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First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« on: May 20, 2019, 10:25:58 AM »
This year, after 6 years from crossing two of my Ichangstars (5starcitrumeloXCitrus Ichangensis are abundantly flowering for the first time
1232061:




The first flower has 8 petals, fruity perfume, close to that of ichangensis

Another hybrid- 1232060 had one non complete flower last year, but hundreds of flower buds now




I pollinated the castrated flowers of 5star with C.ichangensis pink flower clone from Baches nursery in the spring of 2012 and around 70 zygotic seedlings were planted in the ground next year.
Around two dozens survived without protection, the two that bloom now had no damage during this period.

Interestingly, that while 1232061 is blooming on most of its branches, the flowers on 1232060 appear on the lower part, on twigs with nod count almost two times less those at the top  of the bush.
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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2019, 02:50:59 PM »
Excellent work, Ilya! I look forward to seeing the fruit.

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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2019, 03:49:43 PM »
This will be very exciting. I am looking forward to see what the fruit eventually looks like. Might be several more years.

I would encourage you to possibly take some cuttings and grow them inside of a greenhouse too, just to speed the growth up.
(and in case you have an unexpectedly bad Winter)
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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2019, 04:53:48 PM »
I have a C. ichangensis X Citrumelo from Adavo (Adam Bajer) from Chech Rep. But it is trifoliate. Yours is not oviously.

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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2019, 05:44:17 PM »
It's good to see flowering and fruiting trees, in contrast to beat up seedlings in recovery!

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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2019, 06:08:33 PM »
(and in case you have an unexpectedly bad Winter)
I shall be much pleased to have such winter ;).
Too many seedlings in the ground.
Actually, quite sure that with so many flowers there will be some fruits this autumn. Both shrubs are quite big, around 2 m high with solid stems.
Leaves are  thick and leathery. 61st is monofoliate, while 60 occasionally has some bifoliate leaves.
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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2019, 06:19:04 PM »
I have a C. ichangensis X Citrumelo from Adavo (Adam Bajer) from Chech Rep. But it is trifoliate. Yours is not oviously.
Robert,
Are you sure? They have only citrumeloXYuzu in their catalogue, not an ichangensis hybrid.
Is your plant mature fruiting one?
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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2019, 03:16:39 AM »
You are right. I was misleaded by the dark purple colour of thje flush which reminded me strongly of my C. ichangensis IVIA. Same colour but trifoliate leaves. But it is CitrumeloXYuzu. Do you have it? Do you want it  ;) ?

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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2019, 03:27:55 AM »
I read on Czech forum that it is not yet fruiting. Actually have around 50 seedlings of 5starXYuzu, some are extremely vigorous.   
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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2019, 03:33:32 AM »
and what about the colour of the flush of your 5StarXYuzu seedlings? Purple or green?

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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2019, 09:07:33 AM »
The leaves are green and predominantly monofoliate.


This is a strongest one (1420025), grafted on 5star roots in 2016 it is now approaching 4 m in height.



I wonder what Adavo plant could be? Even in pure Yuzu reddish tint is apparent only on the young shoots and under a strong sun illumination.
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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2019, 02:52:59 PM »
That's why I thought of C. ichangensis IVIA. My IVIA has dark purple flush. But it is marked YuzuXCitrumelo
Your new hybrids are very impressive. It is one of these that carries flowers?

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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2019, 04:36:28 PM »
Do you bend the top to induce it to bloom?

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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2019, 06:38:22 PM »
Robert and Mikkel,
Yes, I bend the top of this hybrid for the induction of mature wood flush, it has not flowered yet.
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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2019, 10:48:42 PM »
Beautiful tree and nice work Ilya! Congrats. I'm interested to see how the fruit turn out.

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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2019, 03:27:15 AM »
Thank you, the fruits start to form now, hope they will be ripe before the winter.
As of today: 1232061




1232060


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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2019, 07:22:08 AM »
Are you already doing cross pollination with it?

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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2019, 08:42:59 AM »
For the moment, just a back cross to 5star
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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2019, 07:31:51 PM »
Awesome job! I have always thought that a citrumelo X ichangensis would be the best bet for a hardy lemon type looking fruit. I am very excited for you and wait for your evaluation on the fruit after ripening!

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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2019, 05:01:15 PM »
We shall see in the autumn 😊
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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2020, 08:14:43 AM »
and, has the fruit ripened yet?

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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2020, 12:59:46 AM »
Aha, Thanks.

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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2023, 12:14:27 PM »
This autumn I am able to compare fruits from four siblings of my 5starXC.Ichangensis cross of 2012 (Ichangstars)
First flowers of 123270:

This plant has the largest leaves , grow upright and is particularly strong.

123252 has been abundantly flowering already to three years,

 but only now was able to keep one fruit till maturity.
The plant has a spreading growth and is only partly evergreen, most leaves disappear late December.

Another variety: 123202 had first flower and one  fruit last year. Now it is bearing few dozens of fully ripe fruits.

My first hybrid of this series 123260 (Ichangstar60)  bear the  fruits every season since 2019, I have chosen the largest of its fruits for comparison:


The fruit of 123270 was fully ripe by the middle of October, it dropped to ground today, that of 123252 has still some green taint, the rest are fully colored but still are attached to the branches.


All fruits do not have any poncirus aftertaste nor internal oils, the most aromatic is 123202, followed by 123252 and 123260, they have different fragrance notes. But 123270 has only a very weak scent. Its taste is the best, very juicy soft fruit, almost no bitterness, acid like lemon, 10°Brix, weight 80g.
Fruit of 123202 is also soft and contains a lot of juice, but it is rather bitter and very acidic.
All these plants were in ground since 2012, non protected and never had any winter damage.



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Re: First bloom of my citrumeloXichanagensis hybrids
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2023, 12:35:09 PM »
Hello Ilya, congratulation to your post, very interesting and informative.
Very nice to see the success of your long time breeding project.
So your 123270 seems to be a very good result, extremely frosthardy,
tasty, not to seedy and early naturity.
Very very good, chapeau.
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