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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« on: September 27, 2017, 08:48:40 AM »
I have used cloud cover (or wilt pruf) on 30 degree nights and have NEVER  lost a leaf or branch. It's not guaranteed as there are many factors like microclimate that play a role in protecting the tree. I also use it in the dead in summer on over 100 degree days to protect from sunburn and water loss due to the heat, on top of painting trunks and exposed branches with a 50/50 mixture of paint and water.



Quote from: Mugenia on September 26, 2017, 11:40:36 AM
I have a question about growing mangoes in California. I am having my father in-law flying in from the Philippines to help me with the yard and tropical fruit trees while I am overseas. Can variety of mangoes like Valencia Pride stay the cold nights of Riverside uncovered? He possibly doesn't know what the hell he is doing over there. That's why I don't want to bother him over covering this tree, that tree. I just want him to do basis plant care only. Thanks.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Barbados Cherry can't set fruit
« on: September 25, 2017, 08:21:22 AM »
Mine are better than most tropicals in Frost but they are in a protected area do I'm sure that contributed to it's survival. I'd still cover it if left in an unprotected area.

Quote from: Si Duong on September 24, 2017, 02:39:11 PM
Quote from: Zarafet on September 24, 2017, 12:30:33 PM
From my experience none of mine began setting fruit until the trunks were as thick as two pencils. I read somewhere that maturity has a huge role to play and for me that was certainly the case. Now i cant get it to STOP giving fruit. I have mine on the West side of my property in full southern california sun, and it takes the 100+ days like a champ.

Congratulation and thanks for your info.
Do you know the Barbados plant can handle the freeze well?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Barbados Cherry can't set fruit
« on: September 24, 2017, 12:30:33 PM »
From my experience none of mine began setting fruit until the trunks were as thick as two pencils. I read somewhere that maturity has a huge role to play and for me that was certainly the case. Now i cant get it to STOP giving fruit. I have mine on the West side of my property in full southern california sun, and it takes the 100+ days like a champ.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Our friends from Puerto Rico were attacked by Maria
« on: September 23, 2017, 12:41:18 PM »
My whole family lives in Cataņo Puerto Rico, the most affected place on the island and they say it's real bad. Money isn't helpful as there is nothing left to buy, food wise. It's a shame.

Quote from: JF on September 22, 2017, 07:33:25 PM
Our Caribbean brothers and sisters have been hammered by two devastating hurricanes now our Mexican friends and neighbors are suffering from two major earthquakes. We send them our blessings and support.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: When and where are California Keitt's available?
« on: September 21, 2017, 05:05:32 PM »

I only get mine at the 99cent only store

Quote from: mangomanic12 on September 21, 2017, 04:20:26 PM
Whole foods in Phx, AZ $3.99/ EA for a Keitt mango from california  (Organic) - I refuse to buy

Meanwhile I am getting them from my local 99c store for $1.00 /ea  non organic - I buy here ...tastes great

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Subtropicals for California Zone 9
« on: September 14, 2017, 03:21:17 PM »
I have never covered my longan And it is in the coldest part of the yard . It has been in the ground for 3 years . I've covered the mangoes that are right around it and they got burned from the frost and the longan just looks at the mangoes and laughs .

Quote from: Bush2Beach on August 06, 2016, 01:50:04 PM
Joe, I amended your list based on experience from the other side of the hill. Through trial and error I've found some plants thrive great in 1 part of the yard and died in another, or planted out early and died versus up potting and planting out a bigger tree. Keep it growing!

Bulletproof
Capulin Cherry
Cape gooseberry
Loquat
Cattley Guava
Feijoa
Guabiju

Easy with little to no protection

Avocado
Frederick
Cherimoya
Atemoya
Lucuma
Banana (cold tolerant varieties)
Macadamia
White Sapote
Cherry of the Rio Grande
Suriname Cherry
Ugni Molinae
Babaco
Ice Cream Bean

Needs protection only in very cold years

Jaboticaba
Green Sapote
Black Sapote
Imbe
Longan
Tropical Guavas
Pitomba
Pitangatuba
Cedar Bay Cherry
Tamarillo & Pepino Dulce (an easy to grow annual that dies in winter)
Luc's Mexican , Achacha, Lemon drop
Cinnamon Apple (Pouteria hypoglauca)
Guabiroba (various Campomanesias)

Possible with serious protection and lots of luck
Mango
Kwai Muk
Carambola
Canistel
Sapodilla
Lychee
Wax Jambu
Grumichama
Ceylon Cinnamon
Allspice
Strawberry Tree (Muntingia calabura)
Wampee
Peanut Butter Fruit
Rainforest Plum

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Covering grafted lemon
« on: September 12, 2017, 04:40:29 PM »
So no aluminum, no paper bag? In the sun?

Quote from: Millet on September 12, 2017, 12:01:13 PM
After the graft is made I just cover the bud with the  parafilm wrap.  The bud will push right through the film.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Can I get an opinion on Ponderosa Lemon ??
« on: September 12, 2017, 08:13:22 AM »
CCPP has Femminello Siracusano 2KR Lemon, not sure if that's the same.

Quote from: Susanne42 on August 30, 2017, 09:57:49 PM
Lori would you know if this lemon is available in the USA?

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Citrus General Discussion / Covering grafted lemon
« on: September 12, 2017, 01:00:35 AM »
I just grafted a bearss lime with new Zealand lemonade.  Is Covering the grafts necessary until they push?  I have them wrapped in parafilm and tied off. I've had success grafting citrus and covering them but never grafted then and left uncovered.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Feijoa - Acca sellowiana cold hardiness?
« on: September 12, 2017, 12:55:10 AM »
Mine survived 3 frosts without protection. 29 degrees 30 degrees and 31 degrees the same year.  Other plants died back and the feijoa LAUGHED at mother nature.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What nursery in OC or Los Angeles area carry most Sub Tropicals fruit plants?
« on: September 11, 2017, 08:40:01 AM »
Exotica is great too, just a little (or very lol) unorganized, but it's a disorganized gem.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: When and where are California Keitt's available?
« on: September 06, 2017, 02:49:13 PM »
3 for $10 wtf??? I loved my Mexican keitts and all seeds were viable I have over 20 seedlings between keitts and kents.

Are Cali keiits notably better since they are not hot water dipped or are we paying up the butt for better seed viability due to not being treated for fruit flies?


Quote from: Bush2Beach on September 06, 2017, 02:34:41 PM

USA Organic $1.50 pd. Keitt's

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: I am preparing for a total loss with Hurricane Irma
« on: September 06, 2017, 08:19:33 AM »
God bless you all. My family in Puerto Rico is bracing for the worst, I'm worried. No going outside to "right" a tree.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: missing a basic grafting concept, apparently...a little help?
« on: August 30, 2017, 10:46:45 PM »
On my veneers I match one side of the cambiums and they take

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Condensation under parafilm
« on: August 30, 2017, 09:44:59 PM »
Thanks... I removed 2 and rewrapped them and thought "this is too much... I could do more harm than good." So I'm leaving them be, and now I'm not worried... Thx again.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Condensation under parafilm
« on: August 30, 2017, 07:53:09 PM »
I checked my grafts today and noticed condensation under the parafilm.  Is this normal considering it's in direct sun or should I remove it dry it and reapply?


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangos and nitrogen
« on: August 30, 2017, 04:05:10 PM »
How do nitrogen fixers actually work? Do you chop and drop or do they pull nitrogen into the soil?

Quote from: greenman62 on August 30, 2017, 02:17:03 PM
Try using nitrogen fixing plants.

i have several beans, senna, autumn olive next to my trees
even in containers.
Just need to keep the foliage from shadowing the fruit trees
but  most N fixers take pruning/coppicing well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mangos and nitrogen
« on: August 29, 2017, 06:05:10 PM »
It's my understanding that mangos are sensitive to nitrogen. Does this apply to all nitrogen sources or just the synthetic sources? Would natural nitrogen from, say, composted chicken manure be ok or does sensitivity apply to ALL nitrogen?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango grafting question
« on: August 29, 2017, 12:50:34 PM »
Thx Behl, I'll remove it when I get home.

Quote from: behlgarden on August 29, 2017, 12:26:02 PM
if you grafted to in ground tree you should not cover it at all, you guarantee 100% frying the wood in these 100 degree temps. If its in a pot, move it to shaded area. I have never covered grafts and professionals will tell you the same. If you use buddy tape, covering does nothing as buddy tape seals moisture damn well and you dont need any additional moisture. What pushes the graft is heat that causes sap to flow from rootstock and then the scionwood.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango grafting question
« on: August 29, 2017, 11:03:14 AM »
It's over 100 degrees here for the next 2 weeks and its scorching my trees. Do u leave your grafts uncovered in this heat? I'd like mine uncovered so I don't have to acclimate it to the sun.


Quote from: behlgarden on August 29, 2017, 10:12:38 AM
in current weather you need nothing, no covers, simply a good wood clean cut wrapped with buddy tape and watch the takes. I have never used covers, not even in winter grafting. Use of foil in current temps could mean death sentence to wood, temps there could rise dramatically.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango grafting question
« on: August 28, 2017, 08:58:03 PM »
WARNING: WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ MAY CAUSE SARCASM, UNCONTROLLABLE URGES TO BE RUDE AND IS A TOTAL NOOB QUESTION. READER DISCRETION IS ADVISED. 

I just grafted 4 manila mangos with sweet tart and lemon zest 2 DAYS ago here in southern California. I know it's late but our weather forecast predicts 78 as the LOWEST night time temperature for the next 2 weeks so I decided to give it a  shot since this has been  our warmest night temperatures THIS YEAR and should be favorable to grafting.  When I graft I cover it with aluminum foil, but I read that shone cover with paper bags.

I've had success with aluminum on citrus.  What do you ladies and gentlemen use to cover grafts on an in ground tree?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 17 inches and it won"t stop
« on: August 28, 2017, 12:52:37 AM »
You call that hot...? Look at us in the valleys.

Quote from: Mikey on August 27, 2017, 07:07:46 PM
Here in the west coast we have a heat wave hitting us.  San Diego is too hot with a 76 degree F.  😅



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bare-root Loquat
« on: August 23, 2017, 07:45:17 PM »
Thank you everyone. I'm optimistic.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Double veneer grafting on rootstock
« on: August 23, 2017, 02:00:02 PM »
Has anyone tried to veneer graft 2 scions onto a seedling rootstock at the same time? If yes, what was the outcome/ best practices?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Figs in south Florida
« on: August 23, 2017, 10:30:22 AM »
I have 5 figs and they are the most vigorous trees I have, on par with my bananas

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