idea of the day. I didn't have anything better to do while the dogs pretended to take a dump, so I tip pruned a few branches on my atemoya, and noticed it was about the same size (2mm) as the little silicone grafting clips I'd gotten for tomatoes. I did basically the same thing as you do with those: cut stock and scion at about 45degrees, clip them together, tent, keep dark for 24hrs then keep humid till healed. I figure I'll try a couple the next few times I do some tip pruning and see how it goes.
(http://s28.postimg.cc/64qhtnw09/IMG_20150917_203024.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/64qhtnw09/)
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Post by: Guanabanus on September 18, 2015, 09:17:35 AM
Where does one get those Silicon clips?
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Post by: TheDom on September 18, 2015, 01:49:16 PM
Where does one get those Silicon clips?

Johnny's has them, I got mine locally from Tomatogrowers.com, which may be a better place to buy from if you're just looking for 20 or so, Johnny's seems to just sell by the bag of 200. http://www.johnnyseeds.com/search.aspx?searchterm=silicone+grafting&isusersearch=1 (http://www.johnnyseeds.com/search.aspx?searchterm=silicone+grafting&isusersearch=1)

A google search for "silicone grafting clips" or "tomato grafting clips" will get you plenty of alternate sources.

I used a 2mm clip on this one, and had to pick a spot a good ways up . I'm going to get some more cherimoya seeds started and try grafting them in the seed tray too.
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Post by: Guanabanus on September 18, 2015, 10:09:37 PM
Thank you, Sir!
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Post by: Solko on September 19, 2015, 05:56:53 AM
Hi TheDom, that sounds very interesting.
I've had thes ame idea and tried a couple of times - but failed to graft small soft green wood on big fruit trees. I still have the feeling that it should be possible near the growing tip, though. These clips might just work! ... Please keep us updated on your grafts!
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Post by: merce3 on September 19, 2015, 05:05:23 PM
i have a successful graft... do i remove the grafting tape now or wait a bit longer. it's been a little more than a week.
(http://i.imgur.com/RtiXhIo.jpg?1)
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Post by: merce3 on September 19, 2015, 05:23:51 PM
i have a successful graft... do i remove the grafting tape now or wait a bit longer. it's been a little more than a week.
(http://i.imgur.com/RtiXhIo.jpg?1)

edit: just searched and realize that i don't need to remove it and it will biodegrade on it's own
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Post by: Guanabanus on September 19, 2015, 10:37:00 PM
Also it is too soon to know if it is successful.
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Post by: TheDom on September 21, 2015, 01:59:07 PM
So far the first and only tube graft isn't looking good. I didn't do a great job keeping the humidity high in there and the scion is drooping pretty badly and part of the stem has turned brown. It did seem like it had attached somewhat though, as it didn't separate from the rootstock with gentle tugging like it did on grafting day. I don't have high hopes for this one, but hopefully the possible attachment bodes well for future attempts.
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Post by: Osito on September 30, 2015, 12:58:53 AM
My ap on cherimoya graft Union
(http://s23.postimg.cc/m53ld1ddz/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/m53ld1ddz/)

And another one I just did tonight


(http://s15.postimg.cc/dix954h2f/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dix954h2f/)
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Post by: SamiC on October 10, 2015, 01:55:26 PM
So I recently got some lemon zest scions and grafted them in to Manila root stock from Home Depot. I had 5 scions and 5 trees.  Did 4 clefts and 1 veneer.

Now to my question, since they are potted is it better to cover the scions with a paper bag and leave the plants in direct sun light? Or move them to full shade for a couple weeks? Or gradually introduce them back to full sun over the course of 2 weeks while the scions still have full protection??

Some added notes of possible interest. The 5 potted Manilas were bought a month ago and acclimated to full sun over that time. The scions are wrapped completely in parafilm. Currently they are in partial morning sun, scions covered. Also the temp forecast for next 2 weeks is full sun and about 85-95 degrees.

Ps. Won't post pics for fear of the curse. 
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Post by: SamiC on October 11, 2015, 11:35:04 PM
Anyone?? Buellar?
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Post by: Guanabanus on October 12, 2015, 09:45:18 PM
You can tie paper towel around most of scion, except the tip.
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Post by: SamiC on October 12, 2015, 10:39:38 PM
You can tie paper towel around most of scion, except the tip.

And move them to full sun? Or keep them on shade?
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Post by: Osito on October 13, 2015, 05:31:36 PM

(http://s27.postimg.cc/w8qr6msrz/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/w8qr6msrz/)

(http://s27.postimg.cc/f9me546y7/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/f9me546y7/)

(http://s27.postimg.cc/gyqvzfx9r/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gyqvzfx9r/)

(http://s27.postimg.cc/ljd2edgz3/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ljd2edgz3/)

(http://s27.postimg.cc/n9w3fuyi7/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/n9w3fuyi7/)

(http://s27.postimg.cc/y87cy1n3j/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/y87cy1n3j/)

looks like I got 4 out of four 😆
African pride and Fino de jete on cherimoya 

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Post by: Solko on October 14, 2015, 01:35:56 AM
Nice work! Beautiful plants and grafts, there, Osito. Congratulations!
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Post by: skhan on October 23, 2015, 07:37:23 AM
Got my first graft to take. Its a Neelam!!

(http://s23.postimg.cc/u12xu4tzr/IMG_20151022_175535480_HDR.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/u12xu4tzr/)

Getting ready for next summer. Got 24 seedlings (one maybe dying). Testing them out in 1 gallon root pouches.

(http://s4.postimg.cc/4ti4yg0yh/IMG_20151022_175523545.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4ti4yg0yh/)
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Post by: bsbullie on October 23, 2015, 07:58:59 AM
Got my first graft to take. Its a Neelam!!

(http://s23.postimg.cc/u12xu4tzr/IMG_20151022_175535480_HDR.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/u12xu4tzr/)

Getting ready for next summer. Got 24 seedlings (one maybe dying). Testing them out in 1 gallon root pouches.

(http://s4.postimg.cc/4ti4yg0yh/IMG_20151022_175523545.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4ti4yg0yh/)

How long ago did you graft it?  What is that red material its wrapped with?
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Post by: skhan on October 23, 2015, 08:36:51 AM
Got my first graft to take. Its a Neelam!!

(http://s23.postimg.cc/u12xu4tzr/IMG_20151022_175535480_HDR.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/u12xu4tzr/)

Getting ready for next summer. Got 24 seedlings (one maybe dying). Testing them out in 1 gallon root pouches.

(http://s4.postimg.cc/4ti4yg0yh/IMG_20151022_175523545.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4ti4yg0yh/)

How long ago did you graft it?  What is that red material its wrapped with?

Its been about 4 weeks since grafting. Pushed out in the third week.
The red material is flagging tape, the parafilm i had at that time was brittle, didn't seem like it would hold the scion well.
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 26, 2015, 10:47:36 AM
Johnny you rosin up your bow! (sharpen up your grafting knife)  :P

now is a great time to graft jaboticabas in FL!  ;)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6RUg-NkjY4#)

the devil went down to Florida, he was looking for a scion to heal....

when he came across this young man sawing on a scion and grafting it hot,
and the devil jumped up on jaboticaba stump and said "boy let me tell you what....

I bet you didn't know it, but I'm a jabo grafter too,
and if you care to make a dare, I'll make a bet with you,
Now you graft a pretty good jabo boy, but give the devil his due,
I bet a jabo worth more than gold, against your soul,
cuz I think I'm better than you!"

 :P

BWAH!!!
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Post by: SamiC on November 23, 2015, 12:46:02 PM
Update.

All the grafts I did on my own were a bust. Dead or dying.  :-[

Good news is that fellow member Sapote came over this sunday and showed me how to properly graft mangos. Thanks Sapote, looking forward to trying it again in June.
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Post by: behlgarden on November 23, 2015, 01:17:44 PM
next time, graft in Summer. don't take chances. we had unusual warm weather late this year that provided success to lot of folks, but prime time to graft in So Cal still is Jul thru Mid. Sep.
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Post by: SamiC on November 23, 2015, 01:25:12 PM
next time, graft in Summer. don't take chances. we had unusual warm weather late this year that provided success to lot of folks, but prime time to graft in So Cal still is Jul thru Mid. Sep.

Point taken Behl, that's my plan. will you be offering any scions for purchase or trade? I would love to have a local source of fresh scions. From what sapote was saying that's one of the big pieces to the puzzle.
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Post by: behlgarden on November 23, 2015, 01:28:24 PM
depending on how my growth goes, there is a possibility. key is not just fresh, but how scions were prepped before harvesting. I usually prep them for over 10 days before I harvest and gives high success rates.
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Post by: SamiC on November 23, 2015, 01:33:12 PM
depending on how my growth goes, there is a possibility. key is not just fresh, but how scions were prepped before harvesting. I usually prep them for over 10 days before I harvest and gives high success rates.

Can you share a little about the prepping process? Do you trim the leaves and then cut them as they're about to bud? Any other tricks?
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Post by: behlgarden on November 23, 2015, 01:35:07 PM
that's it
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Post by: kh0110 on November 23, 2015, 02:07:13 PM
next time, graft in Summer. don't take chances. we had unusual warm weather late this year that provided success to lot of folks, but prime time to graft in So Cal still is Jul thru Mid. Sep.

I'm lucky enough to be one of them, see my mango LZ bud below. LZ chip bud on Alphonso branch on in ground Lavern Manila.

(http://s13.postimg.cc/ttkol78zn/Mango_LZ_Chip_Budding.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ttkol78zn/)
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Post by: SamiC on November 23, 2015, 02:13:27 PM
That is some master grafting right there. Completely amazed.
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Post by: fyliu on November 23, 2015, 02:17:37 PM
Thera, when did you cut the top? Was it after the bud started pushing? I can't tell fro the early photos. Very nicely done!
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Post by: kh0110 on November 23, 2015, 02:27:15 PM
I broke the top when I saw sign of the bud taking and took the 2nd photo. Then I cut it off when I saw the bud really pushing and took the 3rd photo. I have since cut the top a little bit more, see photo below from 2 days ago.

(http://s14.postimg.cc/wtevvmikt/IMG_0933.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wtevvmikt/)
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Post by: fyliu on November 23, 2015, 08:49:34 PM
Oh, that upside down stub thing in the 2nd photo is the broken top...
Thanks for giving all the details. I will experiment with this method to improve my grafting some more. Maybe next year.
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Post by: kh0110 on November 23, 2015, 10:15:14 PM
That is some master grafting right there. Completely amazed.

You're giving me way too much credit here, Sami. If you looked carefully at the pix, you'll see the failed cut right below the bud. That was my 1st cut and it was way too large and too high. The 2nd cut was still way too large but just about the right height. A master grafter wouldn't make such mistake.
So you know, this was my 1st budding success after at least 10 attempts. And just when I decided to document the steps for troubleshooting, it worked out nicely.
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Post by: Cassio on November 24, 2015, 07:32:03 AM
I tried my first graft in jully of this year. A pitanga (of big and delicious fruit) over a common pitanga, being the graft with 1,2 cm in diameter. It was going well, with the first sprouts beginning to grow, when the cleaning woman damaged the graft... Nor she nor my wife told me. >:( ... I redid the graft, but it died 10 days ago...

I also did other grafts in the end of august:


I still need to learn a lot!  :-[
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Post by: SamiC on November 24, 2015, 12:33:32 PM
That is some master grafting right there. Completely amazed.

You're giving me way too much credit here, Sami. If you looked carefully at the pix, you'll see the failed cut right below the bud. That was my 1st cut and it was way too large and too high. The 2nd cut was still way too large but just about the right height. A master grafter wouldn't make such mistake.
So you know, this was my 1st budding success after at least 10 attempts. And just when I decided to document the steps for troubleshooting, it worked out nicely.
I did 15 grafts all failed. I'm hoping the last 3 I watched sapote do stick. He was very meticulous and delicate, I think I was being ham handed and just going thru the motions. Watching videos of farmers in India and Thailand whizzing thru graft after graft sitting on the ground is very deceptive. You literally need to have a surgeons focus.
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Post by: ricshaw on November 24, 2015, 12:51:21 PM
I did 15 grafts all failed. I'm hoping the last 3 I watched sapote do stick. He was very meticulous and delicate, I think I was being ham handed and just going thru the motions. Watching videos of farmers in India and Thailand whizzing thru graft after graft sitting on the ground is very deceptive. You literally need to have a surgeons focus.

That has been my experience with avocado grafting.  I wonder if the SoCal low humidity has something to do with it.
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Post by: SamiC on November 24, 2015, 01:29:41 PM
I did 15 grafts all failed. I'm hoping the last 3 I watched sapote do stick. He was very meticulous and delicate, I think I was being ham handed and just going thru the motions. Watching videos of farmers in India and Thailand whizzing thru graft after graft sitting on the ground is very deceptive. You literally need to have a surgeons focus.

That has been my experience with avocado grafting.  I wonder if the SoCal low humidity has something to do with it.

Sapote did something very interesting. 1., he didn't cover the entire scion with the grafting tape, only a couple inches above and below the grafting point 2., he made a plastic sleeve out of a medium thickness  opaque plastic shopping bag and slipped it over the scion.
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Post by: JF on November 24, 2015, 01:42:55 PM
There is no magic to grafting it's all about timing and the months when you preform the grafts.
Anonas:
March - May
Mangos:
Late June - August
Avocados
Spring to Fall

That doesn't mean you'll have no takes outside of these periods but these are the months you'll have greater success.

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Post by: SamiC on November 24, 2015, 01:57:50 PM
There is magic to grafting it all about timing and the months when you preform the grafts.
Anonas:
March - May
Mangos:
Late June - August
Avocados
Spring to Fall

That doesn't mean you'll have no takes outside of these periods but these are the months you'll have greater success.

Yeah, late June is when I'm planning to start again. This way I'll have til august to get better at it.
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Post by: JF on November 24, 2015, 02:11:57 PM
There is magic to grafting it all about timing and the months when you preform the grafts.
Anonas:
March - May
Mangos:
Late June - August
Avocados
Spring to Fall

That doesn't mean you'll have no takes outside of these periods but these are the months you'll have greater success.

Yeah, late June is when I'm planning to start again. This way I'll have til august to get better at it.
As a beginner I would start with veneer graft it's the easiest. During the summer you don't need tp prep just time you flushes. You'll get about 4 chances during this time
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Post by: SamiC on November 24, 2015, 02:27:32 PM
As a beginner I would start with veneer graft it's the easiest. During the summer you don't need tp prep just time you flushes. You'll get about 4 chances during this time

That's funny you say that, veneer seemed to be the most complicated. I thought cleft grafting was easier. I would love to watch you do some when the time comes, that's the only way I really learn.  :)
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Post by: JF on November 24, 2015, 02:30:54 PM
Sami
Julian Lara has a great video in YouTube on veneer graft.
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Post by: SamiC on November 24, 2015, 02:48:17 PM
Sami
Julian Lara has a great video in YouTube on veneer graft.

I've seen it. Its great, but the video quality is like watching it with beer goggles on. LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ocvn-ze5VA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ocvn-ze5VA)
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Post by: skhan on November 24, 2015, 02:49:20 PM
This year was my first time grafting. I did a bunch of cleft grafts and two veneers. The only two that too were the veneers, so i'm sticking to what works for me.
I did them with an x-acto blade, i'll get a proper grafting knife soon though.

I'm pushing my luck and grafted a few more mangos last week. A lot a plants in my yard are still pushing new leaves, so i though i'd give it a shot.

Anyone ever have success using a high nitrogen fertilizer to try to make the plant push more growth outside of growing season? Or for helping the graft take?
Is that even sensible, or crazy talk?
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Post by: SamiC on November 24, 2015, 03:47:08 PM
Also Another reason I like cleft grafts is that you can make cocktail trees. I'm space limited and can only have 10 mangos in ground, cleft grafting allows me to have much more variety.
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Post by: xshen on November 24, 2015, 03:57:16 PM
I did 15 grafts all failed. I'm hoping the last 3 I watched sapote do stick. He was very meticulous and delicate, I think I was being ham handed and just going thru the motions. Watching videos of farmers in India and Thailand whizzing thru graft after graft sitting on the ground is very deceptive. You literally need to have a surgeons focus.

That has been my experience with avocado grafting.  I wonder if the SoCal low humidity has something to do with it.

try grafting avocados with the leaves cut in half. I've done about 6-7 grafts this year with no failures. They were grafted between summer - fall
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Post by: fyliu on November 24, 2015, 04:17:29 PM
Also Another reason I like cleft grafts is that you can make cocktail trees. I'm space limited and can only have 10 mangos in ground, cleft grafting allows me to have much more variety.

You can do multi-graft trees with all popular methods. If anything, cleft and whip are more limiting when it comes to this. For example, if the trunk is an inch across and have no branching for 5 ft from the ground up, you can only make 1 cleft graft at a sane height. With approach, veneer, t-bud, chip bud, you can just graft to the bare trunk, at any height you want.
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Post by: SamiC on November 24, 2015, 04:43:05 PM
Also Another reason I like cleft grafts is that you can make cocktail trees. I'm space limited and can only have 10 mangos in ground, cleft grafting allows me to have much more variety.

You can do multi-graft trees with all popular methods. If anything, cleft and whip are more limiting when it comes to this. For example, if the trunk is an inch across and have no branching for 5 ft from the ground up, you can only make 1 cleft graft at a sane height. With approach, veneer, t-bud, chip bud, you can just graft to the bare trunk, at any height you want.

Very true. In my situation I'm working with potted manila seedlings from Home Depot with multiple branches, so cleft seemed the most applicable. I would imagine on a larger in ground tree you're really not limited in your approach.
Title: Re: Lucuma looks like a take
Post by: gunnar429 on December 04, 2015, 10:39:31 AM
This is two pictures of lucuma I grafted onto canistel on july 27 I did one more that I wrapped in parafilm it has not pushed yet. I will post picture of the graft when I unwrap them
(http://s8.postimg.cc/gjihjs5a9/001.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gjihjs5a9/)

(http://s7.postimg.cc/h4ybnceav/002.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/h4ybnceav/)

Mike, or others in FL:  Any luck with lucuma on canistel?
Title: Re: Lucuma looks like a take
Post by: bsbullie on December 04, 2015, 10:43:29 AM
This is two pictures of lucuma I grafted onto canistel on july 27 I did one more that I wrapped in parafilm it has not pushed yet. I will post picture of the graft when I unwrap them
(http://s8.postimg.cc/gjihjs5a9/001.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gjihjs5a9/)

(http://s7.postimg.cc/h4ybnceav/002.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/h4ybnceav/)

Mike, or others in FL:  Any luck with lucuma on canistel?

I dont think there is an issue with growing lucuma in South Florida, i think the issue will be wigh it fruiting.
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Post by: gunnar429 on December 04, 2015, 11:44:34 AM
Ah, like Cherimoya.  That makes sense.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Lucuma looks like a take
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 04, 2015, 11:56:37 AM
I got a grafted lucuma from Mike,

It grows well enough and flowered up a storm

No fruit set as of yet.

I have another seedling I'm growing that is also a supposed lowland type...it really struggled for the first 2y, being attacked by mites that retarded the new growth

I finally put the tree underwater for a night, and the mites all drowned...now it's getting happy again...lush new growth without distortion
This is two pictures of lucuma I grafted onto canistel on july 27 I did one more that I wrapped in parafilm it has not pushed yet. I will post picture of the graft when I unwrap them
(http://s8.postimg.cc/gjihjs5a9/001.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gjihjs5a9/)

(http://s7.postimg.cc/h4ybnceav/002.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/h4ybnceav/)

Mike, or others in FL:  Any luck with lucuma on canistel?

I dont think there is an issue with growing lucuma in South Florida, i think the issue will be wigh it fruiting.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: gnappi on January 08, 2016, 12:24:12 PM
I am wondering if this graft is typical.

The scion was from a Carrie which is in the ground and currently about 4' tall with the thickest branch currently around 1/3". It has grown hardly at all.

The grafted scion is now on an unknown stringy cultivar (I'm guessing it's  a seedling ~9 years old planted by my house PO) and the scion of the Carrie took over the water shoot and is now about 1" (or more) in diameter and has its own canopy about 3' across already. I grafted it last spring in ~ April. The pic shows the back side of the grafted branch, and the front side where the graft was made.

This is pretty aggressive growth no?

(http://s1.postimg.cc/bcp953597/graft1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bcp953597/)
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Post by: Bhkkatemoya on January 12, 2016, 11:31:35 PM
Here's a pic of my avocado graft back in October.  Looking good so far
(http://s7.postimg.cc/yonb7tzp3/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yonb7tzp3/)
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Post by: Cookie Monster on January 13, 2016, 11:22:13 AM
That's normal. That's the beauty of top-working -- instant tree.

I am wondering if this graft is typical.

The scion was from a Carrie which is in the ground and currently about 4' tall with the thickest branch currently around 1/3". It has grown hardly at all.

The grafted scion is now on an unknown stringy cultivar (I'm guessing it's  a seedling ~9 years old planted by my house PO) and the scion of the Carrie took over the water shoot and is now about 1" (or more) in diameter and has its own canopy about 3' across already. I grafted it last spring in ~ April. The pic shows the back side of the grafted branch, and the front side where the graft was made.

This is pretty aggressive growth no?

(http://s1.postimg.cc/bcp953597/graft1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bcp953597/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: Bhkkatemoya on January 13, 2016, 04:26:28 PM
Thanks for Sharing this JF.  Do you or any other experts know when would be a good time to graft jackfruit, longan/lychee, and sapodilla?

There is no magic to grafting it's all about timing and the months when you preform the grafts.
Anonas:
March - May
Mangos:
Late June - August
Avocados
Spring to Fall

That doesn't mean you'll have no takes outside of these periods but these are the months you'll have greater success.
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Post by: simon_grow on January 13, 2016, 04:45:14 PM
I'm not an expert on any of those fruit but grafting success is generally good when a tree is ready to push a vegetative flush. I prefer grafting when the temps have warmed up.

Simon
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Post by: fyliu on January 14, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
I'm not an expert on any of those fruit but grafting success is generally good when a tree is ready to push a vegetative flush. I prefer grafting when the temps have warmed up.

Simon
That's pretty much the trick rather than going with the months. The weather these days is not predictable.

Use extra care with lychee because the cambium partially shuts down most times of the year, meaning those parts won't bridge even if there's cambial contact with the scion. If you get it lined up really well all around, the portion that's active will bridge. The only time it's active all around is when the plant is flushing new growth.
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Post by: Bhkkatemoya on January 16, 2016, 12:12:40 PM
Thanks Simon and fyliu for the tips.
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Post by: Bhkkatemoya on February 16, 2016, 02:08:48 AM
Hi fellow members,

Just want to share my grafts that I did about three weeks ago for ap and geffner on cherimoya rootstock.  Here's a pic I took this morning.  I have a few questions:

1. I removed the tape that connected the scion and rootstock today thinking it might need some air and sunlight in it to heal faster.  Is that wrong? Should I rewrap and wait for it to push more before removing the tape?

2. I've read about having cocktail cherimoya but not atemoya.  Currently this rootstock has multiple shoots of which I already had  ap and geffner on it.  Just grafted two cherimoya varieties yesterday (thank you Simon for the generous scions).  Should I keep this mix or keep the cherimoyas and atemoya on different trees. 

Thanks
(http://s9.postimg.cc/vfua1m7ff/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vfua1m7ff/)
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: fyliu on February 16, 2016, 02:43:34 AM
Noooo... don't remove the tape so soon!

The rootstock can still push out the scion or the union can die or some bird can sit on it the wrong way and break it. Wait until the new shoot has grown several inches, which confirms that the juices are flowing well, before removing the tape. If you're in a dry climate like mine and plants don't grow as fast as south Florida, you can even leave the tape for up to a year without girdling the branch. Oh you're in SD.

You do want to be careful not to disturb the graft if you're going to put the tape or just some parafilm back on. Maybe it's better to just tie a knot rather than wrapping it like the first time.
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Post by: Jsvand5 on February 16, 2016, 08:59:53 AM
Definitely too early to remove the tape. I'll be surprised if you don't end up losing those grafts. Annona scions seem to always push growth when they are first grafted but a lot of times there is not actually a good connection with the rootstock yet. I wait until there are full grown leaves before I remove the tape.
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Post by: Bhkkatemoya on February 16, 2016, 06:03:38 PM
Thanks guys.
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Post by: Bhkkatemoya on February 16, 2016, 06:57:30 PM
You guys were right.  Just check on it and found out the wind almost separate one of the graft already.  I just tied it together again.  Should I regraft or leave it as is?
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Post by: fyliu on February 17, 2016, 12:51:16 AM
Re-grafting might be better if the union has dried out. But then if the scion is pushing new flush it's using its energy reserve and could fail anyway. I'm not sure what will help. Pinching off the tip of the new flush? It'll then use some energy to heal the wound.

Maybe just re-graft and don't think too much about it. Try to keep it cool and shaded. If it takes, then that's great.
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Post by: behlgarden on February 17, 2016, 06:10:30 PM
I have had this problem where scion was green and at times pushing while union looked black, I opened up the union, cut the graft out, and regrafted it at new spot, removed blackened part of scion out. as long as you see fresh green moist wood when you cut scion again, it has a slight change it might take.  I have been successful doing so.

few scions were shivered up a bit, upon regrafting the scions got boost and came back to life. if scion is precious and cannot be easily found, I would recommend trying this as an option.
Title: Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
Post by: TheDom on February 24, 2016, 09:45:02 AM
I grafted up a bunch of Birula, Calostro and Randhir last night, and will be working on some Dream today. This pic isn't representative of the average cut by any means, but I was pretty happy with how well this one lined up. Rootstock approx 3/16
(http://s28.postimg.cc/st8nmgxwp/IMG_20160223_215710.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/st8nmgxwp/)
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Post by: skhan on February 24, 2016, 09:57:38 AM
Nice job Dom,

No root stock for me this year. I planted a bunch of Dr. White seedlings so hopefully next year i'll have some fun.

Put me down for a Dream and if you want help experimenting with CA varieties on the east coast i can keep them in a pot.
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Post by: JF on February 24, 2016, 10:19:56 AM
I grafted up a bunch of Birula, Calostro and Randhir last night, and will be working on some Dream today. This pic isn't representative of the average cut by any means, but I was pretty happy with how well this one lined up. Rootstock approx 3/16
(http://s28.postimg.cc/st8nmgxwp/IMG_20160223_215710.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/st8nmgxwp/)

That looks great Dominic, good luck! Btw, what rootstocks are you using?
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Post by: TheDom on February 24, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
I grafted up a bunch of Birula, Calostro and Randhir last night, and will be working on some Dream today. This pic isn't representative of the average cut by any means, but I was pretty happy with how well this one lined up. Rootstock approx 3/16
(http://s28.postimg.cc/st8nmgxwp/IMG_20160223_215710.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/st8nmgxwp/)

That looks great Dominic, good luck! Btw, what rootstocks are you using?
Edited to add: Thanks!

Cherimoya from an unknown variety found at an Asian food store in the Tampa area. Here's a pic of one of the fruits if that helps. This one looks rather poor, but I can't find any other pics.
(http://s17.postimg.cc/btdf3fdmz/Screenshot_20160223_082316.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/btdf3fdmz/)
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Post by: JF on February 24, 2016, 08:06:27 PM
I grafted up a bunch of Birula, Calostro and Randhir last night, and will be working on some Dream today. This pic isn't representative of the average cut by any means, but I was pretty happy with how well this one lined up. Rootstock approx 3/16
(http://s28.postimg.cc/st8nmgxwp/IMG_20160223_215710.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/st8nmgxwp/)

That looks great Dominic, good luck! Btw, what rootstocks are you using?
Edited to add: Thanks!

Cherimoya from an unknown variety found at an Asian food store in the Tampa area. Here's a pic of one of the fruits if that helps. This one looks rather poor, but I can't find any other pics.
(http://s17.postimg.cc/btdf3fdmz/Screenshot_20160223_082316.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/btdf3fdmz/)

Hard to tell from the pic but you should get good results. You should've gotten a few sticks of cherimoyas like Libby and Mcpherson which are known to grow well in Hawaii might be worth a try in FL
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 24, 2016, 08:13:30 PM
I grafted up a bunch of Birula, Calostro and Randhir last night, and will be working on some Dream today. This pic isn't representative of the average cut by any means, but I was pretty happy with how well this one lined up. Rootstock approx 3/16
(http://s28.postimg.cc/st8nmgxwp/IMG_20160223_215710.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/st8nmgxwp/)


looks good!

btw, it seems to be much sturdier if you make a deeper cut when veneer grafting.
the shallower the cuts, the more likely your scion can be bumped off, right after it heals.
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Post by: TheDom on February 24, 2016, 08:36:24 PM
JF - I'm still kicking around the idea of trying some cherimoya down here. I think Berto has one that should be fruiting size before too much longer, though I can't remember the variety. Even if I can't get it to fruit, I might use one to play around with breeding some better atemoya.

Adam - Thanks for the tip. Just got my kit together to get some Dream grafted, so I'll be sure to make them a bit deeper.

How long do you like to make the cuts for veneer grafts with annonas? 1-2" seems to be what I see most often, but I guess the idea is the greater the cambium area in contact the better the chances are. Are longer cuts better for veneer grafts?
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Post by: JF on February 24, 2016, 10:32:16 PM
JF - I'm still kicking around the idea of trying some cherimoya down here. I think Berto has one that should be fruiting size before too much longer, though I can't remember the variety. Even if I can't get it to fruit, I might use one to play around with breeding some better atemoya.

Adam - Thanks for the tip. Just got my kit together to get some Dream grafted, so I'll be sure to make them a bit deeper.

How long do you like to make the cuts for veneer grafts with annonas? 1-2" seems to be what I see most often, but I guess the idea is the greater the cambium area in contact the better the chances are. Are longer cuts better for veneer grafts?

Dominic
I wish Berto good luck with his cherimoya seedling experiment in Ft Myers. There are 4 var. of cherimoyas that are grown in the tropics
Cumbe
Mcpherson
Libby
Spain
I have all of them in my scion sale,San Mateo ( seedling of Cumbe), although they might not be listed
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Post by: TheDom on February 27, 2016, 08:55:00 AM
EDIT: No success with this method so far. All of these died.

 So I'm feeling adventurous today. Here's an absurdly small veneer graft of a single bud of Dream on to a Gefner seedling. I have another 4 gefner seedlings this size, and depending on how the day goes might do the rest of them and see how it goes. I don't really expect much to come of it, but it would be pretty cool if they could be reliably grafted when small.

(http://s27.postimg.cc/8mw6zsjvz/IMG_20160227_083803.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8mw6zsjvz/)

(http://s8.postimg.cc/5z4twxaip/IMG_20160227_084709.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5z4twxaip/)
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Post by: funlul on February 27, 2016, 10:00:04 AM
As a beginner I would start with veneer graft it's the easiest. During the summer you don't need tp prep just time you flushes. You'll get about 4 chances during this time

That's funny you say that, veneer seemed to be the most complicated. I thought cleft grafting was easier. I would love to watch you do some when the time comes, that's the only way I really learn.  :)

I never had luck with veneer grafting, to me it's either cleft (v) or bark grafting depending on diameter of rootstock.
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Post by: TheDom on February 29, 2016, 10:49:36 AM
I grafted a bunch of Calostro, Birula and Randhir back on 2/23, and some of them are already pushing buds. I remember reading somewhere here that them pushing early is a bad sign. Shall I commence mourning?
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Post by: JF on February 29, 2016, 11:04:13 AM
I grafted a bunch of Calostro, Birula and Randhir back on 2/23, and some of them are already pushing buds. I remember reading somewhere here that them pushing early is a bad sign. Shall I commence mourning?

That's testimony of how the wood was prepped
You are ok it should leaf out in two weeks
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Post by: funlul on February 29, 2016, 12:45:56 PM
I multi-grafted my in-ground small mulberry tree 3 weeks ago. One graft is aggressively pushing fruits (!!) and leaves, one is showing a bit of green under parafilm, and one seems totally asleep.

Should I remove the vigorous grower's fruits so the tree can direct energy to other scions? They are still hidden inside the new leaves right now.
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Post by: fyliu on February 29, 2016, 01:37:28 PM
I'm thinking mulberry fruits are so small they won't interfere with the tree's growth if you let them grow. On cuttings without roots, you should remove them.
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Post by: TheDom on February 29, 2016, 02:00:37 PM
I grafted a bunch of Calostro, Birula and Randhir back on 2/23, and some of them are already pushing buds. I remember reading somewhere here that them pushing early is a bad sign. Shall I commence mourning?

That's testimony of how the wood was prepped
You are ok it should leaf out in two weeks

Excellent, thanks.
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Post by: funlul on February 29, 2016, 02:29:45 PM
I'm thinking mulberry fruits are so small they won't interfere with the tree's growth if you let them grow. On cuttings without roots, you should remove them.

Thanks! Well I guess I am just worried that this one scion is not showing any signs of life yet. Trying to find out if removing fruits would improve its chance!
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Post by: Vernmented on February 29, 2016, 02:58:13 PM
I grafted a bunch of Calostro, Birula and Randhir back on 2/23, and some of them are already pushing buds. I remember reading somewhere here that them pushing early is a bad sign. Shall I commence mourning?

That's testimony of how the wood was prepped
You are ok it should leaf out in two weeks

Hey Dom, I grafts from Frank are starting to push as well. His budwood makes me look like I know what I am doing. LOL It will be exciting to get these California fruits going out here. Good luck!
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Post by: TheDom on March 04, 2016, 11:16:07 AM
Hey Adam, those 47-18 grafts are starting to push! I'm pretty excited to be able to keep this rare hybrid going.
(http://s22.postimg.cc/5mcjnfcot/IMG_20160304_105546.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5mcjnfcot/)

Josh, my scions from Frank are almost all pushing out, and my big reds from Adam have just started peeking out. No love from the giant Mexican or PPC atemoya yet.
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Post by: JF on March 04, 2016, 06:18:12 PM
40 varieties on this mango

(http://s22.postimg.cc/723ca3p59/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/723ca3p59/)
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Post by: TheDom on March 04, 2016, 06:46:15 PM
Nice Frank! Now you've got to name each one from memory.  ;)
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Post by: starch on March 04, 2016, 06:49:03 PM
40 varieties on this mango


WHOA!!! Do you have a catalog of what the varieties are!
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Post by: nullzero on March 04, 2016, 06:51:32 PM
Nice tree JF, in full bloom!

Here are some pictures of the Myrica cerifera rootstock with Myrica rubra grafts which look like they took.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-BrapCvmmT8g/Vtoe3s122VI/AAAAAAAALSA/9uzI8TARIQg/s400-Ic42/20160229_175733.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SdHojWrqwEU/Vtoe_olQUXI/AAAAAAAALR4/DRoi9OqYMsk/s400-Ic42/20160229_175712.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-B682kxdVJ-k/VtofF13Un1I/AAAAAAAALR8/7PPlzgKi2wk/s400-Ic42/20160229_175726.jpg)
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Post by: Jsvand5 on March 05, 2016, 12:05:25 AM
Nice tree JF, in full bloom!

Here are some pictures of the Myrica cerifera rootstock with Myrica rubra grafts which look like they took.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-BrapCvmmT8g/Vtoe3s122VI/AAAAAAAALSA/9uzI8TARIQg/s400-Ic42/20160229_175733.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SdHojWrqwEU/Vtoe_olQUXI/AAAAAAAALR4/DRoi9OqYMsk/s400-Ic42/20160229_175712.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-B682kxdVJ-k/VtofF13Un1I/AAAAAAAALR8/7PPlzgKi2wk/s400-Ic42/20160229_175726.jpg)

I wish you luck with the rubra. How long ago were they grafted? For me they seem to always push from stored energy and then die about a week or two later.
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Post by: DimplesLee on April 02, 2016, 01:33:00 AM
Sugar apple Kampung Mauve - almost a month old graft still in part shade (morning sun from 6am to 9am, then afternoon sun from 2pm to sunset).  What are these black spots? No, I handwater and make sure not to get the stem and leaves wet so not too sure what else could I be doing wrong? Sprayed some fungicide after the black spots started to show - wrong move?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mrx3krin9cfjg4h/IMG_20160402_132055.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/mrx3krin9cfjg4h/IMG_20160402_132055.jpg?dl=0)

Also should I rewrap the graft Union or its okay now
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4pjo4vcpcuqeknh/IMG_20160402_132231.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/4pjo4vcpcuqeknh/IMG_20160402_132231.jpg?dl=0)
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Post by: Zafra on April 11, 2016, 11:49:33 AM
I'm at the 6 week mark with these 2 grafts. The first is Maha, the second Sweet Tart both on the rootstocks that I bought already grafted with Haden. Like 10 days ago I broke off the tops of the Haden grafts to break apical dominance, but they're still there with some leaves. The Maha scion is bright green from tip to toe, but isn't swelling or anything that I can see. The ST scion was always that dark, almost black color, has some definite swelling of buds, but hasn't moved much in the last week. Should I just totally leave them alone, or is there something I should do to stimulate a push? This is testing my patience in a big way :)

Maha:

(http://s29.postimg.cc/djrjc1x8j/IMG_9670.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/djrjc1x8j/)

(http://s29.postimg.cc/oxe2n97r7/IMG_9671.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/oxe2n97r7/)

ST:


(http://s9.postimg.cc/71cklwssr/IMG_9674.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/71cklwssr/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/uguhr9cjv/IMG_9675.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/uguhr9cjv/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/fr9nmraa3/IMG_9676.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fr9nmraa3/)
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Post by: Zafra on April 12, 2016, 12:28:43 PM
bumping this in the hopes of getting some guidance from the pros. damn this forum moves fast!
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Post by: Guanabanus on May 06, 2016, 11:13:51 PM
Fertilize
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Post by: FrankDrebinOfFruits on May 13, 2016, 02:20:55 PM
I grafted 2 mangos, they scions were just about to push, but before they could push they turned black. I found these little black weevils in the scion. They were about 1mm long and maybe 0.5 mm wide.  You can see a hole on the right side of the scion. The holes are all over and the weevels were working it over.

Did the weevils cause the scion to die? If so, what can be done differently next time?

Or are the weevils the result of a dying scion?




(http://s32.postimg.cc/744lhg9tt/20160510_164936_resized.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/744lhg9tt/)
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Post by: Solko on May 15, 2016, 06:10:27 AM
I tend to think that the weevils came in after the scion struggled, more as the clean-up division of mother nature. But your scion still has one green bud. Do you think that one is alive, or is the entire scion lost at this point?
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Post by: Andrew on May 30, 2016, 02:05:12 PM
I'm worried about the water trapped under the Paraffin tape. I have already removed the Paraffin tape on several of the scions for fifteen minutes to let the moister disappear before reapplying the tape, I'm not sure that is helping much because a few days later I see the water return. It's already been over three weeks since I've grafted them and I've checked the scion wood and they are still nice and alive. So, should I keep removing the Paraffin tape to let the excess water disappear? I've already drastically cut back on the water which seems to be helping a little.


(http://s33.postimg.cc/yalv3taej/IMG_1539.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yalv3taej/)
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Post by: fyliu on May 30, 2016, 05:49:18 PM
If your location has enough humidity, you might not need the parafilm. Ask FL people to confirm.

I think if you wrap the parafilm close to the scion, there wouldn't be much condensation. Also, try to keep it cool so it doesn't transpire so much. I normally try to ignore grafts for the first month. One time the sap pushed through on the cherimoya and killed the scion. Probably should have cut an opening at the tip of the scion to let the sap run through.
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Post by: Andrew on June 16, 2016, 09:03:13 PM
If your location has enough humidity, you might not need the parafilm. Ask FL people to confirm.

I think if you wrap the parafilm close to the scion, there wouldn't be much condensation. Also, try to keep it cool so it doesn't transpire so much. I normally try to ignore grafts for the first month. One time the sap pushed through on the cherimoya and killed the scion. Probably should have cut an opening at the tip of the scion to let the sap run through.

Thanks for the response fyliu. This is week six and there is zero signs of new growth. I did check the scion wood and they all appear to be nice and healthy. I've never had scions that took this long to flush before. I'm wondering if it's time I took the electrical tape off? It's on tightly and I'm worried that it may start damaging the scion or rootstock soon.
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Post by: Bhkkatemoya on June 25, 2016, 04:44:33 PM
Here's a graft I did recently on a mango seedling with two shoots.  Should I cut the other shoot or leave it alone? My previous graft failed because I had it in full sun, the scion dried out very quickly.  Going to leave this one in a shaded area. 
(https://s31.postimg.cc/pzlet5x3b/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/pzlet5x3b/)
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Post by: Cookie Monster on June 25, 2016, 06:41:48 PM
You could wait til the graft hardens off one set of leaves and then snip the other shoot. Or, you could have fun and graft the other shoot to a different cultivar :-)

Here's a graft I did recently on a mango seedling with two shoots.  Should I cut the other shoot or leave it alone? My previous graft failed because I had it in full sun, the scion dried out very quickly.  Going to leave this one in a shaded area. 
(https://s31.postimg.cc/pzlet5x3b/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/pzlet5x3b/)
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Post by: Bhkkatemoya on June 25, 2016, 06:51:09 PM
Thanks Jeff.  Hopefully 4th time grafting mango will be a charm. 
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Post by: funlul on June 25, 2016, 07:03:01 PM
The leaves on my latest mulberry graft just dried out, probably due to the cruel heat wave, or the tree is not directing enough energy toward it. Will wait it out or try grafting later. Fortunately the scion came from another tree in the yard, so I do not have to hunt for a new scion.
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Post by: TheDom on September 30, 2016, 03:37:05 PM
I did a few approach grafts of some annonas today, pictured here are three I did on a Big Red sugar apple. So far most annonas have been ready to separate in about 2-3wks from graft day.

(https://s13.postimg.cc/ndjpym2hv/IMG_20160928_154742.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ndjpym2hv/)

(https://s11.postimg.cc/j0xcjlyjj/IMG_20160928_154813.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/j0xcjlyjj/)

(https://s22.postimg.cc/tl9j3g3al/IMG_20160928_154852.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tl9j3g3al/)

(https://s9.postimg.cc/9aaeqxp3v/IMG_20160928_155119.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9aaeqxp3v/)

(https://s10.postimg.cc/ly9oswpad/IMG_20160928_161019.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ly9oswpad/)
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Post by: FruitFreak on September 30, 2016, 04:58:40 PM
I did a few approach grafts of some annonas today, pictured here are three I did on a Big Red sugar apple. So far most annonas have been ready to separate in about 2-3wks from graft day.

(https://s13.postimg.cc/ndjpym2hv/IMG_20160928_154742.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ndjpym2hv/)

(https://s11.postimg.cc/j0xcjlyjj/IMG_20160928_154813.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/j0xcjlyjj/)

(https://s22.postimg.cc/tl9j3g3al/IMG_20160928_154852.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tl9j3g3al/)

(https://s9.postimg.cc/9aaeqxp3v/IMG_20160928_155119.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9aaeqxp3v/)

(https://s10.postimg.cc/ly9oswpad/IMG_20160928_161019.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ly9oswpad/)

Nice Work!
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Post by: funlul on September 30, 2016, 05:58:51 PM
The leaves on my latest mulberry graft just dried out, probably due to the cruel heat wave, or the tree is not directing enough energy toward it. Will wait it out or try grafting later. Fortunately the scion came from another tree in the yard, so I do not have to hunt for a new scion.

And it took on the second try, yeah!
White mulberry is bearing fruits now, for some reason.
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Post by: TheDom on September 30, 2016, 07:15:40 PM
The leaves on my latest mulberry graft just dried out, probably due to the cruel heat wave, or the tree is not directing enough energy toward it. Will wait it out or try grafting later. Fortunately the scion came from another tree in the yard, so I do not have to hunt for a new scion.

And it took on the second try, yeah!
White mulberry is bearing fruits now, for some reason.
Congrats! My mulberries like to start flushing out when it gets slightly less oppressively hot. My "Australian" green/white mulberry is currently pushing out and ripening fruit too. My red everbearing one (no variety name) is flushing hard and fruiting some since I hacked it back to the main branches.
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Post by: Zafra on October 18, 2016, 03:00:11 PM
My second avocado graft take, in large part thanks to Carlos's video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg9T7rh2ed0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg9T7rh2ed0)), is a bud graft. Can anyone guide me as to the next steps? I already topped the seedling, but there's still a few inches of stem and 3 large leaves of the rootstock above the graft. When do I cut that off, and is there anything in particular to do to guide the development of the graft, or should I just let it do its thing?

(https://s12.postimg.cc/7elz8qbvd/oronegrobudgraft.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7elz8qbvd/)

(https://s12.postimg.cc/7snb8bvyx/oronegrobudgraft2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7snb8bvyx/)
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Post by: CTMIAMI on October 18, 2016, 10:43:05 PM
A beauty. Great Job!!!! Leave the root stock as long as possible, specially with this type of graft until one of the new shots is strong enough to be able to be tied  up to a support.
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Post by: Zafra on October 19, 2016, 09:57:33 AM
Thank you Carlos! And thanks for all your terrific videos. Will I want to eventually have only one shoot from the graft or is it ok to have one main one for the trunk and a couple of smaller branches from the graft? Also, if you have any fotos of this kind of grafts at more advanced stages I'd LOVE to see them. :)
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Post by: Samu on October 19, 2016, 11:00:07 AM
I did a few approach grafts of some annonas today, pictured here are three I did on a Big Red sugar apple. So far most annonas have been ready to separate in about 2-3wks from graft day.


Hi Dom, thanks for your excellent step by step photos of your approach grafting technique!
Question for you (and others): How do you line up the cambiums if the main trunk and the "approaching scion" are not of equal size? Or, in case of approach grafting, this cambium lining up is not as critical to... say a regular cleft graft?
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Post by: CTMIAMI on October 19, 2016, 05:36:09 PM
Thank you Carlos! And thanks for all your terrific videos. Will I want to eventually have only one shoot from the graft or is it ok to have one main one for the trunk and a couple of smaller branches from the graft? Also, if you have any fotos of this kind of grafts at more advanced stages I'd LOVE to see them. :)
That is the idea leave the strongest shoot, but while they are small let them grow a while longer until you can get the one a good support.  I may have photos but will have to find them first
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Post by: Guanabanus on October 19, 2016, 09:21:40 PM
When desperate, graft crooked, so that the cambiums are guaranteed to cross each other.
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Post by: fyliu on October 20, 2016, 02:26:22 AM
When desperate, graft crooked, so that the cambiums are guaranteed to cross each other.
That's what I do a lot of the time when the sizes don't match up.
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Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 20, 2016, 11:52:33 AM
dang bro, i have failed every time i tried to graft mulberry.

do you have the Himalayan Red?

it's one of my favorites...I'm noticing the tree grows much slower than than the Australian white....so far seems like it would be easier to keep small....I planted them at the same time, in the same row, and the red is 1/3 the size of the white.

The leaves on my latest mulberry graft just dried out, probably due to the cruel heat wave, or the tree is not directing enough energy toward it. Will wait it out or try grafting later. Fortunately the scion came from another tree in the yard, so I do not have to hunt for a new scion.

And it took on the second try, yeah!
White mulberry is bearing fruits now, for some reason.
Congrats! My mulberries like to start flushing out when it gets slightly less oppressively hot. My "Australian" green/white mulberry is currently pushing out and ripening fruit too. My red everbearing one (no variety name) is flushing hard and fruiting some since I hacked it back to the main branches.
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Post by: CTMIAMI on October 20, 2016, 03:42:58 PM
When desperate, graft crooked, so that the cambiums are guaranteed to cross each other.

I like this should go on a wall plate  :)
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Post by: funlul on October 21, 2016, 05:26:32 PM
dang bro, i have failed every time i tried to graft mulberry.

Ha mulberry tree has been very nice to me, fig tree is a close second. Avocado and loquat, not as much but we talk. Guava, enemies.

I have regular pakistani as rootstock, and my grafts are white paskistani, noir of spain, unknown "white" (with black fruits) and unknown "purple".
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Post by: Cookie Monster on October 21, 2016, 06:13:51 PM
Graft in the spring before bud break.

dang bro, i have failed every time i tried to graft mulberry.

do you have the Himalayan Red?

it's one of my favorites...I'm noticing the tree grows much slower than than the Australian white....so far seems like it would be easier to keep small....I planted them at the same time, in the same row, and the red is 1/3 the size of the white.

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Post by: Zafra on December 02, 2016, 01:46:25 PM
So here's how the avocado bud graft has progressed. Does it need support at this point or should I just let it do its thing?


(https://s15.postimg.cc/t24mm1oxj/oronegro_graft1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/t24mm1oxj/)

(https://s15.postimg.cc/wn53j0iuv/oronegro_graft2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/wn53j0iuv/)

(https://s15.postimg.cc/h2xpsh8qf/oronegro_graft3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/h2xpsh8qf/)
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Post by: Jsvand5 on December 02, 2016, 03:55:26 PM
I'd definitely stake it to help straighten it and keep it from snapping off. You can remove the portion of rootstock above the graft too.
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Post by: Zafra on December 02, 2016, 04:17:08 PM
thanks! does anyone have an image of how best to stake it? i really don't want to screw this up!
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Post by: Cookie Monster on December 02, 2016, 06:47:49 PM
Bend it and tie it to the rootstock.

thanks! does anyone have an image of how best to stake it? i really don't want to screw this up!
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Post by: Zafra on December 02, 2016, 06:50:41 PM
yikes! seriously? i'd be terrified of snapping it!
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Post by: Cookie Monster on December 02, 2016, 08:34:02 PM
Nah, I do it all the time. If you want to be ultra-careful, start by pulling it and tying it up half way. Then a week or 2 later, bend it the rest of the way and tie it.

yikes! seriously? i'd be terrified of snapping it!
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Post by: Jose Spain on June 17, 2017, 01:46:04 PM
Although I got a message warning me that this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days, since it seems to be the right one to post my questions and it has so much useful information, I will post here so your answers don't get lost for future readers (if I'm doing something wrong by posting here, please let me know so I don't make the same mistake again).

So my case is as follow: I'm getting next month several varieties of mango from Florida in order to graft them in Gomera 3 rootstocks. I'm planing to get about 3 scions of every variety to increase the chances of getting 1 success graft of each. After reading the whole 34 pages of this topic and some others in the forum, and watching several videos in youtube I think I'll try cleft grafting in most of the cases, but I'm thinking of trying as well some veneer graft. (I've being practincing with mangoes branches and graft seems easier to me).

My doubt is if is a good idea to make at the same time 2 veneer grafts in the same rootstock. I'm afraid that this could actually reduce the chances of having success since rootstock have to feed two scions instead of a single one, but I do not have experience grafting mangoes, so I might be wrong. I know people that make 3 chip budding grafts in the same peach rootstock, in order to ensure that at least one succeeds. I'm wondering about that because I have to drive quite a long distance to get my rootstocks and there is a limit of space in my car. If I could graft two scions in one rootstock, I would save space and money.

Second doubt is about fertilisation, I read some advice in this topic about using fertilisation to push the scions growing. My goal here is only to maximize the chances of the grafts succeeding, so I would like to know if fertilisation actually increase or reduces the chances of success. If it do increase it I'm wondering if using guano is a good idea. I used recently for very small seedlings of papaya that were getting yellow, and they seem very happy with it, growing now green and strong.



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Post by: Samu on June 17, 2017, 02:56:41 PM
When desperate, graft crooked, so that the cambiums are guaranteed to cross each other.

I keep this in mind, thanks a lot Har!

By the way; I've also found out, that I had some success cleft graftings by using 2 smaller scions side by side if the rootstock is about twice as large...; or by lining up only one side of the cambium if only 1 smaller scion is used...(sorry if this had already been covered in this thread, as I didn't read the entire 34 pages...)
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Post by: behlgarden on June 22, 2017, 10:33:40 AM
Peach cobbler graft wood took, wood was grafted with 3 branches. Multiple pushes. Nice.

(https://s17.postimg.cc/ah8vjca8b/20170621_191201.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ah8vjca8b/)
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Post by: Samu on June 22, 2017, 03:22:46 PM
Impressive! Veneer?

Looks like the scion's diameter is smaller then the rootstock's, is that so? Now I know that you can also do multiple branches on the scion to do grafting, thanks for posting this Behl!
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Post by: behlgarden on June 22, 2017, 05:06:57 PM
its cleft graft.  This was low branch of peach cobbler that I wanted to prune off, I prepped it and timed the graft to current heat wave, its been 10 days since I grafted it. it is pushing 8 branches to be precise. Yes, wood was mature wood a bit smaller than rootstock branch yes!

key is to prep first. otherwise its waste of time.
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Post by: cape coral Bob on July 08, 2020, 04:40:33 PM
ALOT OF GOOD INFORMATION IN THIS THREAD!  THANK YOU ALL!