Sapote de Mico, Pouteria torta subps. gallifructa, sprouting

[FlyingFoxFruits]

I counted 5 sprouted out of 8 total seeds so far, I purchased from www.fruitlovers.com a while back (month or two max)....They look neat!

Anyone else have any idea or details about this weirdo looking rambutan abiu type fruit?

I'm growing for fun and to have for trade! Its rare you know! Lol

[fruitlovers]

Adam, thought you might like to see these photos of immature Pouteria torta subsp. gallifructa, Sapote de Mico, fruits on the trees. I think they are way cool looking! Very different from any other Pouterias. Look more like rambutans.
Green fruit closeup on tree

Green fruit clusters on tree

Ripe fruits

Oscar

[Tropicalgrower89]

Looks the tree is covered with sea urchins. lol Nice find! I'm pretty sure that are many more wild fruit trees out there for us to discover.

[murahilin]

Oscar, what does it taste like?

[Felipe]

Oscar told me they taste similar to abiu...

My seeds are slowly germinating, no leaves so far. Pretty slow for a Pouteria IMO 

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Oscar told me they taste similar to abiu...

My seeds are slowly germinating, no leaves so far. Pretty slow for a Pouteria IMO 

BTW FELIPE and OTHERS INTERESTED!

I have some very viable seeds of the P. torta (not the gallifructa subp.)...The fruits are fuzzy, and I love the leaves!!! and growth habit....The fruit isn't the sweetest I've read, but I'm sure us fruit lovers would love to have them just to snack on, maybe when other abius aren't in season? and who knows what benefit you may gain from the Pourteria torta vs. P. caimito? they have different genetic profiles and potentially contain contrasting botanic medicinal qualities.


Let me know if you are interested in the regular P. torta...it handles much more drought and cold I believe....considering it's deciduous and from the cerrado of Brazil.

THanks

[fruitlovers]

Oscar told me they taste similar to abiu...

My seeds are slowly germinating, no leaves so far. Pretty slow for a Pouteria IMO 

Yes, that's right, I think? I've never had them before. But i think all the Pouteria tortas are very similar in taste to abiu. There are 4 subspecies of Pouteria torta.
My gallifructa sprouted at about same speed as abiu.
Oscar

[fruitlovers]

Oscar told me they taste similar to abiu...

My seeds are slowly germinating, no leaves so far. Pretty slow for a Pouteria IMO 

BTW FELIPE and OTHERS INTERESTED!

I have some very viable seeds of the P. torta (not the gallifructa subp.)...The fruits are fuzzy, and I love the leaves!!! and growth habit....The fruit isn't the sweetest I've read, but I'm sure us fruit lovers would love to have them just to snack on, maybe when other abius aren't in season? and who knows what benefit you may gain from the Pourteria torta vs. P. caimito? they have different genetic profiles and potentially contain contrasting botanic medicinal qualities.


Let me know if you are interested in the regular P. torta...it handles much more drought and cold I believe....considering it's deciduous and from the cerrado of Brazil.

THanks

The gallifructa i think will handle more cold than the cerrado (savanna) type because gallifructa is from highlands of Guatemala, where it gets quite cool and foggy, but not freezing!
I've had the Pouteria torta subsp. glabra here. Also has fuzzy orange exterior, just like the cerrado fruit you mention. But the glabra had very nice taste. Some sweeter than abiu. But the fruit is quite smaller than abiu. But the glabra tree seems more disease resistant than abiu. So each has it's own good/bad.
I tried to grow the cerrado type here and they just don't like our high humidity and rainfall.
BTW, the 4 subspecies of torta are
cerrado type (savannas of Brazil) Pouteria torta subsp. torta
Central American type: Pouteria torta subsp. gallifructa
Pouteria torta subsp. tuberculata
Pouteria torta subsp. glabra
(Info from Pennington's Flora Neotropica, Sapotacea monograph)
Oscar
PS i love this species name "torta" because it means cake in spanish! You can have your cake and eat it too! 

[Felipe]

BTW FELIPE and OTHERS INTERESTED!

I have some very viable seeds of the P. torta (not the gallifructa subp.)...The fruits are fuzzy, and I love the leaves!!! and growth habit....The fruit isn't the sweetest I've read, but I'm sure us fruit lovers would love to have them just to snack on, maybe when other abius aren't in season? and who knows what benefit you may gain from the Pourteria torta vs. P. caimito? they have different genetic profiles and potentially contain contrasting botanic medicinal qualities.

Let me know if you are interested in the regular P. torta...it handles much more drought and cold I believe....considering it's deciduous and from the cerrado of Brazil.

Of course I would love to get some seeds! Where do you have the seeds from? What about the fruit qualiy?

I think Cerrado plants should do excellent in my place. We sure don't have humidity problems over here. No rain since frebruary 2011... 

[Tropicalgrower89]

PS i love this species name "torta" because it means cake in spanish! You can have your cake and eat it too! 

Torta doesn't mean cake in all Latin American countries.  For example, Cubans don't use the word Torta for cake. Back in the old days in Cuba, cakes were known as Pastel. Don't confuse that with pastelito cause it's something different.

We use "torta" as a short slang/abbreviation for the word Tortillera, which means Lesbian.   

It's interesting, cause even though all latin American countries speak the same language, they all have different ways of speaking.  A Spanish word could have different meanings, depending on what country from Latin America you're from.

[Tim]

ALL the Mexican supermarkets in my area have Tortillera dept, I should go grocery shopping more often and hope they're really Cuban owned 

[Felipe]

Alexi, Oscar is right. Torta is a big cake (in Spain we call it tarta), while pastel is small, and pastelillo smaller. See here:

http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=torta

We also call lesbians tortilleras...

[fruitlovers]

PS i love this species name "torta" because it means cake in spanish! You can have your cake and eat it too! 

Torta doesn't mean cake in all Latin American countries.  For example, Cubans don't use the word Torta for cake. Back in the old days in Cuba, cakes were known as Pastel. Don't confuse that with pastelito cause it's something different.

We use "torta" as a short slang/abbreviation for the word Tortillera, which means Lesbian.   

It's interesting, cause even though all latin American countries speak the same language, they all have different ways of speaking.  A Spanish word could have different meanings, depending on what country from Latin America you're from.

Spanish is my first language. Torta means cake in Spain and in all of spanish speaking South America. Pastel usually means pie, not cake. What you are saying about it meaning lesbian is purely slang, not official language. True every country has different slang.
Oscar

[Tropicalgrower89]

Alexi, Oscar is right. Torta is a big cake (in Spain we call it tarta), while pastel is small, and pastelillo smaller. See here:

http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=torta

We also call lesbians tortilleras...

Cool. Thanks Felipe!    You're a Spaniard?  My family actually originated from Spain. My grand father's family from my mom's side and my grandmother's family on my dad's side are from Austurias.  In the other hand, my grand mother's family on my mom's side are from the Canary Islands. If you see anyone over there with the last name De La Noval (my mom's family on my grandfather's side)  he or she are my most likely my distant cousins.  I even have a black and white picture of my great great grandfather in a royal Spanish army uniform with a cane, standing next to an old style chair. Have you heard of the old famous Cuban baseball player known as Pipo De La Noval?  He was my grandfather's cousin. 

[Tropicalgrower89]

PS i love this species name "torta" because it means cake in spanish! You can have your cake and eat it too! 

Torta doesn't mean cake in all Latin American countries.  For example, Cubans don't use the word Torta for cake. Back in the old days in Cuba, cakes were known as Pastel. Don't confuse that with pastelito cause it's something different.

We use "torta" as a short slang/abbreviation for the word Tortillera, which means Lesbian.   

It's interesting, cause even though all latin American countries speak the same language, they all have different ways of speaking.  A Spanish word could have different meanings, depending on what country from Latin America you're from.

Spanish is my first language. Torta means cake in Spain and in all of spanish speaking South America. Pastel usually means pie, not cake. What you are saying about it meaning lesbian is purely slang, not official language. True every country has different slang.
Oscar

Thanks for the correction Oscar. 

[murahilin]

No rain since frebruary 2011... 

Wow! Is that common? How many inches a year do you get at your farm?

[buddyguygreen]

Does anyone have a picture of this tree grown, cant find a pic of the full tree.

[siafu]

 "Torta" could be intended to mean "bent", which does not sound so weird given the way the fruit looks...

In Portuguese, "torta/torto" comes from Latin "tortu" and is used when something is, indeed, "bent".
Still, "torta" is used also for "rolled cakes", specifically, which kind of makes sense...they sure
need to be rolled/bent into shape... 


 

[fruitlovers]

Does anyone have a picture of this tree grown, cant find a pic of the full tree.

Look here: https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=gallifructa

[buddyguygreen]

Does anyone have a picture of this tree grown, cant find a pic of the full tree.

Look here: https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=gallifructa

Thank you man, now i know exactly where to put it. how tall would you estimate they get

[fruitlovers]

Does anyone have a picture of this tree grown, cant find a pic of the full tree.

Look here: https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=gallifructa

Thank you man, now i know exactly where to put it. how tall would you estimate they get

Did you see the photo of the trunk? In natural setting they can get close to 100 feet (30 meters) tall. That doesn't mean it's going to get nearly that big in your backyard, in your soil, in your climate, in your lifetime. But still plan for a big tree.

[buddyguygreen]

yea a tall trunk which makes it a perfect canopy tree. Maybe with a bunch of TLC i can get it to 80 feet in 80 years 

[druss]

Anyone have access to seeds of this tree?

[fruitlovers]

Anyone have access to seeds of this tree?

Yes occasionally. Have it listed on my web seed offerings.

[druss]

Yup am watching for it there too ☺