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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: JF on September 11, 2013, 08:26:24 PM
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Gary will write the results late. Here are some pics of the tasting.
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La Habra's mangos except the Keitt
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Group picture left to right mangoprofessor, Bestday, JF, Ashok, Leo MangoDog, and Jim
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The spectacular lemon zest
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A fine group of mangos and an equally fine group of tasters!
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Cool!
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Very nice JF, I wish I could have snuck away to see you guys!
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J, sorry I couldn't make it. Looks like everyone had a great time. Keep up the good work!!! Maybe later this month you can stop by and taste some of what is left on the trees which are Maha, PSM, Rapoza, Edwards, Keiits, and Golden Lippens.
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You put the Florida mango tastings to shame.
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What a table of mangos! I'm still kicking myself for not being able to make it!!!
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What a beautiful group of mangos, and tasters as well. I only wish that I could grow mangos where I am, but unfortunately I am realizing that all mine will be getting the axe.
Richard
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That's a great showing (of both tasters and fruit) - can't wait to hear what the consensus was...
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And the winner is.....???
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The Paulito(?) look amazing, I wonder if they taste just as good?
Very nice collection, super envious as well
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JF,
Looks like an amazing tasting, I wish I could of came. Everyone looks like they had fun and a great tasting ;D.
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Awesome looking mangoes, the Lemon Zest cut open looks exceptionally delicious. I can't wait to read the reviews! Simon
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Way to go Californians! Keep up the good mango work.
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Wow, how cool! What sort of collection is this? Is it a germplasm?
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Wow, how cool! What sort of collection is this? Is it a germplasm?
I think more like mangophileoplasm. ;D I don't think there is any mango germplasm repository in California.
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Missed it this time too! damn! those mangoes look so amazing! next time lets coordinate so I can make special arrangements to make it!
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Awesome group. Next time I'd like to get up there and bring up some other varieties, just need to have it a little later, mine aren't all ready in September. I just had the Pim saen mun, small but super sweet.
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Group picture left to right mangoprofessor, Bestday, JF, Ashok, Leo MangoDog, and Jim
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Good looking group. Even better looking mangoes. Since I have not a single mango left on any of my trees, I am jealous. I am looking forward to the tasting results. I think your caption on the group ID is off as you go left to right.....isn't it? Thanks for posting.
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...yes it is Harry - after the first two mentioned, the next five (l-r) are: Ashok, JF, Leo, Gary (MDog) and Jim....I think JF was kind of doing it in 2 loose rows....for a VERY loose group of old farts!!!!! ::) Nah...really nice guys.... JF's son took the picture and engaged in the contest making it 8 participants... Also, the second picture, those local seedlings that JF had just swiped (with owner permission....I think!!!!) were not ripe so we could not taste them - the gorgeous Poulitos, Red Manilas, the larger Manilitas, Tundidor,and the 3 little "Tomato" mangoes (as I named them :P) looked rather intriguing sitting on the table
After everyone had arrived, JF gave a tour of his yard to those who hadn't seen it before. He sure does have a lot of varieties of mango, avocado, cherimoya, peaches, etc. packed into his not-so-large front and backyard. Everything looked very healthy. In fact, he has plans to very soon, pull out a bunch of plants to make room for the more sacred ones he wishes to keep and grow
Anyway, this non-blind taste test, based on the 4 categories of Color, Fiber, Taste and Aroma (with scores from 1-5, except taste which we weighted 1-10, with the higher number being the better quality) yielded these highly unscientific results, listed best to lowest score. All were grown by JF except where noted:
Malika
Lemon Zest
Spirit of 76
Kent
Alphonso
Haden
Glenn
Kensington Pride (from Leo's seedling tree)
Valencia Pride (from Florida)
Thomson (from Leo's seedling)
Keitt ? (Leo's - he felt this might not be one, but the rest of us thought it probably was)
Tomato (local seeding, unnamed)
Tundidor (local seedling)
Next year I think we will have blind tests, so there will no advantage to reputation, color, etc. Also, as always at these kinds of affairs, there will be some mangoes under and overripe, which was the case, allowing the judges an inferior product with which to rate. One other note, BestDay and I were the toughest judges for the most part, often yielding scores of 12,10 or even less, where Jim and Leo tended to score higher, often in the high teens and twenties, making the scoring probably quite representative of their overall appeal. And amazingly, with a couple of the lesser known to unknown varieties, the scores showed a wide range......which just goes to show you, there really is no standard or norm for subjectivity! There simply isn't....
After the tasting, the Mango Professor (Tim), gave a demonstration of a grafting method he developed using all three methods of cleft,butt and veneer. Ashok shot a video of it and will send to me and I'll post it here in the forum. It was rather brilliant (I thought) as it exposes the graft to twice as much cambium layer as a normal graft.
Tim also showed us how to...what's the word.....cultivate scions by taking failed flower stems of the mango tree, removing the dead stem as well as all the leaves down about 8 inches from the end and then waiting a couple weeks for the nutrients to be sent into the nodes of those cut-off leaves to swell, making them very advantageous for grafting - Ashok also took a video of this which I'll post at some point.
Tim also said that one of the ten new mango varieties he has recently developed (which are currently in the patenting process I Believe) actually survived field trials in Camarillo, CA, with overnight temps down to 25 degrees Fahrenheit! with no protection! I thought that was pretty amazing. That variety is called the Antonio mango, which you can see on his website. I know he won't mind if I link it here: http://www.socalplantbreeders.com/# (http://www.socalplantbreeders.com/#)!ventura-county-star-august-04-2013/cd5b
Afterwards, Jf gave a tour of the local neighborhood mango "scene" to Leo and Jim, having driven the Professor around prior to the start of the tasting event.....the rest of us having already paid and participated in the half hour nickel tour.
So that was it for 2013 as far as larger SoCal mango tastings. cuban007 might have a few things to sample at some point. Yes, Behl, you missed a large variety of the sweet stuff, Ethan you too, and sorry to anyone else from the area who couldn't make it. There's always next year folks. I'll be having mine in August again most likely, and this one probably about the same time as this year, depending on weather of course!
Gary
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Awesome Gary, thanks for the scores and info. JF and Gary, would you mind giving a description of how the Malika and Lemon Zest tasted in your own opinion? We're they both super sweet? Did LZ taste somewhat like orange sherbet? Thanks in advance!
Simon
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well Simon - this lemon zest at the tasting was NOT super sweet, but just kinda sweet -
it did have a hint of orange flavor too - very good - BUT, one that Frank gave me a few
weeks ago that I ripened on the counter and ate was much sweeter and more orangey
than this one. Both were fiberless.
Malika I had never had before and it was a winner - specifically, my alzheimers doesn't allow
me to remember a lot of details from the tasting, but it was very interesting with nice sweetness,
fiberless and some complexity. It was the first one we tasted so it was all downhill from there!
(at least for me!).
Why - do you have experience with them?
Gary
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Thanks for the descriptions Gary, I have a small lemon zest tree but it will likely not fruit for many years. I don't have a Mallika but have read great things about it. I like my mangoes very sweet and I like a strong tropical mango flavor and I don't like things too tart. I prefer the Haden and Kent type mango flavor more than the Alphonso type piney flavor although I do like Alphonso mango.
Simon
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I would like to thank everyone who participated especially Gary for all his extra help. I think the tasting went extremely well considering that I got back from Miami on Monday and was unsure if the mangos were properly ripen.
We had an expert panel of tasters so I feel confident that the final tally is fairly accurate. Next year Gary and I will join forces and have the tasting in August. We hope someone will step up and have tastings in late September and October. I still have late varieties that I can contribute to those who decide to host it.
In the absent of Edward Mallika stole the show with LZ a close second and Spirit of 76 not too far behind. Other that I liked Haden, Glenn, Kensington Pride and Thomson. The consensus was that LZ was improperly named because of its refreshing complex taste of Orange Sherbet.
Cuban007 I will stop by with my Thomsons, Choc Anons, Mallikas and maybe Alfonsos they should be ready by then.
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Great pic's and report on tasting all those mango's! 8) 8)
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Nice Pictures and a great report Gary..:)
Love that Lemon zest..:) Paulito is really pretty! How did it taste?
Looking forward to the seeing MangoProfessor on the grafting video..:)
Thank you for sharing.
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...yes it is Harry - after the first two mentioned, the next five (l-r) are: Ashok, JF, Leo, Gary (MDog) and Jim....I think JF was kind of doing it in 2 loose rows....for a VERY loose group of old farts!!!!! ::) Nah...really nice guys.... JF's son took the picture and engaged in the contest making it 8 participants... Also, the second picture, those local seedlings that JF had just swiped (with owner permission....I think!!!!) were not ripe so we could not taste them - the gorgeous Poulitos, Red Manilas, the larger Manilitas, Tundidor,and the 3 little "Tomato" mangoes (as I named them :P) looked rather intriguing sitting on the table
After everyone had arrived, JF gave a tour of his yard to those who hadn't seen it before. He sure does have a lot of varieties of mango, avocado, cherimoya, peaches, etc. packed into his not-so-large front and backyard. Everything looked very healthy. In fact, he has plans to very soon, pull out a bunch of plants to make room for the more sacred ones he wishes to keep and grow
Anyway, this non-blind taste test, based on the 4 categories of Color, Fiber, Taste and Aroma (with scores from 1-5, except taste which we weighted 1-10, with the higher number being the better quality) yielded these highly unscientific results, listed best to lowest score. All were grown by JF except where noted:
Malika
Lemon Zest
Spirit of 76
Kent
Alphonso
Haden
Glenn
Kensington Pride (from Leo's seedling tree)
Valencia Pride (from Florida)
Thomson (from Leo's seedling)
Keitt ? (Leo's - he felt this might not be one, but the rest of us thought it probably was)
Tomato (local seeding, unnamed)
Tundidor (local seedling)
Next year I think we will have blind tests, so there will no advantage to reputation, color, etc. Also, as always at these kinds of affairs, there will be some mangoes under and overripe, which was the case, allowing the judges an inferior product with which to rate. One other note, BestDay and I were the toughest judges for the most part, often yielding scores of 12,10 or even less, where Jim and Leo tended to score higher, often in the high teens and twenties, making the scoring probably quite representative of their overall appeal. And amazingly, with a couple of the lesser known to unknown varieties, the scores showed a wide range......which just goes to show you, there really is no standard or norm for subjectivity! There simply isn't....
After the tasting, the Mango Professor (Tim), gave a demonstration of a grafting method he developed using all three methods of cleft,butt and veneer. Ashok shot a video of it and will send to me and I'll post it here in the forum. It was rather brilliant (I thought) as it exposes the graft to twice as much cambium layer as a normal graft.
Tim also showed us how to...what's the word.....cultivate scions by taking failed flower stems of the mango tree, removing the dead stem as well as all the leaves down about 8 inches from the end and then waiting a couple weeks for the nutrients to be sent into the nodes of those cut-off leaves to swell, making them very advantageous for grafting - Ashok also took a video of this which I'll post at some point.
Tim also said that one of the ten new mango varieties he has recently developed (which are currently in the patenting process I Believe) actually survived field trials in Camarillo, CA, with overnight temps down to 25 degrees Fahrenheit! with no protection! I thought that was pretty amazing. That variety is called the Antonio mango, which you can see on his website. I know he won't mind if I link it here: http://www.socalplantbreeders.com/# (http://www.socalplantbreeders.com/#)!ventura-county-star-august-04-2013/cd5b
Afterwards, Jf gave a tour of the local neighborhood mango "scene" to Leo and Jim, having driven the Professor around prior to the start of the tasting event.....the rest of us having already paid and participated in the half hour nickel tour.
So that was it for 2013 as far as larger SoCal mango tastings. cuban007 might have a few things to sample at some point. Yes, Behl, you missed a large variety of the sweet stuff, Ethan you too, and sorry to anyone else from the area who couldn't make it. There's always next year folks. I'll be having mine in August again most likely, and this one probably about the same time as this year, depending on weather of course!
Gary
I like to correct of few things in Gary's report.
The VP and Kent are from ft Myers. The la Habra seedling were donated to us. The seedling with a pink flush is Paulito and the large red one is Manolito.
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Wow that looks like a great taste testing. I would also like to participate next year if possible. Malika, lemon zest and spirit of 76 were the top dogs? I was not aware that there were so many varieties available in Cali. I would be interesting in trading some mango scion wood for other plants if anyone is interested. I have lots of seedlings I want to graft to better varieties. I am growing manila, miracle, "Taiwanese", alphanso, and haden.
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Wow that looks like a great taste testing. I would also like to participate next year if possible. Malika, lemon zest and spirit of 76 were the top dogs? I was not aware that there were so many varieties available in Cali. I would be interesting in trading some mango scion wood for other plants if anyone is interested. I have lots of seedlings I want to graft to better varieties. I am growing manila, miracle, "Taiwanese", alphanso, and haden.
Gary(Mdog) and I will have a mega mango tasting in august next year so we can accommodate 10-12 people. We hope we can persuade other mango growers in SoCal with later ripening seasons to hold one in September and October. Between us we have over 20 varieties and we will be adding some more. I have miracle mango aka choc anon ripening right now they are sweet but not much more going on with that variety.
Murray, I saw that you grow mamey and guanabana in your greenhouse have they fruited for you??
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Hi there, so all those mangos were locally grown?
Anything similar happening in north san Diego County?
Great pics
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Yes, Eddie - locally grown except where noted...
Green Thumb - the Paulito was not ripe, so it did not get tasted...
JF - if you can let Ashok know that if he sends me that video i can post
it here on the forum....thanks amigo.....
Gary
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JK - I just got the Miracle mango, was hoping it was going to be a good one and got sold on the idea that it has multiple sets of fruits. Sad to hear its not too tasty
Last year when I left for china, I had a mamey tree that was covered with fruit. I dont know what happened to it but I think the person I had you helped me take care of it part time might have killed it. I have others that should be close to flowering and I have a Pouteria hypogluaca that looks like it has at least one fruit still growing on it. Most of my other pouterias have not set yet, but hopefully that will change soon(have a spanish cherry that is flowering, flowering sapodillas, flowering black sapotes, and others). I have only fruited cherimoya in greenhouse and this is its first year with fruit. There was a fruiting tree of soursop at cal poly pomona in their biotreck greenhouse along with cacao and a few others.
In Santa Monica farmers market where I work every Wens-day there is a farmer that grows mangos in the salton sea area. She sells valencia pride and Keits*(might be kents) and I have to say that the valencia pride mangos that they sell are the best I have tried in Cali.
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JK - I just got the Miracle mango, was hoping it was going to be a good one and got sold on the idea that it has multiple sets of fruits. Sad to hear its not too tasty
Last year when I left for china, I had a mamey tree that was covered with fruit. I dont know what happened to it but I think the person I had you helped me take care of it part time might have killed it. I have others that should be close to flowering and I have a Pouteria hypogluaca that looks like it has at least one fruit still growing on it. Most of my other pouterias have not set yet, but hopefully that will change soon(have a spanish cherry that is flowering, flowering sapodillas, flowering black sapotes, and others). I have only fruited cherimoya in greenhouse and this is its first year with fruit. There was a fruiting tree of soursop at cal poly pomona in their biotreck greenhouse along with cacao and a few others.
In Santa Monica farmers market where I work every Wens-day there is a farmer that grows mangos in the salton sea area. She sells valencia pride and Keits*(might be kents) and I have to say that the valencia pride mangos that they sell are the best I have tried in Cali.
Murray, too bad about your mamey. I had Wong's VP and Keitt in Santa Monica a few years ago.
Gary, Ashok will be in contact with you.
here are some pics of my crammed yard..
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Murray - that would be Wong's farms at the Northshore of the Salton Sea.
BestDay was just there not 3 weeks ago and picked up a box. But she,
I forget her first name, will not give tours. Some of these ops are very
secretive, probably to not encourage thieves.... :P
And I can confirm - JF's yard is a lesson is Plant density!!!!!!!
;D
Dog of the Mango
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Murray - that would be Wong's farms at the Northshore of the Salton Sea.
BestDay was just there not 3 weeks ago and picked up a box. But she,
I forget her first name, will not give tours. Some of these ops are very
secretive, probably to not encourage thieves.... :P
And I can confirm - JF's yard is a lesson is Plant density!!!!!!!
;D
Dog of the Mango
Gary, had a small tasting with some of the mangos left. Here is how they placed: Malika, Paulito, Manolito, Choc Anon, Red Manila and VP came in last.
Malika won again( best mango i've had this year) Paulito had edwardesque taste little spice complex and very very fruity totally fiberless. Manolito was a little bruised but it had little fiber and the full mango taste....the two La Habra locals are definately worth propagating. Red Manila had a nice mild sweet flavor with no fiber totally different than the red Manila from Tustin that you had.
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JF, how was the Ice Cream mango I left you? I still haven't tried one. But I do have one ripening on the counter as I type.
Bill
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JF, how was the Ice Cream mango I left you? I still haven't tried one. But I do have one ripening on the counter as I type.
Bill
Bill,it will be ready tomorrow. I really like Ice Cream mango so it should be a nice treat.
I had a tomato mango this morning quite a unique tasting mango....I really enjoyed it. Jim and Leo are lucky to have scion.
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Looks like a bromance to me, tropical style. ;)
Thanks for sharing. I've got a Mallika coming next week via Pine Island.
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Looks like a bromance to me, tropical style. ;)
Thanks for sharing. I've got a Mallika coming next week via Pine Island.
Thanks Mark. You will really enjoy the Malika it's an incredible mango! I leave it on the tree until it colors up and then let it ripe in the fruit bowl.
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Thanks Mark. You will really enjoy the Malika it's an incredible mango! I leave it on the tree until it colors up and then let it ripe in the fruit bowl.
Appreciate the info JF! Notes taken. I'm excited.
BTW, had a nice conversation with a friend of yours at Pine Island who spoke very highly of you - Martha. Keep up the good work!
While I have your attention, do you think spacing a Pickering and a Mallika about 6' apart is pushing it? Jim at Pine Is. thinks so, but you seem to cram your trees in like me so I wanted your opinion. They're going into a large greenhouse but after these 2 mangoes go in...... this house is now fully occupied. ;) (Also have citrus and avocados in the ground in the greenhouse.)
Best,
Mark
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Thanks Mark. You will really enjoy the Malika it's an incredible mango! I leave it on the tree until it colors up and then let it ripe in the fruit bowl.
Appreciate the info JF! Notes taken. I'm excited.
BTW, had a nice conversation with a friend of yours at Pine Island who spoke very highly of you - Martha. Keep up the good work!
While I have your attention, do you think spacing a Pickering and a Mallika about 6' apart is pushing it? Jim at Pine Is. thinks so, but you seem to cram your trees in like me so I wanted your opinion. They're going into a large greenhouse but after these 2 mangoes go in...... this house is now fully occupied. ;) (Also have citrus and avocados in the ground in the greenhouse.)
Best,
Mark
Yes Martha is a sweetheart...I didnt get a chance to see her on my visit to Miami last week.
Six feet is pushing it but if you dont have a choice what can you do...doesnt hurt to try. I have my Pickering 4' apart from my LZ. Mango trees grow very slowly here in Socal compare to Miami and if you keep them under 8' you should be ok you will still get plenty of fruits. here is a pic of my Pickering that I put in the ground 2 monthas ago infront of the LZ. and to the right about 8' is my Glenn.
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Thanks Mark. You will really enjoy the Malika it's an incredible mango! I leave it on the tree until it colors up and then let it ripe in the fruit bowl.
Appreciate the info JF! Notes taken. I'm excited.
BTW, had a nice conversation with a friend of yours at Pine Island who spoke very highly of you - Martha. Keep up the good work!
While I have your attention, do you think spacing a Pickering and a Mallika about 6' apart is pushing it? Jim at Pine Is. thinks so, but you seem to cram your trees in like me so I wanted your opinion. They're going into a large greenhouse but after these 2 mangoes go in...... this house is now fully occupied. ;) (Also have citrus and avocados in the ground in the greenhouse.)
Best,
Mark
Mark, six feet is a piece of cake. You should see how I have mine planted.
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Thanks for the pics and ratings. It's great to know there are fine mangos growing in California. If Florida falls into the ocean I plan to float on over your way.
Cuban007, have you posted pictures of your mango trees as spaced? I think we'd be interested in your technique.
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Thanks for the pics and ratings. It's great to know there are fine mangos growing in California. If Florida falls into the ocean I plan to float on over your way.
Cuban007, have you posted pictures of your mango trees as spaced? I think we'd be interested in your technique.
Thanks mangomandan come on down to SoCal especially during cherimoya and mandarin season in the winter.
Cuban007, you got to break out and show the world your unbelievable collection!!
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Thanks for the advice fellas and sharing that photo JF!
Martha also fondly called you her friend Cuban007. We were talking about this website and names popped up. Looks like it's a pretty tight knit community.
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Yes, Danny boy....we can grow mangoes here but I still think your climate is better for growth, faster that is.....now as far as HEAT - I beat you all out here in the desert, and I'm waiting to see how that affects all the different varieties as we go forward.....
plus if I can do a little horn tooting - our mangeos don't have as many black spots as yours do!
:o
Anthracnose, the constant companion........and yes, Dan,we'll let you float on in, accesorizing with mango colors of course.....and good luck Texas Mark!
Gary
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Thanks for the pics and ratings. It's great to know there are fine mangos growing in California. If Florida falls into the ocean I plan to float on over your way.
Cuban007, have you posted pictures of your mango trees as spaced? I think we'd be interested in your technique.
Thanks mangomandan come on down to SoCal especially during cherimoya and mandarin season in the winter.
Cuban007, you got to break out and show the world your unbelievable collection!!
Here is a small peek of a small part of my on going project.
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o119/danielcuba/20130919_084501_zpsb6b4b646.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o119/danielcuba/20130919_084515_zpsbc91bf7f.jpg)
Maybe next year when things look better I will do a video of the whole collection. I am still testing different fertilizer, fertilizer schedules, and tracking the results. Showing it with pics will be very tedious.
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Thanks for the advice fellas and sharing that photo JF!
Martha also fondly called you her friend Cuban007. We were talking about this website and names popped up. Looks like it's a pretty tight knit community.
Martha is great. She has helped me find a lot of plants that I have been looking for. She knows a lot of people in the business.
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Thanks for the pics and ratings. It's great to know there are fine mangos growing in California. If Florida falls into the ocean I plan to float on over your way.
Cuban007, have you posted pictures of your mango trees as spaced? I think we'd be interested in your technique.
Thanks mangomandan come on down to SoCal especially during cherimoya and mandarin season in the winter.
Cuban007, you got to break out and show the world your unbelievable collection!!
Here is a small peek of a small part of my on going project.
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o119/danielcuba/20130919_084501_zpsb6b4b646.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o119/danielcuba/20130919_084515_zpsbc91bf7f.jpg)
Maybe next year when things look better I will do a video of the whole collection. I am still testing different fertilizer, fertilizer schedules, and tracking the results. Showing it with pics will be very tedious.
Wow!!! Now that's a field of mangos!! These trees are growing by the minutes! I just saw them three weeks ago and they have a new flush! Congratulations on a job well done my friend!!!!
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Very nice trees I like your close lay out, everything looks healthy and happy!!Great job thanks for posting.
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Nice mango orchard you got there, :).
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Nice mango orchard you got there, :).
That's just a small portion of his collection
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That is just insane! Nice....thanks for sharing!
Mark
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I'm a little curious to the spacing on these trees? Seems to be a little close, but im no expert. I'm also in zone 9B Ca in Temecula Valley (dessert sun). My property is about a quarter acre and definately would like to have a few mango trees..... Wasn't sure i could space as close as these pictures shown... I plan on getting a LZ, COCO cream, Carrie, and probly ether Malika, Maha, or NAM for the last 3. However... I think i need at least 10 foot spacing. If i can squeeze it down to 7 ft spacing, I can have my own Mango Grove Paradise.
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I'm a little curious to the spacing on these trees? Seems to be a little close, but im no expert. I'm also in zone 9B Ca in Temecula Valley (dessert sun). My property is about a quarter acre and definately would like to have a few mango trees..... Wasn't sure i could space as close as these pictures shown... I plan on getting a LZ, COCO cream, Carrie, and probly ether Malika, Maha, or NAM for the last 3. However... I think i need at least 10 foot spacing. If i can squeeze it down to 7 ft spacing, I can have my own Mango Grove Paradise.
Clay
What is your strategy for protecting your mangos during the cold snaps? Rudy Haluza( mr El Bumpo)lost rows of cherimoyas in his Temecula farm due to frost years ago and they are hardier than mangos.
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Well....I'm assuming there's no freeze cloth to cover a 15-20 ft tree is there lol.... I've been doing a little research and im hearing a few tales of heat generators, christsmas lights, hard mulching covering the base of the trunk...
Top tropicals is telling me not to worry once they mature, just ot keep them potted for a year or 2 and garage them on days of frost. She told me mature Mango trees can withstand cold temps below freezing for a couple of hours....Then again she could be just trying to sell me a few trees.
Other than that i really have no clue as to my options... The only other thing i can think of is to but condo sized trees and keep them garaged during the cold snaps...But that would take my Dream Mangoes LZ, CoCo Cream, and Carrie right off the list....such a delimma.
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Well....I'm assuming there's no freeze cloth to cover a 15-20 ft tree is there lol.... I've been doing a little research and im hearing a few tales of heat generators, christsmas lights, hard mulching covering the base of the trunk...
Top tropicals is telling me not to worry once they mature, just ot keep them potted for a year or 2 and garage them on days of frost. She told me mature Mango trees can withstand cold temps below freezing for a couple of hours....Then again she could be just trying to sell me a few trees.
Other than that i really have no clue as to my options... The only other thing i can think of is to but condo sized trees and keep them garaged during the cold snaps...But that would take my Dream Mangoes LZ, CoCo Cream, and Carrie right off the list....such a delimma.
Clay
You'll need to protect them the first few years until they are well establish. The high density orchard in this thread is in the inland empire design by Cuban007 to combat cold weather. You might want to ask him about his project.
MangoDog is another poster who has a lot of great ideas and experience with 9B zone. You might also consider Tim Thomson's cold hardy mangos he has spend a lifetime breeding mangos in marginal growing conditions.
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Thanks JF!
I left Mango Professor an email and he got back with me ASAP and told me of all his great cultivars created for the valley climate we have in Southern Ca that will survive the random 25 degree snaps we can get through the years. Looks like their in High Demand too...2 of the best selling varieties he has are on Back order until 2015 FML... Has anyone had a chance to sample Mango Professors great creations? I'm sure they taste amazing.
I still don't want to rule out LZ, Coco Cream, and Carrie...Also Malika seems to be top nothc as well considering it beat out LZ on your last mango sampling you guys held in SEPT.
However thanks JF for bringing it to my attention.. I would be devasted paying so much for these trees investing time and money just to see them die after several years during a cold snap.
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Temecula gets really cold in the winter. I would definitely go with one of MangoProfessors varieties. If you are still interested in some of the other named cultivars, perhaps try grafting them onto the cold hardy rootstock, no sure if it will impart cold tolerance but it's worth a shot. Multiple rootstocks may also help your plants withstand adverse conditions but this is just speculation on my part.
Simon
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Thanks Simon,
Unfortunately I'm just a novice.... Brand new Home owner without any experience growing plants and trees. However my Green Thumb looks to be getting Greener witth the Landscape. But I'd say I'm a long ways off before i start grafting anything.
This is my First Winter in Temecula and we haven't broke 32 but maybe once for an hour this year... However The record lows i read up on gives me chills lol Seems like I will need to purchase somehting from mango Professor, but i still have my eye on LZ, Coco cream and Carrie. Has anyone here in the SOCAL region tryed any of Mango Professors Amazing trees?
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Temecula gets really cold in the winter. I would definitely go with one of MangoProfessors varieties. If you are still interested in some of the other named cultivars, perhaps try grafting them onto the cold hardy rootstock, no sure if it will impart cold tolerance but it's worth a shot. Multiple rootstocks may also help your plants withstand adverse conditions but this is just speculation on my part.
Simon
Great idea Simon but don't forget the NDM. I have to confess that's not of my favorite mangos but how can you go wrong with a tree that has multiple crops. Here is an example of how the flower year round. I will have close up pic of the large NDM later
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(http://s2.postimg.cc/p5ggxmxbp/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/p5ggxmxbp/)
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Nam Doc mai was also in the top 5 battle with Malika and Miha...Clearly Malika earned its place after beating out LZ from yalls Sept sampling... So I'm thinking it's a battle between Miha and Nam Doc mai to fit that 5th spot.... Time to scour the Forums and see where they place...If only i can taste them for myself. :'(
I've also ruled out Orange Sherbet because of it being argued that it's too similar to LZ. Also ruled out Pineapple Pleasure , another new variety just released..Not sure if I'm into a tart Mango tasting similar to Pineapple...I need sweet balance. However Mr. Professor has a variety called Pineapple Mango that i would like to try for myself.
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