Author Topic: Thai Dwarf Mulberries (Read 4688 times)

Kevin Jones · « **on:** September 16, 2019, 01:58:19 PM »

I have several Thai Dwarf Mulberries in pots and was considering setting out 2 of them in my backyard.
Anyone know if they are hardy in zone 8b? Tuscaloosa...Central Alabama?
I have one larger mother plant in a 25 gallon nursery bag which I plan to move into my greenhouse this fall.

Thanks for any input!

Kevin

achetadomestica · « **Reply #1 on:** September 16, 2019, 05:49:21 PM »

Where I am at in 9b it was the first mulberry to fruit last Spring and it fruited a solid 2 months.
It was in February when it started and there wasn't much to eat in my yard.
My 4' x 3' tree had a tremendous amount of fruit. A couple big handfuls every day.
For some reason the birds didn't figure it out like the previous year. They also have a unique flavor
and unless super ripe they are a little crunchy and don't make a big mess in your hands.
I would only put one tree out Kevin?

Kevin Jones · « **Reply #2 on:** September 16, 2019, 09:27:16 PM »

I like the way you think.
Thanks.

Kevin

sahai1 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 16, 2019, 09:47:50 PM »

what makes them dwarf? Never heard of these dwarf Thai mulberries in Thailand, although had some stunted Thai mulberries before I dug out and burned.

Kevin Jones · « **Reply #4 on:** September 17, 2019, 10:36:42 AM »

I didn't name them... I just call em what I've been told.
Dwarf may just be a relative term.

Kevin

spaugh · « **Reply #5 on:** September 17, 2019, 11:22:42 AM »

Kevin, can't help with the hardiness question but the the photo of a loaded dwarf thai tree was pretty impressive. Was tempted to buy one of these from flying fox but I cant justify 2 mulberry trees. The dwarfing would be nice though.

ricshaw · « **Reply #6 on:** September 17, 2019, 12:06:35 PM »

Quote from: sahai1 on September 16, 2019, 09:47:50 PM

what makes them dwarf? Never heard of these dwarf Thai mulberries in Thailand, although had some stunted Thai mulberries before I dug out and burned.

Maybe it is the more bush like growth vs. tall tree like growth.

Kevin Jones · « **Reply #7 on:** September 17, 2019, 01:23:22 PM »

Quote from: spaugh on September 17, 2019, 11:22:42 AM

Kevin, can't help with the hardiness question but the the photo of a loaded dwarf thai tree was pretty impressive. Was tempted to buy one of these from flying fox but I cant justify 2 mulberry trees. The dwarfing would be nice though.

I agree. That photo of Adam's sold me.
I'm rooting a bunch of cuttings right now... hopefully I can share them soon.

Kevin

sahai1 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 17, 2019, 07:35:50 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Jones on September 17, 2019, 10:36:42 AM

I didn't name them... I just call em what I've been told.
Dwarf may just be a relative term.

Kevin

just curious if your dwarf trees are staying small, if so how many years?

Just like 'dwarf' coconut trees, the dwarf term actually refers to earlier fruiting, not the actual height of the tree... dwarf coconuts will grow just as tall as other coconuts, just slower.

So perhaps dwarf mulberries just grow slower?

roblack · « **Reply #9 on:** September 17, 2019, 10:32:05 PM »

it definitely fruits when small, but so does Fl everbearing. seems less vigorous than FE.

since you have a few, put 1 in ground and see what happens.

Kevin Jones · « **Reply #10 on:** September 17, 2019, 10:41:41 PM »

Quote from: sahai1 on September 17, 2019, 07:35:50 PM

Quote from: Kevin Jones on September 17, 2019, 10:36:42 AM
I didn't name them... I just call em what I've been told.
Dwarf may just be a relative term.

Kevin

just curious if your dwarf trees are staying small, if so how many years?

Just like 'dwarf' coconut trees, the dwarf term actually refers to earlier fruiting, not the actual height of the tree... dwarf coconuts will grow just as tall as other coconuts, just slower.

So perhaps dwarf mulberries just grow slower?

I received a rooted cutting from Flying Fox this spring... as well as some cuttings which I rooted from Achetadomestica.
Since I've only had them one season... I can't speak to long term dwarfing characteristics.
They do root easily from cuttings. And when I cut back my mother tree last month... she started setting fruit right away.
Right now, I've got it wrapped in netting to keep the birds away. That way I should have a chance to try the fruit.

Kevin

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sahai1 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 18, 2019, 09:44:15 PM »

Some people like to cut to induce flowering, but in my experience prune the tree 15-20' high and thin it for efficiency, fruits will be much larger and juicer growing in shade of canopy. Birds will target water growth and leaders extending from crown (safer for them) leaving best fruit under crown for you.

Kevin Jones · « **Reply #12 on:** September 19, 2019, 06:22:29 PM »

Are they deciduous? Go dormant?

Kevin

sahai1 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 20, 2019, 02:23:21 AM »

If Thai kind.. nah, never seen leaf drop or dormancy, everbearing, never stop growing.

I did have 1 mulberry tree, perhaps this Thai dwarf you have. It never got taller than 5' after 2 years, and fruits were small and and sour from getting too much sun. I figured it was just stunted. Hardy as hell, dug it out and left it, and it just ignored that. Gave it to a friend to plant in a pot. This tree only fruited 2-3 times per year.

From my mother tree that I liked too cuttings and planted everywhere. All cuttings showed the same vigorous growth, 20' tall within 2 years.

roblack · « **Reply #14 on:** September 20, 2019, 08:21:05 AM »

Quote from: sahai1 on September 20, 2019, 02:23:21 AM

If Thai kind.. nah, never seen leaf drop or dormancy, everbearing, never stop growing.

I did have 1 mulberry tree, perhaps this Thai dwarf you have. It never got taller than 5' after 2 years, and fruits were small and and sour from getting too much sun. I figured it was just stunted. Hardy as hell, dug it out and left it, and it just ignored that. Gave it to a friend to plant in a pot. This tree only fruited 2-3 times per year.

From my mother tree that I liked too cuttings and planted everywhere. All cuttings showed the same vigorous growth, 20' tall within 2 years.

If the berries were small, probably not Thai Dwarf. This plant has larger berries, double or triple size of FE.

Kevin Jones · « **Reply #15 on:** September 20, 2019, 12:16:04 PM »

I agree with RoBlack... I just went out and looked at the fruit developing right now... and it is fairly large.

Kevin

sahai1 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 20, 2019, 05:39:41 PM »

pics? I don't know what FE is.

Quote from: roblack on September 20, 2019, 08:21:05 AM

Quote from: sahai1 on September 20, 2019, 02:23:21 AM
If Thai kind.. nah, never seen leaf drop or dormancy, everbearing, never stop growing.

I did have 1 mulberry tree, perhaps this Thai dwarf you have. It never got taller than 5' after 2 years, and fruits were small and and sour from getting too much sun. I figured it was just stunted. Hardy as hell, dug it out and left it, and it just ignored that. Gave it to a friend to plant in a pot. This tree only fruited 2-3 times per year.

From my mother tree that I liked too cuttings and planted everywhere. All cuttings showed the same vigorous growth, 20' tall within 2 years.

If the berries were small, probably not Thai Dwarf. This plant has larger berries, double or triple size of FE.

roblack · « **Reply #17 on:** September 20, 2019, 09:45:16 PM »

FE = Florida everbearing

Kevin Jones · « **Reply #18 on:** October 06, 2019, 12:02:56 PM »

I have several of these for sale if you are interested... Check out the Buy, Sell & Trade ad I have posted.

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=33721.0

Thanks.

Kevin

Francis_Eric · « **Reply #19 on:** October 07, 2019, 02:46:26 AM »

Could the dwarfimng be from a osage orange rootstock not certain myself they seem more bushy?
I've always Just put a tarp Under them Threw a rope over them with a weight attached , and shook them onto it.
otherwise being a kid and picking them was fun, but didn't think of that then.

No need to have a dwarf unless it's a space issue

otherwise makes good wine, and drying (and freeze drying) them unripe is very good.

Kevin Jones · « **Reply #20 on:** October 07, 2019, 12:31:44 PM »

Mine is just a rooted cutting... no citrus rootstock involved.

kj

Francis_Eric · « **Reply #21 on:** October 10, 2019, 01:33:09 PM »

Sorry for the confusion Osage Orange is not a actual Orange It's in the breadfruit Family (mulberry family) ,
and used for Che Rootstock a lot since it grows so weedy maybe I'm not certain.

Kevin Jones · « **Reply #22 on:** October 12, 2019, 11:46:43 AM »

These mulberries can easily be grown in a 5 gallon pot... and will fruit abundantly.

Cut them back hard and give them regular fertilization and you will be rewarded.

Kevin

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