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Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« on: August 03, 2018, 11:00:55 AM »
I'm expecting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings to arrive in the mail today...
 and I was hoping to get some advice as how best to root them.
Thank you for your help.

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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2018, 11:06:40 AM »
I usually take cuttings in late fall after leaf drop and cut about 12" and stick 3/4 of cutting in fast draining soil. Cutting will show growth in Spring. Best of luck with you cutting i would treat them the same way! ;)

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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2018, 11:14:32 AM »
Thanks for the info...
I've been trying to root Pakistan and Everbearing Dwarf types this summer from my own Mother trees.
The Everbearing ones look to be rooting or at least leafing out fairly quickly. The Pakistan... not so much.

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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2018, 12:18:16 PM »
The first time I tried Pakistan I got 2 out of 3, they were dormant cuttings. It was
winter and the tree was in North Florida and had lost all it's leaves.
 
I get confused by the common names but
some people call the Shangri La the large leaf type. The large leaf one I have has rooted very easy.
I simply put them in a one gallon pot with damp dirt on a porch.  I would say 75%+ have rooted.
I cut the cutting on a slant right below a node and bury the node.
Good Luck!   

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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2018, 12:59:11 PM »
That's basically the way I have been doing it... but I also dip the cuttings in rooting hormone powder.

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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2018, 01:03:39 PM »
What's the advantage of cutting them on a slant?

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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2018, 02:29:57 PM »
What's the advantage of cutting them on a slant?

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More area to root?

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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2018, 06:21:12 PM »
Well the cuttings arrived this afternoon... so I trimmed them where needed... dipped them in rooting hormone powder... planted them...watered and plastic bagged them... and put them in a cooler area in the shade under the bench of my greenhouse.

We'll see...

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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2018, 06:33:49 PM »
I usually take cuttings in late fall after leaf drop and cut about 12" and stick 3/4 of cutting in fast draining soil. Cutting will show growth in Spring. Best of luck with you cutting i would treat them the same way! ;)

Root hormone or not necessary?
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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2018, 06:53:29 PM »
In the past when I have had multiple cuttings I tried
a couple different ways like rooting hormone, honey, and nothing.
I have also cut the bottom out of 2 liter plastic bottles and covered the cutting
to create more humidity. I never had more success using rooting hormone?

The good news is most mulberries root very easy.
I usually leave one small leaf or a half leaf. Allot of times the mulberry
puts out flowers when you are rooting it and it ends up with a couple
small fruit. I snip them off so the cutting concentrates on rooting not fruiting.
It's amazing how fast the roots come out of the bottom of the pot when they take.



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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2018, 10:29:30 PM »
Do you see any advantage to removing some of the outer layer of bark at the bottom of the cutting?
I read about that or saw a video referencing that technique.
I tried it and applied rooting hormone powder.
Meh!

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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2018, 10:35:44 PM »
In the past when I have had multiple cuttings I tried
a couple different ways like rooting hormone, honey, and nothing.
I have also cut the bottom out of 2 liter plastic bottles and covered the cutting
to create more humidity. I never had more success using rooting hormone?

The good news is most mulberries root very easy.
I usually leave one small leaf or a half leaf. Allot of times the mulberry
puts out flowers when you are rooting it and it ends up with a couple
small fruit. I snip them off so the cutting concentrates on rooting not fruiting.
It's amazing how fast the roots come out of the bottom of the pot when they take.

Thanks.  I have a newish himalayan mulberry tree that was grafted.  Not sure why it was grafted if they are so easy to propgate via cuttings? 

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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2018, 10:49:32 PM »
I think removing the lower bark has the same effect as cutting diagonally or on a slant?
I have even heard of taking a sharp knife and scratching the surface off the bottom node.
If you have the large leaf variety that I do you will have no problem.  One of the first times
I tried rooting mulberries I stuck 4 cuttings in a 3 gallon and was hoping one would take. I didn't
use rooting hormone or anything or a plastic cover. All 4 cuttings took and the roots got entangled
and I only ended up getting 2 to live. It was amazing how fast the roots grew. The tree I have gets
huge like an oak tree and has wonderful large messy fruit. Supposedly the tree grows well in humid Florida and
up North. It's defintely a winner if you have the room. No water no Fertilizer and a bountiful crop every Spring.

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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2018, 10:57:41 PM »
In the past when I have had multiple cuttings I tried
a couple different ways like rooting hormone, honey, and nothing.
I have also cut the bottom out of 2 liter plastic bottles and covered the cutting
to create more humidity. I never had more success using rooting hormone?

The good news is most mulberries root very easy.
I usually leave one small leaf or a half leaf. Allot of times the mulberry
puts out flowers when you are rooting it and it ends up with a couple
small fruit. I snip them off so the cutting concentrates on rooting not fruiting.
It's amazing how fast the roots come out of the bottom of the pot when they take.

Thanks.  I have a newish himalayan mulberry tree that was grafted.  Not sure why it was grafted if they are so easy to propgate via cuttings?

There are a few types that are extremely hard to root

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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2018, 12:53:28 PM »
In the past when I have had multiple cuttings I tried
a couple different ways like rooting hormone, honey, and nothing.
I have also cut the bottom out of 2 liter plastic bottles and covered the cutting
to create more humidity. I never had more success using rooting hormone?

The good news is most mulberries root very easy.
I usually leave one small leaf or a half leaf. Allot of times the mulberry
puts out flowers when you are rooting it and it ends up with a couple
small fruit. I snip them off so the cutting concentrates on rooting not fruiting.
It's amazing how fast the roots come out of the bottom of the pot when they take.

Thanks.  I have a newish himalayan mulberry tree that was grafted.  Not sure why it was grafted if they are so easy to propgate via cuttings?


grafting is better if the graft union is good.
mulberry can get quite large, and having it on seed-grown would have a taproot
and better rooting all together i imagine....

my Pakistani is grafted, and its quite strong, and vigorous.
not sure what they used as rootstock,
but red and white both grow here (South Louisiana) like weeds.





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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2018, 01:43:07 AM »
I've been attempting to root cuttings of Dwarf Everbearing and they seem to root quickly. New leaves grow quickly. The Pakistan cuttings not so much. I'll hang in there though...

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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2018, 06:11:32 AM »
I originally got 3 cuttings from a Pakistan that were dormant cuttings.
I got 2 out of 3 to root. I gave one to a friend and planted one.
Mine died the first Winter after a 30F night. My friend had airlayered
the tree I gave him and gave me the airlayer. That is the tree I have now.
He said it was very easy to airlayer?

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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2018, 11:03:27 AM »
I usually take cuttings in late fall after leaf drop and cut about 12" and stick 3/4 of cutting in fast draining soil. Cutting will show growth in Spring. Best of luck with you cutting i would treat them the same way! ;)

Root hormone or not necessary?
Yes, I have all ways used rooting hormone on my cuttings and the slanted cut with bark removed opposite side from bud.Hormone strength doesn't seem to matter just some type of root hormone.

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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2018, 12:43:08 PM »
I have a very large Pakistan that has delicious fruit... but has grown too large to be practical.
I plan to cut it back this winter... but I want to root some backups in case my pruning kills the tree.
I also have an Everbearing Dwarf that is growinging in a bad spot and I want to create backups of it as well.
I have plenty of material to experiment with. And I'm trying every variation I can...
No leaves on cuttings...
3 leaves (cut in half) left on cuttings...
Covered in plastic bags....
No plastic bag....
Inside greenhouse...
Outside the greenhouse (in shade)...
2 nodes beneath the soil...
One node beneath the soil.
The common denominator is... I use rooting hormone powder on all of them.
I even bought a few rooted cuttings of Pakistan from Wellspring Nursery on eBay for additional backup:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Long-Mulberry-Tree-Pakistan-Black-Mulberry-Tree-Morus-nigra-Live-Plant-Fruit/192536062123?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Decent price for starter plants.

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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2018, 01:30:03 PM »
I also use the HMS to keep them moist: Human Misting System...
I hit them with a fine mist from the hose several times a day.

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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2018, 11:37:42 AM »
The Everbearing Dwarf Mulberry cuttings seem to sprout so quickly... I wonder if they would sprout in water alone?
Anyone tried this?
I'll give it a try today.

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Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2018, 06:20:03 PM »
It's been 10 day and the 5 Shangri La cuttings are already sprouting new greenery.
I have them in soil with rooting hormone, bagged and in the semi shade under my greenhouse bench.
So far so good!
Today I stuck a Dwarf Everbearing stem in a flower vase with water and placed it under my kitchen counter lights as an experiment. They seem to sprout so easily!

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