Author Topic: Plinia sp. Peluda de Alagoas, an early bearing variety of Jaboticaba (Grimal)  (Read 40188 times)

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I suppose Adam. Production goes through the roof by the 3rd year of production and you get bucket loads.

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I suppose Adam. Production goes through the roof by the 3rd year of production and you get bucket loads.

if you topwork a larger tree, instead of grafting onto a single stem on a small seedling, the grafts will fruit even sooner, sometimes within the first year you will get flowers, and fruit by the second...but it depends on the variety, and the maturity of the scions.

(I have seen scions fruit the first year of grafting, but this is unusual)
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Grimal Jabotacaba it is a good tree more tolerant of alkali soils than other jabos. The original tree in the US is about a mile from my house.

Is that original tree at Adolf Grimal's place? How are the restoration efforts going there? Is it attracting lots of visitors yet?
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It sure is pretty..:)

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That's a beauty ;) 8)

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do you have any of these in 3gal  or 5gal adam? if so how much?

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do you have any of these in 3gal  or 5gal adam? if so how much?

sold out of plants that are decent sized...

will be grafting a small batch after my trees are finished fruiting (in about 30 days?)

have lots of small seedlings...$10 ea, about 5-6inch tall in plugs.

they are great because they're super heat tolerant, and relatively precocious, fruiting in 5-7yr...often closer to 5.

also tolerant of city water...

and still the best variety I've tasted
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Ok cool was hoping to get a larger size though :)
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I recently transplanted some Grimal Jabuticaba trees from 15 gal, into heavy duty 25 gal pots with reservoirs built in at the base.

some of the trees have light crops, and some are bare...but one is going crazy..(this is the 3rd crop this year...one was light, one was heavy)

Admittedly, I have been over-watering them...although the trees don't mind, the fruits will split when they are close to maturity. 

You can see the minerals from the water on the skin of the fruits, making them look chalky. 









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Beautiful Adam, happy grimal's ;D 8)

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I recently transplanted some Grimal Jabuticaba trees from 15 gal, into heavy duty 25 gal pots with reservoirs built in at the base.

some of the trees have light crops, and some are bare...but one is going crazy..(this is the 3rd crop this year...one was light, one was heavy)

Admittedly, I have been over-watering them...although the trees don't mind, the fruits will split when they are close to maturity. 

You can see the minerals from the water on the skin of the fruits, making them look chalky. 










Adam.  Do you still have this tree? or fruiting Grimal?
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yea i got 10 of them or more, and last year we had hurricane, and freezes, pretty bad...the freezes came and i watered them constantly overhead to protect them with ice formation, but what happened is crazy, i think there's pics on my FB page, but the trees got covered in ice, and it weighed them down so heavily that they were toppled, and uprooted from the pots, i guess the roots hadn't fill out the new 30 gal pots i put them in sufficiently to keep them upright with all that ice formation, it was crazy like 26F one night, and 25F the other, the trees were frozen over, and sitting in pools of water, with their roots disturbed heavily, but i just set them back upright, and kept them tied up, so the wind wouldn't jostle the roots as they recovered, and now they are doing just fine, but this year, not much flowering so far, just a light bloom, and light crop setting now, hopefully later this year the put out a nice crop..

I recently transplanted some Grimal Jabuticaba trees from 15 gal, into heavy duty 25 gal pots with reservoirs built in at the base.

some of the trees have light crops, and some are bare...but one is going crazy..(this is the 3rd crop this year...one was light, one was heavy)

Admittedly, I have been over-watering them...although the trees don't mind, the fruits will split when they are close to maturity. 

You can see the minerals from the water on the skin of the fruits, making them look chalky. 










Adam.  Do you still have this tree? or fruiting Grimal?
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Why is Peluda de Alagoas (Large leaf Jaboticaba) still referred to as Plinia sp.? It is Plinia jaboticaba (distinct from Plinia cauliflora). If they are conspecific, then so should P. coronata be absorbed. At least, this is the way it was explained to me by Helton, who has read all of Mattos's original work. The key morphological difference is that P. cauliflora flowers on everything from trunk to thin branches, whereas P. jaboticaba only fruits on the thick branches. Varieties of cauliflora include Sabará, Paulista & ponhema. Varieties of jaboticaba include Olho de boi, Rajada, Pintada, açú etc... So PdA or Grimal is variety of P. jaboticaba. Or if you want to go with the current incorrect orthodoxy, a variety of P. cauliflora...
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they need to go through some official proceedings to designate a botanical name for Grimal jabo...i don't think it would be Plinia jaboticaba, but rather a new species, that has not been named.

Helton has done some great work, but I have seen quite a few debates arise due to his taxonomic beliefs.

Why is Peluda de Alagoas (Large leaf Jaboticaba) still referred to as Plinia sp.? It is Plinia jaboticaba (distinct from Plinia cauliflora). If they are conspecific, then so should P. coronata be absorbed. At least, this is the way it was explained to me by Helton, who has read all of Mattos's original work. The key morphological difference is that P. cauliflora flowers on everything from trunk to thin branches, whereas P. jaboticaba only fruits on the thick branches. Varieties of cauliflora include Sabará, Paulista & ponhema. Varieties of jaboticaba include Olho de boi, Rajada, Pintada, açú etc... So PdA or Grimal is variety of P. jaboticaba. Or if you want to go with the current incorrect orthodoxy, a variety of P. cauliflora...
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Grimal’s are great, still the fastest growing Jabo for me. Very resilient.
I wonder about the Taxonomy still.