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Title: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: DurianLover on January 25, 2013, 08:58:41 AM
Untill I tried this durian never understood people's obsession with bitter durians, as I could hardly notice bitter flavor it in any premium varieties. However this durian changed everything!
I managed to get custom deal from the vendor, and got one premium variety and only half of Black Thorn durian. Complex flavor and strong bitter trailing taste lingers in the mouth for a good amount of time after each bite.  It really cannot be compared to any other durian. Actually I ate another premium cultivar D24 after this, but creamy and sweet was just so ordinary! I'm now totally hooked on Black Thorn's complex flavor. If I had to choose Musang King (D197) or Black Thorn, I would not know what to pick. They are both totally different with their own unique flavors and complexity.
If you are ever in Kuala Lumpur it is a must try!

ps. Hopefully in couple years grafted plants will start to appear in nurseries.

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Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most expensive durian in the world.
Post by: red durian on January 25, 2013, 09:09:15 AM
Wow, so expensive.  Sounds delicious, though.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most expensive durian in the world.
Post by: bangkok on January 25, 2013, 09:13:30 AM
In Thailand they pay 2-300 us$ for a durian from Nothaburi. This one is a cheapo then.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most expensive durian in the world.
Post by: murahilin on January 25, 2013, 12:04:49 PM
RM25 is about $8. That's not expensive at all. Is it actually a different price? If its not, change the subject of your post.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most expensive durian in the world.
Post by: TREESNMORE on January 25, 2013, 12:56:45 PM
bangkok      are you saying that in thailaind they pay two hundred to three hundred dollars for one fruit from Nothabori.  How big are the fruit
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most expensive durian in the world.
Post by: Mike T on January 25, 2013, 01:20:09 PM
Laplae and chantaburi 1 are really expensive in thailand and gumpun as well as luang can be.D24 is considered poor quality outside Malaysia's borders and people outside wonder why it is loved in Malaysia.DL do you know the black thorn's real name or letter ID.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most expensive durian in the world.
Post by: Recher on January 25, 2013, 07:12:30 PM
At Kuala Terengganu the trucks from Johor laden with durians arrived late afternoon for ebening sales when the durian kawkers set up in front of the main market.

Musang king was most expensive at 30R / kg. D24 think 15 R / kg and kampong 5-8R
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most expensive durian in the world.
Post by: bangkok on January 25, 2013, 07:19:23 PM
bangkok      are you saying that in thailaind they pay two hundred to three hundred dollars for one fruit from Nothabori.  How big are the fruit

Yes 2-300$ a fruit. They pay half the price to make a reservation  for a fruit and the other half on delivery.

I think they are normal size (have no idea actually) it has to do with status of buying the best fruit availlable and then money plays no roll.

Compare it with japanese paying 10-50k us$ for a bluefin tuna. I guess also in Japan people pay extraordinary prices for fruits that are rare and high on the status ladder. Japanese also pay like 3-400 us$ for a kilo of the best beef (Wagyu or Kobe beef) which is also for sale in Bangkok.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most expensive durian in the world.
Post by: Mike T on January 25, 2013, 07:44:03 PM
There are direct flights between Japan and even China and my hometown.They receive reef fish and some fruits from here and pay crazy prices in Tokyo.DL did you compare D197 and D175 (red prawn)?
I wonder what chantaburi 1 would fetch and of the other durios what genuine D.macrantha would be worth?
It seems lin and long laplaes are in the greatest demand right now but this will probably change when they get planted everywhere to cash in.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most expensive durian in the world.
Post by: DurianLover on January 25, 2013, 10:31:51 PM
RM25 is about $8. That's not expensive at all. Is it actually a different price? If its not, change the subject of your post.

It is more expensive than Musang King, so yes it most expensive durian. Off season fruit, or when this or any premium durians reach Singapore prices are higher. That does not really count.
In packaging you see only half durian. Black thorn durian on average is 2 kg, so 50 RM per fruit. That is 17 USD.
Considering average Malaysian earning power about 3 times less than in USA, can you imagine spending $50 on one fruit in USA? For average Malaysian it is very expensive. You can have nice lunch from street hawker for 5 RM.

As far as Nonthaburi durian, it is common Kan Yao (long stalk) durian. You can grafted plants in many markets. In Malaysia this durian still has inferior status. News about $300 durian picked up from original article and than spread like wild fire over the the internet by journalist looking to sensationalize. Probably somebody paid $300 for a durian, I don't know, but I'm yet to find documented proof with any growers, sellers, buyers that these kind of transactions taking place every year. Until further evidence I'm going to put $300 durian in internet gossip category for now.
Also just about every durian orchid in Nonthaburi was destroyed by the floods 2 years ago, so very likely those trees do not even exit anymore.

Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most expensive durian in the world.
Post by: DurianLover on January 25, 2013, 10:44:27 PM
Laplae and chantaburi 1 are really expensive in thailand and gumpun as well as luang can be.D24 is considered poor quality outside Malaysia's borders and people outside wonder why it is loved in Malaysia.DL do you know the black thorn's real name or letter ID.

It is brand new variety, probably not even letter ID assigned. Can't find any info. Look for it to become very popular years down the road. I'm not the only one raving about wow factor of this durian:
http://makansodap.blogspot.com/2012/01/so-many-durian.html (http://makansodap.blogspot.com/2012/01/so-many-durian.html)
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most expensive durian in the world.
Post by: fruitlovers on January 26, 2013, 01:40:54 AM
RM25 is about $8. That's not expensive at all. Is it actually a different price? If its not, change the subject of your post.

It is more expensive than Musang King, so yes it most expensive durian. Off season fruit, or when this or any premium durians reach Singapore prices are higher. That does not really count.
In packaging you see only half durian. Black thorn durian on average is 2 kg, so 50 RM per fruit. That is 17 USD.
Considering average Malaysian earning power about 3 times less than in USA, can you imagine spending $50 on one fruit in USA? For average Malaysian it is very expensive. You can have nice lunch from street hawker for 5 RM.

As far as Nonthaburi durian, it is common Kan Yao (long stalk) durian. You can grafted plants in many markets. In Malaysia this durian still has inferior status. News about $300 durian picked up from original article and than spread like wild fire over the the internet by journalist looking to sensationalize. Probably somebody paid $300 for a durian, I don't know, but I'm yet to find documented proof with any growers, sellers, buyers that these kind of transactions taking place every year. Until further evidence I'm going to put $300 durian in internet gossip category for now.
Also just about every durian orchid in Nonthaburi was destroyed by the floods 2 years ago, so very likely those trees do not even exit anymore.

Murahilin, Durian lover gave a good answer. $8 in USA is not the same as $8 in Malaysia. You need to consider how long a person in each of these countries needs to work to earn $8. In USA a worker might have $8 in 1/2 hour of work. In Malaysia it could take them all day or longer to make that much money. So spending a whole day's wages or more is whole lot of money for one fruit.
Also it's not fair for same reason to compare what people pay in US dollars in Japan with what people will pay in Malaysia in US dollars. Again Japanese workers make tremendously more money than Malaysian workers.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most expensive durian in the world.
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on January 26, 2013, 09:07:39 AM
When last in Thailand, just trying to obtain the Kan Yao from this district was near impossible.  And only from this district are they this expensive.  Good marketing on their part for sure.  Even if only half that price, that is still expensive no matter what part of the world you are from!

My mother-in-law came across another durian variety in the market a while back...will have to look up the name.  It was explained to her as being on old world favorite which fell out of grace when the newer cultivars popped up.  It has since made a comeback from a farm we visited.  Very very expensive and they actually mail order the fruit.  More good marketing!  Every fruit is claimed well in advance with quite a waiting list.  They were boxing up the very last fruit of the season when we arrived.  This same farm had the 300 year old mangosteen trees and 150+ year old rambutans.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most expensive durian in the world.
Post by: bangkok on January 26, 2013, 10:53:44 AM
The 2-300 Durian is not a one-time deal, they book the fruits allready when they are very small and still on the tree. This happens every year and now after the flooding the price is maybe even higher, i don't know.

It is a hype among rich people to tell the neighbours that they booked a fruit, Thai  people like to show their money. Maybe they live in a crappy house but buy those fruits. I see many who have the newest iphone and had to  pay 2 month salary's for that, that is quite normal here. Everything for the show.

But if you don't believe it that's  fine.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most expensive durian in the world.
Post by: DurianLover on January 26, 2013, 09:32:20 PM
The 2-300 Durian is not a one-time deal, they book the fruits allready when they are very small and still on the tree. This happens every year and now after the flooding the price is maybe even higher, i don't know.

It is a hype among rich people to tell the neighbours that they booked a fruit, Thai  people like to show their money. Maybe they live in a crappy house but buy those fruits. I see many who have the newest iphone and had to  pay 2 month salary's for that, that is quite normal here. Everything for the show.

But if you don't believe it that's  fine.

Ok, maybe it does happen every year.  I removed "the most expensive in the world" :)

Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most expensive durian in the world.
Post by: murahilin on January 26, 2013, 10:22:49 PM
Murahilin, Durian lover gave a good answer. $8 in USA is not the same as $8 in Malaysia. You need to consider how long a person in each of these countries needs to work to earn $8. In USA a worker might have $8 in 1/2 hour of work. In Malaysia it could take them all day or longer to make that much money. So spending a whole day's wages or more is whole lot of money for one fruit.
Also it's not fair for same reason to compare what people pay in US dollars in Japan with what people will pay in Malaysia in US dollars. Again Japanese workers make tremendously more money than Malaysian workers.
I fully understood his reasoning but it did not justify the title of being the most expensive. Think of it like his, a Bugatti is a multi million dollar car but to a billionaire it isn't that large of a percentage of his income but it will still be one of the most expensive if not the most expensive car in the world. Compared to a thousand dollar Tata car in India which is a much larger percentage of some person making $1 a day who may never be able to afford that thousand dollar car, it still does not make the Tata car the most expensive car in the world.  Most expensive in Malaysia, or most hyped as he changed the title to, would be a much better title.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most expensive durian in the world.
Post by: fruitlovers on January 26, 2013, 10:44:45 PM
Murahilin, Durian lover gave a good answer. $8 in USA is not the same as $8 in Malaysia. You need to consider how long a person in each of these countries needs to work to earn $8. In USA a worker might have $8 in 1/2 hour of work. In Malaysia it could take them all day or longer to make that much money. So spending a whole day's wages or more is whole lot of money for one fruit.
Also it's not fair for same reason to compare what people pay in US dollars in Japan with what people will pay in Malaysia in US dollars. Again Japanese workers make tremendously more money than Malaysian workers.
I fully understood his reasoning but it did not justify the title of being the most expensive. Think of it like his, a Bugatti is a multi million dollar car but to a billionaire it isn't that large of a percentage of his income but it will still be one of the most expensive if not the most expensive car in the world. Compared to a thousand dollar Tata car in India which is a much larger percentage of some person making $1 a day who may never be able to afford that thousand dollar car, it still does not make the Tata car the most expensive car in the world.  Most expensive in Malaysia, or most hyped as he changed the title to, would be a much better title.

I was only commenting on the first part of your reply:

"RM25 is about $8. That's not expensive at all."
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: murahilin on January 26, 2013, 10:50:42 PM
Oh, I didn't mean that it wasn't expensive to them. I was fully aware of their income differences and how $8 has a different purchasing power there, I was referring to his claim of it being the most expensive in the world because I have seen and heard of durian that are more expensive that $8 for half a fruit. I probably should have explained myself better. Sorry.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: msk0072 on February 03, 2013, 01:48:14 PM
As I remember this is a picture of Kan Yao durian. The durian are sold in a big market in Bangkok and the price is 250-300THB per kilo (about 7,5€/Kg).
(http://s3.postimage.org/4nf3v80u7/100_2045.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4nf3v80u7/)
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: bangkok on February 03, 2013, 08:04:08 PM
On the Kasetsart agriculture fair i saw some shops who only sell durian tree's. They had many species and i saw a poster of a red durian hanging there. So the red one will come to Thailand as well i guess.

Too bad that those sellers don't speak english and only write labels in thai alphabet so i cannot tell you which species were for sale.

Also for the mango-tree's they sell loads of red species now so in a few years we will see them on the markets.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: DurianLover on February 03, 2013, 08:09:27 PM
As I remember this is a picture of Kan Yao durian. The durian are sold in a big market in Bangkok and the price is 250-300THB per kilo (about 7,5€/Kg).
(http://s3.postimage.org/4nf3v80u7/100_2045.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4nf3v80u7/)

So? How was it? How does it compare to D24 you had? At 7,5€/Kg is expensive even for Westener, since those durians look like 3 kg or so..
Still few dollars cheaper per kilo than Musang King in Singapore.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: msk0072 on February 05, 2013, 08:14:45 AM
As I remember this is a picture of Kan Yao durian. The durian are sold in a big market in Bangkok and the price is 250-300THB per kilo (about 7,5€/Kg).
(http://s3.postimage.org/4nf3v80u7/100_2045.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4nf3v80u7/)

So? How was it? How does it compare to D24 you had? At 7,5€/Kg is expensive even for Westener, since those durians look like 3 kg or so..
Still few dollars cheaper per kilo than Musang King in Singapore.
I didn't taste it :( Instead of Kan Yao I had more Monthong durians ;)  They are cheaper at 2-2,5€/Kg on the street and they taste superb.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: Mike T on February 05, 2013, 08:25:52 AM
bangkok don't believe everything you hear and only half of what you see with durians.Some people call D164 red durian.
Montong and Kan yeow are not that different really and both can be superb.It is hard to compare them to the good Malaysian types but they probably appeal to more people being milder and more fleshy.I have had really expensive durians in a few places that have been poor quality.Price won't always tell you which durians will taste best to you.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: DurianLover on February 05, 2013, 09:50:05 AM
I would have spend that money, otherwise at least in my case I would regret for not trying new cultivar. In Borneo I tried D123 (chanee) for the first time. I knew that there is no way I'm going to eat 4 kg monster, but I spend $8 anyway. First bites fantastic, but quickly it becomes just ok. I guess if you like plain fat vanilla custard this durian is for you. I was missing Malaysian bitter/sweet instead of just Thai sweet. It is a matter of personal taste. However Thai durians are better value for poorer people. The durian I had would feed family of four, as flesh was thicker than Monthong.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: fruitlovers on February 05, 2013, 03:44:13 PM
bangkok don't believe everything you hear and only half of what you see with durians.Some people call D164 red durian.
Montong and Kan yeow are not that different really and both can be superb.It is hard to compare them to the good Malaysian types but they probably appeal to more people being milder and more fleshy.I have had really expensive durians in a few places that have been poor quality.Price won't always tell you which durians will taste best to you.

I disagree with you Mike. Kan Yao tastes very different from Monthong. And i think most Thais would agree with me, or they wouldn't be willing to pay the premium prices that Kan Yao always fetches. Hard to describe the difference, but to me the Monthong has a more fruity taste and the Kan Yao tastes more vegetable like, a bit more carrot like. Also the Kan Yao is a stronger tasting fruit. I didn't have any good Kan Yaos on this trip but have had superb ones during prime season: May-July.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: durianwriter on February 23, 2013, 03:12:49 AM
I also find Monthong and Gan Yao to be quite different. I can't stand Gan Yao, it's far too buttery and sweet for me, like an ultra-rich cake.

Mike, where did you find Chanthabur 1 for sale? I was under the impression that was only released to commercial market for the first time this year.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: Mike T on February 23, 2013, 04:04:44 AM
I only had seeds 3 years ago when the seed gestapo seized them at the airport.A farmer I know got them for me from a grower of them.A few were released a while ago but they are not in the markets.Long and Lin Laplaes are the hottest durians on the planet and hit the news 2 years ago in a blaze of glory.They were around for a long time.Chanthaburi 1 was bred a few years earlier than newspapers and journals suggest according to the procurer I had contact with.
Title: Mon Thong..Nonthaburi Durian
Post by: ajieloso on November 26, 2013, 03:08:50 AM
As i have been told by my thailand friend,Kan Yao is not the most expensive durian in thailand but Mon Thong is the most expensive durian in thailand(Nonthaburi).i was shocked when my friend told me the price but that's the fact.if any of the durian lovers have a friend in thailand or nonthaburi to be specific try ask them about mon thong and how much does it cost.my friend told me the fruit never reach the market because every each one of them already been booked while still up on the tree..how much is it per fruit?try to find out because to me it is ridiculously tremendously out of the world most expensive durian i have ever heard.just 1 piece of the mon thong durian you can buy 2 sets of the latest iphone.this is what i have been told by my thailand friend.
Title: Re: Mon Thong..Nonthaburi Durian
Post by: bangkok on November 26, 2013, 03:30:51 AM
As i have been told by my thailand friend,Kan Yao is not the most expensive durian in thailand but Mon Thong is the most expensive durian in thailand(Nonthaburi).i was shocked when my friend told me the price but that's the fact.if any of the durian lovers have a friend in thailand or nonthaburi to be specific try ask them about mon thong and how much does it cost.my friend told me the fruit never reach the market because every each one of them already been booked while still up on the tree..how much is it per fruit?try to find out because to me it is ridiculously tremendously out of the world most expensive durian i have ever heard.just 1 piece of the mon thong durian you can buy 2 sets of the latest iphone.this is what i have been told by my thailand friend.

Well i live in Nonthaburi and yes it is all true. Many duriantree's died after the flooding so the price might be higher now. When my own mongthong fruits i can tell you the difference between one from Nonthaburi and one from elsewhere. But it is just a hype among Thai people.   They just want something to talk about, everybody can buy a big Benz (if they are rich) but the durians you have to book and might be sold out. My duriantree is 125 cm tall now, i take bookings for the first fruits from 250 us$  ;D
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on November 26, 2013, 07:43:11 AM
Mon Thong is the most common and usually the lowest in cost.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: bangkok on November 26, 2013, 08:15:49 AM
Mon Thong is the most common and usually the lowest in cost.

I also have a gaan yeow tree to graft on it but first i 'm building a raised bed for it. It will be a cocktail durian tree.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: Mike T on November 26, 2013, 04:23:43 PM
Traditionally of the 4 common commercial thai durians, Chanee and Kradum are cheaper than Gaan Yeow and Monthong which are considered better quality.Other thai durians of perhaps better quality like luang and gumpun are not really grown commercially.People routinely pay over $US50 for a good durian here but I can't imagine it happening in thailand.
The old thai vs malaysian durian comparasons and opinions of which is better gets whelled out in many discussions.Many enthusiasts prefer the malaysian durian like red prawn,D197,D190 and penang 88 to any of the Thai types.Personally the larger, creamier 'more highly refined' thai durians appeal to me more. I value my luang and gumpun trees more highly than my red prawn and penang 88 and all 4 will be flowering next year with luck.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: shah8 on December 02, 2013, 02:28:11 AM
I think this article would be well placed here, google translated...

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25E9%2598%25AE%25E5%25A7%2593%25E8%258C%25B6%25E5%2595%2586%25E8%25A8%2582%25E8%25A3%25BD%25E7%259A%2584%25E5%25B0%258F%25E7%2599%25BD%25E8%258F%259C%26client%3Dopera%26hs%3D2YE%26channel%3Dsuggest&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=zh-TW&u=http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/jw (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25E9%2598%25AE%25E5%25A7%2593%25E8%258C%25B6%25E5%2595%2586%25E8%25A8%2582%25E8%25A3%25BD%25E7%259A%2584%25E5%25B0%258F%25E7%2599%25BD%25E8%258F%259C%26client%3Dopera%26hs%3D2YE%26channel%3Dsuggest&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=zh-TW&u=http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/jw)!87NQlqCHHAJnpewqv66W_w--/article%3Fmid%3D-2%26next%3D17564%26l%3Da%26fid%3D6&usg=ALkJrhh6qMHzE_453qzWfv2zfX0hj5j4iw
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: Mike T on December 02, 2013, 03:41:25 AM
Shah8 I can't get the site up, can other people?
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: fruitlovers on December 02, 2013, 04:59:46 AM
Shah8 I can't get the site up, can other people?

Yes i got it after copying and pasting the link, because part of it got cut off. Here is a shorter link to same site: http://tinyurl.com/knmqf28 (http://tinyurl.com/knmqf28)
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: DurianLover on January 01, 2014, 10:18:59 AM
Some updates on Black Thorn durian from my fellow Malaysian durian enthusiast and grower.
There was an application for D number. He thinks it will named D200. He totally agrees with my conclusion when I tasted it first. Look for it to become very popular in years to come. Looks like Black Thorn will join Musang King and Red Prawn to become holy trinity of Malaysian durians.
There seems to be mad hunt for authentic Black Thorn DNA. He said few years ago when he tracked down authentic Black Thorn in Penang, grower wasn't willing to sell a single scion even for 400 RM ($130) offer. Now that he managed to get Black Thorn and have it growing, he sells grafted trees for about 350 RM or $110 for approximately 1 gallon US equivalent.  Given income equivalent that would be like paying $350 for 1 gallon size grafted tree in USA. Now that is really insane price.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: waldi1 on January 09, 2014, 09:33:54 AM
Hi Durian Lover
I'm Interested in Black Thorn Durian Seeds.
Do  you know anyone or you yourself who can get his hands on that?
Helmut
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: bangkok on July 23, 2014, 11:53:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPnZP8_QjKE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPnZP8_QjKE)

Here is the world's most expensive durian on video.

3-600$ for a durian.

I don't understand how these durians can grow in such undeep soil. It is just above the waterline and that water is even moving with the tide so it is connected to the river. During the floodings the water level in the river had rised a few metres so it seems these tree's have been flooded and survived that. I didn't see any traces from the floods though.

Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: durianwriter on July 24, 2014, 12:59:12 PM
Hey guys!

I recently bought a Nonthaburi Ganyao for ..drum roll... $300. Yup. I'll let you know when I have money to buy new shoes.

But hey, it was worth $600, so sweet deal right?

Here's Part 1 of a 2 series article I wrote about the experience: http://www.yearofthedurian.com/2014/07/the-most-expensive-durian-in-world_8.html (http://www.yearofthedurian.com/2014/07/the-most-expensive-durian-in-world_8.html)

You can also watch this cool video my friend Mark did about our trip to Nonthaburi.
Amazing DURIAN at a Fruit Farm in Nonthaburi, Thailand (นนทบุรี) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPnZP8_QjKE#ws)

Also, here is a sweet pic of a Black Thorn :D

(http://s3.postimg.cc/meuljgf6n/P1017918_opto.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/meuljgf6n/)
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: bangkok on July 24, 2014, 01:31:52 PM
Did you see the markings left by the floods in that area? I wonder if those tree's have been flooded. Their roots sure must have been flooded because they are growing close to the waterline. I heard that many durianfarms are gone now because of that, this one must have been lucky or had a good trick.

And did you compare this top durian to a gan yao from the street? And......was it better ?
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: Mike T on July 24, 2014, 03:00:10 PM
Surely black thorn can't be more expensive than laplaes or Chanthaburi 1. If it is on par or better than gaan yeow it is a winner but like all durian taste questions it is likely to be very subjective.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: bangkok on July 24, 2014, 03:12:24 PM
Surely black thorn can't be more expensive than laplaes or Chanthaburi 1. If it is on par or better than gaan yeow it is a winner but like all durian taste questions it is likely to be very subjective.

Why black thorn can't be more expensive in Malaysia Mike? It is just a matter of how much status you get if you can afford those top-prices. Has nothing to do with the quality i think.

In Singapore they sold about 10 different durians peeled and packed in the supermarket. 3 of them costed 20% more then the others and they were Mao shan wang, red prawn and another one that i forget. I bought all 3 of them but unfortunately never got to eat them so i don't know if they were worth the extra money.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: durianwriter on July 24, 2014, 08:26:45 PM
I've seen (and eaten) Black Thorn between 28 Rm/kilo an 48 RM/kilo, so it is about the same price as Longlaplae (150 baht/kilo - 300 baht/kilo) and Linlaplae (400 baht/kilo, but can sell for as high as 800 baht/kilo)

The Nonthaburi Ganyao is far, far more expensive than any other durian, except maybe the 1,000 baht/kilo durians being sold in Rayong.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: DurianLover on July 27, 2014, 12:10:54 AM

Also, here is a sweet pic of a Black Thorn :D

(http://s3.postimg.cc/meuljgf6n/P1017918_opto.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/meuljgf6n/)

Hmmm..pointed end looks odd. I don't think its suppose to be like that. Do you have a picture from another angle where I can see entire open fruit? Once opened Black Thorn is one of the easiest durian varieties to identify. I don't think I will even have a problem with a black and white photo.

By the way, thanks for sacrificing that much money to expose "worlds most expensive durian".  Just as I was convinced all long. It was all hype with no substance. Some silly tradition among Bangkok's super rich. In my life I tried 3 GanYaos. Every time it failed to impress. Most recent one in Sarawak this year, immediately followed by Hor Lor. It was total blowout. Not even close. Ganyao was tasteless with lots if fiber.  It was final convincing point, and I thought to myself there is no amount of pampering, or "special Chantaburi soils" will ever improve this variety to deserve $300 price tag, and make it superior to Malaysian top tiers.

Edit: Forgot to mention, that Black Thorn finally answered my life long question. What's the quality difference between $10 vine bottle and $1000 vine bottle? Yes, its that different.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: fruitlovers on July 27, 2014, 04:23:35 AM
Is there something special about Nonthaburi Kanyao durian? Had Kanyao many times in Thailand and they were more expensive than other durians, but not nearly as astronomically expensive as you say: $300. :o
BTW, i really liked kanyao. Just the opposite of tasteless, durianlover. It has a very strong taste. My friend was not too fond of them because he said he detected a kind of  strong vegetable taste to them. But i didn't find that to be the case. I think it's a bit of an aquired taste, even for durian fans.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: durianwriter on July 29, 2014, 08:14:13 AM
Is there something special about Nonthaburi Kanyao durian? Had Kanyao many times in Thailand and they were more expensive than other durians, but not nearly as astronomically expensive as you say: $300. :o
BTW, i really liked kanyao. Just the opposite of tasteless, durianlover. It has a very strong taste. My friend was not too fond of them because he said he detected a kind of  strong vegetable taste to them. But i didn't find that to be the case. I think it's a bit of an aquired taste, even for durian fans.

i think what separates a Nonthaburi durian from the rest is the way it is treated - it's grown 100% organically and really pampered. I found that it did have a stronger, richer, and creamier taste/texture than other Ganyaos I've had, but I don't think a Nonthaburi durian tastes substantially different than any other Ganyao that is grown organically, fertilized well, and picked very close to ripeness.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: Triloba Tracker on July 29, 2014, 04:11:12 PM
Ok Lindsay, is that a Durian backpack?!? :o
Sorry your Nonthaburi Ganyao wasn't quite ready. Thanks for the video link. Mark is hilarious (in a good way, of course)
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: durianwriter on July 30, 2014, 07:26:54 AM
Ok Lindsay, is that a Durian backpack?!? :o
Sorry your Nonthaburi Ganyao wasn't quite ready. Thanks for the video link. Mark is hilarious (in a good way, of course)

Yes the backpack is my favorite fashion statement :)
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: fruitlovers on July 31, 2014, 04:46:18 AM
Is there something special about Nonthaburi Kanyao durian? Had Kanyao many times in Thailand and they were more expensive than other durians, but not nearly as astronomically expensive as you say: $300. :o
BTW, i really liked kanyao. Just the opposite of tasteless, durianlover. It has a very strong taste. My friend was not too fond of them because he said he detected a kind of  strong vegetable taste to them. But i didn't find that to be the case. I think it's a bit of an aquired taste, even for durian fans.

i think what separates a Nonthaburi durian from the rest is the way it is treated - it's grown 100% organically and really pampered. I found that it did have a stronger, richer, and creamier taste/texture than other Ganyaos I've had, but I don't think a Nonthaburi durian tastes substantially different than any other Ganyao that is grown organically, fertilized well, and picked very close to ripeness.
Thanks Lindsay. BTW i heard from another nurseryman that Kanyao does terrible here and he removed his trees. I have a bunch of other cultivars flowering up a storm right now. Will post photos in another thread.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: Triloba Tracker on July 31, 2014, 01:08:17 PM
Ok Lindsay, is that a Durian backpack?!? :o
Sorry your Nonthaburi Ganyao wasn't quite ready. Thanks for the video link. Mark is hilarious (in a good way, of course)

Yes the backpack is my favorite fashion statement :)

Super sporty!
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: ben mango on August 03, 2014, 01:46:29 AM
In Davao now there are Ganyaos available,, I haven't tried one yet because it seems like people here aren't that crazy about it. The puyat is good., as is Arancillo. The native I thought was just ok, I'm not overly impressed with what I've had here so far ,, except for the Marang :)
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: bangkok on August 03, 2014, 02:05:16 AM
In Davao now there are Ganyaos available,, I haven't tried one yet because it seems like people here aren't that crazy about it. The puyat is good., as is Arancillo. The native I thought was just ok, I'm not overly impressed with what I've had here so far ,, except for the Marang :)

Just try them, in Singapore they don't care for mongthong but in Thailand they love it.

Maybe you can get your hands on wild durian there, guess you didn't see them on hawaii before.

http://migrationology.com/2012/09/durian-obsessed-6-philippines-vacations-to-satisfy-yourself-with-the-king-of-fruits/ (http://migrationology.com/2012/09/durian-obsessed-6-philippines-vacations-to-satisfy-yourself-with-the-king-of-fruits/)
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: bangkok on September 05, 2014, 04:04:47 AM
Lindsay i have a new goal for your duriantrips. I was on the or-tor-kor market and saw durians for sale, i asked them how much they cost and it was 700 baht for a kilo, normal price for mongthong is about 60-70 a kilo so i asked which one it was and they said lap lae from Utteradit.

I thought they were trying to cheat me again but my wife told later me that the lap lae durian from Utteradit is something like the mongthong from Nonthaburi. That's why they were expensive.

So if you ever come back to Thailand you have to taste that one as well and tell us if it was worth the money.

Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: Pancrazio on September 05, 2014, 08:14:56 PM
Well, 700 baht/kilo makes me feel lucky for my 10€/kilo durian i can find here.
And makes me reconsider the idea of a trip to Thailand to feast on all the durian i can eat.
On the other hand my durian are usually unriped and starting to rot, so maybe a travel to taste the real deal may still be a reasonable option.  ;)
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: bangkok on September 06, 2014, 12:05:50 AM
Well, 700 baht/kilo makes me feel lucky for my 10€/kilo durian i can find here.
And makes me reconsider the idea of a trip to Thailand to feast on all the durian i can eat.
On the other hand my durian are usually unriped and starting to rot, so maybe a travel to taste the real deal may still be a reasonable option.  ;)

Well normal price is 60 a kg now and they are sold everywhere along the roads/markets. I guess if you go the chantaburi province they will even be cheaper, the euro is low now though.

I only see mongthong in my area, i want to taste the other ones as well. If you go to the touristic places you might end up between loads of Russians. The weather now is perfect, i like the rainy season more then dry period.
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: bangkok on September 06, 2014, 11:55:22 AM
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Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: Pancrazio on September 07, 2014, 07:30:54 PM
Well normal price is 60 a kg now and they are sold everywhere along the roads/markets. I guess if you go the chantaburi province they will even be cheaper, the euro is low now though.

I only see mongthong in my area, i want to taste the other ones as well. If you go to the touristic places you might end up between loads of Russians. The weather now is perfect, i like the rainy season more then dry period.

I'm sure that if I ever happen to travel to thailand to have a durian-centric holiday I should plan everything in advance, many things you are telling to me are pretty surprising! Never expected the raining season to be better of the dry season, neither i did expect for the durian to be available just as mongthongs. I did expect that a couple/3 varieties were available everywhere! Gosh, I have so much to learn!

By the way, i have really hard time understandin what's happening on that beach! :)
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: bangkok on September 07, 2014, 10:09:19 PM

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Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: Pancrazio on September 09, 2014, 07:32:16 PM
Wow! That's a lot of information! Thank you very much. Ideally, the best moment to visit Thailand for me would be during summer.

Regarding the scam of tourist, we have our fair share of problem, trust me. Living here, I have never experienced them first hand because of course I'm not the target, and usually i know how to deal with strangers approaching to me in streets, but for foreigners it can be pretty confusing. What helps here is the fact that police usually isn't corrupt and policemen who have an agreement with criminals are almost unheard of (of course we also have corrupt policemen but they aren't corrupted by scammers). The golden rule of the tourist should be never pay attention to someone who you haven't talked first, and be wary in every other case. Especially don't accept help, neither help anyone.  Worst places here are train stations and airports, and thing get worse around big cities, in other places you are pretty safe.
Mafia here actually is practically invisible. They do their work mainly corrupting the politicians, asking money from the retailers, selling drugs, buying companies. There's nothing a tourist has to worry about, at least in Italy. But smaller scam can be annoying!
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: bangkok on September 09, 2014, 09:01:49 PM
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Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: durianwriter on November 18, 2014, 10:04:23 PM
Lindsay i have a new goal for your duriantrips. I was on the or-tor-kor market and saw durians for sale, i asked them how much they cost and it was 700 baht for a kilo, normal price for mongthong is about 60-70 a kilo so i asked which one it was and they said lap lae from Utteradit.

I thought they were trying to cheat me again but my wife told later me that the lap lae durian from Utteradit is something like the mongthong from Nonthaburi. That's why they were expensive.

So if you ever come back to Thailand you have to taste that one as well and tell us if it was worth the money.

Hi Bangkok,
sorry to reply so late. I have tasted the Longlaplae and the Linlaplae and you can see them here: http://www.yearofthedurian.com/2014/07/first-group-durian-trip-uttaradit.html (http://www.yearofthedurian.com/2014/07/first-group-durian-trip-uttaradit.html)

I actually took a group of friends there, it was mega-fun :D I think we're going to do it again this year.

In Uttaradit the Longlaplae costs 200 bt/kilo and the Linglaplae was 400, but I have seen the Linlaplae sell for 800 earlier in the season.

I personally would never buy the Linlaplae as it fits its description - "milky" - and that's about it. Plus you buy mostly shell and very little flesh, so until I make more money or develop a taste for mild durians, this ones not worth it to m.

The Longlaplae is also mild, but a little bit bitter as well. When fully ripe (and the magic of Uttaradit is that if you go there they do let them ripen on the tree) they are pretty awesome. Of the durians, my friends liked it best. Bang for buck, I'd stick with Chanee. Here's a pic:

(http://s30.postimg.cc/odumqioy5/P1018451_opto.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/odumqioy5/)
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: bangkok on November 19, 2014, 12:19:08 AM
Lindsay i have a new goal for your duriantrips. I was on the or-tor-kor market and saw durians for sale, i asked them how much they cost and it was 700 baht for a kilo, normal price for mongthong is about 60-70 a kilo so i asked which one it was and they said lap lae from Utteradit.

I thought they were trying to cheat me again but my wife told later me that the lap lae durian from Utteradit is something like the mongthong from Nonthaburi. That's why they were expensive.

So if you ever come back to Thailand you have to taste that one as well and tell us if it was worth the money.

Hi Bangkok,
sorry to reply so late. I have tasted the Longlaplae and the Linlaplae and you can see them here: http://www.yearofthedurian.com/2014/07/first-group-durian-trip-uttaradit.html (http://www.yearofthedurian.com/2014/07/first-group-durian-trip-uttaradit.html)

I actually took a group of friends there, it was mega-fun :D I think we're going to do it again this year.

In Uttaradit the Longlaplae costs 200 bt/kilo and the Linglaplae was 400, but I have seen the Linlaplae sell for 800 earlier in the season.

I personally would never buy the Linlaplae as it fits its description - "milky" - and that's about it. Plus you buy mostly shell and very little flesh, so until I make more money or develop a taste for mild durians, this ones not worth it to m.

The Longlaplae is also mild, but a little bit bitter as well. When fully ripe (and the magic of Uttaradit is that if you go there they do let them ripen on the tree) they are pretty awesome. Of the durians, my friends liked it best. Bang for buck, I'd stick with Chanee. Here's a pic:

(http://s30.postimg.cc/odumqioy5/P1018451_opto.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/odumqioy5/)

That's a great report Lindsay, i bet you guys had a good time there. I didn't even know there were 2 laplae durians, they asked me 1600 a kg and last week 1000 a kg but i forgot which one they mentioned. For that money i would rather go to utteradit myself and buy them from the tree. But now this one is also on my to-do list. I even don't know if those prices for peeled or unpeeled durians.

I have my own durian mongthong nonthaburi tree, here it is and doing well. In the pond you see my white jaboticaba which i just put there and the whole pond-thing is currently under construction but you will get the idea with the orchid-arc above the pond.



(http://s30.postimg.cc/vyie7m5wd/Durian_mongthong_grafted.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vyie7m5wd/)
Title: Re: Black Thorn durian. Currently the most hyped durian in Malaysia.
Post by: Gone tropo on March 23, 2021, 09:33:19 PM
Seems Durian Lover was right, at time of posting this black thorn didn't even have a D number, it is now most popular is it not?