Thanks Nate (great name) and W, but I should have taken seeds off my list...I’ve tried germinating over 50 seeds (got the trade winds ones last year too and nada) out of those, I had one sprout, and then die as soon as I moved it to a fully shaded, protected area outside in the summer with temps never dropping below 60. Trying to get these things to germinate is like trying to get my 3 year old to eat vegetables...I think scions are the way to go but they seem impossible to find. Bonsaibeast, sorry for hijacking.