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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: do you bare root when potting up ?
« on: February 12, 2016, 10:59:10 AM »
Quote from: DimplesLee on February 12, 2016, 02:17:00 AM
I think this works in a perfect soil setup - esp if they did controlled trials where she had an army of assistants monitoring everything. In poor soil (12-16 inches topsoil, deeper than that is old backfill typical of old QLD houses) or volcanic Sandy layer over lava and pumice boulders - bareroot+root pruning is going to be a waste of money and plant torture. Yes, I try my best to amend soil for a large diameter hole, but unless I bulldoze a whole hill or excavate an entire backyard then backfill/mound up with 100% perfect compost mix, I prob won't risk a bareroot+rootprune combo.

Another thing about her study, is that she is in Washington state.  So I would be she is talking about dormant fruit trees like Cherries, Peaches, plums, ect,  Which can take bare rooting just fine in the winter.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: do you bare root when potting up ?
« on: February 12, 2016, 01:50:19 AM »
Quote from: venturabananas on February 12, 2016, 01:27:22 AM
Google Linda Chalker-Scott Horticultural Myths.  Apparently some people who seem to know what they're talking about advocate bare-rooting or nearly bare-rooting container plants prior to planting out.  Personally, I tend to follow Rob's advice and leave well enough alone.

She says take out the potting soil before planting and cut off any swirly roots, which she has some good reasons for, but does not talk about what kind of tree this works on. However I stand by that doing this for a non dormant tree is really risky.  Silly PHDs.

http://puyallup.wsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/403/2015/03/fragile-roots.pdf

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: do you bare root when potting up ?
« on: February 11, 2016, 10:29:29 PM »
There might be a better way, but I take a large sharp knife, and slice a 1/2 inch off the sides and bottom, then repot.   If there's only a few swirled roots, I clip them with pruners.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: do you bare root when potting up ?
« on: February 10, 2016, 10:30:12 PM »
With compaction, I've taking trees out of the small pot, pruned the roots around the outside and bottom, then put them in bigger pots and they usually do pretty well.   No need to take all the dirt off...  However Sometimes the dirt falls away, or the dirt ball breaks apart, and then I quickly get them in the pot and water.... if the climate is perfect, they might survive this... if it hot and dry out, they die.  If it's cold and moist out they die.   So very risky, with a green house the chances increase.  Taking this a step further and fully cleaning off all the dirt off... is like open heart surgery, everything has to be perfect... Unless of course it's a dormant tree that lost it's leaves... but that doesn't count.. Tropicals are way harder.   

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: recommendation for backpack sprayer or one on wheels
« on: February 10, 2016, 10:08:29 PM »
I got the Stihl 3.5 gallon.  Works amazing, very easy to pump, nozzle works great. 

Looks like they just changed the design for 2016.

http://www.stihlusa.com/products/sprayers/backpack-sprayers/sg20/

If you really want to lay down the kelp spray, you can go with the gas powered version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVySVWa0Mtw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsuVCeY2xC0

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: do you bare root when potting up ?
« on: February 09, 2016, 01:21:22 AM »
I've screwed up and had the soil ball fall apart when transplanting and that was enough to kill the tree.. Bare rooting the thing is just asking to make it harder than it is.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Final stretch run (or not?) - Putting Jackfruit into ground
« on: February 08, 2016, 10:39:13 AM »
You could put it in the ground now, but you do risk another cold spell.   

The trunk is small, so definitely cut the pot off.  I usually prune any roots that have started to go sideways.   

For the hole, my trees that have done the best have had nothing added in terms of soil amendments, which makes it easier anyways.   

However I do find making a large wide hole (2 to 3 feet) is beneficial.   For depth, I put the base of the trunk 2 inches above the hole and pack the bottom of the hole.  Without doing this,  the trunk is usually 2 inches below the soil in a year from settling.

For location, I have wind, so my trees that do the best are not the ones that get the most sun, but those that are protected from the Santa Ana winds.  ...All my trees get at 3/4 day of sun, some all day sun.  If all your spots are wind protected, than go for the most sun.  If you put it next to the house, it can pick up some heat from the house and stay warm during freezes.   

Hope that helps, I've planted over 60 trees, and made pretty much every mistake.. thats my short advice from what I've learned. 




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: will my poor banana make it?
« on: January 28, 2016, 12:03:48 AM »
I got one that looks like that too, I've written it off for dead.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Parkia biglobosa / African locust bean (cold tolerance ?)
« on: January 21, 2016, 11:41:37 PM »
Anyone have info on water requirements?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: interesting durian grafting, they even clipped the tap root
« on: January 20, 2016, 11:08:16 PM »
I've been having more luck root pruning all 15 gallon trees before they go in the ground... but this is because most of them just end up with some swirling roots... So I cut them flush.  The ones that didn't make it, usually had been repotted without being root pruned from 7 to 15 gallon, which become apparent after I dig them up and shake the dirt off.

On the other hand, the trees I got in the ground before the roots started swirling in the pot have grown really fast.  So natural seem to be best, but I think it's almost impossible to find large nursery trees that don't need root pruning.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sir Prize Avocados from Mexico?
« on: January 09, 2016, 08:58:26 PM »
I've got a sir prize tree.... The avocados have been great recently, so I keep picking them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: california drought relief on the way?
« on: January 05, 2016, 02:52:28 AM »
I heard in 97 we had 10 inches of rain by December... is this the first el nino where there was almost no rain for November and December?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Monkey proof fruit trees?
« on: January 01, 2016, 11:00:02 PM »
I'm curious too... We have squirrels and gophers over here... A monkey problem sounds much worse.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Holy mother banana papua
« on: December 16, 2015, 08:58:46 PM »
How come no one is growing this? 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Terra Frutis
« on: December 11, 2015, 12:57:56 AM »
That's pretty cool... Gook luck and great Mullet!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jim Johnsons Cold Hardy Mangosteens!!!
« on: December 09, 2015, 12:58:27 AM »
Quote from: Solko on December 08, 2015, 12:25:55 PM
Hey guys, you are coming down pretty hard on a guy that is trying to do something new.  I admire him for that, because it's hard. Really really hard. It takes a long time to breed something. You'll have to invest a lot of your time, efforts, patience and  you will have to assume a lot of setbacks, dissapointment, manage land, plants, climate, selection, everything.

If you want only big multinational companies to be able to do that, backed with plenty of capital, land and time, than go on butchering this guy. But he at least is doing it.

He's trying to create something new and that is pretty hard. When is the last time you had the spirit to do that?
If you don't want anything new, but just insist on being treated like a first class, spoiled and self-important customer who demands great service and business, with a little pet on the back for planting a tree, that is fine by me.
There's plenty of mango's out there and just grow those. If you pick so much on anyone who tries to improve fruit that we all love, you urge that person to become just like yourself: a picky customer who rather bitches about someone else than invest in trying to improve something for the benefit of all of us.

This forum is full of people who start whining right away when they don't get their rare seeds sent to them or when people try new crosses and the variety is not up to commercial standards.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to know if someone is a cheat, But do you really think this guy a cheat, or is he just really trying, but overwhelmed by the logistics of doing everything himself? Like many of the people who send us seeds from Brasil or Indonesia, I for one am thankful people like him are willing to do that and I admire how they keep on doing that despite the complaints and pityful whining of people who expected first class all american service.

If you can do it better, do it yourself.


That said, keep on growing!

The joys of being a salesman... once you sell something, you get shit... heheh 

....And ... Tim is a a pretty good salesman... he has a great story, his PR is not bad, and he's having some product troubles.. so he gets some shit... I don't think anyone actually dislikes the guy, but it is funny.   He will be laughing the next big freeze, unless all his trees die.     

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jim Johnsons Cold Hardy Mangosteens!!!
« on: December 07, 2015, 10:25:56 PM »
I think I may have purchased from the wrong guy.. has anyone heard of Ron Rohnson?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Crazy idea (v. 2.0)
« on: November 29, 2015, 08:24:16 PM »
Quote from: bsbullie on November 27, 2015, 07:53:21 AM
I would wear gloves when excavating the oleander.

What are your minimum temps?  From what direction and how much wind does that area get?

Also a dust mask it a good idea... they can cause problems if you breath too much of dust they put off..

I ripped out about 7 large Oleander's when I moved in to my property.  I took a long pull strap, wrapped it around base and yanked them out... if you can get a heavy vehicle close to it, that's the way to go.

Why would  someone keep poisonous plants when you can have edible plants. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: wondering if these tropical plants i bought would survive SFValley area, CA
« on: November 02, 2015, 11:39:56 PM »
Quote from: michsu on November 02, 2015, 10:17:53 AM
just get a few different varieties like me and plant them out.. haha, nothing big like goosteen there.. most are the size of my sugar apple.. just 1 year in the ground so far.. wow, with the ground he has, I would be planting over 100 trees by now.. haha  ;D

 


haha I already got around 50 in the ground, and another 40 in pots waiting... But I do have to re arrange some stuff, as my first 20 that went in the ground was not on proper irrigation...  I tried to repurpose the old sprinklers, and not a surprise, it didn't work.  I've learned a lot since then, and at some point will set up a proper Netafim irrigated orchard space.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: wondering if these tropical plants i bought would survive SFValley area, CA
« on: November 01, 2015, 10:30:54 AM »
hahah I definitely got luck on the property.  The circle thing is because I'm using a shrub head sprinkler to irrigate and it gets water on the trunk, so that plastic thing keeps the trunk dry.   

Cherimoyas are Booth and Pierce ... the one in the photo is Booth

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: wondering if these tropical plants i bought would survive SFValley area, CA
« on: November 01, 2015, 12:43:03 AM »
A few pics...   These are all about 2 to 2.5 years in the ground.  Some grew like crazy, others were pretty slow to take off... I had strange soil conditions, things really started picking up when I started watering every other day in the summer.

Booth Cherimoya...



White Sapote, Cherimoya, Loquat .... you can see the valley below, it's about 200 feet lower, and usually 10 degrees colder.   ..Right now Weather Underground says it's 69 here, 57 to 61 down below. 



Sir Prize Avacodo


Valencia Pride Mango



Black Sapote

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: wondering if these tropical plants i bought would survive SFValley area, CA
« on: October 31, 2015, 03:31:51 AM »
I grew up in the area... I have noticed winters to be colder than summer. 

.... just kidding, I just started paying attention to different micro climates in the area 3 years ago, and that's what I noticed about the warmer parts of the valley.   

Cherimoya and Avacodo seem to do fine... There's a huge mango around mid Tampa....  Best is to just drive around and check what kind of large fruit trees you spot in your neighborhood. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: wondering if these tropical plants i bought would survive SFValley area, CA
« on: October 30, 2015, 09:39:24 PM »
Quote from: michsu on October 30, 2015, 09:40:24 AM
I'm at 615 ft (so a website says), and just put it in the ground (airlayered sunrise variety)  about two weeks ago.. just try it and see, that's what I do  ;D I haven't taken a picture of the soursop yet, because it's just planted and looks ugly.. but tiny new red leaves coming out already, so that's good.. elevation is not as important as the temps you are getting (I think).. I'm more concerned with the 100s we got during September and October.. with most of my plants already getting through a winter (high 30s to mid 40s), they should be ok.. that's my rule.. if it can last one whole winter and summer, then it should be ok..  ;D

I used this one

http://www.whatismyelevation.com

Here's my sugar apple tree too.. planted it last year and it had some fruit already this year.. Also, I'm growing all those that you said.. Cherimoya Honeyhart, Wax Apple, (Macopa? I'll look that up, another one to grow possibly.., and longan.. I have a biew kiew and kohala just planted too)

- just saw what macopa is.. mountain apple.. haha, no thanks.. one variegated wax jambu is good enough.. ;D

Sugar Apple


Longan


Elevation is definitely relative... I just know the valley seems to be warmer around 900 to 1300ft level... for other parts of LA, it would be different.   

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: wondering if these tropical plants i bought would survive SFValley area, CA
« on: October 29, 2015, 11:54:35 PM »
You might still be ok if there's lots of lower elevation area below you for the air to go into...

I'm at 1200, the canyon below me is between 5 and 20 degrees cooler.    I think Paypay Tree Nursery is at around 1300.  I've been good for the last 3 years, but we have not really had a cold winter.  ....There is a backyard loaded with banana trees near my work in the valley at around 750, all the trees turned brown last winter, but since have grown back bigger than before. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: wondering if these tropical plants i bought would survive SFValley area, CA
« on: October 29, 2015, 11:25:12 PM »
Check your elevation on Google earth.  If you are around 700 to 1000ft your screwed.  If you up 1150 to 1300 you'll be 10 degrees warmer when it's cold.

This is just a rough rule I've noticed in the valley.  Papaya Tree nursery is slightly above the valley, so he stays a little warmer than average. 

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