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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: adiel on February 28, 2012, 09:40:04 PM
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I have heard Cherimoyas do not do well in Florida, but, thought I would ask this anyways. ;D Is anyone growing Cherimoyas in Florida? (http://s18.postimage.org/bpd6fuqk5/jg60r9.gif)
Update 9/2/2014:
Changed Subject of thread from:
Dream Cherimoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
To:
Dream Atemoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
Reason: New information shows that the "Dream" variety of Annona is possibly an Atemoya instead of a Cherimoya.
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ya, there is someone selling cherimoyas that fruit in FL, the variety is "dream"
I didn't believe it myself, but others confirmed what's believed to be a cherimoya, has been selected, named, and fruited, here in FL.
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I don't know of anyone's having enough success with Annona cherimola in Florida to be able to recommend it. I have been given a one gallon plant of 'Dream' and will wait and see what it does. The leaves of 'Dream' appear to be atemoya, i.e. 1/2 cherimoya, 1/2 sugar-apple. I have not seen the flower or fruit.
During my years of Annona hybridizing at Zill High Performance Plants, here in eastern Palm Beach County, I worked with 8 or 9 varieties of cherimoya that Gary Zill bought at nurseries in California. Most never produced a properly-ripened fruit for eating purposes, though we often got viable seeds from them for our breeding program. The variety called 'Spain' had a few decent-tasting fruits on it some years, and none other years. These varieties were all growing in 45-gallon or larger containers, well-drained, with drip irrigation, frequent spraying against potato leafhoppers and fungi, and plenty of fertilizer. I have not worked with cherimoya selections made since the 1980's, so, for example, I have not worked with 'Fino-de-Jete.'
Har
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Adam, this looks like chirimoya to me...
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It sure does look like Cherimoya to me also. They have those round leaves.
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that's a cherimoya.
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that's a cherimoya.
thats the tree called "dream"
Supposed to be a cherimoya...everyone but Har answered....
I still have an unanswered question about the height and age of the A. reticulata from Noels post.
click on the picture of the whole tree, and you'll see when its enlarged that some leaves have the lance shape, and confirm Guanabanus ,and my confusion, about this suppsed true cherimoya.
I see hints of Squamosa witin this tree. But without genetic testing, I don't know if I'll ever know for sure. :(
Hope fruits taste good! and it bears! thats all that matters I reckon.
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Anikulapo,
The leaves in your picture do look like cherimoya. Are they hairy? The small plant that I received had narrower, pointy leaves.
The flowers could be either cherimoya or atemoya. Another thing to check will be seed shape and color, but that won't be definitive either, because, as hybrids, different atemoyas will have different throwback details to their ancestors.
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Anikulapo,
The leaves in your picture do look like cherimoya. Are they hairy? The small plant that I received had narrower, pointy leaves.
The flowers could be either cherimoya or atemoya. Another thing to check will be seed shape and color, but that won't be definitive either, because, as hybrids, different atemoyas will have different throwback details to their ancestors.
No more hairy than atemoya when new, but fully formed leaves look hairless (click on my picture of the leaves and see for yourself! if you click twice you can see how many megapixels my camera is, the detail is astounding). Some of the leaves on this tree became more pointed, but most were round.
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that's a cherimoya.
thats the tree called "dream"
Supposed to be a cherimoya...everyone but Har answered....
I still have an unanswered question about the height and age of the A. reticulata from Noels post.
click on the picture of the whole tree, and you'll see when its enlarged that some leaves have the lance shape, and confirm Guanabanus ,and my confusion, about this suppsed true cherimoya.
I see hints of Squamosa witin this tree. But without genetic testing, I don't know if I'll ever know for sure. :(
Hope fruits taste good! and it bears! thats all that matters I reckon.
Here are pics of my Pierce leaves. The smaller leaves tend to be narrower and pointy.
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/IMG_6293.jpg)
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/IMG_6288.jpg)
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JF,
Nice Pictures, and good point!
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saw another fruiting cherimoya tree near tampa, that made satisfactory fruits only about 4 per year, without hand pollination,and not too large of fruit, size of large sugar apple.
so more people fruit them than we think.
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Why is it these fail to thrive in Florida? I have a a out 5 trees from seed and am wondering if I am wasting time with them in Bermuda or not....
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Green Leafhoppers (I believe, Potato Leafhoppers.). It doesn't take many to induce toxicity.
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Ok. If that is it I should be fine. Don't have them that I know of.
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I have a few growing well. They bloomed well the last few years but were small so I didnt do much pollinating. I did hand pollinate a few flowers and had a couple small fruit develop. They ended up getting a little smaller than a baseball when they were ripe. Taste was good. This year none of them put out many blooms. I think the warm winter screwed them up. I didn't bother hand pollinating any flower because I couldnt find any males and females that were ready at the same time.
I do not think there has ever been an issue with growing cherimoya in fl. I think the issue has to do more with the fruiting. There was one member on GW that had a large tree a few years back that she said produced well. Can't remember her name right now but I am sure you could find it by doing a search on the GW tropical fruit forum.
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Thanks. And Well yes, when I say growing, I mean fruiting (no use growing without fruit). Are your plants grafted or from seed?
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All of mine are grafted. Selma, Honeyheart, Pierce, Fino de jete.
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If your cherimoyas or atemoyas look healthy, without cupped leaves with burnt edges from leafhopper toxicity, but don't flower much or hold fruit sets, then they probably have a zinc deficiency. The sandy soils of the southeastern US are notoriously deficient in Zinc. Calcium, Potassium, or Boron deficiencies would be other possibilities.
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Hello,
I recently had the pleasure of meeting Wayne Clifton, the person who introduced the "Dream" cultivar, or Annona cherimola (Cherimoya), which reportedly fruits quite well in FL, with out hand pollination.
If I remember right, Wayne said he collected the seeds about 10yrs ago, from Peru (not scions I believe), and that he grafted the seeding onto an atemoya rootstock. Also the tree survived a 19 F temp drop with no problems.
It fruits in cluster, and needs thinning...also is reported to taste incredible, and make large fruits.
I'm excited to start growing this one! I have spoke with several other growers in the Manatee county area, who swear that the Dream cherimoya is an excellent cultivar for FL.
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Sounds good. Are the trees available anywhere?
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This was discussed last year. Not sure what happened to the pictures that Adam had posted...
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=492.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=492.0)
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BSBullie,
thanks for helping merge this topic! Good eye.
Murahilin,
I don't know where to get the trees other than Wayne Clifton. I've requested the last ones he has this year, but he's making another batch.
If you'd like his information let me know!
He's a stand up guy...and a scholar.
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Where does Wayne live?
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Where can I get one of these dream cherimoyas??!!
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Hang on!
I'm working on it...
let me find out some details from Wayne!
I will report back ASAP.
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That would be a great service to spread these trees around. Cherimoya is a top caliber fruit! In Hawaii cherimoya fruits well, but only at above 1000 ft. elevation, and it does need hand pollination. So no hand pollination and extended range where it could be grown would be like a dream come true...Pardon the pun.
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That would be a great service to spread these trees around. Cherimoya is a top caliber fruit! In Hawaii cherimoya fruits well, but only at above 1000 ft. elevation, and it does need hand pollination. So no hand pollination and extended range where it could be grown would be like a dream come true...Pardon the pun.
Absolutely! ;D
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Haha,
yes it's like a dream come true! I actually made the same joke to Wayne!
He says they are so prolific, they need to be pruned somewhat like a guava tree.
He also says when he offers them at the plant sale he attends, they sell out super fast!!
I should have some more info by tonight or tomorrow, about the availability of trees, and Wayne's contact info.
Thanks!
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Contact Wayne Clifton about his "Dream" Cherimoya plants, at waykat@mindspring.com
He has a limited amount of trees being propagated now, and will most likely have to take preorders for each batch...but don't quote me on that!
Thanks!
Adam
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Here is a pic of the fruit.
It looks so round, and symmetrical, it's impressive.
The taste is supposed to be outstanding.
(http://s8.postimage.org/aal4qwlg1/Dream_Cherimoya.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/aal4qwlg1/)
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Beautiful fruit! ;D
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Do you know when the season is in Florida? Are the fruit seedy?
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Do you know when the season is in Florida? Are the fruit seedy?
Not seedy! Actually has low seed count I believe.
not sure of season, but I'm sure it's similar to atemoya...August- Dec?
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Sounds great!
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I was thinking...even if this was an atemoya in disguise, I'd still want to have it!
based on the reported cold tolerance of 19-22F, no hand pollination, fruits in clusters, and makes impressive sized, low seed count fruits.
Call it whatever u want...(it reminds me of an illama, how round it is) but I'm determined to taste this one now.
Wayne said his friend from south america that works for the agricultural department who loves cherimoyas (and has eaten his share), said this is the best one he's ever had.
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Adam,
Your making me want one really bad now! The more you talk about it... I wonder how 'Dream' Cherimoya would do at the plant auction :o, especially if the fruit is up for sample tastings.
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The photo of the fruit looks more like an atemoya than a cherimoya. But it's not possible to tell just from the fruit alone, as there are other cherimoyas that can look like atemoya.
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I was thinking...even if this was an atemoya in disguise, I'd still want to have it!
based on the reported cold tolerance of 19-22F, no hand pollination, fruits in clusters, and makes impressive sized, low seed count fruits.
Call it whatever u want...(it reminds me of an illama, how round it is) but I'm determined to taste this one now.
Wayne said his friend from south america that works for the agricultural department who loves cherimoyas (and has eaten his share), said this is the best one he's ever had.
Ya Adam after hearing you description that's how I felt about!
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Hooray, I'm on the waiting list for this one! ;D Thanks, Adam. (Wayne says the flavor is superior to atemoya.)
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Me too ;)
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Here is a pic of the fruit.
It looks so round, and symmetrical, it's impressive.
The taste is supposed to be outstanding.
(http://s8.postimage.org/aal4qwlg1/Dream_Cherimoya.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/aal4qwlg1/)
it is shape like a cherimoya, keep us update my friend!
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here is another update,
if all goes well, Wayne has invited me to taste the Dream cherimoya fruit later this year.
I've tasted about 5 sugar apple varieties, 5 atemoya varieties, and 2 cherimoya varieties...so I will be excited to compare this one to all of the rest.
I will be sure to photo document the experience, with pics of his largest tree fruiting, and fruits cut in half...showing seed count, and seed shape.
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Have you tasted any ilama so that a comparison to it cohld also be thrown in the mix?
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Have you tasted any ilama so that a comparison to it cohld also be thrown in the mix?
no Rob!
I hope to change that this year!!
why don't you make it happen for me? :)
I've heard red Genova illama (offered by Excalibur pretty much exclusively) is one of the best annona fruits period.
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Adam - I will make it happen. I love the genova red and guillermo, both excellent ilama and yes, one of my favorite anonas.
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Rob,
I will make sure to return the favor...I can mail all sorts of fruit overnight within FL very cheap and easily via ups ground.
Don't worry, I will remind you during the season for illama...July-Nov?
thank a million for your help!!!
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here is another update,
if all goes well, Wayne has invited me to taste the Dream cherimoya fruit later this year.
I've tasted about 5 sugar apple varieties, 5 atemoya varieties, and 2 cherimoya varieties...so I will be excited to compare this one to all of the rest.
I will be sure to photo document the experience, with pics of his largest tree fruiting, and fruits cut in half...showing seed count, and seed shape.
I've had side by side taste test with Atemoyas, Sugar Apple and Cherimoyas in the last month and Cherimoya wins easy. Although I must say my Lisa and African Pride are of the highest qualities this year. I've also had custard apple earlier in the year.
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another pic of a fruit from the "dream" tree. (sorry a bit blurry)
This one looks more cherimoyaish
(http://s8.postimage.org/8uj2lt4ip/photo_9.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8uj2lt4ip/)
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another pic of a fruit from the "dream" tree. (sorry a bit blurry)
This one looks more cherimoyaish
(http://s8.postimage.org/8uj2lt4ip/photo_9.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8uj2lt4ip/)
no doubt about it that's a chirimoya
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I finally got some Dream Cherimoya plants (I requested them a long time ago, a few for me and my friends).
I'm really eager to see how they perform! I'm growing one in a pot, and one in the ground.
Later this season I'm going to visit the original tree, and I'll take pics of the tree with ripe fruits...and of the fruit cut in half...right before I eat it! :D
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Adam,
That is great news, would love to see future picture updates. Congrats!
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Adam,
That is great news, would love to see future picture updates. Congrats!
thanks Nullz,
Earlier in the season I grafted about 3 dreams, to share with friends...but I had poor success with these for some reason...the one tree that took, failed after I unwrapped it. I think I unwrapped it too early..or kept it too wet with overhead irrigation.
Don't worry though...I've got some rootstock for my next attempt. I'm going to be handing out Dream cherimoyas as stocking stuffers for next xmas. ..and you're on my list of good boys and girls.
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Adam,
That is great news, would love to see future picture updates. Congrats!
thanks Nullz,
Earlier in the season I grafted about 3 dreams, to share with friends...but I had poor success with these for some reason...the one tree that took, failed after I unwrapped it. I think I unwrapped it too early..or kept it too wet with overhead irrigation.
Don't worry though...I've got some rootstock for my next attempt. I'm going to be handing out Dream cherimoyas as stocking stuffers for next xmas. ..and you're on my list of good boys and girls.
Thanks, I look forward to something to dream about now :).
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Nice. How do get on your Christmas list Adam? ;)
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Here is a dandy 3gal Dream. :) It stood out from the crowd, so I had to keep it!
(http://s22.postimg.cc/rh9he198t/photo_26.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/rh9he198t/)
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Wow, that looks like an Atemoya, looking at the leaves and the growth pattern like a Lisa. Nice looking tree.
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That's a beauty, Adam!
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Nice cherimoya Adam! :)
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Thanks everyone!
I'll keep you posted on the progress!!
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I hope Wayne hasn't forgotten the rest of us who have contacted him about Dream cherimoya and are on his waiting list!
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I hope Wayne hasn't forgotten the rest of us who have contacted him about Dream cherimoya and are on his waiting list!
Wayne hasn't forgot you! I asked him about his waiting list...He's working hard to fill all the requests asap!
I just happened to request the trees back in January!
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I admit the leaves are shaped like cherimoya leaves usually are.
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I admit the leaves are shaped like cherimoya leaves usually are.
Haha!
I was thinking the opposite! but I'm glad to hear you say this.
I've seen the leaves of this cultivar being round and lance shaped..it just depends on what mood the tree is in I guess.
JF posted a pic of a cherimoya in this thread with similar leaves to the dream.
how is your tree doing Har? think it might fruit this year??
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I hope Wayne hasn't forgotten the rest of us who have contacted him about Dream cherimoya and are on his waiting list!
Wayne hasn't forgot you! I asked him about his waiting list...He's working hard to fill all the requests asap!
I just happened to request the trees back in January!
Good to know. I contacted him back in Jan too so hopefully it won't be much longer.
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I actually emailed him to ask how the one I ordered was coming along. He told me it would be ready by the end of the summer and that he took 8 flowers off the tree before potting up. So whoever gets one this year will probably have fruit next year.
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I actually emailed him to ask how the one I ordered was coming along. He told me it would be ready by the end of the summer and that he took 8 flowers off the tree before potting up. So whoever gets one this year will probably have fruit next year.
one cool thing about the trees from Wayne....some are cleft, some are saddle, some are veneer.
I like the saddles!! the union looks neat when it heals.
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Dream veneer onto cherimoya (labeled as Hybrid Cherimoya) rootstock.
The scion was much skinnier than the rootstock, so I had to barely cut into the cambium.
(http://s12.postimg.cc/r3nwzmh3t/dreamvnr.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/r3nwzmh3t/)
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Dream veneer onto cherimoya (labeled as Hybrid Cherimoya) rootstock.
The scion was much skinnier than the rootstock, so I had to barely cut into the cambium.
(http://s12.postimg.cc/r3nwzmh3t/dreamvnr.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/r3nwzmh3t/)
Veneer and cleft are clean grafts on cherimoyas. It hardens real nice in 2-3 months. Adams, the more I look at you beautiful annona it looks more like an atemoya. I guess we'll know when you try the fruit. I will take pics later of my Mr. Minh next to Pierce cherimoya.
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JF,
I agree, it's hard to tell if there isn't some squamosa blood in there....but either way I hear the tree is more cold hearty than any common atemoya (withstanding 20F when mature), and fruits set without hand pollination...and taste amazing!
I've heard lots of respectable people, saying good things about this cultivar...so I know it's a winner already!
I will make sure to report when I finally taste the fruits!
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JF,
I agree, it's hard to tell if there isn't some squamosa blood in there....but either way I hear the tree is more cold hearty than any common atemoya (withstanding 20F when mature), and fruits set without hand pollination...and taste amazing!
I've heard lots of respectable people, saying good things about this cultivar...so I know it's a winner already!
I will make sure to report when I finally taste the fruits!
Adams, sound good we'll wait for your report when it fruits next year. Here a pic of Mr. Minh's and Pierce.
you can clearly see the differences between them
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_5933.jpg)
cherimoya large leaves
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_5934.jpg)
here is geffner and Cangrejos sugar apple
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_5935.jpg)
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Adam
How large does a mature dream cherimoya tree get?
Does the mature tree fruit lightly or heavily ?
Brad
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Adam
How large does a mature dream cherimoya tree get?
Does the mature tree fruit lightly or heavily ?
Brad
Brad,
I imagine the tree can get to normal cherimoya size...i think the original tree is 20ft or more?
It's a heavy fruiter, like gefner atemoya. No hand pollination needed.
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Another veneer...I wrapped this one different.
(http://s10.postimg.cc/c9auoz12d/dreamvnr2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/c9auoz12d/)
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Nice looking veneer graft Adam. 8)
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I was talking to Wayne the other day, and he said he's swamped with orders for his cherimoyas!!
I feel bad for those who want one, but can't get one yet!
Unfortunately Wayne said he doesn't have time to ship plants, and if he did ship, he couldn't guarantee their safe arrival.
So this limits his sales to local pick up only...and all of his trees are sold on a first come first serve basis.
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I was talking to Wayne the other day, and he said he's swamped with orders for his cherimoyas!!
I feel bad for those who want one, but can't get one yet!
Unfortunately Wayne said he doesn't have time to ship plants, and if he did ship, he couldn't guarantee their safe arrival.
So this limits his sales to local pick up only...and all of his trees are sold on a first come first serve basis.
Help him and graft some....look like a good opportunity What rootstock does Wayne use for this so called cherimoya?
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So do you think that all of us in South Florida who contacted Wayne early on and have been waiting all these months are out of luck for this year? What if we drive up to see him?
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So do you think that all of us in South Florida who contacted Wayne early on and have been waiting all these months are out of luck for this year? What if we drive up to see him?
John,
sorry I don't know...that's something you'll have to ask Wayne...but if you're willing to drive to pick up a tree from him, I'm pretty sure you have a good chance of getting one soon!
JF,
I think he uses cherimoya...but I'm not sure. There are so many grafts to do in so little time.
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I've heard of instances where the The "Rare sciondoddle bird" has carried away many a patented and T.M. wood from tree's only to end up in a rfg tree!!! :-X :o ::) ??? :blank: It's only a Dream away!
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I'm surprised by how many fruits set on my small (7gal dream)
this year I haven't been hand pollinating...and most of my annonas have had poor to moderate fruit set.
but the dream will actually have to be thinned out.
can't wait to share a taste report.
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That's a very good treat to have on a Cherimoya var. self-pollinating ;) 8)
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Adam:
Pics?
Brad
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Brad! sorry I'm unable to post pics temporarily.
Robert, I think it sets more fruit than gefner! Cherimoya, atemoya...haha I don't care if they call the dream a sugar apple, I still gotta grow one...I've heard many wise, trustworthy, and discriminating fruit growers who swear it's an outstanding fruit.
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Does your friend Clifton have dream cherimoyas now for sale? I'm in lake county. Is Clifton in central Florida?
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Does your friend Clifton have dream cherimoyas now for sale? I'm in lake county. Is Clifton in central Florida?
you'll have to ask Wayne! I'm not sure.
I think he lives in Manatee county...in Bradenton?
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Ok. Thank you.
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Asaffron I am super stoked to see pics and here a taste report of this dream cherimoya. Can I score a few seeds from your harvest?
-joep450
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Adam
Are you able to post pics of your dream cherimoya and its fruit yet?
Brad
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I got one of these a couple weeks ago. The leaves definitely look more like an atemoya to me. Hopefully ill be able to taste a few next season.
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I got one of these a couple weeks ago. The leaves definitely look more like an atemoya to me. Hopefully ill be able to taste a few next season.
I've got mine in the ground. I agree--the leaves look more like atemoya. But I don't care, if the fruit tastes half as good as Wayne says. Also, he informed me that they produce fruit from August to March. Pretty remarkable!
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I got one of these a couple weeks ago. The leaves definitely look more like an atemoya to me. Hopefully ill be able to taste a few next season.
It's very nice looking non- Cherimoya.
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I got one of these a couple weeks ago. The leaves definitely look more like an atemoya to me. Hopefully ill be able to taste a few next season.
It's very nice looking non- Cherimoya.
the dream might be the first annona cultivar to appear on the Maury show!
:D
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Adam - pictures or it never happened!!! ;D
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Adam
Are you able to post pics of your dream cherimoya and its fruit yet?
Brad
Brad!
Hang on I'll post pics ASAP! my tree has a few fruits that I'm going to try to ripen before the winter chill sets in!
Tim...pics of what? my Maury cherimoya tree?
lol...I think I just coined the new name for annonas who's parentage are in question! Maurymoya!
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Adam
Are you able to post pics of your dream cherimoya and its fruit yet?
Brad
Brad
here are a few fruits that I let stay on the tree...they still look months away from being ready.
(http://s17.postimg.cc/fmvgd86qj/DSCN8635.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fmvgd86qj/)
(http://s23.postimg.cc/x2flq6gfr/DSCN8636.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/x2flq6gfr/)
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looks like a sugar apple
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excuse me and hi,
this variety of custard apple is annona cherimola or a hybrid?, is that I am interesed in this frutal but need some tips about the climate and water, help me?
camile
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Camile, if you read through the older post on this thread you'll see that we arent really sure if its a hybrid or a pure annona cherimola. What we do know is that its better adapted to the lowland tropical climate of south florida than cherimoya.
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Camile, if you read through the older post on this thread you'll see that we arent really sure if its a hybrid or a pure annona cherimola. What we do know is that its better adapted to the lowland tropical climate of south florida than cherimoya.
if I had to wager, I'd say there's some squamosa in the mix. Maybe its an atemoya backcrossed to a cherimoya.
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oh,I see, thank you
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Camile, if you read through the older post on this thread you'll see that we arent really sure if its a hybrid or a pure annona cherimola. What we do know is that its better adapted to the lowland tropical climate of south florida than cherimoya.
if I had to wager, I'd say there's some squamosa in the mix. Maybe its an atemoya backcrossed to a cherimoya.
Adams, great pics love the foliage!here are pics of Leo Manuel's 3 trees of atemoyas backcrossed to a cherimoyas you be the judge...pay close attention to the folige.
LM#3
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_6804.jpg)
LM#2
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_6803.jpg)
LM#1
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_6802.jpg)
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looks like a sugar apple
Doubly agree.
-joep450
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thanks for sharing these pics JF...I honestly can't tell!
I just know the Dream is close enough to pass as a cherimoya...even if it's a fugazi, it's a great fruit!
supposedly very cold tolerant!
I will have to get the story again from Wayne, concerning this plants origin...but I remember him saying it was a cherimoya seed he planted that he brought back from south amercia...it was growing poorly on it's own roots, so he grafted it onto an atemoya rootstock...which made the tree very vigorous...he was impressed by the trees productivity without hand pollination, and its ability to withstand hard freezes, less than 25F, and it reportedly taste like a cherimoya.
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thanks for sharing these pics JF...I honestly can't tell!
I just know the Dream is close enough to pass as a cherimoya...even if it's a fugazi, it's a great fruit!
supposedly very cold tolerant!
I will have to get the story again from Wayne, concerning this plants origin...but I remember him saying it was a cherimoya seed he planted that he brought back from south amercia...it was growing poorly on it's own roots, so he grafted it onto an atemoya rootstock...which made the tree very vigorous...he was impressed by the trees productivity without hand pollination, and its ability to withstand hard freezes, less than 25F, and it reportedly taste like a cherimoya.
the fruit looks a lot like an Atemoya but as I demonstrated in the pics of Leo's backcrossed cherimoya it could go either way. Keep us posted we are all anxious and awaiting
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Check the resemblance with my mystery Atemoya (the vendor called it Australian Atemoya). After consulting a few people, I think it's just African Pride. These 2 fruits are the only ones that have a weird angular shapes. The leaves are also very similar to those of Adam's tree.
Photo taken 09/07/2013:
(http://s23.postimg.cc/h0ntdh9mv/IMG_0512.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/h0ntdh9mv/)
09/22/2013
(http://s14.postimg.cc/5urthnge5/Young_Australian_Atemoya_Fruits.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5urthnge5/)
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Finally some pictures, sorry to pile on but that's not a cherimoya Adam. Atemoya
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When one gets a seed from a Cherimoya, then one knows for a fact the mama of the seed was a cherimoya, but one doesn't know who the papa was (unless one hand-pollinated the flower that produced the fruit).
Cherimoya pollinated by Sugar-Apple is called "atemoya" (with the stronger maternal genetic dominance of the cherimoya); Sugar-Apple pollinated by Cherimoya is also called "atemoya" (with the maternal dominance of the Sugar-Apple).
The back-cross possibility, especially if it was Cherimoya pollinated by Atemoya, would be 3/4 Cherimoya in its nuclear DNA, and all Cherimoya in its Mitochondrial and Chloroplast DNA. It would still be called an Atemoya.
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Finally some pictures, sorry to pile on but that's not a cherimoya Adam. Atemoya
Tim,
no need to apologize...I've had my doubts from the beginning...but I'm still happy to have a new atemoya cv. Maybe you can spearhead the movement to petition for Wayne to legally change the name of this cultivar?
Guanabanus,
thanks for the excellent info as usual. You always teach me something.
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Adam, thanks for posting pics. I'm on Wayne's waiting list. Shipping isn't offered, only local pickup. At about 400 miles round trip and $60 for a 3-gallon Dream, I'm not sure I'll be collecting my specimen given this new information.
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Adam, thanks for posting pics. I'm on Wayne's waiting list. Shipping isn't offered, only local pickup. At about 400 miles round trip and $60 for a 3-gallon Dream, I'm not sure I'll be collecting my specimen given this new information.
I wouldnt let that deter me!
this might be the best atemoya you can grow!
I believe the fruit is virtually indiscernible from a true cherimoya.
it doesn't require hand pollination...and is reportedly much more cold tolerant than most atemoyas..being able to tolerate brief exposures to 20F when mature.
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For what it's worth, I think you're throwing us for a loop... You've shared 3 or 4 pictures of this so called Dream fruits but each time it looks nothing like the last. I also don't see consistency in foliage... What's the story here? Area 51-ish or you have it hidden somewhere?
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Have you actually tasted the fruit, or seen these magical properties Adam?
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The controversy deepens.
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For what it's worth, I think you're throwing us for a loop... You've shared 3 or 4 pictures of this so called Dream fruits but each time it looks nothing like the last. I also don't see consistency in foliage... What's the story here? Area 51-ish or you have it hidden somewhere?
Tim,
I didn't select or name this variety, and no, I haven't got to taste one yet.
as I've stated before in this thread, I've had doubts that it's a true cherimoya...but I dont really care if it's got some squamosa blood.
based on what several experience growers have told me, (who've all tasted the fruit, and many other annonas) I've heard it's one of the best you can grow in FL.
other than that...I don't know what to tell you chief.
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For what it's worth, I think you're throwing us for a loop... You've shared 3 or 4 pictures of this so called Dream fruits but each time it looks nothing like the last. I also don't see consistency in foliage... What's the story here? Area 51-ish or you have it hidden somewhere?
You are right Tim. I went back to the beginning of the thread and the pics that Adam posted was defiantly a cherimoya nothing like the fruit he recently posted.
Adam
I'm still interested in budwood from the Dream annona I will contact you in late February.
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the first pics of the ripe fruit were sent to my by Wayne.
and the fruits I posted pics of just recently, are on my dream tree from Wayne.
I can understand how someone might confuse an atemoya for a cherimoya...and vica versa.
we already touched on this issue in this thread, so it's not really surprising to me that the dream might have some squamosa blood.
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I stopped by Wayne's house today and took some pictures of his Dream cherimoya tree and immature fruit. He says the seed originated from mountainous eastern Peru. I do not have any experience with cherimoyas other than eating them so you members judge for yourself. It does not look like any atemoya I've ever seen.
(http://s8.postimg.cc/ytet2c5b5/Dream_Cherimoya_3.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ytet2c5b5/)
(http://s22.postimg.cc/t59sgzwzh/Dream_Cherimoya_4.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/t59sgzwzh/)
(http://s18.postimg.cc/571e4xdd1/Dream_Cherimoya_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/571e4xdd1/)
(http://s17.postimg.cc/gj8h6abnv/Dream_Cherimoya_2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gj8h6abnv/)
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Wow that looks way closer to squamosa than cherimola
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I've seen Atemoyas that look like the fruit on the pic in Fallbrook.
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Those leaves look like atemoya, not cherimoya.
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There is definitely a lot of Squamosa in those fruits. The leaves are also definitely Atemoya leaves.
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I wish Wayne and his followers stop calling this a Cherimoya.....it's very annoying.
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In Cuba they call all the reticulatas: cherimoya. I think the ilama is also called cherimoya in some places. So that name is applied to different species in different countries. Maybe Wayne should call it a Wayneamoya? ;)
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En Cuba es Chirimoya.
J, they can call it whatever they want. In fact, that is their Dream Cherimoya. Looks nice. If it is anything like the ones I have tasted in Fallbrook, it is a nice tasting fruit.
In Cuba they call all the reticulatas: cherimoya. I think the ilama is also called cherimoya in some places. So that name is applied to different species in different countries. Maybe Wayne should call it a Wayneamoya? ;)
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I believe in spanish all the cherimoyas, including Annona cherimola, are called chirimoya.
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En Cuba es Chirimoya.
J, they can call it whatever they want. In fact, that is their Dream Cherimoya. Looks nice. If it is anything like the ones I have tasted in Fallbrook, it is a nice tasting fruit.
In Cuba they call all the reticulatas: cherimoya. I think the ilama is also called cherimoya in some places. So that name is applied to different species in different countries. Maybe Wayne should call it a Wayneamoya? ;)
El Americo este no es cubano nosotro si, so he know the difference.
Wayne, these are Cherimoyas.....enough of this misleading stuff.
(http://s9.postimg.cc/ana1g5qqj/IMG_6876.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ana1g5qqj/)
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En Cuba es Chirimoya.
J, they can call it whatever they want. In fact, that is their Dream Cherimoya. Looks nice. If it is anything like the ones I have tasted in Fallbrook, it is a nice tasting fruit.
In Cuba they call all the reticulatas: cherimoya. I think the ilama is also called cherimoya in some places. So that name is applied to different species in different countries. Maybe Wayne should call it a Wayneamoya? ;)
El Americo este no es cubano nosotro si, so he know the difference.
Wayne, these are Cherimoyas.....enough of this misleading stuff.
(http://s9.postimg.cc/ana1g5qqj/IMG_6876.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ana1g5qqj/)
Okay, I'm convinced. It's "Dream annona" for me. The photographs tell the truth, and Dream is not really a cherimoya. I knew it was too good to be true, but still it could be one hell of a good-tasting fruit. We'll see. I spent my 50 bucks on it (plus gas money), and I'm not sorry (at this point) that I did. :)
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phantomcrab
thanks for posting pics of the mother tree!!
it's beautiful.
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I'm on the list too and will be very happy to get mine no matter what it is.
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the look of the dream fruits remind me of papaya tree nursery's "sweetie" (they call it a sugar apple hybrid..but on this thread we know it's an atemoya)
I wonder if anyone here is growing or has tasted sweetie.
http://www.papayatreenursery.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=2021 (http://www.papayatreenursery.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=2021)
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What is that golden sugar apple they have? never seen that before :o
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What is that golden sugar apple they have? never seen that before :o
I believe that is this
(http://www.pobladores.com/data/pobladores.com/mi/lh/milhita13/channels/puerto_rico/images/2707279anon.jpg)
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that looks nothing like the one in the picture
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the look of the dream fruits remind me of papaya tree nursery's "sweetie" (they call it a sugar apple hybrid..but on this thread we know it's an atemoya)
I wonder if anyone here is growing or has tasted sweetie.
http://www.papayatreenursery.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=2021 (http://www.papayatreenursery.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=2021)
They won't be available until around June 2014. I'm waiting on Alex's reply on possible pre-ordering.
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thanks for the info!
im interested in this one, but I wonder how much it will cost?
$89 for a 3 gal
I remember papaya tree nursery had jewelry prices.
the look of the dream fruits remind me of papaya tree nursery's "sweetie" (they call it a sugar apple hybrid..but on this thread we know it's an atemoya)
I wonder if anyone here is growing or has tasted sweetie.
http://www.papayatreenursery.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=2021 (http://www.papayatreenursery.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=2021)
They won't be available until around June 2014. I'm waiting on Alex's reply on possible pre-ordering.
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Does anyone remember an older post on gardenweb forum by (Felipe/Philippe?) showing several different types of atemoyas? One of which was a really big & beautiful golden yellow atemoya that sort of looks like a massive sugar apple?
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Does anyone remember an older post on gardenweb forum by (Felipe/Philippe?) showing several different types of atemoyas? One of which was a really big & beautiful golden yellow atemoya that sort of looks like a massive sugar apple?
The only one I saw that came real close to this golden hybrid of Papaya Tree is the Paxton Prolific posted by BMc a while back on this forum.
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No I remember the one Bruce posted.. But this thread goes way back to prehistoric gardenweb... Before TFF was a twinkle in Murahilin & PJ's eyes in their lonely elevator ride together
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I am up in Jacksonville and I'm looking to get some of these Dream Cherimoyas. I'm familiar with the ones in South America, they grow like weeds in Chile. Delicious, wonderful weeds.
Anyhow, how do I get in contact with Mr. Clifton to get some of these plants?
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had a few small dreams that were ripe today.
I will report back if the fruit was good enough to eat...they're rather small (probably because the tree is still small, it was exposed to cold temps, and it's in a pot)
it's definitely got some squamosa (just like I suspected all along)...but I'm still very excited to have a new atemoya.
with the power of the collective knowledge of this great forum, no mislabeled plant is safe from being revealed and revised!
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Adao, I can't wait to read your review..
This what my 'Dream Annona' looks like ;)
(http://s13.postimg.cc/mnbd3haqb/IMG_0475_Dream_Chirimoya.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/mnbd3haqb/)
(http://s13.postimg.cc/5o2eo7zir/IMG_0477_Dream_Chirimoya.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5o2eo7zir/)
(http://s13.postimg.cc/9xc6ni93n/IMG_0479_Dream_Chirimoya.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9xc6ni93n/)
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had a few small dreams that were ripe today.
I will report back if the fruit was good enough to eat...they're rather small (probably because the tree is still small, it was exposed to cold temps, and it's in a pot)
it's definitely got some squamosa (just like I suspected all along)...but I'm still very excited to have a new atemoya.
with the power of the collective knowledge of this great forum, no mislabeled plant is safe from being revealed and revised!
So did you try it?
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Mike,
Yes, I ate them, but I think they came off the tree too early...they didn't ripen well...and they were small.
I'm still eager to try a full sized fruit like the one in the picture (I posted from Wayne).
had a few small dreams that were ripe today.
I will report back if the fruit was good enough to eat...they're rather small (probably because the tree is still small, it was exposed to cold temps, and it's in a pot)
it's definitely got some squamosa (just like I suspected all along)...but I'm still very excited to have a new atemoya.
with the power of the collective knowledge of this great forum, no mislabeled plant is safe from being revealed and revised!
So did you try it?
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The Dream (atemoya), looks like its very cold tolerant. I left one of my trees exposed to the short freeze we had, and it didn't even burn a leaf!
The 4826 is totally defoliated...and the gefner, and Phet packchong have almost lost all of their leaves.
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The Dream (atemoya), looks like its very cold tolerant. I left one of my trees exposed to the short freeze we had, and it didn't even burn a leaf!
The 4826 is totally defoliated...and the gefner, and Phet packchong have almost lost all of their leaves.
Lisa has never defoliated and we bottom out at 35F last year in fact atemoyas are just as cold tolerant as chirimoya. Here is a pic of my last Lisa #103 after a long season....from early October.
(http://s2.postimg.cc/8wzts41z9/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8wzts41z9/)
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I guess we got colder here...it was about 32 F...the lisa's defoliated soon after.
Wow u got 103 Lisa fruits off one tree? (did u hand pollinate?)
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I guess we got colder here...it was about 32 F...the lisa's defoliated soon after.
Wow u got 103 Lisa fruits off one tree? (did u hand pollinate?)
Yes I did the entire month of July and I thin it and the tree self thin over 150 golf ball size fruits. Lisa is a monster producer but the best fruits, taste wise, is in the fall. You have seen pics of my three year old tree it's 8-9 feet. I will Prune it hard in a month and keep it around that size.
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JF,
you always have the most impressive annonas. I know you give them great cultural attention, but I also think your climate is top notch.
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The Dream (atemoya), looks like its very cold tolerant. I left one of my trees exposed to the short freeze we had, and it didn't even burn a leaf!
The 4826 is totally defoliated...and the gefner, and Phet packchong have almost lost all of their leaves.
Lisa has never defoliated and we bottom out at 35F last year in fact atemoyas are just as cold tolerant as chirimoya. Here is a pic of my last Lisa #103 after a long season....from early October.
(http://s2.postimg.cc/8wzts41z9/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8wzts41z9/)
Really? I don't know why we only have cherimoyas here... i never eat na atemoya or a annona muricata
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just added my name to the waiting list! ;D
not concerned with what it's called, just that it produces great fruit!
Adam, thanks for the recommendation, and for the contact info.
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are atemoyas compatible on pond apple rootstock? I heard they were not, but have no experience.
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are atemoyas compatible on pond apple rootstock? I heard they were not, but have no experience.
although the grafts might take, I dont think they make a good long term match.
i think u r better off using reticulata, squamosa, or cherimola (or atemoya) as rootstock.
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http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/Fruits/CustardApple/AnnonaGrafting111-2-99.htm (http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/Fruits/CustardApple/AnnonaGrafting111-2-99.htm)
According to this, its not compatible, you have to interstock A. reticulata.
Its a shame, cause if you could easily graft onto glabra, it would make a great rootstock for lots of marginal land in Florida
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not trying to restart this debate but I emailed wayne the other day he said the tree at his house is on pond apple, and thriving for years!
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Its been discussed other places, but Har has mention that the source of the seeds seems to affect pond apple compatibility
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not trying to restart this debate but I emailed wayne the other day he said the tree at his house is on pond apple, and thriving for years!
he told me it was on atemoya...maybe he has 2 trees?
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haha....he seemed pretty adamant. Said he gave it to a USDA botanist or something like that and said tell me about this atemoya....reply: this is no atemoya, this is a cherimoya.. I don't care, but i assumed like you adam that he knew it was an atemoya...regardless, looking forward to tasting it someday
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haha....he seemed pretty adamant. Said he gave it to a USDA botanist or something like that and said tell me about this atemoya....reply: this is no atemoya, this is a cherimoya.. I don't care, but i assumed like you adam that he knew it was an atemoya...regardless, looking forward to tasting it someday
I know he says it's a cherimoya, but my last post was stating that the mother tree is grafted on atemoya...not pond apple...maybe he has 2 trees?
I think my last post confused u...it Looks like I said "an atemoya", but says "on atemoya"...I should have said, "on atemoya rootstock"
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ah, gotcha.
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Anyone tasted the "dream cherimoya"? If so, does the taste resemble a cherimoya or atemoya?
Brad
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wayne claims it is better than any atemoya by far, in terms of taste, but he is selling them so who knows....
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wayne claims it is better than any atemoya by far, in terms of taste, but he is selling them so who knows....
it's not just him...I've spoken with several fruit collectors who have eaten plenty of annona fruits...they claim it's one of the best!
I've not tasted this one yet...(ate a runt off of my 7gal tree, it didn't ripen properly because of cold weather and being rootbound)...im eager to try this one...this year I'm going to make sure they get cared for properly.
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I know he says it's a cherimoya, but my last post was stating that the mother tree is grafted on atemoya...not pond apple...maybe he has 2 trees?
Yes, he has two large "Dream" trees in his yard.
Anyone tasted the "dream cherimoya"? If so, does the taste resemble a cherimoya or atemoya?
Apparently it tastes like a cherimoya.
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are atemoyas compatible on pond apple rootstock? I heard they were not, but have no experience.
here is a list of trial results, of annona grafts...it was published in a RFCI year book..I think from 1984
(http://s27.postimg.cc/hk7c3c9kv/photo_38.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/hk7c3c9kv/)
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It will be interesting to see how the actual fruit turns out since, some pictures show a cherimoya fruit (page 2 of this thread) but some more pictures show an atemoya/sugar apple (page 4 of this thread). Since it was just mentioned that there are two trees in his house, would it be possible that the fruit from one tree are different from the fruit in the other tree? :o And to cause even more confusion, could it be possible that one is an atemoya and the other is a cherimoya? ::)
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It will be interesting to see how the actual fruit turns out since, some pictures show a cherimoya fruit (page 2 of this thread) but some more pictures show an atemoya/sugar apple (page 4 of this thread). Since it was just mentioned that there are two trees in his house, would it be possible that the fruit from one tree are different from the fruit in the other tree? :o And to cause even more confusion, could it be possible that one is an atemoya and the other is a cherimoya? ::)
the fruits are just variable in appearance...there is only one dream variety...I think it's an atemoya...all of the pictures on this thread are from the same variety of annona.
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It will be interesting to see how the actual fruit turns out since, some pictures show a cherimoya fruit (page 2 of this thread) but some more pictures show an atemoya/sugar apple (page 4 of this thread). Since it was just mentioned that there are two trees in his house, would it be possible that the fruit from one tree are different from the fruit in the other tree? :o And to cause even more confusion, could it be possible that one is an atemoya and the other is a cherimoya? ::)
Not a chance. The second tree is a graft from the original.
I agree with Adam - the fruit can be variable in appearance. Wayne mentioned this to me once. If the fruit are heavily thinned, they get large and look more like a cherimoya than my pictures depict (which were immature fruit anyway).
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hello to all who have contacted Wayne to be on his waiting list for the Dream (I call it atemoya, others call it cherimoya)
recently Wayne had his computer crash, and lost the list he had created....so please contact him on his new email address katway@outlook.com....and he will begin the process of reassembling the list.
I think he has some ready to sell soon!
(personally I have not been grafting these, but I will probably make a small batch soon....I just have too much stuff to propagate, and not enough time!)
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so far the dream has been very impressive..as far as setting fruits, and growing vigorously. (tough as nails, one of the only annonas that has no noticeable leaf burn from intense heat and drought.
the fruits are small I suppose because the trees were severely rootbound in 7 gal pots, just recently put them in 15 gals....trying to keep them in pots for a long time, and small....hopefully some of the fruits get a bit larger, I have some still developing...the tree set about 8 fruits, all filled out very nicely.
I will be sure to give a report of what the taste is like...and post pics of cut fruit.
starting to blush almost ready!
(http://s29.postimg.cc/ehhi49skj/DSCN0729.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ehhi49skj/)
more fruit on the way
(http://s29.postimg.cc/5az7gznc3/DSCN0731.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5az7gznc3/)
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Adam,
Nice looking Dream, the Dream I have in the ground appears to be very healthy. I can't wait to try the fruits ;D.
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Very nice! Keep us updated amigo ;)
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so far the dream has been very impressive..as far as setting fruits, and growing vigorously. (tough as nails, one of the only annonas that has no noticeable leaf burn from intense heat and drought.
the fruits are small I suppose because the trees were severely rootbound in 7 gal pots, just recently put them in 15 gals....trying to keep them in pots for a long time, and small....hopefully some of the fruits get a bit larger, I have some still developing...the tree set about 8 fruits, all filled out very nicely.
I will be sure to give a report of what the taste is like...and post pics of cut fruit.
starting to blush almost ready!
(http://s29.postimg.cc/ehhi49skj/DSCN0729.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ehhi49skj/)
more fruit on the way
(http://s29.postimg.cc/5az7gznc3/DSCN0731.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5az7gznc3/)
Adam
How old are your Dreams?
I'm heading down to Wayne's place tomorrow as he has some 3 and 7 Gal plants available. I'm looking
forward to meeting him and he said he will show me the mother tree (I'll take my camera for some photos).
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cmichael258,
i'm guessing the trees are about 3yrs old since grafting!
let me know how your trip goes!
good luck!
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cmichael258,
i'm guessing the trees are about 3yrs old since grafting!
let me know how your trip goes!
good luck!
Thanks
Will do.
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Drove down to Bradenton this afternoon to see Wayne and all I can say is "WOW", what an experience. Wayne is a super nice
guy and a wealth of knowledge. His yard is filled with beautiful trees and I could spend a full day walking around with him and
seeing what he has done.
He showed me a group of 3 and 7 Gal Dreams and said 2 people will be coming later to make purchases. I saw a 7 Gal that I liked
and planned to buy it when we walked over directly behind his house where he had a large group of trees sitting in pots. As we were
walking through them, he remembered another group of Dreams in the middle and found one 7 Gal that he had stripped the leaves back in
the Spring and was producing flowers. He seemed very partial to that one so needless to say, that was the one I purchased.
If you're in the Bradenton area, I would highly recommend contacting Wayne as he has a fantastic collection. I was able to take photos of
the mother and "baby" Dreams.
Adam..... Wayne spoke very highly of you and said to tell you "Hello".
Michael
Mother
(http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s352/cmichael258/SDC11060_zps602ddef9.jpg) (http://s511.photobucket.com/user/cmichael258/media/SDC11060_zps602ddef9.jpg.html)
Baby
(http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s352/cmichael258/SDC11062_zpsc9f890d8.jpg) (http://s511.photobucket.com/user/cmichael258/media/SDC11062_zpsc9f890d8.jpg.html)
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Nice report !!!! Thanks!!!
The tree looks different than most atemoyas I've seen...but I'm convinced it just an atmemoya...with lots of vigor and cold tolerance.
Were there any fruits on his trees??
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It looks different than a cherimoya, for sure.
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Nice report !!!! Thanks!!!
The tree looks different than most atemoyas I've seen...but I'm convinced it just an atmemoya...with lots of vigor and cold tolerance.
Were there any fruits on his trees??
Yes there were a number of fruit on the tree. Wayne said he is waiting for some to ripen to take down to Steve at Fruitscapes.
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Drove down to Bradenton this afternoon to see Wayne and all I can say is "WOW", what an experience. Wayne is a super nice
guy and a wealth of knowledge. His yard is filled with beautiful trees and I could spend a full day walking around with him and
seeing what he has done.
He showed me a group of 3 and 7 Gal Dreams and said 2 people will be coming later to make purchases. I saw a 7 Gal that I liked
and planned to buy it when we walked over directly behind his house where he had a large group of trees sitting in pots. As we were
walking through them, he remembered another group of Dreams in the middle and found one 7 Gal that he had stripped the leaves back in
the Spring and was producing flowers. He seemed very partial to that one so needless to say, that was the one I purchased.
If you're in the Bradenton area, I would highly recommend contacting Wayne as he has a fantastic collection. I was able to take photos of
the mother and "baby" Dreams.
Adam..... Wayne spoke very highly of you and said to tell you "Hello".
Michael
Mother
(http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s352/cmichael258/SDC11060_zps602ddef9.jpg) (http://s511.photobucket.com/user/cmichael258/media/SDC11060_zps602ddef9.jpg.html)
Baby
(http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s352/cmichael258/SDC11062_zpsc9f890d8.jpg) (http://s511.photobucket.com/user/cmichael258/media/SDC11062_zpsc9f890d8.jpg.html)
Beautiful atemoya! It looks like my multi-grafted Super African Pride
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_7859.jpg)
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Harvested my first Dream today (well, first decent sized fruit, but still small)
here it is next to the first PPC of the season....looks like i will have annona fruits during the winter...this season is very late for me.
(http://s4.postimg.cc/pvbqm5c09/DSCN0779.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/pvbqm5c09/)
(http://s4.postimg.cc/3xjv63mdl/DSCN0782.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3xjv63mdl/)
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Harvested my first Dream today (well, first decent sized fruit, but still small)
here it is next to the first PPC of the season....looks like i will have annona fruits during the winter...this season is very late for me.
(http://s4.postimg.cc/pvbqm5c09/DSCN0779.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/pvbqm5c09/)
(http://s4.postimg.cc/3xjv63mdl/DSCN0782.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3xjv63mdl/)
Looking forward to your assessment of the taste.
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any updates? i am heading down to bradenton in a bit so i'm already committed but it would be nice to have a taste report.
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picked my plant up a few hours ago. wayne's a stand up guy and the tree i got was very nicely grafted (saddled) with awesome structure. definitely going to plan a future trip.
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picked my plant up a few hours ago. wayne's a stand up guy and the tree i got was very nicely grafted (saddled) with awesome structure. definitely going to plan a future trip.
i was tempted to cut the fruit a bit early..it's almost ready...I will cut it tomorrow...
glad to hear u got a tree, i love the saddle grafted ones especially.
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impatience got the best of me...
I just ate the dream fruit.
it reminded me of PPC, in terms of texture...but taste was something like Lisa...this is definitely one of my favorite atemoyas....being productive like Geffner, but having less seeds, better texture, and taste.
I'm happy to report it's not just hype, this is a great fruit.
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impatience got the best of me...
I just ate the dream fruit.
it reminded me of PPC, in terms of texture...but taste was something like Lisa...this is definitely one of my favorite atemoyas....being productive like Geffner, but having less seeds, better texture, and taste.
I'm happy to report it's not just hype, this is a great fruit.
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Thanks for the photos and the taste report Adam. That's good news.
Thanks also Merce3. I agree that Wayne is a nice and knowledgeable guy.
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Thanks for the tree Adam, can't wait to put it in ground, gonna let it get a little bigger so the dogs don't trample it.
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Thanks for the tree Adam, can't wait to put it in ground, gonna let it get a little bigger so the dogs don't trample it.
Mike,
glad u got that little tree, it was the last one I have until the next batch.
I think you will be impressed by how vigorous the tree is.
Heat/drought resistant for sure...this is one of the only atemoyas/sugar apples that didn't get leaf burn this summer.
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Here's the one I purchased from Wayne last weekend. I later asked him how old the plant is and he said to dig around the edges of
the pot and look for a tag. I didn't find one but will check again when i move it up to a larger pot.
The plant is 38" and in great condition. Wayne said he cut it back about 1 1/2 months ago and it is already flowering. Nice to hear that it's
so sturdy Adam.
Michael
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It definitely looks like a cherimoya when you cut it open. Idk whats wrong with my tree, it hasnt been vigorous at all. Its died back to only one stem.
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It definitely looks like a cherimoya when you cut it open. Idk whats wrong with my tree, it hasnt been vigorous at all. Its died back to only one stem.
Mine is doing good, David. But I had to stake it--the limbs were almost touching the ground.
Adam, thanks for tasting the fruit for us!
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Does anyone remember an older post on gardenweb forum by (Felipe/Philippe?) showing several different types of atemoyas? One of which was a really big & beautiful golden yellow atemoya that sort of looks like a massive sugar apple?
Found it!!!
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tropicalfruits/msg051040244223.html?5 (http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tropicalfruits/msg051040244223.html?5)
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Any of our Aussie members recognize or know of this?
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thats beautiful!!! I want one of those!
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Wayne Clifton is a really cool guy. One of the nicest people I've ever met. He does a lot of things that I wish I could be doing, and I'm a little bit jealous.
I got to visit him last Sunday for a short time. He has a very nice collection of trees, and good varieties of fruit. His two dream cherimoya trees are impressive, and I got the impression that they are vigorous and productive fruiters.
Among all of Wayne's generosities that day, I was happiest to receive a dream cherimoya from his tree. I drove home with a big grin on my face.
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I'll make sure to report back here on how it tastes once it ripens. I'll be excited to know what kind of fruit I could expect from my tree.
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The Dream atemoya is interesting in how smooth the skin is. I had a chance to taste one and found it had a pineapple, honey and something else I can't describe going on with the flavor. But taste is subjective. I am looking forward to your description.
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NICE!!
that's a proper fruit!
I bet it will make your eyes roll back into your head like linda blair...and make your head spin..it's that good. :P
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Made the trek to bradenton this past week to get my Dream tree. Wayne was very gracious to show me around the property, see the 2 trees he has, and even let me sample an entire fruit!!
I haven't had many annonas, so I am no good at comparing the flavors. However, I will try to describe it.
First, the tree was maintained at about 20-25 ft, and had lush green leaves with no blemishes on them. It was loaded with fruit, at different stages, and Wayne said it fruits from October to March/April!! A very beautiful yard tree.
The fruit was greenish yellow and about softball size. The skin was smooth. When sliced open, the texture was firm, yet creamy. Kind of like jackfruit. It had approx. 10-12 seeds. The taste was VERY GOOD! It was kind of like custard apple (but not as "custardy"), and the end flavor notes for me were strawberry and watermelon. Regardless, it is a great tasting fruit, a beautiful, precocious, productive tree, and it fruits in the off-season, with a long harvest period.
If interested in Wayne's info, PM me.
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Sorry just getting to reporting this now.
So I've never had a cherimoya before. I have had a few atemoyas and sugar apples to compare it to.
Also, I might have waited a little too long to eat the dream fruit. Like others might have said, you wait till it just gets a little softer. It's still pretty firm when it's ready. Mine started to form some little black spots and I noticed it actually started to crack in one place. I'm guessing that's too long.
The taste is very sweet, and packed with great flavor. The flavor reminded me of pineapple and mango. The texture to me is like biting in to a nice pineapple slice. It kinda has a crunch or crispness to it while still being soft and somewhat custard like. It is firmer than sugar apples or the atemoyas I've had, and I do prefer softer melting textures. It's no wonder that my favorite fruits are genip and mangosteen and I prefer the softer custardy sugar apples. I even find rollinia pleasant. Despite me wishing it was more custardy it's excellent flavor more than makes up for that. I haven't compared them side by side yet, but I imagine even my nice red sugar apples and lisa atemoyas will taste flat in comparison.
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Thanks gunnar and TetsuO.
I really looking forward to the day mine bears fruit.
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Any updates on how these beauties are doing? Is anyone besides Wayne selling these? I tried emailing him at the email on the first page but it got bounced back.
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Any updates on how these beauties are doing? Is anyone besides Wayne selling these? I tried emailing him at the email on the first page but it got bounced back.
Here's what I have:
katway@outlook.com
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Awesome, thanks!
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For anyone interested, that email is good, and he says he hopes to have some ready late spring/early summer.
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yo!
if you go see Wayne, ask about that Island Gold (Red's Dumpster) Carambola!!
and also...he has a "Peruvian Red" sugar apple he has selected...(I think that's what he calls it)...he says its a winner! I believe him! He gave me one to trial...I'll let you know how it compares to the big red, and kampong mauve.
Any updates on how these beauties are doing? Is anyone besides Wayne selling these? I tried emailing him at the email on the first page but it got bounced back.
Here's what I have:
katway@outlook.com
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My Dream atemoya seems to not be showing much vigor. Do you suppose it doesn't like being this far south?
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My Dream atemoya seems to not be showing much vigor. Do you suppose it doesn't like being this far south?
yikes!
maybe planting location?
I can't imagine it being sensitive to heat...
it's a tank! has handled heat and drought better than most fruit trees I can think of!
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How long has it been planted? What is your soil like? What fertilizers have you used?
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How long has it been planted? What is your soil like? What fertilizers have you used?
My soil is sandy as I'm less than a mile from the beach. (In my neighborhood there are several slash pines with huge trunks, remnants of the original tree cover.) I use composted manure (from Home Depot) to enrich the soil for this tree. I fertilize with regular fruit tree formula, such as what Excalibur sells. The tree has been in the ground almost 2 years. Do you any suggestions, Har?
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My Dream atemoya seems to not be showing much vigor. Do you suppose it doesn't like being this far south?
My Dream is still quite small, but it was planted in November/December and has flushed out like crazy in the last 2-3 months. It seems very happy in my yard, so I strongly doubt it has to do with latitude. I also have sandy soil, though you are much closer to the coast than I am.
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How long has it been planted? What is your soil like? What fertilizers have you used?
My soil is sandy as I'm less than a mile from the beach. (In my neighborhood there are several slash pines with huge trunks, remnants of the original tree cover.) I use composted manure (from Home Depot) to enrich the soil for this tree. I fertilize with regular fruit tree formula, such as what Excalibur sells. The tree has been in the ground almost 2 years. Do you any suggestions, Har?
I have never been a fan of products like these from the box stores.
Do you know what rootstock it was grafted on to?
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How long has it been planted? What is your soil like? What fertilizers have you used?
My soil is sandy as I'm less than a mile from the beach. (In my neighborhood there are several slash pines with huge trunks, remnants of the original tree cover.) I use composted manure (from Home Depot) to enrich the soil for this tree. I fertilize with regular fruit tree formula, such as what Excalibur sells. The tree has been in the ground almost 2 years. Do you any suggestions, Har?
I have never been a fan of products like these from the box stores.
Do you know what rootstock it was grafted on to?
I know you're asking John, but mine was grafted (by Wayne) onto itself. But, I recall him saying he had some trees on different rootstocks like cherimoya and pond apple.
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Do you know what rootstock it was grafted on to?
I don't know about the rootstock, Rob--whatever Wayne was using when he created this batch of trees two years ago.
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After finishing other details of planting, adding an inch-deep (or less) layer of compost over the native sand, to privide an instant topsoil, is fine; however, if compost is put into the planting hole, it can interfere with drainage, and increase chance of root-rot.
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After finishing other details of planting, adding an inch-deep (or less) layer of compost over the native sand, to privide an instant topsoil, is fine; however, if compost is put into the planting hole, it can interfere with drainage, and increase chance of root-rot.
Har - your thoughts as to the rootstock its on having an effect?
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Sorry I'm not answering for Har, but I doubt Wayne would use a rootstock that is not good for growing in FL.
After finishing other details of planting, adding an inch-deep (or less) layer of compost over the native sand, to privide an instant topsoil, is fine; however, if compost is put into the planting hole, it can interfere with drainage, and increase chance of root-rot.
Har - your thoughts as to the rootstock its on having an effect?
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I have seen plants on the same rootstock react differently when grown in different locations. Not saying this is the cause but i would think it could have something to do with it
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Where can I get my hands on a plant? who sells it?
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try Flying Fox
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try Flying Fox
If I sell any this year it will most likely be prehealed plants only..i'd say chances of a take are about 80%...I will price them pretty cheap...like $15 per plant...just to try to spread them around, and supply some people
but honestly, I'm dedicating most of my energy to propagating other species for 2016...the Annonas are unfortunately on the backburner this year.
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put me on that list whenever you get around to it, adam. This plant sounds promising for my area here, would love to get my hands on it.
Any other online sources for the plant?
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put me on that list whenever you get around to it, adam. This plant sounds promising for my area here, would love to get my hands on it.
Any other online sources for the plant?
if u have rootstock, get some scions, that is the fastest cheapest way!
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are they tough to graft? and what would be a good rootstock for it that's fairly cold hardy?
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you could get one directly from wayne if he has any available. his contact info is above. i think i got mine for $30-40
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I try sending him an email. What size are they and is that with shipping?
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I just noticed two flowers developing on my dream cherimoya. I found that surprising, has anyone else had flowers during this time of the year before? I believed the tree to be completely dormant at the moment, it's almost completely defoliated. Although I am seeing an avocado tree pushing out flowers now and some other previously dormant trees pushing out a bunch of new growth despite this still relatively cold weather.
Last year I only got flowers on the dream during summer, coinciding with the main flowering period for my sugar apple and atemoya.
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We visited Wayne just after the New Year. He had one big Dream left and two smaller ones of whichI bought one.
The price would not be with shipping. He is a great host and has a lot of cool stuff to look at. Lisa bought a grafted Miami Soursop while we were there as well. So he has other things for sale as well.
The one I bought was grafted onto cherimoya. That is the right email. I put my in a bigger size pot and will plant in spring. Doing well so far.
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Got a reply from Wayne saying he doesn't ship his plants :'(
Looks like I'll have to try grafting instead. I'll have to get my hands on a cherimoya seedling here and see if I can find someone here that can spare me some budwood. When's the best time to be grafting these?
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Super sad to hear he doesn't ship especially since these are supposed to be hardy to the low 20s.
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wow really? Any source for that info? And how well do they handle heat?
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wow really? Any source for that info? And how well do they handle heat?
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We were told it was field tested in Ocala, which will be in the freeze warning zone tonight.
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Anyone know if the katway email still works? I'm hoping get one this weekend. Hopefully he's in town.
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it should work. If you look back on this thread wayne had contacted someone who just wrote him. He will respond in time but has a day job also.
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We were told it was field tested in Ocala, which will be in the freeze warning zone tonight.
I've got mine in the ground in Ocala. Doesn't seem to have any damage so far this year. I think I got down to 28 one night but the Dream is in a slightly protected spot.
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it should work. If you look back on this thread wayne had contacted someone who just wrote him. He will respond in time but has a day job also.
Ok thanks,
I sent an email yesterday. So we'll see what happens
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28 in Ocala. If it can take your for sure going to have a freeze area, looks good for those south of you. Have you had fruit yet.
I am going to plant mine on the north side of the house as the warm side is quite busy. Good to know it should thrive there.
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28 in Ocala. If it can take your for sure going to have a freeze area, looks good for those south of you. Have you had fruit yet.
I am going to plant mine on the north side of the house as the warm side is quite busy. Good to know it should thrive there.
I got one fruit last season. I only planted it last spring though. It was potted before that.
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Nice... Keep us posted and get us some pics when you get some fruit. I will be putting mine in the ground very soon.
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I'm near By brandenton today. I emailed Wayne on Tuesday haven't heard back yet.
Does his place have any normal hours? Or is it by appointment appointment only?
If he has a number I can call PM please.
Thanks
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No real hours that I know of; he sells the plants from his backyard nursery. I think I remember getting emails back around 9am last I'd been emailing back and forth with him.
I'm near By brandenton today. I emailed Wayne on Tuesday haven't heard back yet.
Does his place have any normal hours? Or is it by appointment appointment only?
If he has a number I can call PM please.
Thanks
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Ok thanks hopefully I hear back from him today. Really looking forward to finally getting one of his atemoyas
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If he has both options, I'd recommend one on cherimoya or atemoya rootstock. My friend and I each got one on pond apple and they look pitiful compared to the one I got from him on cherimoya.
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Ok thanks. I'll keep that in mind. First this first though, I have to hear back from him. Lol
Did you see any of his other stuff. Like sugar apple and starfruit?
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Yeah, he took me around a tour of the property. He has a bunch of cool mature fruit trees there. He was pretty excited about a year ago about a Che he had that he was going to try to propagate on mulberry rootstock.
I picked up a nice grimal jaboticaba and a redlands white sapote last I was there.
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Update.
Sold out. Maybe he'll have more ready in spring :'(
Update 2
Wayne was a great host. He has a lot of unique varieties.
Next time I get a house I'll be sure to get some of his selections in prime locations. Came back with a the red sugar apple from the Peruvian Amazon and island gold carambola (formerly red dumpster).
Hopefully next time dream both fruit and tree will be in stock.
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I'm not sure if this is delayed incompatibility or not, but my Dream on pond apple rootstock died. The rootstock cambium is still green, and the dream half of the tree is all brown.
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That sucks if the scion died! Wayne is a nice guy though, I am sure he would hook you up with a replacement.
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My "Dream" was a dud, too (and I'm VERY careful with my trees with an otherwise 100% success rate). Finally had to yank it a few months ago. He never offered to replace it for me, but I couldn't make the drive to Bradenton anyway. 50 bucks down the drain.
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When I was there a few months back. The only dream be had left was one on a pond apple stock. He refused to sell it citing questions on delay incompatibly (if you insist... I'm sure you can get it) . Seems like now he just grafts them onto dream seedlings.
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I emailed Wayne and he hit me back in a few hours to offer a replacement. Good to see him taking care of things.
Thanks for the info skhan.
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Hi Dom!
May I have Wayne Clifton's email? Thanks.
Onur
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Hi Dom!
May I have Wayne Clifton's email? Thanks.
Onur
Onur
Here's the email address I have for Wayne:
Wayne Clifton <katway@outlook.com>
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Is there anywhere locally (s. Fl) that I can get a Dream atemoya this weekend?
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I have one in Ft Myers. I am pretty sure thedom does as well.
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Please sat thedom is in Dade Broward or palm beach :)
Ft. Myers is a little out of my range...
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anyone have experience with wet feet with grafted plants from wayne? mine is soaked and leaned over from hermine despite being staked. i haven't gone back through the posts here yet, but i thought these were being grafted onto pond apple. anyone know?
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Some were grafted onto pond apple. Mine that was died in about a year after the graft. The others were on cherimoya I think.
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Hi Dom!
May I have Wayne Clifton's email? Thanks.
Onur
Onur
Here's the email address I have for Wayne:
Wayne Clifton <katway@outlook.com>
Thank you Michael! You are very kind! Although I saw this after few months... :)
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Some were grafted onto pond apple. Mine that was died in about a year after the graft. The others were on cherimoya I think.
I am in Naples. Do you have any Dreams or Geffner for sale or trade? PM thanks
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Some were grafted onto pond apple. Mine that was died in about a year after the graft. The others were on cherimoya I think.
I guess that's why mine also died. Does anyone currently have it for sale? I'd still like to grow it. (Is it really THAT GOOD?)
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Some were grafted onto pond apple. Mine that was died in about a year after the graft. The others were on cherimoya I think.
I guess that's why mine also died. Does anyone currently have it for sale? I'd still like to grow it. (Is it really THAT GOOD?)
I think maybe one of the best tasting, and best adapted for growing in Central FL zone 9a.
Most cold tolerant atemoya i've seen so far, and highly productive without hand pollination.
That is why I'm so excited about them...but I could understand not getting so excited in CA...they have too many good atemoyas and cherimoyas there....lol...conditions are better for the growers over there...(JF know what I'm talking about ;D )
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My Dream on glabra died of incompatability issues. The root stock is healthy but the Dream portion died. My Dream on a Lisa seedling is robust.
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Anyone have updates on their trees? I have a few fruit holding but the cold weather/lack of fertilizer has the tree looking a little shabby. Should i fertilize this time of year? I'm about 30 min north of Tampa.
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You could add Calcium sulfate (Gypsum), and any other fertilizer except Nitrogen, this time of year. Late February or early March would be good to start back adding Nitrogen.
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When are you supposed to pull the leaves off
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I have a Mr. Minh atemoya growing, i believe it is 3 years old and growing very fast. It is currently growing under light in my shop.
It is in full leaf now. The tree is 9 ft wide and 7 ft tall. When do you strip the leaves off and prune the tree. Last spring on advise from a member i pruned the tree pretty good and as you can see it is big again.
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I have a Mr. Minh atemoya growing, i believe it is 3 years old and growing very fast. It is currently growing under light in my shop.
It is in full leaf now. The tree is 9 ft wide and 7 ft tall. When do you strip the leaves off and prune the tree. Last spring on advise from a member i pruned the tree pretty good and as you can see it is big again.
(https://s27.postimg.cc/ht26qpzy7/DSC01978_edited_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ht26qpzy7/)
Very nice Bob. Here is how your will look
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JF,i would like to use this tree to graft a couple varieties from your collection if anyway possible, appreciate your help come spring,Bob.
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Do these look like they were picked at the right stage? How do I know when they are ripe?
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Are they always so small?
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Not sure but these weren't hand pollinated
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Are they always so small?
so far in my experience, fruits are not large.
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Fruits are small on the large mother tree as well. I haven't had a chance to hand pollinate and push them on mine yet.
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Are they always so small?
so far in my experience, fruits are not large.
Do the ones in the picture look like they will ripen properly? How long do they need to ripen on the countertop?
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yea they look really nice, i think you'll be impressed by the flavor, and seed count...
maybe 5 days or more to ripen, just depends, but they kind of get a drab, dull looking appearance, and soften up slightly....u will kno...
Are they always so small?
so far in my experience, fruits are not large.
Do the ones in the picture look like they will ripen properly? How long do they need to ripen on the countertop?
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Awesome. Thanks Adam.
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Fruits are small on the large mother tree as well. I haven't had a chance to hand pollinate and push them on mine yet.
Would hand pollination really make a difference?
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Fruits are small on the large mother tree as well. I haven't had a chance to hand pollinate and push them on mine yet.
Would hand pollination really make a difference?
They would be fully filled out. I don't know how much the size increases with more pollen. I thick larger fruits are born on thicker wood and the largest flowers out of the groups. I have never seen a healthy established dream pushed with heavy pruning and hand pollination. I think mine is spitting out some flowers from my Irma pruning but I don't know if it is too late for the fruit mature to it's full potential.
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I don't think they will ever be huge though.
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Finally tasted my first dream fruit after 3+ years of planting and even though I haven't tried many anonas (custard apple and soursop), this lives up to the hype. I can taste guava, soursop and call me crazy, but even a mango-like flavor. Glad i was able to finally try it out.
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Finally tasted my first dream fruit after 3+ years of planting and even though I haven't tried many anonas (custard apple and soursop), this lives up to the hype. I can taste have, soursop and call me crazy, but even a mango-like flavor. Glad i was able to finally try it out.
one of most delicious, and easy to grow fruits for FL.
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Adam do you ever sell grafted Dreams?
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SO what is the issue with Cherimoya growing in Fla ??
Reason i ask, is, i am in New Orleans
a similar climate.
hot, high humidity...
i have a couple of Cherimoya growing from seed
they seem to be growing fine, but too small to have flowered yet.
Is Atemoya OK ?
i was going to graft Atemoya to the Cherimoya seedlings anyway.
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Adam do you ever sell grafted Dreams?
Annonas are so hard to keep up with, ive just been selling scions, but I think Dominic Leotti is grafting some, i got two from him, lol...even though i have two big trees.
Wayne Clifton has been pumping them out too..
and Sulcata Grove??
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Are these people selling to the general public or just to the in crowd? ;P Are they on the forum? I'd like to make contact, see if I can make my Dream a reality.
Anyone reading this who'd be willing to sell me a grafted Dream, pm me please!
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Are these people selling to the general public or just to the in crowd? ;P Are they on the forum? I'd like to make contact, see if I can make my Dream a reality.
Anyone reading this who'd be willing to sell me a grafted Dream, pm me please!
Dominic is on here as theDom, and i think sulcata groves has their business name, do a user name search on the forum and you should be able to send them a PM or email.
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Just noticed my Dream is flowering for the first time.
Completely unexpected havent really been checking as much on the garden since Irma..looks like I missed a couple opportunities to hand pollinate..
Ah well..
Question, is it normal to flower now?
(https://s1.postimg.cc/31che09oqz/20171016_161509.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/31che09oqz/)
(https://s1.postimg.cc/7guwj9x87f/20171016_161513.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7guwj9x87f/)
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They flower on new growth.
Irma defoliated.
Now there is new growth.
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So my dream has a full bloom for the first time..
Should I hand polinante or not? Tried a couple but they didnt take.
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I noticed the first little fruit on my tree yesterday and today I was showing it to my wife and
I saw about 4 more. :) I didn't hand pollinate.
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No need to hand pollinate. I recently stopped by Wayne's house and he showed me one of the trees that was full of blooms and fruits of all sizes. The original tree (attached picture below) was recovering from Irma since it lost a big limb.
(https://s31.postimg.cc/5axv98alj/IMG_02881.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5axv98alj/)
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The one I got from TheDom about a year ago--several inches tall at the time, it came in a tube--is now at least three feet and growing like mad. Very healthy tree. The one Wayne sold me for $50 a few years back (2015) didn't do anything--did not develop a root system, and finally just fell over one day, and that was it, even though I babied that tree like nobody's business! I didn't have the opportunity to try to get a replacement from him, not sure if he would have done that. I wrote to him, but didn't get the sense he was eager to. But Dom's the man. I bought a Calostro from him also, and when the graft fell off, he happily sent me a replacement. It's doing OK now, too (not anywhere near as robust as the Dream), even though it had appeared that Irma might have killed it.
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Did you get fruit when it flowered in October? Are you seeing fruit on the tree now?
Time of day is pretty important when hand pollinating. The window is only a few hours. I do atemoya around 7pm.
I have a dream in the ground and a couple in pots. I just recently planted the tree in the ground and I do not want it to set fruit. I have not hand pollinated it. It has had plenty of flowers but no fruit set. The trees in pots have had lots of flowers. The fruits on the trees are the ones I hand pollinated.
I have no doubt that under the right conditions, dream is self pollinating. Unfortunately, the conditions at my location require hand pollination to get fruit.
So my dream has a full bloom for the first time..
Should I hand polinante or not? Tried a couple but they didnt take.
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Everything I have from thedom has done exceptionally well. Including several dream and other annonas.
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Thanks for the input ..so I wont hand pollinate then.
I saw some fruit flies working an open flower...that's good right?
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Everything I have from thedom has done exceptionally well. Including several dream and other annonas.
Does anyone have a web-site or a phone number for this thedom fellow so I can order a dream.
Thanks, joe.
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He responded to this thread, send him a PM. Not sure what he has available this year
but the tree I got from him 2 years ago is setting fruit all over the place. I have never
eaten this and can't wait.
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He responded to this thread, send him a PM. Not sure what he has available this year
but the tree I got from him 2 years ago is setting fruit all over the place. I have never
eaten this and can't wait.
What is his user name?
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He responded to this thread, send him a PM. Not sure what he has available this year
but the tree I got from him 2 years ago is setting fruit all over the place. I have never
eaten this and can't wait.
What is his user name?
thedom
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He responded to this thread, send him a PM. Not sure what he has available this year
but the tree I got from him 2 years ago is setting fruit all over the place. I have never
eaten this and can't wait.
Come on man, you can't say something like that and not post at least one picture of this fruit set. ;) . Congrats on the Dream fruit set man, it is one heck of a fruit!
I don't have much of anything for sale this year unfortunately due to some rootstock dying unexpectedly on me (damping off) and life/business mostly taking up all of my time otherwise. I'm getting seeds going now for rootstock for Spring 2019, and hope to have lots of annonas available then.
Because I called out achetadomestica on pics, I should probably share one myself. This Dream on cherimoya roots was stepped up from a 7gal to a 15gal pretty recently at the time this pic was taken. Right now it has two fruits set and developing, I'll post some pics tomorrow afternoon sometime.
(https://s22.postimg.cc/fol4t65st/IMG_20180504_105919.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/fol4t65st/)
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So lots of flowers and no fruit set...took advice and didnt hand pollinate.
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I Want a tree if anyone has it for sale
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So lots of flowers and no fruit set...took advice and didnt hand pollinate.
As long as your tree is big enough to hold fruit I'd absolutely start hand pollinating. For me my Dream from Wayne on Dream seedling roots hasn't done great with natural fruit set. That could partially be because I've got it a little crowded with other trees nearby, but a Gefner I've got in similarly crowded conditions definitely sets a higher percentage on its own. Even with varieties that set well on their own, hand pollination is still recommended because you will tend to get more complete pollination which means larger fruit.
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Here's the pictures of the dream I got from Dom.
I counted 14 fruits yesterday and still flowering
(https://s22.postimg.cc/vlr9bhrdp/dream.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/vlr9bhrdp/)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/5dg4m5pal/dream_fruit.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/5dg4m5pal/)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/ovas24wj1/dream_fruit_2.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/ovas24wj1/)
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Here's the pictures of the dream I got from Dom.
I counted 14 fruits yesterday and still flowering
(https://s22.postimg.cc/vlr9bhrdp/dream.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/vlr9bhrdp/)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/5dg4m5pal/dream_fruit.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/5dg4m5pal/)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/ovas24wj1/dream_fruit_2.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/ovas24wj1/)
That's one beautiful little tree!
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So lots of flowers and no fruit set...took advice and didnt hand pollinate.
As long as your tree is big enough to hold fruit I'd absolutely start hand pollinating. For me my Dream from Wayne on Dream seedling roots hasn't done great with natural fruit set. That could partially be because I've got it a little crowded with other trees nearby, but a Gefner I've got in similarly crowded conditions definitely sets a higher percentage on its own. Even with varieties that set well on their own, hand pollination is still recommended because you will tend to get more complete pollination which means larger fruit.
Ok some more flowers are coming along, so will try...and yeah the tree is plenty big enough.
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Acheta - that is a beautiful tree. I got a Dream from Dom last year. It is growing well. Can't wait till it looks like yours and starts to fruit.
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Thanks Jackson and Johnb51.
Another amazing thing about this tree, it was flattened by Irma.
I can't wait to try the fruit!
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Hello All,,
Just had this yellow fruit in fruit and spice park, it does look like this dream cherimoya/
it must had been 3 to 4 LBS, the tree had no name. or can this be something else ?
(https://s22.postimg.cc/uxju2emlp/20180603_102716.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/uxju2emlp/)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/ezb4cafj1/20180603_103208.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ezb4cafj1/)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/5rivvlg6l/20180603_103206.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5rivvlg6l/)
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Hello All,,
Just had this yellow fruit in fruit and spice park, it does look like this dream cherimoya/
it must had been 3 to 4 LBS, the tree had no name. or can this be something else ?
(https://s22.postimg.cc/uxju2emlp/20180603_102716.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/uxju2emlp/)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/ezb4cafj1/20180603_103208.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ezb4cafj1/)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/5rivvlg6l/20180603_103206.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5rivvlg6l/)
That's Annona mucosa, formerly known as Rollinia deliciosa/Rollinia mucosa, AKA Biriba.
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Thanks Jackson and Johnb51.
Another amazing thing about this tree, it was flattened by Irma.
I can't wait to try the fruit!
That is a great looking tree, nice work!
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Hello fellow members...
I successfully grafted a dream _____ (fill in the blank with atemoya, chirimoya or whatever you see fit) onto a chirimoya rootstock last.... may I wanna say or some time around there...
It's grown quite a bit eventhough it is in a pot and the person who was supposed to take care of it nearly left it to die of thirst while I was taking a trip to the tropical coast of Spain in search for other tropicals to bring back home.
Anyway... I'm very happy with how much it has grown so far.... much less with it's shape and I really don't know how to prune it. It seems it doesn't want to grow in 3 dimensions but only 2, which makes it looks like a peacock's tail...
I'm afraid that any storm that comes by might totally uproot it or break it or twist it down to the trunk.
What do you guys suggest???
(https://s15.postimg.cc/5lj0lc887/IMG_1123_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5lj0lc887/)
(https://s15.postimg.cc/kirhlyg7b/IMG_1124_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kirhlyg7b/)
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After those branches go dormant, the next season's growth will be in the other two directions, from the sides of those branches.
You could have made it three-dimensional already this season by twisting the main trunk a little when it was tender.
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TFF Members,
I followed this very interesting topic from its beginning and became excited to learn that the apparently very cold tolerant Chirimoya/Atemoya cultivar 'DREAM' was being produced by a gentleman in Bradenton.
I had been trying to decide on the best Atemoya for me in Zone 9b which might be a bit cold tolerant.
'Gefner' had seemed a good choice, but then I was alerted to this topic on TFF where the members were excited about 'DREAM' and that it was tolerating temps in the 20s!
So here is an update on 'DREAM's' availbility from WC in Bradenton, whom I contacted to ask about getting one. The gentleman replied promptly but advised me that he is no longer producing 'DREAM'.
Alas, I seem to have come late to the banquet, as it were.
So . . . . Does anyone here on TFF know of a source of 'DREAM' grafter onto Atemoya or Chirimoya?
I'm in Tampa so could come pick one up if it weren't too far, say Orlando or Bradenton/Sarasota of closer.
Please PM me if you have grafted plants or know someone who does. I'd like somethng that's about 3gal size if possible.
ˇPuras Frutas!
Paul M.
Tampa –Zone 9b
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Well, that is shocking! Did he say why?
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I was told Dream is the same as Arka Sahan Atemoya, is that correct?
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I was told Dream is the same as Arka Sahan Atemoya, is that correct?
There's been a heated debate on this topic and some believe yes and no. I planted a couple seeds
this year and was thinking if the dream is truly a cherimoya like some say then it should have
the same traits as the mother tree? I meant to plant 10 or more but I had allot of seeds going at
once and it didn't happen. If the dream is indeed an atemoya then the seedlings should be more variable?
I have read there are a few people raising them side by side and should have a definitive answer dwon the road
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TFF Members,
I followed this very interesting topic from its beginning and became excited to learn that the apparently very cold tolerant Chirimoya/Atemoya cultivar 'DREAM' was being produced by a gentleman in Bradenton.
I had been trying to decide on the best Atemoya for me in Zone 9b which might be a bit cold tolerant.
'Gefner' had seemed a good choice, but then I was alerted to this topic on TFF where the members were excited about 'DREAM' and that it was tolerating temps in the 20s!
So here is an update on 'DREAM's' availbility from WC in Bradenton, whom I contacted to ask about getting one. The gentleman replied promptly but advised me that he is no longer producing 'DREAM'.
Alas, I seem to have come late to the banquet, as it were.
So . . . . Does anyone here on TFF know of a source of 'DREAM' grafter onto Atemoya or Chirimoya?
I'm in Tampa so could come pick one up if it weren't too far, say Orlando or Bradenton/Sarasota of closer.
Please PM me if you have grafted plants or know someone who does. I'd like somethng that's about 3gal size if possible.
ˇPuras Frutas!
Paul M.
Tampa –Zone 9b
The consensus is that the spring is the best time to graft Annonas. This is late in the year to find dreams, but
Fruitscapes in Pine Island might have them? I would suggest looking for seedling cherimoya/ sugar apples and
buy scions in the Spring and do your own? I had my first dream fruit this year and my second year of fruit from
the Lisa atemoya. What a huge difference in fruit quality. The Lisa atemoya was my favorite fruit I produced this year
in my whole yard. I can't wait to see if the quality changes on the dream next year? I have been told the grafted
atemoyas have a short live span of around 10-12 year which is another reason to graft your own. Also you could send
forum member Vermented from Sarasota a PM, he has mentioned having several types of Atemoyas and is ahead of
most of us in acquiring some of the newest atemoyas and may have dream available in the Spring?
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I was told Dream is the same as Arka Sahan Atemoya, is that correct?
I know Wayne Clifton very well. I have the Dream origin story corraborated by Wayne and one of my best friends that has been in the tropical fruit societies since the late 1980s.
Dr. Paul Beaver was active in the local Rare Fruit Councils before I started growing. I believe he lived in Tampa and owns/runs Amazon eco tours through this company. https://perujungle.com/
Dr. Beaver supplied some seeds from Peru that Wayne grew out and Wayne ended up grafting the most vigorous seedling to an established in ground Annona.
Here are some pics of my homegrown Dream fruit from this year. No grit, no weird hard areas around the seeds and A++++ flavor.
The fruit tend to be small to medium size here in Florida and it doesn't seem to crop heavily but I haven't seen a tree really heavily pruned, hand pollinated and ideally fertilized and watered either.
I love this fruit.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4867/43931669990_e7ed4844ae_c.jpg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4809/43931669290_9fe304c051_c.jpg)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1912/43931666110_f04b30f883_c.jpg)
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I don't have any grafted at the moment. My yard/nursery is going through some renovations and I was going to concentrate on grafting some rarer stuff. They are around though. Good luck!
TFF Members,
I followed this very interesting topic from its beginning and became excited to learn that the apparently very cold tolerant Chirimoya/Atemoya cultivar 'DREAM' was being produced by a gentleman in Bradenton.
I had been trying to decide on the best Atemoya for me in Zone 9b which might be a bit cold tolerant.
'Gefner' had seemed a good choice, but then I was alerted to this topic on TFF where the members were excited about 'DREAM' and that it was tolerating temps in the 20s!
So here is an update on 'DREAM's' availbility from WC in Bradenton, whom I contacted to ask about getting one. The gentleman replied promptly but advised me that he is no longer producing 'DREAM'.
Alas, I seem to have come late to the banquet, as it were.
So . . . . Does anyone here on TFF know of a source of 'DREAM' grafter onto Atemoya or Chirimoya?
I'm in Tampa so could come pick one up if it weren't too far, say Orlando or Bradenton/Sarasota of closer.
Please PM me if you have grafted plants or know someone who does. I'd like somethng that's about 3gal size if possible.
ˇPuras Frutas!
Paul M.
Tampa –Zone 9b
The consensus is that the spring is the best time to graft Annonas. This is late in the year to find dreams, but
Fruitscapes in Pine Island might have them? I would suggest looking for seedling cherimoya/ sugar apples and
buy scions in the Spring and do your own? I had my first dream fruit this year and my second year of fruit from
the Lisa atemoya. What a huge difference in fruit quality. The Lisa atemoya was my favorite fruit I produced this year
in my whole yard. I can't wait to see if the quality changes on the dream next year? I have been told the grafted
atemoyas have a short live span of around 10-12 year which is another reason to graft your own. Also you could send
forum member Vermented from Sarasota a PM, he has mentioned having several types of Atemoyas and is ahead of
most of us in acquiring some of the newest atemoyas and may have dream available in the Spring?
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Fruitscapes had a bunch of them earlier this year...
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Solid post Vernmented,
congrats on your fruit...
my trees died with hurricanes and freezes...
i sent scions to Hi and PR, and saw the fruits produced there, and they looked much larger (still medium, but medium large), they get golden shoulders, and have nice symmetrical shape.
everyone seems to love them.
btw
if you look at pics of both fruits, the Dream is smoother, all the Arkas I've seen have more prominent protuberances.
I was told Dream is the same as Arka Sahan Atemoya, is that correct?
I know Wayne Clifton very well. I have the Dream origin story corraborated by Wayne and one of my best friends that has been in the tropical fruit societies since the late 1980s.
Dr. Paul Beaver was active in the local Rare Fruit Councils before I started growing. I believe he lived in Tampa and owns/runs Amazon eco tours through this company. https://perujungle.com/
Dr. Beaver supplied some seeds from Peru that Wayne grew out and Wayne ended up grafting the most vigorous seedling to an established in ground Annona.
Here are some pics of my homegrown Dream fruit from this year. No grit, no weird hard areas around the seeds and A++++ flavor.
The fruit tend to be small to medium size here in Florida and it doesn't seem to crop heavily but I haven't seen a tree really heavily pruned, hand pollinated and ideally fertilized and watered either.
I love this fruit.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4867/43931669990_e7ed4844ae_c.jpg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4809/43931669290_9fe304c051_c.jpg)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1912/43931666110_f04b30f883_c.jpg)
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There are large one in SoCal but I consider them medium size aremoyas
(https://i.postimg.cc/sGK3W6YL/9096-DD95-CE9-F-4552-AADF-A5-BAD881667-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sGK3W6YL)
(https://i.postimg.cc/w35c1SPB/FA0-FDD0-A-E4-C2-4-C5-C-9-C6-E-77386-AB8-E241.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w35c1SPB)
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Frank,
What variety are those two fruits? Are they Dream atemoya? They look very tasty and great looking fruit to boot.
Vincent.
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Hello from Hawaii
Adam (flying fox fruits) sent me “dream” scions about 3-4 years ago and I was able to graft them on to cherimoya rootstock. Fast forward a few years and I got my first fruits this fall. 3 to be exact. I definitely had to hand pollinate, and I bagged the fruits.
But WOW! The flavor of this fruit is amazing. Probably the best atemoya I’ve ever had. And yeah I’m gonna go ahead and say this is an atemoya just based on the shape of the fruit and the large lumpy shoulders it had. Very few seeds. Great consistency. Just wow. Worth all the effort
(https://i.postimg.cc/4nWJ5kqn/BC95-B889-53-D8-43-EA-B011-C5627804025-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4nWJ5kqn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/F1rr3sP2/F756-BD96-A6-E0-411-C-AD87-FBF64-B29-C682.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F1rr3sP2)
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When would be the best time to graft this in S.Fl.
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Frank,
What variety are those two fruits? Are they Dream atemoya? They look very tasty and great looking fruit to boot.
Vincent.
Hey Vince
Here in SoCal we call dream by its original name Arka Sahan....we believe they are the same variety
(https://i.postimg.cc/nsdzYnWx/7-B598553-2-EDB-440-E-95-F3-169-A8844-F5-F5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nsdzYnWx)
(https://i.postimg.cc/LqhRSLyd/FF1-E5-C16-8-FCB-409-D-A473-100-A591-BEEE2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LqhRSLyd)
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Frank,
What variety are those two fruits? Are they Dream atemoya? They look very tasty and great looking fruit to boot.
Vincent.
Hey Vince
Here in SoCal we call dream by its original name Arka Sahan....we believe they are the same variety
(https://i.postimg.cc/nsdzYnWx/7-B598553-2-EDB-440-E-95-F3-169-A8844-F5-F5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nsdzYnWx)
(https://i.postimg.cc/LqhRSLyd/FF1-E5-C16-8-FCB-409-D-A473-100-A591-BEEE2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LqhRSLyd)
Hey JF, how are the dream in SoCal? I have some growing from seed right now (im in norcal) should I grow to maturity or use at root stalk in your opinion?
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Frank,
What variety are those two fruits? Are they Dream atemoya? They look very tasty and great looking fruit to boot.
Vincent.
Hey Vince
Here in SoCal we call dream by its original name Arka Sahan....we believe they are the same variety
(https://i.postimg.cc/nsdzYnWx/7-B598553-2-EDB-440-E-95-F3-169-A8844-F5-F5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nsdzYnWx)
(https://i.postimg.cc/LqhRSLyd/FF1-E5-C16-8-FCB-409-D-A473-100-A591-BEEE2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LqhRSLyd)
Hey JF, how are the dream in SoCal? I have some growing from seed right now (im in norcal) should I grow to maturity or use at root stalk in your opinion?
Arka Sahan are delicious unfortunately are not true to seeds you will have to graft them. My anona sale is in March 2019
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lol Dream is a seedling, so it's not the same.
Frank,
What variety are those two fruits? Are they Dream atemoya? They look very tasty and great looking fruit to boot.
Vincent.
Hey Vince
Here in SoCal we call dream by its original name Arka Sahan....we believe they are the same variety
(https://i.postimg.cc/nsdzYnWx/7-B598553-2-EDB-440-E-95-F3-169-A8844-F5-F5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nsdzYnWx)
(https://i.postimg.cc/LqhRSLyd/FF1-E5-C16-8-FCB-409-D-A473-100-A591-BEEE2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LqhRSLyd)
Hey JF, how are the dream in SoCal? I have some growing from seed right now (im in norcal) should I grow to maturity or use at root stalk in your opinion?
Arka Sahan are delicious unfortunately are not true to seeds you will have to graft them. My anona sale is in March 2019
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I wonder if anyone can verify if they had distributed budwood of Arka to South America (Peru) soon after it had been released?
I suppose Dream could have been a seedling of Arka that stayed true, I've seen this happen with some of the variable atemoyas that are not true from seed, like Lisa (48-26)...so every now and then you get a seedling that is just like the parent, or not much different, from a tree that normally produces highly variable offspring.
Wayne said he planted the original Dream from seed, and he's not a liar.
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I wonder if anyone can verify if they had distributed budwood of Arka to South America (Peru) soon after it had been released?
I suppose Dream could have been a seedling of Arka that stayed true, I've seen this happen with some of the variable atemoyas that are not true from seed, like Lisa (48-26)...so every now and then you get a seedling that is just like the parent, or not much different, from a tree that normally produces highly variable offspring.
Wayne said he planted the original Dream from seed, and he's not a liar.
Hey Adam
Scions can get mixed up and varieties renamed by mistake it happens all the time but as I remember Dream was advertised as dream cherimoya which is absolutely false. This is clearly an atemoya whatever name you want to call it.
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I wonder if anyone can verify if they had distributed budwood of Arka to South America (Peru) soon after it had been released?
I suppose Dream could have been a seedling of Arka that stayed true, I've seen this happen with some of the variable atemoyas that are not true from seed, like Lisa (48-26)...so every now and then you get a seedling that is just like the parent, or not much different, from a tree that normally produces highly variable offspring.
Wayne said he planted the original Dream from seed, and he's not a liar.
Hey Adam
Scions can get mixed up and varieties renamed by mistake it happens all the time but as I remember Dream was advertised as dream cherimoya which is absolutely false. This is clearly an atemoya whatever name you want to call it.
it being a seedling of Arka that stayed somewhat true is a logical explanation, if indeed, Wayne didn't mix things up.
i think everyone pretty much agreed a long time ago that it's most likely an atemoya.
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i remember reading arka sahan wasnt a f1 cross to begin with
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I wonder if anyone can verify if they had distributed budwood of Arka to South America (Peru) soon after it had been released?
I suppose Dream could have been a seedling of Arka that stayed true, I've seen this happen with some of the variable atemoyas that are not true from seed, like Lisa (48-26)...so every now and then you get a seedling that is just like the parent, or not much different, from a tree that normally produces highly variable offspring.
Wayne said he planted the original Dream from seed, and he's not a liar.
Hey Adam
Scions can get mixed up and varieties renamed by mistake it happens all the time but as I remember Dream was advertised as dream cherimoya which is absolutely false. This is clearly an atemoya whatever name you want to call it.
it being a seedling of Arka that stayed somewhat true is a logical explanation, if indeed, Wayne didn't mix things up.
i think everyone pretty much agreed a long time ago that it's most likely an atemoya.
My apologies for reviving an old post, but I find this identification process fascinating! The visual comparison of the 'dream' varietal to other varietals is ambiguous enough that this thread continued for 6 years before an identification was made, with the 'dream' mother tree likely being named years before that.
What puzzles me is that the most unique feature of the 'dream' varietal was that it was able to survive to 20F or lower, and to my beginners understanding was an extremely novel feature. To my knowledge, only Asiminas and Mountain annonas were able to achieve this feat of lower temperature survival. Was the arka sahan known for being able to survive to 20F before the 'dream' was discovered? Aside from the data on the 'dream' atemoya located in this thread, I'm otherwise unable to find any data on the arka sahan cold hardiness.
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Anyone getting reliable crops from dream annona/ is it a good producer?
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Yes I got fruit the past 2 years without hand pollination.
My Tim and Lisa produced more last year. The dream is a smaller
tree.
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Man, is there any way I could trade or purchase Dream scions or even seeds from, anybody? I'm dying to grow a cold hardy annona here in North Fl. Its like ya'll are torturing me for living here.
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How thick are the leaves of 'Dream' versus other cherimoyas? There are many hints that there's something special with this variety (the cold tolerance, the relative lack of seeds, that it fruits reliably without hand-pollination, that I've heard it's a bit difficult to graft but does better on its own offspring). I'm wondering if the leaves are approximately 50% thicker than a normal cherimoya - this would indicate a ploidy difference ;)
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The leaves are not significantly thicker than other Cherimoya.
I have a few Dream tree’s in the ground and no luck with them being self pollinating here in Nor Cal.
Still no fruits after a bunch of years they’ve flowered.
I tried a self pollinating one in Hawaii and delicious fruit.
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How thick are the leaves of 'Dream' versus other cherimoyas? There are many hints that there's something special with this variety (the cold tolerance, the relative lack of seeds, that it fruits reliably without hand-pollination, that I've heard it's a bit difficult to graft but does better on its own offspring). I'm wondering if the leaves are approximately 50% thicker than a normal cherimoya - this would indicate a ploidy difference ;)
I have heard of several forum members that have lost their dreams to cold at much
higher temps then 19F. Just a reminder there are factors to consider on cold nights.
We were 29F one morning last year and there was no frost and minimal damage to
any trees. There was a very strong wind all night. A couple years ago we had a 30F night
and I had allot of damage to leaves on several trees. Another big factor is length of time
the tree is exposed to cold. I know one person said his dream died at 25 or 26F one night.
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The leaves are not significantly thicker than other Cherimoya.
I have a few Dream tree’s in the ground and no luck with them being self pollinating here in Nor Cal.
Still no fruits after a bunch of years they’ve flowered.
I tried a self pollinating one in Hawaii and delicious fruit.
Okay good to hear.
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I have heard of several forum members that have lost their dreams to cold at much
higher temps then 19F. Just a reminder there are factors to consider on cold nights.
We were 29F one morning last year and there was no frost and minimal damage to
any trees. There was a very strong wind all night. A couple years ago we had a 30F night
and I had allot of damage to leaves on several trees. Another big factor is length of time
the tree is exposed to cold. I know one person said his dream died at 25 or 26F one night.
Of course - there are many more factors than just genetics to frost tolerance :) But I think it sounds like good genetics.