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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 16, 2014, 11:56:31 PM
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Looks like my E. itaguahiensis plants are getting close to their first bloom.
They seem to grow faster than E. brasiliensis (common grumichama).
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Hi Adam,
I would be very interested to know if E. itaguahiensis tastes the same as regular grumixama. Use all your might to make these flowers turn into fruits.
Tomas
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Hi Adam,
I would be very interested to know if E. itaguahiensis tastes the same as regular grumixama. Use all your might to make these flowers turn into fruits.
Tomas
Tomas,
they're supposed to be blander than grumixama...but still a decent fruit...and the tree is much smaller....and it's also supposed to fruit sooner from seed...at only 2-3 yrs, instead of 3-4yrs.
I will be sure to let you know if I get some flowers/fruits this year
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I could be wrong but I must have mixed my itaguahiensis with the reinwardtianas , they look so much alike , so i am not sure what I planted in the ground .
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I have some itaguahensis here also. They haven't fruited yet, but will report when they do on their taste.
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this one is strangely missing on my myrtaceae collection!
can anyone help?...pleeeease!
Thanks in advance
Miguel.pt
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this one is strangely missing on my myrtaceae collection!
can anyone help?...pleeeease!
Thanks in advance
Miguel.pt
If mine fruit this year you'll have seeds Miguel .
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Luc, thank you very much!... you're the man!
I do have one here that should be similar to a small grumixama... in fact the Brazilian name is "grumixama mirim"... scientific name is Eugenia blastantha
Mine has some 3 or 4 years but no flowers yet... do you have this one Luc?... it's supposed the be even rarer than E. itaguahiensis
Guess who will get some seeds if mine fruits anytime soon?!
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Luc, thank you very much!... you're the man!
I do have one here that should be similar to a small grumixama... in fact the Brazilian name is "grumixama mirim"... scientific name is Eugenia blastantha
Mine has some 3 or 4 years but no flowers yet... do you have this one Luc?... it's supposed the be even rarer than E. itaguahiensis
Guess who will get some seeds if mine fruits anytime soon?!
Miguel , In the Lorenzi book the itaguahiensis is also called ' grumixama mirim '
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Yes Luc... in "Brasilian Portuguese" the word "Mirim" usually means "something small" and is used for a lot of fruits.
That is why the Rollinia emarginata is known as "Araticum-Mirim"... and there are a lot of myrtaceae species with small fruits that are known as "Guamirim"...like the Eugenia florida for instance.
take care
Miguel.pt
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Here's my 2-year-old plant:
(http://s28.postimg.cc/bmq1drkgp/IMG_2045.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bmq1drkgp/)
It is interesting to see how much more densely it seems to be growing under LED lights as compared to real sunlight. I still see no signs of flower buds, but it is only 2 years old...
Kevin
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I have one in the ground that I am sure is itaguahiensis , planted from seed in 2008 over 2 meters now , had one fruit last year , birds got it . Today I noticed something that looked like new flowerbuds ....will know soon enough.
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I have about 5 E. itaguahiensis seedlings in 3 gal pots (quite root bound)... one has commenced blooming. It also happens to be the smallest tree of the bunch.
(http://s18.postimg.cc/5duaz68qd/IMG_0640.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5duaz68qd/)
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Looks good, Adam. I still have the grafted plant I got from you. Not much growth lately but it's indoors for the winter.
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Looks good, Adam. I still have the grafted plant I got from you. Not much growth lately but it's indoors for the winter.
glad to hear from you!!
that was the only one I ever grafted! I need to make more! You might have the only one in the USA that's grafted!
good luck with your plant...i think it will flower in another year.
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Wow, I'm surprised you let me take it if was your only one! Do you remember if the rootstock is the same species?
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Wow, I'm surprised you let me take it if was your only one! Do you remember if the rootstock is the same species?
i grafted it onto grumixama...it took, but hung on by a thread (not unusual for myrciarias or eugenias to do this when grafted)
it should heal up nicely.
I sold it because it was replaceable (although it was the first one I grafted)....i wouldn't sell the mother plants though! I was happy to sell it to you, because you're a zone pusher, and you came to visit from so far away!!
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I'm still on the chase for this species... Luc, Adam, anyone... please help!
Thanks in advance!
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I'm still on the chase for this species... Luc, Adam, anyone... please help!
Thanks in advance!
if I get seed, you are first in line!
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I'm still on the chase for this species... Luc, Adam, anyone... please help!
Thanks in advance!
if I get seed, you are first in line!
Thanks my friend!... I'm crossing fingers here!
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anyone gotten fruits of this yet?
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a couple flowers opening today...I will say a prayer tonight to the Eugenia gods...Miguel needs my first born itaguahiensis!
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a couple flowers opening today...I will say a prayer tonight to the Eugenia gods...Miguel needs my first born itaguahiensis!
Adam...there are someone else praying too right on the other side of Atlantic ocean!... hope my prayer get to FL...
Thank you in advance
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Miguel,
I should know in a week or two if we get fruit set. I tried blowing on the flower to simulate the wind...maybe it will help pollinate? :-\
lol, or maybe my breath introduced some bacteria that will rot the flower off? :P
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Adam put me down for seeds as well
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Adam put me down for seeds as well
you have better chance of getting a rooted cutting or a grafted tree!
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Miguel,
a few more of the itaguahiensis seedlings have decided to flower. this one looks like it produces more flowers than any of the others....still no fruit set on the first tree..but it only had about 5 blooms...maybe one of the other seedlings will set fruits....
I will let you know!
(http://s17.postimg.cc/dzz6fgv4b/IMG_0867.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dzz6fgv4b/)
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Adam,
Still keeping my fingers crossed!
Thanks again!
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Miguel,
I guess when you have 5 trees, there's more of a chance to get lucky.
only one or two of the trees have held fruits so far..and not very many fruits (but had lots of flowers)....Im thinking if the poor fruit set wasn't because this is the first time it's flowered, it must be because it's root bound and in a greenhouse that gets about 100F.
either way, it's exciting to taste and fruit a brand new eugenia species...i'm not sure if anyone in the US has fruited this yet?
I notice the immature fruits have a very fine pubescence, unlike the common grumixama if I recall correctly.
let's hope each fruit has at least 2 nice seeds!! and they taste sweet!
Adam,
Still keeping my fingers crossed!
Thanks again!
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(http://s22.postimg.cc/7w0p3y5pp/IMG_1189.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7w0p3y5pp/)
second bloom
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Miguel,
the flavor is very good...pretty much exactly like grumixama...the skin is fuzzy though....funny they don't tell you this in the Brazilian fruits book...I guess you have to tune into the forum if you really want to get the skinny :P
email me your address...I have two fresh seeds, coming your way!
(each fruit had one seed...not too large either)
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Good to see them fruiting Adam!
I have just one itaguahiensis (in a container), bought last year from e-jardim. It´s a young plant with 1,20m tall, so, I think it will take one or two years before to fruit.
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You beat me to it Adam , no flowering this year or maybe the flowers got knocked of like with the Mex. Garcinia , they both do flower in Januari here .
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Luc,
i almost had an entire crop failure, but i put a dish underneath my 3 gal pots...now they are holding fruits better..
they've seen temps of over 100F in the green house...they handle it quite well.
Cassio,
my trees are only in 3 gal pots about 2.5-3ft...they are only about 3 yrs old!
they don't take too long to fruit! (I have 1-2 out of 5 plants that did not flower yet)
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Adam... you have mail... thank you in advance.
and I have good news for you too!
My Myrciaria cuspidata seems to be holding their first fruits now...
If everything goes well the biggest Myrciaria collection in the USA will get even bigger soon.
Thank again and all the best
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haha! great news.
looks like I will have to send out another Myrtaceous prayer to the man upstairs!Adam... you have mail... thank you in advance.
and I have good news for you too!
My Myrciaria cuspidata seems to be holding their first fruits now...
If everything goes well the biggest Myrciaria collection in the USA will get even bigger soon.
Thank again and all the best
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Adam... you have mail... thank you in advance.
and I have good news for you too!
My Myrciaria cuspidata seems to be holding their first fruits now...
If everything goes well the biggest Myrciaria collection in the USA will get even bigger soon.
Thank again and all the best
Hello Miguel! How are you? Do you think your cuspidata is diferent from the yellow cambuí we bought from Felipe? Thank's! ;)
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Adam... you have mail... thank you in advance.
and I have good news for you too!
My Myrciaria cuspidata seems to be holding their first fruits now...
If everything goes well the biggest Myrciaria collection in the USA will get even bigger soon.
Thank again and all the best
Hello Miguel! How are you? Do you think your cuspidata is diferent from the yellow cambuí we bought from Felipe? Thank's! ;)
Hello Luis,
The one from Filipe is completely different from M. cuspidata... I strongly suspect that the "Cambui amarelo da Serra" from Filipe is in fact the Eugenia acutata.
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Adam... you have mail... thank you in advance.
and I have good news for you too!
My Myrciaria cuspidata seems to be holding their first fruits now...
If everything goes well the biggest Myrciaria collection in the USA will get even bigger soon.
Thank again and all the best
Hello Miguel! How are you? Do you think your cuspidata is diferent from the yellow cambuí we bought from Felipe? Thank's! ;)
Hello Luis,
The one from Filipe is completely different from M. cuspidata... I strongly suspect that the "Cambui amarelo da Serra" from Filipe is in fact the Eugenia acutata.
Really? This is rare isn't it? By the way all trees and plants i get from you and Felipe are doing great! ;D
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Adam... you have mail... thank you in advance.
and I have good news for you too!
My Myrciaria cuspidata seems to be holding their first fruits now...
If everything goes well the biggest Myrciaria collection in the USA will get even bigger soon.
Thank again and all the best
Hello Miguel! How are you? Do you think your cuspidata is diferent from the yellow cambuí we bought from Felipe? Thank's! ;)
Hello Luis,
The one from Filipe is completely different from M. cuspidata... I strongly suspect that the "Cambui amarelo da Serra" from Filipe is in fact the Eugenia acutata.
Really? This is rare isn't it? By the way all trees and plants i get from you and Felipe are doing great! ;D
http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/eugeniaacutata.htm (http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/eugeniaacutata.htm)
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Mine finally fruited at 3 years old, in a 3-gallon pot:
(http://s8.postimg.cc/wmp9ydq69/Eugenia_itaghuaensis.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wmp9ydq69/)
(http://s8.postimg.cc/m7eibq3lt/Eugenia_itaghuaensis_fruit.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/m7eibq3lt/)
As Adam said, the fruit is slightly fuzzy; the one my plant chose to hold (of 2 flowers) ended up being slightly larger than a US quarter.
Kevin
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Kevin,
congrats!
your plant must be from the same batch of seeds as mine....it's like the exact same size!
nice working getting a lone plant to fruit...mine had tons of flowers, but only a few fruits...I think my greenhouse gets a bit too hot...I'm still trying to figure out the best way to keep it cool, with fresh air circulating.
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Looks good, Adam. I still have the grafted plant I got from you. Not much growth lately but it's indoors for the winter.
glad to hear from you!!
that was the only one I ever grafted! I need to make more! You might have the only one in the USA that's grafted!
good luck with your plant...i think it will flower in another year.
Did you make some more, Adam? :)
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Looks good, Adam. I still have the grafted plant I got from you. Not much growth lately but it's indoors for the winter.
glad to hear from you!!
that was the only one I ever grafted! I need to make more! You might have the only one in the USA that's grafted!
good luck with your plant...i think it will flower in another year.
Did you make some more, Adam? :)
not yet! but the time is now!
I'm going for the triple threat...grafting, marcotting, and cuttings!
(i think grafting maybe the easiest....but marcotting could prove to be an effective means of propagation)
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I was thinking maybe...maybe I get lucky and become a proud owner of your 2nd grafted plant when I see you next week. :)
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Looks good, Adam. I still have the grafted plant I got from you. Not much growth lately but it's indoors for the winter.
glad to hear from you!!
that was the only one I ever grafted! I need to make more! You might have the only one in the USA that's grafted!
good luck with your plant...i think it will flower in another year.
Did you make some more, Adam? :)
not yet! but the time is now!
I'm going for the triple threat...grafting, marcotting, and cuttings!
(i think grafting maybe the easiest....but marcotting could prove to be an effective means of propagation)
Hey Adam i'm in! ;D
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Kevin,
congrats!
your plant must be from the same batch of seeds as mine....it's like the exact same size!
nice working getting a lone plant to fruit...mine had tons of flowers, but only a few fruits...I think my greenhouse gets a bit too hot...I'm still trying to figure out the best way to keep it cool, with fresh air circulating.
My plant used to be about 2 feet taller, but got a haircut shortly before it flowered. Not sure if the trim job is what triggered it to flower.
Luckily the plant does seem to either be self-fertile, or can set fruit with E. reinwardtiana or E. neonitida pollen...
Kevin
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Adam... you have mail... thank you in advance.
and I have good news for you too!
My Myrciaria cuspidata seems to be holding their first fruits now...
If everything goes well the biggest Myrciaria collection in the USA will get even bigger soon.
Thank again and all the best
Hello Miguel! How are you? Do you think your cuspidata is diferent from the yellow cambuí we bought from Felipe? Thank's! ;)
Hello Luis,
The one from Filipe is completely different from M. cuspidata... I strongly suspect that the "Cambui amarelo da Serra" from Filipe is in fact the Eugenia acutata.
Really? This is rare isn't it? By the way all trees and plants i get from you and Felipe are doing great! ;D
http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/eugeniaacutata.htm (http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/eugeniaacutata.htm)
Luis and Miguel, couldn't the "cambui amarelo" sold by Filipe be EUGENIA LUTESCENS or MYRCIARIA DELICATULA instead? Cheers, T
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Adam... you have mail... thank you in advance.
and I have good news for you too!
My Myrciaria cuspidata seems to be holding their first fruits now...
If everything goes well the biggest Myrciaria collection in the USA will get even bigger soon.
Thank again and all the best
Hello Miguel! How are you? Do you think your cuspidata is diferent from the yellow cambuí we bought from Felipe? Thank's! ;)
Hello Luis,
The one from Filipe is completely different from M. cuspidata... I strongly suspect that the "Cambui amarelo da Serra" from Filipe is in fact the Eugenia acutata.
Really? This is rare isn't it? By the way all trees and plants i get from you and Felipe are doing great! ;D
http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/eugeniaacutata.htm (http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/eugeniaacutata.htm)
Luis and Miguel, couldn't the "cambui amarelo" sold by Filipe be EUGENIA LUTESCENS or MYRCIARIA DELICATULA instead? Cheers, T
Olá amigo! Hi! Well it's not for shure eugenia lutescens because i have it and it's very diferent. Regarding eugenia delicatula it's possible, but Miguel know it better than me... maby we will know only when it fruits. ;)
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Any updates, how did it perform through summer?
I'd be intreseted in getting this one growing, so let me know if someone have some seeds ;D
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Any updates, how did it perform through summer?
I'd be intreseted in getting this one growing, so let me know if someone have some seeds ;D
Easy to grow, a delicious fruit, much like grumixama.
mine withstood extreme heat, and even some drought..also they were extremely rootbound, but still happy.
i just repotted them...looks like they may flower again very soon...
i'm excited to get more fruits and seeds of this rare species.
i will post an update if they flower and fruit
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@adam: do you think it's worth having if you already have the regular grumichamma? dammit, when I think I'm done with getting more stuff, new stuff pops up.
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@adam: do you think it's worth having if you already have the regular grumichamma? dammit, when I think I'm done with getting more stuff, new stuff pops up.
honestly if you are after fruit quality, I recommend getting seeds from a tree that is known to be a superior type....(some seedlings are just bland and mealy)...even better would be to get scion from a good yellow grumixama!
Mike at Treesnmore has an orange one..i wanna graft from his tree if he still has it...i just haven't made time to graft grumixama this year....and hadn't had time to visit Treesnmore (i need to do that ASAP)
i tried to propagate my variegated grumixama, but all my grafts failed!
I have successfully grafted E. itaguahiensis onto E. brasiliensis (grumixama), but i sold that plant to a forum member...i wonder how it's doing?
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here is one of the itaguahiensis seedlings blooming heavily
I think its in a 10 gal...about 4ft tall
(http://s17.postimg.cc/oe6yge26z/IMG_0199.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/oe6yge26z/)
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Hi Adam
Excellent job!
beautiful seedlings!
here is one of the itaguahiensis seedlings blooming heavily
I think its in a 10 gal...about 4ft tall
(http://s17.postimg.cc/oe6yge26z/IMG_0199.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/oe6yge26z/)
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That looks awesome. I'm gonna pot one up into a bigger pot to see if I can get it a bit bigger.
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That looks awesome. I'm gonna pot one up into a bigger pot to see if I can get it a bit bigger.
+1
Adam, What sort of light/shade do they thrive in when young? Mine is still quite small though it has doubled in size (from 2" to 4" :-[). I have it in mostly shade (not deep shade) since it was rare, I only have one, and I had to twist your arm to get it.
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When my biggest ones were smaller I had them in full sun and they didn't like it much. Put them in 75% shade and they greened up nicely. Grow so slowly
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Hi,
I'm near the area of origin of E. Itaguahiensis, some 300 km from the coast of Rio de Janeiro, where this species is native.
Mine are in full sun, without irrigation, without treatment, only weeding and fertilizing with NPK.
Produced 3 years, I do not know if they grow in the shade.
I forgot one detail, I planted the trees in the place where we had a coffee plantation for over 50 years.
A lot of organic matter, much humus, most high potassium in the soil.
When my biggest ones were smaller I had them in full sun and they didn't like it much. Put them in 75% shade and they greened up nicely. Grow so slowly
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@adam: do you think it's worth having if you already have the regular grumichamma? dammit, when I think I'm done with getting more stuff, new stuff pops up.
honestly if you are after fruit quality, I recommend getting seeds from a tree that is known to be a superior type....(some seedlings are just bland and mealy)...even better would be to get scion from a good yellow grumixama!
Mike at Treesnmore has an orange one..i wanna graft from his tree if he still has it...i just haven't made time to graft grumixama this year....and hadn't had time to visit Treesnmore (i need to do that ASAP)
i tried to propagate my variegated grumixama, but all my grafts failed!
I have successfully grafted E. itaguahiensis onto E. brasiliensis (grumixama), but i sold that plant to a forum member...i wonder how it's doing?
Oh no! :'(
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How old is your big one Adam?
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How old is your big one Adam?
I have 5 all about same size , 4-4.5yr old??
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I have a dwarf grumixama in a pot of 40 x 30cm. It flowered for the first time last year, and gave me just a bunch of fruits.
I did an experience in march of this year:
I put the chopped peel of 5 bananas (rich in potassium) in 1.5 liters of water and boiled. Waited for the temperature decrease and filtered the liquid with a net to take off the shell.
Later, I watered the plants. After three sucessive waterings (two weeks), new buds and flowers appeared. The same happened to Dovyalis. :)
Other trees not bloomed, but surely had a better growth. Unfortunately, I don´t took pictures before watering to show you for comparison.
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That sounds pretty interesting cassio, might give that a try aswell. Mine are about 3yr old maybe, and around a foot and half tall. Pots are around 25-30 x 30cm.
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That sounds pretty interesting cassio, might give that a try aswell. Mine are about 3yr old maybe, and around a foot and half tall. Pots are around 25-30 x 30cm.
It worths the try.
The better is that you won´t have cost doing this.
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cassio, thanks for the idea! I had some flowers push out on my potted grumichamma and then the damn wind just blew them all off!
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Hopefully I'll get a few fruit from mine this year
(https://s8.postimg.cc/pl5il2mtd/Eugenia_Itaghuensis_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/pl5il2mtd/)
(https://s8.postimg.cc/brh5w1hdd/Eugenia_Itaghuensis_4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/brh5w1hdd/)
(https://s8.postimg.cc/ysxr1soqp/Eugenia_Itaghuensis_3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ysxr1soqp/)