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Hello Oolie, and thanks for the confirmation.

Naturally I did note the thread date, but as there are references by some at the beginning to having tasted the OS variety, it was unclear to me if this is a brand new hybrid, or merely one that has caught on in popularity recently. As I did see the name "Zill" pop up throughout this thread, I did a google search on it this weekend, found a phone number in Boynton Beach, and had a nice conversation with an amiable gentleman named Walter Zill--we talked about mango trees for a good 20 minutes.

I asked Mr Zill if the OS variety will grow into a 50ft behemoth of a tree if left to its own devices, to which he replied, "they all will, eventually."

Be that as it may, I'm going to attempt to shoehorn this 6ft/7gal Orange Sherbet into the limited space I have remaining on my already well-planted property, and try to keep on top of the pruning, as suggested here. I'm intrigued by this one, and for $45, it was reasonable.

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Plant an average mango tree at your place of work and plant OS where you live. At work your tree can be raided before the OS fruits are ripe

I took your advice and bought something called a Valencia Pride tree in a 7gal size from Wal-Mart this morning for $30, and I stuck it in the ground at work this afternoon.

What's curious is that I find no pictures of mature Orange Sherbet trees via google searches. Are these that recent of a hybrid that none have grown to full maturity yet?


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Hello:

Just picked up an Orange Sherbet tree at a very good price. My question: how tall are these at mature size? Shall I expect the Orange Sherbet to grow to a 50' tree?

Thank you!

You are already committed and bought into a great variety, so plant now and hope for no winter freeze, though out on your island this is doubtful.

Hello Zands--

There is an enormous open space outside my work (with permission) where I had intended to plant it. When my wife began researching this variety and reading the rave reviews about it today, she suggested we keep it. Problem is that we already have many fruit trees on our property and available space would be limited to a tree with only a 10-12' canopy; certainly not a 40-50' monster.

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We are in 10a as well, and we are having great success with our Oro Negro: highly recommended.

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Hello:

Just picked up an Orange Sherbet tree at a very good price. My question: how tall are these at mature size? Shall I expect the Orange Sherbet to grow to a 50' tree?

Thank you!

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I should mention that I used native sandy/loamy soil that I dug out from planting four 25gal green buttonwood mixed with a large bag of topsoil and two medium bags of composted manure. There is no issue here with the soil draining; my only concern is keeping the infrequent flooding of brackish water away from the roots.

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Thanks for all the suggestions. I realized that my drop pile was overflowing with 2- and 3-ft sections of 2"x6" and 2"x8" pressure treated boards from recent projects (I never throw anything out, much to my wife's chagrin) and so I spent yesterday afternoon fashioning together a raised bed out of vertical 18" boards. There were enough sections to make the bed nearly 4 1/2' x 4 1/2' square.

Naturally this 30gal Oro Grande has been grafted, but I have no idea what rootstock was used. I wouldn't attempt to do a graft myself; above my pay grade, I'm afraid. I bought the biggest Oro Grande I could find, as most of the growers I called told me that larger trees are at a premium and generally not available right now due to the hurricane back in September.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grumichama 2018
« on: May 13, 2018, 11:30:29 AM »
Your close to Bradenton so you probably just need to water daily with a lot of water around end of Jan or start of Feb. for 3 - 4 months & I bet it will bloom

Thanks for the tip. I do have a drip line that waters it 3 times a week, but next January I will bump it up to daily watering.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grumichama 2018
« on: May 12, 2018, 07:57:19 PM »
I bought a 15- or 20-gal grumichama two years ago, planted it in a raised bed, regular water/fertilizer. No fruit. In fact, I don't think the tree looks any different now than it did when I planted it 2 years ago. So it goes.

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Thanks Mike--

Those do look interesting, and not all that pricey, actually.

I do have quite a bit of pressure-treated lumber, so I think I will go ahead and use it. Is 4' x 4' too small for an avocado tree? I find curiously little info on the internet about size recommendations pertaining to (avocado) trees in raised beds...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Building a raised bed/tree: How big?
« on: May 12, 2018, 08:59:26 AM »
Good day--

As I am two blocks from the Gulf of Mexico and storm surges 2-3 times each summer leave a few inches of brackish over my property, I have my citrus trees in raised beds constructed from landscape ties or 2" x 12" PT lumber. In the past I have made the beds 6' x 6' square, but this requires many trips to the box store for bags of compost and soil in my small Fiat.

At any rate, I have just purchased a 30gal Oro Negro avocado, and from google searches, I see many references to avocado trees and 4' x 4' raised beds. The 4' x 4' seems excessively small for sufficient root growth. On the one hand my space is limited and I would be much happier with an Oro Negro that only grows to 12' or so without having to constantly prune it, but I'm not sure if 4' x 4' is ok for an avocado tree, as my experience is that their roots are shallow & wide.

May I know your thoughts?

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Hi, and thanks to both for your advice/confirmations. One thing that does make me nervous is that I am 2 blocks from the Gulf of Mexico here on a barrier island, and usually two times or so each summer, there is flooding during storms. I will be putting the Oro Negro in a raised bed, though the future does not bode well for living at sea level in Florida (not to get political).

One other concern. We planted a 15gal Day variety about 4 years ago. By the second year we had it it set fruit for the first time, and I am embarrassed to admit we were not aware that first-year avocado fruit should be pulled off so as not to inhibit growth of the young tree. There was an enormous yield (and very good flavor, I might add). The next year--last year--produced maybe 4 avocados. This year there was what appeared to be a large amount of avocados budding, but none did. Quite a bit of leaf/branch growth, but no avocados. Is this anything to be worried about, or will the tree be producing avocados in another year or two?

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PS-- Tough crowd. A very tough crowd.

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I did make the executive decision to go with the Oro Negro; hopefully I can keep it pruned to a manageable 15ft tall/10ft canopy.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: May 07, 2018, 10:57:30 AM »
Hello:

I did post a separate thread on this, but can anyone opine on the Oro Negro or the Wurtz avocado trees? We have tried--and loved--the Oro Negro, but our space is limited and we do not have room for a 30ft tree with an enormous canopy. Thus we are considering the Wurtz. How is the flavor of the Wurtz? Can the Oro Negro be pruned and confined to a height of 15ft or so, and a diameter of 10ft?

Thanks!

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Good afternoon:

We live on a barrier island off the Gulf Coast of Florida and as we have a planting area of @10-12ft in diameter available, we would like to plant a second avocado tree to compliment the Day variety that we already have on our property. A big issue is space: There simply isn't room for a tree that will develop into a 20ft canopy or will grow to be 30ft tall. My wife and I have tried the Oro Negro which tastes great, but not the Wurtz. The Oro Negro and the Wurtz are two trees that we have access to in 25gal containers.

From what I am seeing and hearing from growers, the Oro Negro will grow to be 30ft tall...in 25 or 30 years. I suppose it can also be pruned if it gets to be too big. What attracts us to the Wurtz is that it appears to be the only true "dwarf" avocado tree that will fit nicely into the limited space we have available.

Any thoughts, opinions, or experience that anyone may be able to share?

Also, how much of an impact does having an A-flower avocado tree (such as our Day) planted in relatively close proximity to a B-flower avocado tree in terms of yield?

Thank you.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Day Avocado...Help!
« on: September 24, 2015, 01:20:25 PM »
Hi John--

The tree was already @4'-5' tall when we bought it from a landscaper, and it has just about doubled in size since it was planted in March of 2013. The tree is more than 2 1/2 years old; I should have clarified that.

Natural rainwater is the only irrigation this tree receives, though does it appear the problem is from soggy/rotting roots? Is it a question of having produced too many avocados? Any suggestion as to what I can do now to revive it to full health?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Day Avocado...Help!
« on: September 24, 2015, 10:21:59 AM »
We got @50 great avocados off this tree this summer amidst these black splotches as photographed. The tips of the two main branches are getting worse & worse. Anyone have experience with this problem?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Day Avocado...Help!
« on: September 24, 2015, 08:14:00 AM »
Hello Carlos, and thanks for your response--

The avocados have all been picked off of the tree (as of 1 week ago now). What would have caused both the black splotches and the tips to turn black? When you say it will take a long time to recover, are we talking a year? Is there anything else I can do now?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Day Avocado...Help!
« on: September 23, 2015, 11:44:04 PM »
Hello--

My Day Avocado tree was planted 2 1/2 years ago, and it had been doing very well up until it first started growing avocados in the early spring/late winter. Since then, the branches have been wilting and large black splotches have appeared. After propping the main branches with Y-shaped wood crutches, the main branches have returned to their "normal" shape, but the secondary branches are limp like wet spaghetti, and some of the main branch tips are turning black. I did spray liquid copper all over the tree about 2 months ago as my local nursery advised, but I see no change.

This particular avocado tree has 3 main branches...one is doing reasonably well, but the other two show blackness from their outer tips to about 2' or so in. The leaves look good, with minor yellowing toward the top of the tree.

I am suspecting too much water as the culprit, yet none of my other fruit trees, vegetables, or shrubs are having any problems. I should also mention that in this, the first year of harvest, the tree in question has yielded approximately 50 avocados. All advice welcomed!






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