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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: Delvi83 on October 13, 2015, 04:31:51 PM
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I've never seen a Tamarind here in Italy, can it be grown in Florida or California?
As I know it likes arid conditions, so California could be better than Florida....does someone grow it? how does it grow? does it flower and fruit? When?
The Tamarind should resist to cold at least until 32° F, but even less for short periods !!
Thanks
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Yes Tamarind grows and fruits very easily in South Florida, I'm not sure about further north in Florida or in California.
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I have one on each of my two homes, one is 8 ft tall and the other one is 3 ft tall, both are blooming right now. Both were seedlings labeled "sweet" but I haven't tasted any fruit yet. I know another person who has bigger tree that is fruiting well. Yes, tamarind does well here in SWFL.
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Great...have you photos? It starts flowering at the end of the Summer in South Florida, or probably at the end of "Wet Season" ?? It should be interesting to know whet it flowers in hot mediterranea climate !!!
Thanks again
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Ok, this is the smaller tree, probably less than 4 foot tall.
(http://s11.postimg.cc/pdvlgtoa7/IMG_5291.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/pdvlgtoa7/)
(http://s11.postimg.cc/y6ck4i9f3/IMG_5292.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/y6ck4i9f3/)
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Tamarind grows all over South Florida. It has even used by developers as plantings. Dont know why a comparison keeps being made from Italy and Florida... ??? ::) ??? ::)
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Tamarind grows all over South Florida. It has even used by developers as plantings. Dont know why a comparison keeps being made from Italy and Florida... ??? ::) ??? ::)
sometimes people look for a glimmer of false hope before they do something really stupid. God knows I'm guilty of it all the time. its like that little devil sitting on your shoulder telling you to do it, it worked in Florida. ;D ;D ;D
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Delvi, tamarind grows very well in Madeira, Portugal.
Flowering here starts early spring, and some times in Autumn.
Florida and California have completely different climates. Humid Subtropics vs Mediterranean type climate.
California and Madeira have a very similar climate.
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I had an in ground tamarindo in Orlando, Fl 9b. The seeds were from a tree in Big Pine Key. It flowered its third year in ground and took the cold like a champ. Thankfully, I was ignorant enough to try it.
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I've never seen a Tamarind here in Italy, can it be grown in Florida or California?
As I know it likes arid conditions, so California could be better than Florida....does someone grow it? how does it grow? does it flower and fruit? When?
The Tamarind should resist to cold at least until 32° F, but even less for short periods !!
Thanks
:)
In Southern Portugal, tamarind grows slowly. It blooms and sets fruits, but the fruits rot during the winter when the plant goes dormant.
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I had an in ground tamarindo in Orlando, Fl 9b. The seeds were from a tree in Big Pine Key. It flowered its third year in ground and took the cold like a champ. Thankfully, I was ignorant enough to try it.
Are you saying a seedling tree flowered after 3 years in the ground? I always thought tamarind took a decade to flower - how old was your tree including before it was planted out? I'm asking because I have 3 seedling trees and I'd love to see a flower on one of them before 10 years from now! :)
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Yes they grow and fruit here. Here is a young seedling that's starting to flowering
(http://s24.postimg.cc/ak9g5jmo1/IMG_4950.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ak9g5jmo1/)
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I have a sweet tamarind tree that I planted about 6 years ago. Since that time, it's produced an amount of fruit that I could count with one hand.
This year though, or more exactly, right now, the tree is full of fruit and flowers, all at the same time. Which, I find very exciting. And, I hope that this fruit production will be a regular, yearly occurrence.
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I had an in ground tamarindo in Orlando, Fl 9b. The seeds were from a tree in Big Pine Key. It flowered its third year in ground and took the cold like a champ. Thankfully, I was ignorant enough to try it.
Are you saying a seedling tree flowered after 3 years in the ground? I always thought tamarind took a decade to flower - how old was your tree including before it was planted out? I'm asking because I have 3 seedling trees and I'd love to see a flower on one of them before 10 years from now! :)
It must have been in a pot close to a year and was root bound when I put it in the ground. It flowered well and grew aggresively, the small fruits didn't hang on though.
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Great photos....Yes I know the difference between Florida and California....
The Flowering could be induced by Wet condition ?? In Florida (after summer), in an hot mediterranea Climate (after winter) ?!
How much time does it take to ripe the fruits? (from flowering) ??
P.s.
In Madeira does it need irrigation? how many mm of rain do you have in one year?
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Great photos....Yes I know the difference between Florida and California....
The Flowering could be induced by Wet condition ?? In Florida (after summer), in an hot mediterranea Climate (after winter) ?!
How much time does it take to ripe the fruits? (from flowering) ??
P.s.
In Madeira does it need irrigation? how many mm of rain do you have in one year?
If you know the differences why do you keep comparing? Leave FL & CA out of your equations your comparisons are not valid.
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Great photos....Yes I know the difference between Florida and California....
The Flowering could be induced by Wet condition ?? In Florida (after summer), in an hot mediterranea Climate (after winter) ?!
How much time does it take to ripe the fruits? (from flowering) ??
P.s.
In Madeira does it need irrigation? how many mm of rain do you have in one year?
If you know the differences why do you keep comparing? Leave FL & CA out of your equations your comparisons are not valid.
Like many on here, he doesnt read, listen, know or care. You can lead the water to the horse but you can make it get out of the way...
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Yes i missed the answer written before about the time it took for flowering.....(sorry for this, sorry to have repeat the question) !!
Obviously I don't know all....none knows everything, the topics are done also to share and understand from other people.....you know more than me about Tamarind or Jackfruit, may be I know something more than you about other things.
I'm here also to learn.....
I know that California has a mediterranea climate which means that summer is dry......differently Florida is wet during the Summer and the winter is warmer than CA.....
I was just comparing the flowering induction of a plant in two different climates....to understand which were the induction-elements....
I'm Italian, I'm not familiar with English as you are.....sometimes I can misunderstand something, but I'm here to learn, not to be criticized !!!
After this.....let's talk about Tamarind :)
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I had an in ground tamarindo in Orlando, Fl 9b. The seeds were from a tree in Big Pine Key. It flowered its third year in ground and took the cold like a champ. Thankfully, I was ignorant enough to try it.
where was the tree on Big Pine?
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I had an in ground tamarindo in Orlando, Fl 9b. The seeds were from a tree in Big Pine Key. It flowered its third year in ground and took the cold like a champ. Thankfully, I was ignorant enough to try it.
where was the tree on Big Pine?
The tree is located south of Big Pine Key Fish Camp along the shore where it bumps out and the turns south west ~30 to 40 feet from the shore and at the edge of one of the salt water ponds amongst various other feral fruit trees. It is a large tree that was blown over years ago but it is still producing well. It is easy to collect fruit from since it is laying sideways.
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Yes i missed the answer written before about the time it took for flowering.....(sorry for this, sorry to have repeat the question) !!
Obviously I don't know all....none knows everything, the topics are done also to share and understand from other people.....you know more than me about Tamarind or Jackfruit, may be I know something more than you about other things.
I'm here also to learn.....
I know that California has a mediterranea climate which means that summer is dry......differently Florida is wet during the Summer and the winter is warmer than CA.....
I was just comparing the flowering induction of a plant in two different climates....to understand which were the induction-elements....
I'm Italian, I'm not familiar with English as you are.....sometimes I can misunderstand something, but I'm here to learn, not to be criticized !!!
After this.....let's talk about Tamarind :)
No worries Paisan😀
Let me give you an example how similar and dissimilar Socal and South Florida are.
90F 54% now in La Habra 1/4 precipitation this month
88F 62%!now in Miami 7.5 precipitation so far this month
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Sorry....i did a mistake, when i talk about Florida i refer to Miami area....or South Florida. It would be interesting to understand how far north Tamarind can be planted.....as i read in South Portugal it lives, but fruits rot before ripening during winter....and the Algarve region is probably the warmest of all Europe...I thought that fruits coming from the spring flowers did have enough time to ripe....(since main flowering it should be spring in that place)....
Tell about your experiments....does it grow well in pot?
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Sorry....i did a mistake, when i talk about Florida i refer to Miami area....or South Florida. It would be interesting to understand how far north Tamarind can be planted.....as i read in South Portugal it lives, but fruits rot before ripening during winter....and the Algarve region is probably the warmest of all Europe...I thought that fruits coming from the spring flowers did have enough time to ripe....(since main flowering it should be spring in that place)....
Tell about your experiments....does it grow well in pot?
I don't like tamarind I don't grow it. and who told you South Portugal is the warmest place in Europe?? Have you heard of Malaga ? or Sevilla, Cordoba or Cadiz??
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Algarve is one of the warmest place in Europe, Malagà is not too far and has a similar climate, Cordoba and Sevilla are colder, Cadiz slightly warmer....
Average of Malaga: DEC :13.2°C JAN 12.1°C FEB 12.9°C
Average of Faro (South Portugal) : DEC 13.3°C JAN 12.0°C FEB 12.8°C
Wikipedia
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Tamarind definitely does not take 10 years to produce from seed, at least in my experience. My mother planted some seeds about 4-6 years ago, kept one and gave one to my grandmother. Ours fruited last year and has lots of flowers now, and my grandmother's fruited even earlier.
I too am curious as to what the normal duration is from fruitset to maturity, and perhaps cultivation or NPK formula advice.
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Algarve is one of the warmest place in Europe, Malagà is not too far and has a similar climate, Cordoba and Sevilla are colder, Cadiz slightly warmer....
Average of Malaga: DEC :13.2°C JAN 12.1°C FEB 12.9°C
Average of Faro (South Portugal) : DEC 13.3°C JAN 12.0°C FEB 12.8°C
Wikipedia
not very warm. I though Malaga was like La Habra our average for those three month would be 16°C Miami 20°C
E. E. La Mayora. Parcela experimental de mangos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7JG0oSO_TI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7JG0oSO_TI)
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Yes, in Europe (Canary Islands apart, but there is Africa more than Europe) we don't have a place with winter temperature as high as Miami or South Florida.
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Yes, in Europe (Canary Islands apart, but there is Africa more than Europe) we don't have a place with winter temperature as high as Miami or South Florida.
Canary Island is like Miami and SoCal. Miami is very close to tropical but there's no place with winter temps in Europe as high as SoCal.
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Canary Islands (28°N) has an ocean climate, Tenerife is also called "Isle of eternal spring"....never too hot, never too cold.
But several islands have less than 200mm water/year...1/10 of Miami.
The rest of Europe is not so warm, but south Europe is norther than North of Florida....Here in Italy, near to the France we have Liguria, probably the warmest place in the world for its latitude (44°N)....there, i know people who tried Mango, I saw Guava and White Zapote fruits, Lytchee and Avocados are pretty common.
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My own observation is that those tropical plants that require a lot of heat, tend
to bloom rather late into Summer, and so the fruits will have to mature over winter
and either fail or produce very poor quality fruits. Good examples: tamarind,
biribá (A. mucosa) and A. reticula.
Some species develop their fruits much faster and have enough time to mature them
before winter sets in: Lychee, longan, marula, mango, A. squamosa (part of the crop).
For these, the main requirement is not being exposed to freezing temperatures. Given that,
they can handle somewhat cool conditions over the whole winter.
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I was talking abouth that in another place....it's a very interesting thing, I would like to open another thread to speak about that. :)
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tamarind is purely tropical,it prefers a bit dry climate, dosent like much watering...seedling may take a bit more time to flower, even grafted plant need 5 years to flower...
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I have neglected my 5 gallon Tamarind and it is maybe 3 feet tall and wide. The tree flowered for the first time this year with (as expected) no fruit set. I have noticed it needing MORE water than less water during the warmer months. Otherwise, zero special care at my place...I had meant to plant it out but got some OCD on rarer trees to collect and was put "on the back burner". Chris
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tamarind is purely tropical,it prefers a bit dry climate, dosent like much watering...seedling may take a bit more time to flower, even grafted plant need 5 years to flower...
What do you mean with pure tropical?? Durian or Rambutam are purely tropical and can die if temp is below 10°C...Tamarind can resist until 0°C
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Tamarind definitely does not take 10 years to produce from seed, at least in my experience. My mother planted some seeds about 4-6 years ago, kept one and gave one to my grandmother. Ours fruited last year and has lots of flowers now, and my grandmother's fruited even earlier.
I too am curious as to what the normal duration is from fruitset to maturity, and perhaps cultivation or NPK formula advice.
It was a bit surreal reading through this thread this evening during a search for tamarind growing posts, coming across the above comment, and nonchalantly glancing at the username only to realize it was posted by myself. :P
After a decade or more, we are back to our previous house whereat my mother had also planted a different seed-grown tamarind than was referenced in my above comment. To my recollection, this tree is also part of the triad of trees grown at our last home and my grandmother's house. In either case, I am reviving my previous comment to see if anyone has an update on my original query about fertilizer recommendations?
Unfortunately, after being torn down by a severe hurricane and losing most of its main trunk, as well as being neglected in the years we were living elsewhere, the tree here has not been flowering nor fruiting discernably for the past year or two at least. I have recently repainted my thumb green and undertaken an effort to revitalize our fruit trees, and today purchased and broadcasted some Sunniland 6-1-8 fertilizer around the root zone, however I would be happy to hear about other fertilizer suggestions.
Pic is from April 2021, about 1.5 years after Hurricane Dorian which uprooted nearly the entire tree:
(https://i.postimg.cc/fVJX4CpR/photo-2023-04-05-23-47-17.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fVJX4CpR)
You can see the remnants of the original trunk laying horizontally near the ground, and the offshoots which have since taken over to form an upright 'U' of main branches on either side of the original trunk's base. The upright main branches are now about 10+ feet tall and have lots of healthy-looking foliage, but no flowers nor fruit. I am also toying with the idea of hard pruning the tree to bring it down to a more manageable height, and purchased a hand saw along with the Sunniland fertilizer, but would not be sure how best to approach the task given my limited experience.
In total, the tree should be 15 or more years old by now, and I suspect the lack of flowers and fruit may be a fertilizer issue as the other same-aged seed-grown tree I originally referenced at our previous home still has unpicked ripened pods hanging from its branches. We have extremely sandy soil if that helps with fertilizer recommendations, and I am in the initial works to have bulk wood chips trucked in to begin the process of amending the yard with additional organic matter.
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Under ideal conditions a legume should be able to acquire nitrogen through symbiosis. The nutrient which would provide greatest benefit is likely potassium. It might help to add molasses to jump start the bacteria in the nodules.
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Saw a few young tamarind trees in Malaga last March (on the university campus, so could be experimental). Only one bad fruit hanging from a twig
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I know of one giant tree in the Cerritos, CA area the size of a mature avocado. I would not have believed it was a tamarind tree if it had not fruited because lots of trees seems to have similiar leaves. Now compare to my 10 year old 3.5 feet tall tamarind ...bush. ahah.