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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: skhan on December 13, 2019, 11:37:48 AM
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I just spotted flowers starting to emerge from my NDM.
I was expecting to see them in December, but i'll take it
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Checked some of the other trees.
Cac is flowering,
Cogshall is starting to push
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I think I'm seeing the beginning of flower spikes on Sienta Lone, Arka Puneet and Neelkiran. YAY!!!
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I think I'm seeing the beginning of flower spikes on Sienta Lone, Arka Puneet and Neelkiran. YAY!!!
O nice. I haven't had any of those before.
My sein the lone died last year.
I might have to re graft it.
Let us know if there fruit come out good.
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Seriously jealous, swollen buds but no flowers yet. Perhaps in a few days if it was cold enough the last couple of weeks. May be a vegetative flus which would be a bummer.
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Golden Nugget and Venus pushing flowers
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Both Julies and Ice Cream are pushing flowers in 10b.
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I think I'm seeing the beginning of flower spikes on Sienta Lone, Arka Puneet and Neelkiran. YAY!!!
Adding Corn, Katar Rum Rung and possibly USDA Himsagar.
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I am checking now and we’ve got budding on quite a few varieties some of which are Sugar Loaf, Butter Cream, Val Carrie, Fruit Punch, Van Dyke, Carrie, Fair Child, White Pirie. All Summer. Sweet Tart, lemon Zest, Edgar, Orange Essence, Bagnapali and most others are pushing. We just had 6” rain two days ago. We have never watered 98 percent of our mangos so it’s looking lush. I can’t wait to be eating our certified organic top tier Florida Mangos.
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A lot of southeast asian mangoes starting flower.I don't like to early bloom.
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Most of mine are pushing buds, Alphonso actually has a "fruitlet", lima bean size.
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“Perez” has been loaded with flowers for weeks now..
starting to push flower panicles- Carrie, Duncan, Kathy, Lemon Meringue, Venus, Keitt, & Glenn.
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These are flowering or about to flower right now. Probably missed a few :
Ah Ping
Angie
Arka Neelkiran
Baptiste
Bizcochuelo
Bombay
Brahm Kai Meu
Carabao
Carla
CAsturi 6-25
Cecilove
Coconut cream
Cogshall
Corne
Cotton Candy
Crimson Delight
Dot
Dupuis Saigon
Duncan
Dwarf Hawaiian
East Indian
Edgar
Edward
Excalibur
Extrema
Florigon
Fruit Cocktail
Fukuda
Gary
Gaylour
Glenn
Golden Queen
Graham
Haden
Harvest Moon
Hindi Bessenara
Iman Passand
Irwin
Itamaraca
Ivory
Jakarta
Jaqueline
Janardhan Passand
Jean Ellen
Juicy Peach
Julie
Juliette
Kensington Pride
Langra Benarasi
Lemon Meringue
Mabruka
Madame Blanc
Madame Francis
Maha Chanok
Maya
Merritt Island Saigon
Nam Doc Mai #4
Nam Doc Mai Mun
Nam tam teem
Nelson
Okrung
Orange Essence
Pettigrew
Pickering
Pim Sen Mun
Pineapple Pleasure
Piva
Rosa
Rosigold
Rumani
Seacrest
Smith
Sonpari
San Felipe
SugarLoaf
Sunrise
Súper Julie
Tess Pollock
Turpentine
Ugly Betty
Val-Carrie
Vallenato
Van Dyke
Vellqi colomban
Venus
Wester
White pIri
Young
Zill 33-8
Zill 40-17
Zill 40-26
Zill O-15
Still plenty of stuff left that’s dormant and will require a later cold event to flower
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My mallika Tree came out :) :) ;) ;)
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Exciting, hope we get good set and they hold.
Several flowering here: Glenn, ndm4, coconut cream, kasturi, kesar (looks to be), and a sweet tart graft.
Looking way better than last year, so far...
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These are flowering or about to flower right now. Probably missed a few :
Ah Ping
Angie
Arka Neelkiran
Baptiste
Bizcochuelo
Bombay
Brahm Kai Meu
Carabao
Carla
CAsturi 6-25
Cecilove
Coconut cream
Cogshall
Corne
Cotton Candy
Crimson Delight
Dot
Dupuis Saigon
Duncan
Dwarf Hawaiian
East Indian
Edgar
Edward
Excalibur
Extrema
Florigon
Fruit Cocktail
Fukuda
Gary
Gaylour
Glenn
Golden Queen
Graham
Haden
Harvest Moon
Hindi Bessenara
Iman Passand
Irwin
Itamaraca
Ivory
Jakarta
Jaqueline
Janardhan Passand
Jean Ellen
Juicy Peach
Julie
Juliette
Kensington Pride
Langra Benarasi
Lemon Meringue
Mabruka
Madame Blanc
Madame Francis
Maha Chanok
Maya
Merritt Island Saigon
Nam Doc Mai #4
Nam Doc Mai Mun
Nam tam teem
Nelson
Okrung
Orange Essence
Pettigrew
Pickering
Pim Sen Mun
Pineapple Pleasure
Piva
Rosa
Rosigold
Rumani
Seacrest
Smith
Sonpari
San Felipe
SugarLoaf
Sunrise
Súper Julie
Tess Pollock
Turpentine
Ugly Betty
Val-Carrie
Vallenato
Van Dyke
Vellqi colomban
Venus
Wester
White pIri
Young
Zill 33-8
Zill 40-17
Zill 40-26
Zill O-15
Still plenty of stuff left that’s dormant and will require a later cold event to flower
Looks like our 10th year mango hunting in south Florida will be commensurate.
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Happy to report that Florigon, Juicy Peach, Mallika, Honey Kiss, Lemon Meringue, NDM #4, Carrie, Bailey's Marvel, Himasagar, Val Carrie, Seacrest, Sunrise, and Cotton Candy are flowering. :) Mixed blooms on all the varieties.
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I saw some on my manalita, Pickering, and maha.
Of the trees that should produce this year my Neelam, Angie, Glenn, and Dupuis/peachcobbler/lemonzest are still dormant.
They all have pretty recent flushes though
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Maha is starting.
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Lemon Meringue and Mallika are sending up mixed bloom.
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Both of my Carrie trees and Pickering are beginning to bloom. Nothing from the NDM #4, Coconut Cream, Lemon Zest, and Valencia Pride yet.
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My Carrie has blooms all over it, and the Madame Francis, Pickering, and Julie seedling (Juicy Lucy) have just started. I checked my records and none of these had bloomed until February or March. I suspect they will all drop off.
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Even the new 7g Orange Sherbet tree I just bought today from Al's in Miami is starting to flower. lol
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My Carrie has blooms all over it, and the Madame Francis, Pickering, and Julie seedling (Juicy Lucy) have just started. I checked my records and none of these had bloomed until February or March. I suspect they will all drop off.
I agree. If a cold front comes it could wipe out this crop. The last cold spell took out some bananas and it didn’t even hit below 40.
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My Carrie has blooms all over it, and the Madame Francis, Pickering, and Julie seedling (Juicy Lucy) have just started. I checked my records and none of these had bloomed until February or March. I suspect they will all drop off.
I agree that I am not use to my trees blooming before Christmas. It was cooler other years than this one so far and I do not know why more are blooming sooner except for maybe a wetter fall to winter this year but it was not cooler this year than others. (I do not have irrigation and take what rain normally comes in the fall/winter)
I guess I will have some late March to April fruit if a few of these set and keep the fruit which is becoming more likely with more trees blooming. Last year I believe the first mangos I had was in May.
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For those up north, can understand the anxiety.
Don't think it will be a problem here in the South FL area.
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Maha and Honey Kiss pushing out their first blooms. We're generally couple of weeks behind the South Florida folks.
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NDM in miami
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Tiberivs-
That is a gorgeous Tree you got. Looks like you did good job with the pruning. How old?
My mahachanok in the greenhouse went all in as well. Every branch has a panicle or two. Probably about 20-30 panicle with flowers. Don't know if the flowers will make it thru the winter.
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Yeah, color me surprised to see my Cogshall and Pickering sending up pannicles quite aggressively. I first noticed around two weeks ago. Very unusual for me. I don't normally see this in my yard until late January. And last year, the Cogshall didn't bloom at all and the Pickering gave up about all of 10 fruits. I'm in central Broward. Warm days and a few cool nights, and wetter than usual for this time of year. Should I be concerned about powdery mildew?
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Tiberivs-
That is a gorgeous Tree you got. Looks like you did good job with the pruning. How old?
My mahachanok in the greenhouse went all in as well. Every branch has a panicle or two. Probably about 20-30 panicle with flowers. Don't know if the flowers will make it thru the winter.
Thank you yes I’ve pruned it couple times once really aggressively left it almost only trunk and think I used to tip it in the beginning. Tree went in ground around January 2014 here is a pic . But since I got it it had and tended to grow like a bushy tree with lots of branching. I haven’t done anything to it in last 2 years
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I saw that my Angie tree whose leaves are not completely hardened off is starting to flower for those same branches.
Of the trees I'm growing; angie and cac both do this
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Adding Aung Din and Kesar. Hopefully, Kesar will hold some fruit this year.
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Adding Aung Din and Kesar. Hopefully, Kesar will hold some fruit this year.
Kesar is good at holding fruit. at least in my yard. Very clean fruit as well.
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Mango bloom report at my 1 1/4 acre dooryard fruit grove in Palm Beach County established 5 years ago:
Heavy bloom on Edward, Dot, Pickering, Maha Chanok, Dupuis Saigon & Lemon Zest.
Moderate bloom on Hatcher, Juliette, Honey Kiss, Angie & Nam Doc Mai;
Good bloom for the first time om Lemon Meringue, Fruit Punch & Cotton Candy.
No bloom yet on mature trees Mallika, Sweet Tart, Valencia Pride & Coconut Cream.
And young trees yet to bloom: Sugar Loaf, Orange Sherbet, Buttercream, CAC, Harvest Moon, Cushman, M4, Venus, Bailey's Marvel, Southern Blush. Juicy Peach.
Trees affected by Bacterial Black Spot in 2019 that have one last chance in 2020 before removal: Sweet Tart, Mallika, Lemon Zest & Hatcher.
Trees removed this year due to BBS fruit damage in 2018 & 2019 were Providence & Okrung.
My two most successful varieties in 2019 were Pickering & Maha Chanok (despite Maha being on the BBS susceptibility list).
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Mango bloom report at my 1 1/4 acre dooryard fruit grove in Palm Beach County established 5 years ago:
Heavy bloom on Edward, Dot, Pickering, Maha Chanok, Dupuis Saigon & Lemon Zest.
Moderate bloom on Hatcher, Juliette, Honey Kiss, Angie & Nam Doc Mai;
Good bloom for the first time om Lemon Meringue, Fruit Punch & Cotton Candy.
No bloom yet on mature trees Mallika, Sweet Tart, Valencia Pride & Coconut Cream.
And young trees yet to bloom: Sugar Loaf, Orange Sherbet, Buttercream, CAC, Harvest Moon, Cushman, M4, Venus, Bailey's Marvel, Southern Blush. Juicy Peach.
Trees affected by Bacterial Black Spot in 2019 that have one last chance in 2020 before removal: Sweet Tart, Mallika, Lemon Zest & Hatcher.
Trees removed this year due to BBS fruit damage in 2018 & 2019 were Providence & Okrung.
My two most successful varieties in 2019 were Pickering & Maha Chanok (despite Maha being on the BBS susceptibility list).
Nice report Larry, thanks for posting.
Definitely a partial bloom occurring right now on mangos in south Florida, with mostly bloom-sensitive varieties achieving full blooms and others hit or miss.
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Adding Shamsul Asamar. Nice surprise :-)
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Rosigold flowered one week before Christmas and as of today Pickering flowering
Neelam flowering? Jan 15 10 gal planted in Oct
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Mango bloom report at my 1 1/4 acre dooryard fruit grove in Palm Beach County established 5 years ago:
Heavy bloom on Edward, Dot, Pickering, Maha Chanok, Dupuis Saigon & Lemon Zest.
Moderate bloom on Hatcher, Juliette, Honey Kiss, Angie & Nam Doc Mai;
Good bloom for the first time om Lemon Meringue, Fruit Punch & Cotton Candy.
No bloom yet on mature trees Mallika, Sweet Tart, Valencia Pride & Coconut Cream.
And young trees yet to bloom: Sugar Loaf, Orange Sherbet, Buttercream, CAC, Harvest Moon, Cushman, M4, Venus, Bailey's Marvel, Southern Blush. Juicy Peach.
Trees affected by Bacterial Black Spot in 2019 that have one last chance in 2020 before removal: Sweet Tart, Mallika, Lemon Zest & Hatcher.
Trees removed this year due to BBS fruit damage in 2018 & 2019 were Providence & Okrung.
My two most successful varieties in 2019 were Pickering & Maha Chanok (despite Maha being on the BBS susceptibility list).
Impressive list. You grow this for self consumption or sell fruit?
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This winter has been very wet so lets hope this lets up for the mango bloom process. Regarding fungus etc. In the last 15 days I think we have had rain in 11 of them. I mow my own lawn and I really need dry grass to make it easier. Hopefully no rain or drizzle tomorrow.
My Carrie has the most blooms, then an NDM tree. I see some random blooms on other mango trees. None on Pickering so far.
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This winter has been very wet so lets hope this lets up for the mango bloom process. Regarding fungus etc. In the last 15 days I think we have had rain in 11 of them. I mow my own lawn and I really need dry grass to make it easier. Hopefully no rain or drizzle tomorrow.
My Carrie has the most blooms, then an NDM tree. I see some random blooms on other mango trees. None on Pickering so far.
So given these were conditions what should I be doing? I've sprayed sulfur a couple times so far...
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This winter has been very wet so lets hope this lets up for the mango bloom process. Regarding fungus etc. In the last 15 days I think we have had rain in 11 of them. I mow my own lawn and I really need dry grass to make it easier. Hopefully no rain or drizzle tomorrow.
My Carrie has the most blooms, then an NDM tree. I see some random blooms on other mango trees. None on Pickering so far.
So given these were conditions what should I be doing? I've sprayed sulfur a couple times so far...
I hope you get some good answers. I have no sulfur and have never used it. I just try to luck it out. Others here are more methodical.
Planting trees with Southern exposure can help evaporate off early morning dew and moisture quicker. If you plant a Julie (a fungus prone tree in South Florida) try to have plant it w where it is southern exposed to sun.
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Mango bloom report at my 1 1/4 acre dooryard fruit grove in Palm Beach County established 5 years ago:
Heavy bloom on Edward, Dot, Pickering, Maha Chanok, Dupuis Saigon & Lemon Zest.
Moderate bloom on Hatcher, Juliette, Honey Kiss, Angie & Nam Doc Mai;
Good bloom for the first time om Lemon Meringue, Fruit Punch & Cotton Candy.
No bloom yet on mature trees Mallika, Sweet Tart, Valencia Pride & Coconut Cream.
And young trees yet to bloom: Sugar Loaf, Orange Sherbet, Buttercream, CAC, Harvest Moon, Cushman, M4, Venus, Bailey's Marvel, Southern Blush. Juicy Peach.
Trees affected by Bacterial Black Spot in 2019 that have one last chance in 2020 before removal: Sweet Tart, Mallika, Lemon Zest & Hatcher.
Trees removed this year due to BBS fruit damage in 2018 & 2019 were Providence & Okrung.
My two most successful varieties in 2019 were Pickering & Maha Chanok (despite Maha being on the BBS susceptibility list).
Impressive list. You grow this for self consumption or sell fruit?
I haven't had to deal with too much excess fruit since my plantings only go back 5 years and were affected by storms in 2016 and 2017. My total harvest in 2019 was probably less than 200 usable fruit because of BBS damage. I freeze a lot of the pulp for use in ice cream and I dehydrate my favorite varieties and vacumm seal them for snacks throughout the year. This year may be better as the early bloom looks good. I'm attaching a photo taken today of my Edward tree with bloom spikes on nearly every branch.
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Now all you need are a few flies to do the honors.
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How cold does it need to be this weekend to be bad for current blooms?
Almost all my mango trees have some bloom, some heavy. We will be in the low 50s this weekend. Is this a problem or is it just stimulus for more blooms on the rest of the trees?
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Blooms (not full yet) are everywhere. My tree is Feb flower starter, i'm in pre stage....tic tock tick tock lol.
Deep orange some fiber but omg sticky sweet minutes after washing hands & lips :)
My routine is hurry outside when mangos fall late spring mornings, put in sun a few days, fridge till next day, oh my goodness..
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How cold does it need to be this weekend to be bad for current blooms?
Almost all my mango trees have some bloom, some heavy. We will be in the low 50s this weekend. Is this a problem or is it just stimulus for more blooms on the rest of the trees?
No, low 50s is excellent
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With that brief rain coming, this morn i thru a couple handfuls of fert with a few tablespoons of 0-0-50 mixed in around mango tree. 1 10 second downpour so far, wind beating the heck out banana leaves, which i put a few lbs of fert on too.
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So how'd ya'll do today? Treasure coast quick downpour, pause, sideways rain strong wind gusts,
My flowers aren't open but many are i see driving.
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Dry and windy, but none of the mangos in my neighborhood are blooming
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I hope this cold front causes my Sweet Tart to bloom. This will be the 3rd year in ground, bought as a 7 gallon. My Pickering (7 gallon) and Venus (3 gallon) all went in ground the same time and both of those have been super productive. If Sweet Tart doesn't come through this year, it's getting top worked for sure.
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Driving around today in psl i see mango blooms where i didn't know there were trees.
Mine's always Feb bloomer, no idea what it is. Deep orange slight fiber but highly sweet & worth every fiber! :)
You guys battling anthracnose? I got my share almost under control, will give chamomile tea a shot. Anyone have success with it on panicles or flowers?
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3 to 4 days with nighttime temperatures in the 50s. Great for my mature plants, shitty for my late grafts, not too cold for my early blooms.
Overall, luck out so far.
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Here's where i'm at. Inside of tree, nothing really on outside yet. Anthracnose is important to look for during all seasons all year i'm learning.
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Green Orchid Bees have been swarming our Mango blooms this year. Nice change from the love bugs and honey bees and house flies. I can’t recall seeing them pollinating here last year.
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Thankfully no sign of fungal issues even on Lemon Zest. I believe all the extra rain helped our system.
http://entnemdept.ufl.edu/creatures/MISC/BEES/green_orchid_bee.htm (http://entnemdept.ufl.edu/creatures/MISC/BEES/green_orchid_bee.htm)
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Looks like no cold fronts reaching South FL until late January
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My two trees, a Cogshall and a Pickering, both started sending up pannicles a month or so earlier than usual. The Cogshall shows half a tree in bloom and the other half mostly dormant. The Pickering has about 25 to 30 percent blooms scattered throughout the tree. Both trees appear to be done pushing pannicles. What might be the cause of such sporadic production?
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The rain and that cold spell we had a while ago made a quarter of my Glenn mango tree bloom. I hope it doesn’t get too cold anymore because I miss eating mangos.
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My two trees, a Cogshall and a Pickering, both started sending up pannicles a month or so earlier than usual. The Cogshall shows half a tree in bloom and the other half mostly dormant. The Pickering has about 25 to 30 percent blooms scattered throughout the tree. Both trees appear to be done pushing pannicles. What might be the cause of such sporadic production?
A week or so of Cold weather at the beginning of December. Full blooms on all trees (in Florida) require about 2 consecutive weeks of nighttime temps below 60F. With less of that, there is progressively less complete bloom.
E.g. ,arbitrary numbers:
10 days of 50s might result in 90% bloom
7 days 60%
5 days less
And so forth.
Some trees had full blooms off the early December chill (mostly older large trees and “bloom sensitive” cultivars, with exceptions of course).
Since then we’ve largely been above historical average on nighttime lows in our typical pattern over the last 10 years or so. So the mangos are staying dormant until another major cold front rolls through that lasts the better part of a week instead of just a couple nights.
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A week or so of Cold weather at the beginning of December. Full blooms on all trees (in Florida) require about 2 consecutive weeks of nighttime temps below 60F. With less of that, there is progressively less complete bloom.
E.g. ,arbitrary numbers:
10 days of 50s might result in 90% bloom
7 days 60%
5 days less
And so forth.
Some trees had full blooms off the early December chill (mostly older large trees and “bloom sensitive” cultivars, with exceptions of course).
Since then we’ve largely been above historical average on nighttime lows in our typical pattern over the last 10 years or so. So the mangos are staying dormant until another major cold front rolls through that lasts the better part of a week instead of just a couple nights.
Appreciate the info. Thank you.
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Seeing as we haven't even hit the cold month yet, I am not getting my hopes up for my mangos, all of which are showing some sort of growth, mostly if not all leaf flush. My sweet tart and Lemon zest both already popped a full flush of leaves and my others aren't far behind. I don't expect flowers until spring like normal.
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orange essence, honey kiss, and sugar loaf are all putting out a lot of branches
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Orange Sherbet, Honey kiss, Neelam flushing new leaves this week.
Mallika, Carrie, NDM, Guava, Julie, Juliette flowered 2 wks ago.
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Fruit set on glenn, coco cream, ndm4, kesar, orange sherbet, sweet tart, and kasturi.
second round of blooms shooting out on kesar.
its still early
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The vegetative growth is definitely starting to show up in south Florida on both mango and lychee. Really bad news because a lot of this stuff will not be able to flower even if/when another significant cold front finally shows up.
I’m going to be speaking on mangos to the Palm Beach RFC in the spring and May make the warm winters a central part of the topic. When you actually see the raw numbers compared to history it really put things into perspective.
Here in West Palm it looks like we’ll be getting 3 nights in the 50s Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday before the mid-60s nonsense returns. While that’s not adequate for Major bloom stimulus, it will at least aid in keeping some trees dormant into February and give them a chance for a March bloom.
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Fruit set on glenn, coco cream, ndm4, kesar, orange sherbet, sweet tart, and kasturi.
second round of blooms shooting out on kesar.
its still early
Very nice. I have 8 mango trees but most are small. My older ones Lemon Zest and Nam doc mai. Nam doc mai is flowering but lemon zest hasn’t only like one small bloom spike in entire tree bummer. The others sweet tart, orange sherbet, Providence, coconut cream, peach cobbler. No signs.
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In PSL i see mango trees everywhere i never knew about. Blooms i never seen, some trees never pruned nearly the width of a house.
My tree has less then a dozen panicles, didn't prune & thin it till November. Too hot. So a late bloom is a good thing? Mine usually waits till next month.
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Hey Alex,
Which cultivars are "bloom sensitive"? It'd be nice to know this information considering the global warming trends.
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Hey Alex,
Which cultivars are "bloom sensitive"? It'd be nice to know this information considering the global warming trends.
I probably need to make a list. Just off the top of my head Edward and Rosa are a couple examples on the extreme end of trees that will throw bloom off marginal stimulus. Then there are varieties like Florigon or Graham that can flower fairly completely off of a week of cool nights, as opposed to the nearly two weeks required by some to achieve that.
Also keep in mind that some of it could be issues with precocity (or lack there of). I was doing some consulting work for another grower a couple weeks ago, and his large Sweet Tart trees were mostly flowering pretty well. But his trees are both larger and located in a cooler location west-ward. A few degrees can make an enormous difference.
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Palm Bay (East Central), My Kent is in full bloom with very small fruit appearing.
My Carrie, Julie, Hayden and Glenn (younger trees) are blooming but not full bloom yet.
As I drive around town I see the very large trees FULL of blooms! I hope its better than last year,
everybody I talk to in the area had a terrible yield last year in this area. My trees bloomed great but
nothing held, not sure why.
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Driving around I see typical backyard mango trees that are in good to excellent bloom. Some are quite old and established.
I think many to most are seedling trees. Do seedling trees have a better survival instinct, so they bloom more easily? We breed mangoes for certain qualities that might reduce their desire to "put forth fruit and multiply"?
Of course many bloomless trees seen too.
Looking to get cold starting Monday. The colder the better.
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So far this appears to be a very good year for fruit set here on our very young grove. Even with ideal conditions for fungal issues we have zero sign of Anthracnose or Powdery mildew anywhere. Our Lemon Zest and all our Julie progeny trees all have great healthy looking fruit set this year. Of course this could all change in a day. At least it will look pretty. Lol
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So, based on the timing and quality of the flowering what are your best estimates on just when the peak of the mango season will fall??
Thanks
Peter
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Hey Alex,
Which cultivars are "bloom sensitive"? It'd be nice to know this information considering the global warming trends.
I probably need to make a list. Just off the top of my head Edward and Rosa are a couple examples on the extreme end of trees that will throw bloom off marginal stimulus. Then there are varieties like Florigon or Graham that can flower fairly completely off of a week of cool nights, as opposed to the nearly two weeks required by some to achieve that.
Also keep in mind that some of it could be issues with precocity (or lack there of). I was doing some consulting work for another grower a couple weeks ago, and his large Sweet Tart trees were mostly flowering pretty well. But his trees are both larger and located in a cooler location west-ward. A few degrees can make an enormous difference.
Thanks Alex! Would you know if any of the following bloom easily:
Fruit punch, jakarta, ice cream, dwarf hawaiian, angie, cotton candy, phoenix, pineapple pleasure, sugar loaf, kesar
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Hey Alex,
Which cultivars are "bloom sensitive"? It'd be nice to know this information considering the global warming trends.
I probably need to make a list. Just off the top of my head Edward and Rosa are a couple examples on the extreme end of trees that will throw bloom off marginal stimulus. Then there are varieties like Florigon or Graham that can flower fairly completely off of a week of cool nights, as opposed to the nearly two weeks required by some to achieve that.
Also keep in mind that some of it could be issues with precocity (or lack there of). I was doing some consulting work for another grower a couple weeks ago, and his large Sweet Tart trees were mostly flowering pretty well. But his trees are both larger and located in a cooler location west-ward. A few degrees can make an enormous difference.
Thanks Alex! Would you know if any of the following bloom easily:
Fruit punch, jakarta, ice cream, dwarf hawaiian, angie, cotton candy, phoenix, pineapple pleasure, sugar loaf, kesar
Dwarf Hawaiian easily. Can flower off a couple nights of chill and will do it more than once too. Sugar Loaf flowers somewhat easily but similar to Gary and Carrie the flowers can open excessively male and then not set much (or any), at least the younger ones. We’ve had a couple do that.
Julie is another variety that flowers *very* easily.
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Very useful info. Thank you.
I'm hoping the next 10 days or so will kick my Sweet Tart in gear. Looks like I should get 50s over the next consecutive 10 nights. Fingers crossed.
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Very useful info. Thank you.
I'm hoping the next 10 days or so will kick my Sweet Tart in gear. Looks like I should get 50s over the next consecutive 10 nights. Fingers crossed.
Yes 10 below 60F ought to do it.
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Brrrrrrrr
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36.7f (2.6c) and dropping here. We got down to 36.0f (2.222c) and at 6:30 started going back up to 36.1 Oh well that’s alright bigger and better trees for next year. On to the lychee, annonas, with plenty of other fruits to focus on. I’m very curious to see what’s happened with all our little mango fruitlets and flower buds. Hopefully we have a healthy population of the plant growth promoting hormone generated by the bacterium Pseudomonas putida which can generate antifreeze substances inside the plant. Just another reason why our sole focus is on soil health. Brrrrr I hate the cold.
5:30pm after we received about 3” rain @ 55f /12.777c everything looks the same as before. The uncut biodiverse look has grown on me and I couldn’t imagine it any other way...plant, plant, plant cover. Thankfully it is still glowing prettily and prettily glowing.🐸
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37.6f in Osceola County turned dryer on at 4:30 am thermostat switch kicked on at 4:38 am :) :) :)
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36.1 Oh well that’s alright bigger and better trees for next year.
Meaning that no fruiting this year?
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Question about distribution of flower spikes :
Healthy mature tree in Orlando area fruited for first time last summer.
Two branches have been in bloom for three weeks,
which gave me to think that other braches would show at least something by now.
What is usual, with regard to the appearance /non-appearance of spikes all over a tree?
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36.1 Oh well that’s alright bigger and better trees for next year.
Meaning that no fruiting this year?
Plenty of fruit on our trees. No problems from 36f.
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I live in Pinellas (9ab). Lemon Zest flower every year, however, my Maha Chanok have not flower yet. (3-4 year graft). The leaves and branches are quite large, could it be a Maha?
What could it be?
prune too late? (Around August)
too cold? upper 30s to 60s at night.
do I need to fertilize?
Any suggestions are appreciated.
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Patience, wait for it.
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How long the wait? my tree about 8-10ft, trunk about 4-5inch diameter. I'm thinking to chop it down if it not blooming soon.
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I live in Pinellas (9ab). Lemon Zest flower every year, however, my Maha Chanok have not flower yet. (3-4 year graft). The leaves and branches are quite large, could it be a Maha?
What could it be?
prune too late? (Around August)
too cold? upper 30s to 60s at night.
do I need to fertilize?
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Mahas aren’t precocious trees and usually take at least 3 years to start flowering.
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How long the wait? my tree about 8-10ft, trunk about 4-5inch diameter. I'm thinking to chop it down if it not blooming soon.
Post a pic of your Maha tree. I'm in St. Pete and we got a hard freeze on Jan 18, 2018 and it wiped out all blooms. Of the 2 Mahas in my yard, only 1 tree reflowered and fruited that year.
My Mahas were planted in 2013 (first fruited 2015) and 2014 (first fruited 2017) as 7 gals. Your tree may just be taking a little longer (as Alex suggested above). However, with a 4-5 in diameter trunk, that tree should be fruiting. Curious.
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Angie and Pickering have blossomed lightly this year. Maybe because they had such a heavy crop last year? Providence had a few blossoms for the first time. I'll instruct the new owners to have this tree top-worked, especially if it falls prey to MBBS. (Yes, new owners. My house sold in one day at full asking price!)
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Angie and Pickering have blossomed lightly this year. Maybe because they had such a heavy crop last year? Providence had a few blossoms for the first time. I'll instruct the new owners to have this tree top-worked, especially if it falls prey to MBBS. (Yes, new owners. My house sold in one day at full asking price!)
Glad to hear it went smoothly.
Wow providence I have a tree love the fruit hopefully it fruits this year for me !
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Angie and Pickering have blossomed lightly this year. Maybe because they had such a heavy crop last year? Providence had a few blossoms for the first time. I'll instruct the new owners to have this tree top-worked, especially if it falls prey to MBBS. (Yes, new owners. My house sold in one day at full asking price!)
Congratulations.
Real estate market in south Florida is crazy. Anything within reason is gone tomorrow, especially if there’s any yard space.
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Wow providence I have a tree love the fruit hopefully it fruits this year for me !
Probably hit or miss with Providence from everything I've been told. I hope they get lucky and get good fruit. Kent still produces good fruit for some people although usually very susceptible to MBBS.
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My first flowering is mostly a bust.
Rain, cold and perhaps a disproportionate rate of male flowers. I am not sure which but lots of the flowers are drying and dropping off.
A couple of trees appear to have set some fruits though but still way too small to determine if they will stay on. One more really cold night on tap tonight and that may be it for that bunch.
Now hoping the cold is enough to induce a second flush or get the trees that have not flowered yet, to.
Anyone else experiencing same?
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Yes, my Kent flowered great but seeing the same as you (no fruit at all). The Haden had about 1/4 of the tree blooming
with tons of little fruit, hoping the rest of the tree will bloom. The carrie and glen are the same, about 1/4 of the tree bloomed. The carrie is just now starting to push blooms on the other 3/4 of the tree.
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My first flowering is mostly a bust.
Rain, cold and perhaps a disproportionate rate of male flowers. I am not sure which but lots of the flowers are drying and dropping off.
A couple of trees appear to have set some fruits though but still way too small to determine if they will stay on. One more really cold night on tap tonight and that may be it for that bunch.
Now hoping the cold is enough to induce a second flush or get the trees that have not flowered yet, to.
Anyone else experiencing same?
Same here, all the moisture and this cold night should be the end of that first bloom. It’s fortunate only one tree bloomed.
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My first flowering is mostly a bust.
Rain, cold and perhaps a disproportionate rate of male flowers. I am not sure which but lots of the flowers are drying and dropping off.
A couple of trees appear to have set some fruits though but still way too small to determine if they will stay on. One more really cold night on tap tonight and that may be it for that bunch.
Now hoping the cold is enough to induce a second flush or get the trees that have not flowered yet, to.
Anyone else experiencing same?
Same here.. also loss some later season grafts
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Bloom has been OK but spotty. Fruit set has been good. The bad news is that I'm already seeing MBBS, along with anthracnose. We had too much rain this winter. Could be a bad year, high disease pressure -- the opposite of last winter.
Curious to hear @Squam256's report on disease issues this season.
We need to find something that's effective against MBBS. I was going to try that Phyton 35, but the instructions require posting of signs if one is using it within 300 feet of a residential area and carries the Warning signal word. I might give copper oxide + agri mycin a shot.
There's a new product on the market called Revysol, which received EPA "Reduced Risk" status. Not labeled for mango, but would be interesting to try on MBBS.
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Spotty bloom in merritt island so far but this cold spell should fix that. Carrie in my yard had a full bloom but seems to have failed to set any fruit, so disappointing. Ill have to check around the other Carries but I think they are all going to be the same.
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My Carrie blooms failed woefully as well.
It was a heavy flowering, not sure if it was the rain and cold or just a lot of males. Carries are reported to make a lot of male flowers sometimes.
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Ice cream is my biggest disappointment, maybe 1% fruit set at this time, loads of dead flowers.
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Bloom has been OK but spotty. Fruit set has been good. The bad news is that I'm already seeing MBBS, along with anthracnose. We had too much rain this winter. Could be a bad year, high disease pressure -- the opposite of last winter.
Curious to hear @Squam256's report on disease issues this season.
We need to find something that's effective against MBBS. I was going to try that Phyton 35, but the instructions require posting of signs if one is using it within 300 feet of a residential area and carries the Warning signal word. I might give copper oxide + agri mycin a shot.
There's a new product on the market called Revysol, which received EPA "Reduced Risk" status. Not labeled for mango, but would be interesting to try on MBBS.
I am seeing the same in my yard. Better than usual fruit set but have been seeing MBBS and anthracnose over the last week. Seeing it on Himasagar, Keitt, Bailey's Marvel, Kesar, Angie and even Edgar. Mallika, Cotton Candy, Florigon, NDM #4, Valcarrie and Lemon Meringue seem to have some resistance.
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My Carrie blooms failed woefully as well.
It was a heavy flowering, not sure if it was the rain and cold or just a lot of males. Carries are reported to make a lot of male flowers sometimes.
Carrie has a reputation for flowering heavily the first time and then disappointing big time. It is the same thing every year; more male flowers than almost every other variety. This is the fourth year that has happened to me, and my friends have reported the same issue as well. It usually flowers again, not nearly as much as the first time, but the fruit set is usually better. Another variety that does the same thing is Ugly Betty; it is the first to flower in my yard and sometimes flowers three times during a season, but I end up getting less than 10 mangoes.
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Can you guys post some picks so I know what to look for?
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I was looking at the weather history for my location and noticed 11/16/19-11/21/19 we had lows below 61F.
3 weeks after I started seeing my first blooms.
From 1/20/20 -1/27/20 we had similar lows so I'm hoping to see the rest of the trees bloom around the 17th.
We have a similar post each year so maybe someone can dig those up and compare historical weather data.
I know the bloom triggers are well documented, but I'm always guessing as to when the flowers will emerge after.
Hopefully, i can spray before now.
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We did “ok” on the first bloom all things considered. Edward trees had a full bloom, along with most “bloom sensitive stuff”, with plenty of trees with partial/incomplete blooms and too many with zero, to be expected with such weak winters. Spotty is a good description for most of south Florida. Larger, older trees saw majority blooms but most younger mangos saw incomplete blooms or no blooms at all depending on variety and tree condition.
The rain in December was so heavy and frequent that we were unable to protect the earliest opening blooms from fungal damage and so the early crops on Rosigold and Jean Ellen will be reduced compared to last year.
Male flower ratio is a huge problem with a number of varieties and will be a major reason why the early crop will be a bust for many in south Florida. The flowers that opened first on Edwards, Carrie, Julie, Dwarf Hawaiian and some others were almost exclusively male. Flowers that opened a week or so later had better female flower ratio and consequently set well. I’ll try to remember to take some pics later.
MBBS incidence is indeed likely to be increased over 2019. That it is showing up on small fruit already is a strong indicator, as these lesions will stay on the fruit, expand and spread rapidly to other fruit once rainy season begins again. The amount of spraying and sanitation removal to attempt to limit it exceeds what most backyard growers are willing to commit.
If the season was going to be based solely on what is on the trees now, then we would be looking at the worst south Florida mango crop in at least a decade. Fortunately, we are very likely to see a secondary bloom occur in the later part of this month. Already we are seeing some new bloom activity on Carries, Dots, Okrung, Rosas and others stemming from minor cool weather in the first half of January. We have had 15C and below nights on 11 of the last 16 days, which is what will trigger the larger bloom we’ll be seeing in a few weeks. The question will be how extensive it’s going to actually be given all the late vegetative flushes that occurred at the end of 2019 because of the ridiculously hot October we had. With the lows climbing up into the upper 60s/low 70sF the next few weeks, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a good amount of mixed panicles, morphing to vegetative growth in stuff that Takes too long to initiate following the relative cool of the end of January. Will also be interested to see how much “re-bloom” we see , vs new bloom on stems that did not flower in January.
A great crop is pretty much out of the question. But we could still have an “acceptable” crop (or at least what has become acceptable over the last 10 years in south Florida).
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My Pickering lots of blooms , my M4 half the tree is in bloom.
I had more blooms last year, but I’m great-full for any fruit I get this season .
Ed
Ps I’m totally hooked on growing medicinal mushrooms!
Lots of fun!
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Thanks for the update. Sounds similar to what I'm seeing here. Low bloom plus bad MBBS outbreak could mean a bad harvest. And, yah, seeing very little in the way of 2nd bloom starting, even though we've had a good deal of cold over the past several weeks.
We did “ok” on the first bloom all things considered. Edward trees had a full bloom, along with most “bloom sensitive stuff”, with plenty of trees with partial/incomplete blooms and too many with zero, to be expected with such weak winters. Spotty is a good description for most of south Florida. Larger, older trees saw majority blooms but most younger mangos saw incomplete blooms or no blooms at all depending on variety and tree condition.
The rain in December was so heavy and frequent that we were unable to protect the earliest opening blooms from fungal damage and so the early crops on Rosigold and Jean Ellen will be reduced compared to last year.
Male flower ratio is a huge problem with a number of varieties and will be a major reason why the early crop will be a bust for many in south Florida. The flowers that opened first on Edwards, Carrie, Julie, Dwarf Hawaiian and some others were almost exclusively male. Flowers that opened a week or so later had better female flower ratio and consequently set well. I’ll try to remember to take some pics later.
MBBS incidence is indeed likely to be increased over 2019. That it is showing up on small fruit already is a strong indicator, as these lesions will stay on the fruit, expand and spread rapidly to other fruit once rainy season begins again. The amount of spraying and sanitation removal to attempt to limit it exceeds what most backyard growers are willing to commit.
If the season was going to be based solely on what is on the trees now, then we would be looking at the worst south Florida mango crop in at least a decade. Fortunately, we are very likely to see a secondary bloom occur in the later part of this month. Already we are seeing some new bloom activity on Carries, Dots, Okrung, Rosas and others stemming from minor cool weather in the first half of January. We have had 15C and below nights on 11 of the last 16 days, which is what will trigger the larger bloom we’ll be seeing in a few weeks. The question will be how extensive it’s going to actually be given all the late vegetative flushes that occurred at the end of 2019 because of the ridiculously hot October we had. With the lows climbing up into the upper 60s/low 70sF the next few weeks, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a good amount of mixed panicles, morphing to vegetative growth in stuff that Takes too long to initiate following the relative cool of the end of January. Will also be interested to see how much “re-bloom” we see , vs new bloom on stems that did not flower in January.
A great crop is pretty much out of the question. But we could still have an “acceptable” crop (or at least what has become acceptable over the last 10 years in south Florida).
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Thus far, things are looking pretty good down this way. Nice fruit set on Glenn, better than last year. Increases on ndm4, coco cream, and first fruits on Kesar, kasturi and sweet tart. OS dropped all fruits. Hoping for a second bloom.
Will take a close look tomorrow for any problems/disease, but haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary.
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Fairly awful year for my yard. Last year we had a great bloom and that might explain the disappointing bloom this year. My Glenn which for 9 years straight has consistently been wonderful this year has maybe 1 flower on it. Of 15 trees, maybe 2 have a semi-decent bloom.
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Its still early for blooms in my opinion since Feb is traditionally our coldest month. But I have them on several of my trees. Like I said elsewhere, early blooms and the warm winter is bringing out the weevils who love mango and some citrus trees. Spray your trees after the blooms finish to try and put a check on the voracious little bastards. Provided you don't have chickens happy to fly up into your tree to eat them.
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Lots of bloom happening here. Looks like it might be a good year after all. Just need to keep an eye on the MBBS.
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some kesars and ndm fruit appear to have anthracnose, a few have dropped. cc, st, glenn, and kasturi fruits all look good.
better fruit set on glenn than last year, and new flowers are popping.
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Here in psl, my few flowers that became bb size mangos disappeared.
90% of the rest of the tree is paused at bud stage for over a month.
Anthracnose back with vengence, cloudy today so a dose of copper's on my to-do list.
When i plant a few trees next month, i'll want varieties tolerant to warmer & humid weather if this is new norm.
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2020 Mango Season (Pennsylvania) :P
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some kesars and ndm fruit appear to have anthracnose, a few have dropped. cc, st, glenn, and kasturi fruits all look good.
better fruit set on glenn than last year, and new flowers are popping.
Same here.. first time I am seeing these varieties being hit by anthracnose. I see open skin and bleeding on some fruits as well.
On the brighter side, most of the trees are blooming for the second time.
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Might need to step up your spray regimen. This time of year, you really need to spray at least once every 2 weeks. And it helps to apply curative products (eg, the strobilurins) as well as preventative (copper).
some kesars and ndm fruit appear to have anthracnose, a few have dropped. cc, st, glenn, and kasturi fruits all look good.
better fruit set on glenn than last year, and new flowers are popping.
Same here.. first time I am seeing these varieties being hit by anthracnose. I see open skin and bleeding on some fruits as well.
On the brighter side, most of the trees are blooming for the second time.
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We’re getting more and more aggressive strains of anthracnose in south Florida.
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Blooms emerging now on M-4, Fruit Punch, Guava and Lemon Zest. Peach Cobbler, Sweet Tart, and Buttercream aren’t far behind. Venus and Sugarloaf don’t look very promising. Hoping for the best
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I jumped the gun guys !
M4- Heavy Blooms
Maha - Heavy Blooms
Pickering- Heavy Blooms
Cotton Candy - Heavy Blooms
Mauritius lychee- Heavy Bloom
Guava Mango - Heavy Blooms
Pin-apple Pleasure ( Recently Planted )
Holiday Avocado - Super Heavy Blooms
Ed
Sweet Tart ( Budding )
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I'm seeing a finally seeing the second bloom panicles emerging.
A lot of buds haven't even begun to push, so at least for me it might not be a complete bloom (this current summer-like weather might not help)
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@Alex
LMK if you need help compiling a list of bloom sensitive stuff.
I can make a google spreadsheet with mango cultivars with the goal of people filtering things down based on different attributes like MBBS resistance, bloom sensitivity etc.
Don't think there's a convenient resource for this yet.
A lot of people's biggest resource when starting out is PINs viewer and Fairchilds list. (That's what i planted, then began to top work years later)
They're gonna have to decide whether to "top-rated" varieties like "Tebow" or Cogshall :P
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We did “ok” on the first bloom all things considered. Edward trees had a full bloom, along with most “bloom sensitive stuff”, with plenty of trees with partial/incomplete blooms and too many with zero, to be expected with such weak winters. Spotty is a good description for most of south Florida. Larger, older trees saw majority blooms but most younger mangos saw incomplete blooms or no blooms at all depending on variety and tree condition.
The rain in December was so heavy and frequent that we were unable to protect the earliest opening blooms from fungal damage and so the early crops on Rosigold and Jean Ellen will be reduced compared to last year.
Male flower ratio is a huge problem with a number of varieties and will be a major reason why the early crop will be a bust for many in south Florida. The flowers that opened first on Edwards, Carrie, Julie, Dwarf Hawaiian and some others were almost exclusively male. Flowers that opened a week or so later had better female flower ratio and consequently set well. I’ll try to remember to take some pics later.
MBBS incidence is indeed likely to be increased over 2019. That it is showing up on small fruit already is a strong indicator, as these lesions will stay on the fruit, expand and spread rapidly to other fruit once rainy season begins again. The amount of spraying and sanitation removal to attempt to limit it exceeds what most backyard growers are willing to commit.
If the season was going to be based solely on what is on the trees now, then we would be looking at the worst south Florida mango crop in at least a decade. Fortunately, we are very likely to see a secondary bloom occur in the later part of this month. Already we are seeing some new bloom activity on Carries, Dots, Okrung, Rosas and others stemming from minor cool weather in the first half of January. We have had 15C and below nights on 11 of the last 16 days, which is what will trigger the larger bloom we’ll be seeing in a few weeks. The question will be how extensive it’s going to actually be given all the late vegetative flushes that occurred at the end of 2019 because of the ridiculously hot October we had. With the lows climbing up into the upper 60s/low 70sF the next few weeks, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a good amount of mixed panicles, morphing to vegetative growth in stuff that Takes too long to initiate following the relative cool of the end of January. Will also be interested to see how much “re-bloom” we see , vs new bloom on stems that did not flower in January.
A great crop is pretty much out of the question. But we could still have an “acceptable” crop (or at least what has become acceptable over the last 10 years in south Florida).
Any Pics Yet.............
"Male flower ratio is a huge problem with a number of varieties......... vs. female flower ratio.......................... I’ll try to remember to take some pics later. "
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We did “ok” on the first bloom all things considered. Edward trees had a full bloom, along with most “bloom sensitive stuff”, with plenty of trees with partial/incomplete blooms and too many with zero, to be expected with such weak winters. Spotty is a good description for most of south Florida. Larger, older trees saw majority blooms but most younger mangos saw incomplete blooms or no blooms at all depending on variety and tree condition.
The rain in December was so heavy and frequent that we were unable to protect the earliest opening blooms from fungal damage and so the early crops on Rosigold and Jean Ellen will be reduced compared to last year.
Male flower ratio is a huge problem with a number of varieties and will be a major reason why the early crop will be a bust for many in south Florida. The flowers that opened first on Edwards, Carrie, Julie, Dwarf Hawaiian and some others were almost exclusively male. Flowers that opened a week or so later had better female flower ratio and consequently set well. I’ll try to remember to take some pics later.
MBBS incidence is indeed likely to be increased over 2019. That it is showing up on small fruit already is a strong indicator, as these lesions will stay on the fruit, expand and spread rapidly to other fruit once rainy season begins again. The amount of spraying and sanitation removal to attempt to limit it exceeds what most backyard growers are willing to commit.
If the season was going to be based solely on what is on the trees now, then we would be looking at the worst south Florida mango crop in at least a decade. Fortunately, we are very likely to see a secondary bloom occur in the later part of this month. Already we are seeing some new bloom activity on Carries, Dots, Okrung, Rosas and others stemming from minor cool weather in the first half of January. We have had 15C and below nights on 11 of the last 16 days, which is what will trigger the larger bloom we’ll be seeing in a few weeks. The question will be how extensive it’s going to actually be given all the late vegetative flushes that occurred at the end of 2019 because of the ridiculously hot October we had. With the lows climbing up into the upper 60s/low 70sF the next few weeks, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a good amount of mixed panicles, morphing to vegetative growth in stuff that Takes too long to initiate following the relative cool of the end of January. Will also be interested to see how much “re-bloom” we see , vs new bloom on stems that did not flower in January.
A great crop is pretty much out of the question. But we could still have an “acceptable” crop (or at least what has become acceptable over the last 10 years in south Florida).
Any Pics Yet.............
"Male flower ratio is a huge problem with a number of varieties......... vs. female flower ratio.......................... I’ll try to remember to take some pics later. "
No, but we shot some video where I talk about it comparing varieties . Needs to get edited and uploaded.
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My sugar loaf is pretty small but has a few blooms on it, no diseases.
orange essence which is 4 years old has no blooms just a moderate amount of bacterial leaf spots.
honey kiss shouldn't have blooms yet, but the tree looks great and this will be it's second year fruiting so I'm not worried.
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Rosigold second bloom, Sugarloaf blooms emerging, Carrie second bloom, first was minor, Peach Cobbler and Sweet Tart close
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Looking forward to seeing this, Alex.
We did “ok” on the first bloom all things considered. Edward trees had a full bloom, along with most “bloom sensitive stuff”, with plenty of trees with partial/incomplete blooms and too many with zero, to be expected with such weak winters. Spotty is a good description for most of south Florida. Larger, older trees saw majority blooms but most younger mangos saw incomplete blooms or no blooms at all depending on variety and tree condition.
The rain in December was so heavy and frequent that we were unable to protect the earliest opening blooms from fungal damage and so the early crops on Rosigold and Jean Ellen will be reduced compared to last year.
Male flower ratio is a huge problem with a number of varieties and will be a major reason why the early crop will be a bust for many in south Florida. The flowers that opened first on Edwards, Carrie, Julie, Dwarf Hawaiian and some others were almost exclusively male. Flowers that opened a week or so later had better female flower ratio and consequently set well. I’ll try to remember to take some pics later.
MBBS incidence is indeed likely to be increased over 2019. That it is showing up on small fruit already is a strong indicator, as these lesions will stay on the fruit, expand and spread rapidly to other fruit once rainy season begins again. The amount of spraying and sanitation removal to attempt to limit it exceeds what most backyard growers are willing to commit.
If the season was going to be based solely on what is on the trees now, then we would be looking at the worst south Florida mango crop in at least a decade. Fortunately, we are very likely to see a secondary bloom occur in the later part of this month. Already we are seeing some new bloom activity on Carries, Dots, Okrung, Rosas and others stemming from minor cool weather in the first half of January. We have had 15C and below nights on 11 of the last 16 days, which is what will trigger the larger bloom we’ll be seeing in a few weeks. The question will be how extensive it’s going to actually be given all the late vegetative flushes that occurred at the end of 2019 because of the ridiculously hot October we had. With the lows climbing up into the upper 60s/low 70sF the next few weeks, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a good amount of mixed panicles, morphing to vegetative growth in stuff that Takes too long to initiate following the relative cool of the end of January. Will also be interested to see how much “re-bloom” we see , vs new bloom on stems that did not flower in January.
A great crop is pretty much out of the question. But we could still have an “acceptable” crop (or at least what has become acceptable over the last 10 years in south Florida).
Any Pics Yet.............
"Male flower ratio is a huge problem with a number of varieties......... vs. female flower ratio.......................... I’ll try to remember to take some pics later. "
No, but we shot some video where I talk about it comparing varieties . Needs to get edited and uploaded.
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Second bloom on all three mango trees: Pickering, Angie, and Providence. This neighborhood, just west of Intracoastal Waterway, has been the perfect location for growing mangos. Never any issues. Always healthy trees.
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Peach cobbler starting to bloom, the first bloom only has two pea size mangoes on it.
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Second blooms on my two big trees: Haden and Glenn. The Glenn set a ton of fruit on the first bloom and has a ton of new blooms now. My ~10 Zill's varieties all bloomed and set fruit but I'm not letting them carry fruit this year.
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Looks like next Thursday to Sunday we may get 4 pretty chilly nights esp for late feb/early March ...upper 40s. What are the chances of 3rd bloom a few weeks after the cool stretch?
I'm also on second bloom for my trees like many here, and for one well established NDM tree in particular, I hoping for a 3rd as the first two blooms only covered about a 3rd of the tree.
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Looks like next Thursday to Sunday we may get 4 pretty chilly nights esp for late feb/early March ...upper 40s. What are the chances of 3rd bloom a few weeks after the cool stretch?
I'm also on second bloom for my trees like many here, and for one well established NDM tree in particular, I hoping for a 3rd as the first two blooms only covered about a 3rd of the tree.
Decent possibility there will be some bloom response on stems that weren’t aged enough for the first two waves. The more nights under 60F, the more greater the response.
We’re seeing plenty of what you’re describing as well: partial blooms rather than full on some varieties. We’re even seeing vegetative growth on a number of things that took too long to initiate.
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My Pickering mango tree had a ton of flowers and now has about 30 fruits starting to set, with the rest of flowers drying up and falling off. It's only about 5 feet tall and in a pot. How many mangoes can the tree support at that size?
Should I trim off some mangoes, or will the tree just abort the ones it can't support anyway? The new branches that the mangoes are on don't look like they'd be able to support more than one mango apiece, but I guess since mangoes only grow on new growth anyway, the branches will just get thicker as the mangoes get bigger.
What do you guys think?
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I have a couple of trees that tried a second bloom, many have very confused flowers. Half vegetative flush and half flower panicle. Or should I say panicles with some leafs. Are those goners?
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my sugar loaf has half blooms on it's windy side, honey kiss/orange essence no blooms. My oro negro is starting to bloom too but I'm not sure if it's because of the cold or not
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Found an older gentleman whos from guyana with 3 Blackie seedling trees. Hes had fruits ripe on the tree since the first week of february. He said it always does that and it bears twice. The sap smells similar to Madame Francique but more towards the Carabao. Ive had the mango of one of the other trees last year when I first met him. Very hair mango but juicy so its easy to just suck all the flesh without getting fiber stuck in your teeth. Super sweet with equal parts spice.
Im holding this mango like its a newborn puppy.
(https://i.postimg.cc/G9WcYtLR/20200223-134352.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G9WcYtLR)
(https://i.postimg.cc/JsmM6FHd/20200223-134534.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JsmM6FHd)
(https://i.postimg.cc/w7D9kzMm/20200223-134851.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w7D9kzMm)
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Found an older gentleman whos from guyana with 3 Blackie seedling trees. Hes had fruits ripe on the tree since the first week of february. He said it always does that and it bears twice. The sap smells similar to Madame Francique but more towards the Carabao. Ive had the mango of one of the other trees last year when I first met him. Very hair mango but juicy so its easy to just suck all the flesh without getting fiber stuck in your teeth. Super sweet with equal parts spice.
I see you have your location South Florida... So what city, county, or country if not in the U.S. is the tree located?
I like some turpentine mangos and if the same type of taste, I would be happy to plant those seeds.
I see Truly Tropical also grows a turpentine mango tree for those desiring the taste. If a nice taste & if this mango bears earlier & twice a year, I assume others like myself would want to grow it. Any more information on other "Blackie" trees being sold at nurseries etc.?
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He doesnt have a grafted Blackie tree. Theyre 3 seedlings of the Blackie Mango he brought back home years ago. South Broward county, FL. Let me say he literally has a jungle in his backyard. It definitely handles fungus well. Im still in awe to have a mango in February lol.
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Found an older gentleman whos from guyana with 3 Blackie seedling trees. Hes had fruits ripe on the tree since the first week of february. He said it always does that and it bears twice. The sap smells similar to Madame Francique but more towards the Carabao. Ive had the mango of one of the other trees last year when I first met him. Very hair mango but juicy so its easy to just suck all the flesh without getting fiber stuck in your teeth. Super sweet with equal parts spice.
Im holding this mango like its a newborn puppy.
(https://i.postimg.cc/G9WcYtLR/20200223-134352.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G9WcYtLR)
(https://i.postimg.cc/JsmM6FHd/20200223-134534.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JsmM6FHd)
(https://i.postimg.cc/w7D9kzMm/20200223-134851.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w7D9kzMm)
Are you sure this is Blackie?
Look just like Black Spice/Buxton Spice mango (the main mango from Guyana).
Also, the flavor is the same as you described.
I know multiple people in Florida that claim they get two crops from their Black Spice tree.
One of them is in St Pete.
Anyways it's great to have a mango at this time of year, enjoy
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Whats up Sayyad, the pickering is doing great at the garden by the way. Hope all is well brother.
I have that community garden in Miramar I told you about and Miramar is an extremely caribbean community so they keep us honest lol.
Guyana Trinidad and Jamaica all have an influx of ancestory from India so a lot of their resources and lingo get mixed up.
I wouldnt doubt the confusion but its one of my projects for this year is to clear that up.
Buxton Spice is Black Spice and Black Spice is whats its called by the people. But there is a much sweeter mango called the Blackie. I have Black Spice and the sap smells bland compared to what this Blackie seedling trees smell like. Theres 3.
The multiple bearing thing is actually something a lot of caribbean varieties do. Remember in the caribbean they actually like the black spots and sap running. They selected seedlings for yield and flavor back then. Aesthetics is a lie to many folks from the caribbean 😏
All in all 2 trees bearing ripe fruit in February is nuts.
But yea definitely not Black Spice. Now I have another guy with the hairy mango which is what I believe many Jamaicans call Blackie because they actually look the same other than the fact that the Hairy Mango is smaller.
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Whats up Sayyad, the pickering is doing great at the garden by the way. Hope all is well brother.
I have that community garden in Miramar I told you about and Miramar is an extremely caribbean community so they keep us honest lol.
Guyana Trinidad and Jamaica all have an influx of ancestory from India so a lot of their resources and lingo get mixed up.
I wouldnt doubt the confusion but its one of my projects for this year is to clear that up.
Buxton Spice is Black Spice and Black Spice is whats its called by the people. But there is a much sweeter mango called the Blackie. I have Black Spice and the sap smells bland compared to what this Blackie seedling trees smell like. Theres 3.
The multiple bearing thing is actually something a lot of caribbean varieties do. Remember in the caribbean they actually like the black spots and sap running. They selected seedlings for yield and flavor back then. Aesthetics is a lie to many folks from the caribbean 😏
All in all 2 trees bearing ripe fruit in February is nuts.
But yea definitely not Black Spice. Now I have another guy with the hairy mango which is what I believe many Jamaicans call Blackie because they actually look the same other than the fact that the Hairy Mango is smaller.
Glad to hear your project is going well.
Everything is doing well here. Just hoping for a good crop.
Reason I mentioned black spice is that my parents are Guyanese and have a few trees.
Also I know a bunch of other people with black spice trees in my locality.
I've tasted many of these fruits from many trees and they all have cac/zinc sap smell, small green fruit and black spots.
All these trees were grown from seed directly from Guyana.
Surprisingly, after the establishment not much resources were shared.
For instance Julie is not really common in Guyana but it is in both Trinidad and Jamaica.
With that being said, if your guy calls in blackie, that's cool.
He grew the tree so he can call it whatever he wants in my book.
I wouldn't be surprised if different subcultures in Guyana call things different names though.
Everything I'm saying is based on my Guyanese/Indian heritage.
Sorry for the long post.
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Whats up Sayyad, the pickering is doing great at the garden by the way. Hope all is well brother.
I have that community garden in Miramar I told you about and Miramar is an extremely caribbean community so they keep us honest lol.
Guyana Trinidad and Jamaica all have an influx of ancestory from India so a lot of their resources and lingo get mixed up.
I wouldnt doubt the confusion but its one of my projects for this year is to clear that up.
Buxton Spice is Black Spice and Black Spice is whats its called by the people. But there is a much sweeter mango called the Blackie. I have Black Spice and the sap smells bland compared to what this Blackie seedling trees smell like. Theres 3.
The multiple bearing thing is actually something a lot of caribbean varieties do. Remember in the caribbean they actually like the black spots and sap running. They selected seedlings for yield and flavor back then. Aesthetics is a lie to many folks from the caribbean 😏
All in all 2 trees bearing ripe fruit in February is nuts.
But yea definitely not Black Spice. Now I have another guy with the hairy mango which is what I believe many Jamaicans call Blackie because they actually look the same other than the fact that the Hairy Mango is smaller.
So to be clear blackie in Guyana is not the blackie I know from Jamaica?
Sidenote- Miramar resident here, very cool about the community garden I heard about it a few years back but thought it was only about veggies...is that the same City run community garden?
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Whats up Sayyad, the pickering is doing great at the garden by the way. Hope all is well brother.
I have that community garden in Miramar I told you about and Miramar is an extremely caribbean community so they keep us honest lol.
Guyana Trinidad and Jamaica all have an influx of ancestory from India so a lot of their resources and lingo get mixed up.
I wouldnt doubt the confusion but its one of my projects for this year is to clear that up.
Buxton Spice is Black Spice and Black Spice is whats its called by the people. But there is a much sweeter mango called the Blackie. I have Black Spice and the sap smells bland compared to what this Blackie seedling trees smell like. Theres 3.
The multiple bearing thing is actually something a lot of caribbean varieties do. Remember in the caribbean they actually like the black spots and sap running. They selected seedlings for yield and flavor back then. Aesthetics is a lie to many folks from the caribbean 😏
All in all 2 trees bearing ripe fruit in February is nuts.
But yea definitely not Black Spice. Now I have another guy with the hairy mango which is what I believe many Jamaicans call Blackie because they actually look the same other than the fact that the Hairy Mango is smaller.
So to be clear blackie in Guyana is not the blackie I know from Jamaica?
Sidenote- Miramar resident here, very cool about the community garden I heard about it a few years back but thought it was only about veggies...is that the same City run community garden?
Im working on figuring this all out lol. The number 11 is in the mix too. No its not run by the city. Its a private garden a buddy of mine Hans started and he asked me to join him and since then we've loaded the place up.
We'll be hosting mango tastings and providing space for a small farmers market/festival soon. The goal is community and to raise awareness of the land and bring the city back to the roots. Its tough because its in a rough pocket of Miramar so balancing all the stuff that comes with that and trying to focus on growing for the community is complicated. I've had to scare off bad people and sometimes it becomes a headache but what can you do...
I dont care though because trees have always been bigger than people. Ive met some really good people here like this Guyanese senior citizen and the community needs help. Hans took it to heart and Ive made it my passion to watch over it. Its not easy but the Honeymation Mango seed will be pulled from this ground one day. Honeymations Miramar Community Garden.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Pp808BTr/20200218-233119.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Pp808BTr)
(https://i.postimg.cc/RWgrr7g9/20200219-161251.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RWgrr7g9)
(https://i.postimg.cc/vxFk73Z7/20200222-170534.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vxFk73Z7)
First Honeymation Tree: Super Julie/Orange Sherbet/Wester(EdwardxEarle Carabao)
Neelam & Francique are the only trees fruiting on site this 1st season.
Soon when I get things organized I'll be inviting everyone from here.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MMT3ygwj/IMG-20200220-154244-778.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MMT3ygwj)
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Whats up Sayyad, the pickering is doing great at the garden by the way. Hope all is well brother.
I have that community garden in Miramar I told you about and Miramar is an extremely caribbean community so they keep us honest lol.
Guyana Trinidad and Jamaica all have an influx of ancestory from India so a lot of their resources and lingo get mixed up.
I wouldnt doubt the confusion but its one of my projects for this year is to clear that up.
Buxton Spice is Black Spice and Black Spice is whats its called by the people. But there is a much sweeter mango called the Blackie. I have Black Spice and the sap smells bland compared to what this Blackie seedling trees smell like. Theres 3.
The multiple bearing thing is actually something a lot of caribbean varieties do. Remember in the caribbean they actually like the black spots and sap running. They selected seedlings for yield and flavor back then. Aesthetics is a lie to many folks from the caribbean 😏
All in all 2 trees bearing ripe fruit in February is nuts.
But yea definitely not Black Spice. Now I have another guy with the hairy mango which is what I believe many Jamaicans call Blackie because they actually look the same other than the fact that the Hairy Mango is smaller.
Glad to hear your project is going well.
Everything is doing well here. Just hoping for a good crop.
Reason I mentioned black spice is that my parents are Guyanese and have a few trees.
Also I know a bunch of other people with black spice trees in my locality.
I've tasted many of these fruits from many trees and they all have cac/zinc sap smell, small green fruit and black spots.
All these trees were grown from seed directly from Guyana.
Surprisingly, after the establishment not much resources were shared.
For instance Julie is not really common in Guyana but it is in both Trinidad and Jamaica.
With that being said, if your guy calls in blackie, that's cool.
He grew the tree so he can call it whatever he wants in my book.
I wouldn't be surprised if different subcultures in Guyana call things different names though.
Everything I'm saying is based on my Guyanese/Indian heritage.
Sorry for the long post.
Heres a picture from google. Look at the consistent white markings in the green. I really feel theyre all just different seedlings of the same things. Like all the Haden crosses for example.
(https://i.postimg.cc/2b13LdH7/19955735-2351931581698944-6676379198224859136-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2b13LdH7)
Hit it on the money with the Cac smelling sap. Youre probably right and maybe its the same thing you know...Black Spice and maybe the Rasta came back and said Blackie 😏. I love this stuff because it shows people how connected our ancestors were. Still pretty crazy to eat mango in February that actually has flavor 😂 God bless you brother
(https://i.postimg.cc/hf1xBrNX/20200223-134851.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hf1xBrNX)
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Whats up Sayyad, the pickering is doing great at the garden by the way. Hope all is well brother.
I have that community garden in Miramar I told you about and Miramar is an extremely caribbean community so they keep us honest lol.
Guyana Trinidad and Jamaica all have an influx of ancestory from India so a lot of their resources and lingo get mixed up.
I wouldnt doubt the confusion but its one of my projects for this year is to clear that up.
Buxton Spice is Black Spice and Black Spice is whats its called by the people. But there is a much sweeter mango called the Blackie. I have Black Spice and the sap smells bland compared to what this Blackie seedling trees smell like. Theres 3.
The multiple bearing thing is actually something a lot of caribbean varieties do. Remember in the caribbean they actually like the black spots and sap running. They selected seedlings for yield and flavor back then. Aesthetics is a lie to many folks from the caribbean 😏
All in all 2 trees bearing ripe fruit in February is nuts.
But yea definitely not Black Spice. Now I have another guy with the hairy mango which is what I believe many Jamaicans call Blackie because they actually look the same other than the fact that the Hairy Mango is smaller.
So to be clear blackie in Guyana is not the blackie I know from Jamaica?
Sidenote- Miramar resident here, very cool about the community garden I heard about it a few years back but thought it was only about veggies...is that the same City run community garden?
Im working on figuring this all out lol. The number 11 is in the mix too. No its not run by the city. Its a private garden a buddy of mine Hans started and he asked me to join him and since then we've loaded the place up.
We'll be hosting mango tastings and providing space for a small farmers market/festival soon. The goal is community and to raise awareness of the land and bring the city back to the roots. Its tough because its in a rough pocket of Miramar so balancing all the stuff that comes with that and trying to focus on growing for the community is complicated. I've had to scare off bad people and sometimes it becomes a headache but what can you do...
I dont care though because trees have always been bigger than people. Ive met some really good people here like this Guyanese senior citizen and the community needs help. Hans took it to heart and Ive made it my passion to watch over it. Its not easy but the Honeymation Mango seed will be pulled from this ground one day. Honeymations Miramar Community Garden.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Pp808BTr/20200218-233119.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Pp808BTr)
(https://i.postimg.cc/RWgrr7g9/20200219-161251.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RWgrr7g9)
(https://i.postimg.cc/vxFk73Z7/20200222-170534.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vxFk73Z7)
First Honeymation Tree: Super Julie/Orange Sherbet/Wester(EdwardxEarle Carabao)
Neelam & Francique are the only trees fruiting on site this 1st season.
Soon when I get things organized I'll be inviting everyone from here.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MMT3ygwj/IMG-20200220-154244-778.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MMT3ygwj)
Good stuff I had a similar idea here a few years back about an project to introduce the Caribbean varieties to south FL for many of the same reasons, for the diaspora esp the second and third generations to know some of the fruit from their heritage. Keep it up!
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Whats up Sayyad, the pickering is doing great at the garden by the way. Hope all is well brother.
I have that community garden in Miramar I told you about and Miramar is an extremely caribbean community so they keep us honest lol.
Guyana Trinidad and Jamaica all have an influx of ancestory from India so a lot of their resources and lingo get mixed up.
I wouldnt doubt the confusion but its one of my projects for this year is to clear that up.
Buxton Spice is Black Spice and Black Spice is whats its called by the people. But there is a much sweeter mango called the Blackie. I have Black Spice and the sap smells bland compared to what this Blackie seedling trees smell like. Theres 3.
The multiple bearing thing is actually something a lot of caribbean varieties do. Remember in the caribbean they actually like the black spots and sap running. They selected seedlings for yield and flavor back then. Aesthetics is a lie to many folks from the caribbean 😏
All in all 2 trees bearing ripe fruit in February is nuts.
But yea definitely not Black Spice. Now I have another guy with the hairy mango which is what I believe many Jamaicans call Blackie because they actually look the same other than the fact that the Hairy Mango is smaller.
So to be clear blackie in Guyana is not the blackie I know from Jamaica?
Sidenote- Miramar resident here, very cool about the community garden I heard about it a few years back but thought it was only about veggies...is that the same City run community garden?
Im working on figuring this all out lol. The number 11 is in the mix too. No its not run by the city. Its a private garden a buddy of mine Hans started and he asked me to join him and since then we've loaded the place up.
We'll be hosting mango tastings and providing space for a small farmers market/festival soon. The goal is community and to raise awareness of the land and bring the city back to the roots. Its tough because its in a rough pocket of Miramar so balancing all the stuff that comes with that and trying to focus on growing for the community is complicated. I've had to scare off bad people and sometimes it becomes a headache but what can you do...
I dont care though because trees have always been bigger than people. Ive met some really good people here like this Guyanese senior citizen and the community needs help. Hans took it to heart and Ive made it my passion to watch over it. Its not easy but the Honeymation Mango seed will be pulled from this ground one day. Honeymations Miramar Community Garden.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Pp808BTr/20200218-233119.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Pp808BTr)
(https://i.postimg.cc/RWgrr7g9/20200219-161251.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RWgrr7g9)
(https://i.postimg.cc/vxFk73Z7/20200222-170534.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vxFk73Z7)
First Honeymation Tree: Super Julie/Orange Sherbet/Wester(EdwardxEarle Carabao)
Neelam & Francique are the only trees fruiting on site this 1st season.
Soon when I get things organized I'll be inviting everyone from here.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MMT3ygwj/IMG-20200220-154244-778.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MMT3ygwj)
Good stuff I had a similar idea here a few years back about an project to introduce the Caribbean varieties to south FL for many of the same reasons, for the diaspora esp the second and third generations to know some of the fruit from their heritage. Keep it up!
Exactly my brother. Israel is all of us.
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Good stuff I had a similar idea here a few years back about an project to introduce the Caribbean varieties to south FL for many of the same reasons, for the diaspora esp the second and third generations to know some of the fruit from their heritage. Keep it up!
Most of the varieties from the Caribbean suck. I hope my children and grandchildren aren't stuck eating that garbage but can instead feast on some of the much better tasting varieties that can be found in South Florida.
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Good stuff I had a similar idea here a few years back about an project to introduce the Caribbean varieties to south FL for many of the same reasons, for the diaspora esp the second and third generations to know some of the fruit from their heritage. Keep it up!
Most of the varieties from the Caribbean suck. I hope my children and grandchildren aren't stuck eating that garbage but can instead feast on some of the much better tasting varieties that can be found in South Florida.
ok
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Looks like next Thursday to Sunday we may get 4 pretty chilly nights esp for late feb/early March ...upper 40s. What are the chances of 3rd bloom a few weeks after the cool stretch?
I'm also on second bloom for my trees like many here, and for one well established NDM tree in particular, I hoping for a 3rd as the first two blooms only covered about a 3rd of the tree.
Decent possibility there will be some bloom response on stems that weren’t aged enough for the first two waves. The more nights under 60F, the more greater the response.
We’re seeing plenty of what you’re describing as well: partial blooms rather than full on some varieties. We’re even seeing vegetative growth on a number of things that took too long to initiate.
Alex what is the reason for partial blooms ? My Maha is doing that .
Thanks Ed
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Looks like next Thursday to Sunday we may get 4 pretty chilly nights esp for late feb/early March ...upper 40s. What are the chances of 3rd bloom a few weeks after the cool stretch?
I'm also on second bloom for my trees like many here, and for one well established NDM tree in particular, I hoping for a 3rd as the first two blooms only covered about a 3rd of the tree.
Decent possibility there will be some bloom response on stems that weren’t aged enough for the first two waves. The more nights under 60F, the more greater the response.
We’re seeing plenty of what you’re describing as well: partial blooms rather than full on some varieties. We’re even seeing vegetative growth on a number of things that took too long to initiate.
Alex what is the reason for partial blooms ? My Maha is doing that .
Thanks Ed
Inadequate cold stimulus from our failing winters.
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Looks like next Thursday to Sunday we may get 4 pretty chilly nights esp for late feb/early March ...upper 40s. What are the chances of 3rd bloom a few weeks after the cool stretch?
I'm also on second bloom for my trees like many here, and for one well established NDM tree in particular, I hoping for a 3rd as the first two blooms only covered about a 3rd of the tree.
Decent possibility there will be some bloom response on stems that weren’t aged enough for the first two waves. The more nights under 60F, the more greater the response.
We’re seeing plenty of what you’re describing as well: partial blooms rather than full on some varieties. We’re even seeing vegetative growth on a number of things that took too long to initiate.
Alex what is the reason for partial blooms ? My Maha is doing that .
Thanks Ed
Inadequate cold stimulus from our failing winters.
Gonna be interesting to see what will come from this upcoming late season genuine cold spell
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I will be spraying sulfur on all my trees tomorrow. Cold weather is ideal for powdery mildew and sulfur keeps that in check.
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Seeing a lot of new blooms driving around s. FL
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2nd bloom in full force
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I picked the last of my early season Rosigolds yesterday and should have a second small crop in a couple months. This is the first year I’ve let it hold fruit and the fruit has ranged from mediocre to pretty good and surprisingly sweet. It reminds me of the little yellow champagne mangos you get at the grocery store but much prettier! So far I’ve been really happy with this tree and since I know the first couple crops can be subpar, I’m really excited to see what this tree can do! Is anyone else picking mangoes or have some ready to pick in the near future?
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I picked the last of my early season Rosigolds yesterday and should have a second small crop in a couple months. This is the first year I’ve let it hold fruit and the fruit has ranged from mediocre to pretty good and surprisingly sweet. It reminds me of the little yellow champagne mangos you get at the grocery store but much prettier! So far I’ve been really happy with this tree and since I know the first couple crops can be subpar, I’m really excited to see what this tree can do! Is anyone else picking mangoes or have some ready to pick in the near future?
Found a couple ripe Edward fruit today:
(https://i.postimg.cc/zHCXftGQ/76-C06-A95-2-B48-4-CCD-9-CCE-9790-B2-DCCB64.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zHCXftGQ)
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I don't like mango very much, but I like dried mango. It's very delicious!
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I don't like mango very much, but I like dried mango. It's very delicious!
Dude, I think this forum is the wrong place for you!
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I picked the last of my early season Rosigolds yesterday and should have a second small crop in a couple months. This is the first year I’ve let it hold fruit and the fruit has ranged from mediocre to pretty good and surprisingly sweet. It reminds me of the little yellow champagne mangos you get at the grocery store but much prettier! So far I’ve been really happy with this tree and since I know the first couple crops can be subpar, I’m really excited to see what this tree can do! Is anyone else picking mangoes or have some ready to pick in the near future?
Found a couple ripe Edward fruit today:
wonder what these would go for on auction right now? lol! have been waiting over 6 months for decent mangoes...
(https://i.postimg.cc/zHCXftGQ/76-C06-A95-2-B48-4-CCD-9-CCE-9790-B2-DCCB64.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zHCXftGQ)
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Picked ripe beverly ,late is early?1.6 lbs
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Crazy year, you guys are picking mangos while I'm getting a partial 3rd bloom on my some of my trees
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Crazy year, you guys are picking mangos while I'm getting a partial 3rd bloom on my some of my trees
Seeing this too, on White Piri, Sugarloaf, O-15, M-4, Dwarf Hawaiian, Dot And several others. Wouldn’t call it huge but it’s certainly better than nothing.
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Crazy year, you guys are picking mangos while I'm getting a partial 3rd bloom on my some of my trees
Seeing this too, on White Piri, Sugarloaf, O-15, M-4, Dwarf Hawaiian, Dot And several others. Wouldn’t call it huge but it’s certainly better than nothing.
The second bloom was great but I'm hardly getting any fruit set off it.
Makes spraying hard when you have some fruitlets and new flowers on the same tree
I wonder if rapid changes in temp changes affect the male/female ratio
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Has not been a great bloom overall , yes second bloom but not great.White piri not very good year.
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Has not been a great bloom overall , yes second bloom but not great.White piri not very good year.
That’s unfortunate. Here’s our White Piri set on second bloom:
(https://i.postimg.cc/pyx1g5Mc/6-E1097-C1-1-AD0-43-DB-98-EB-12-A23-F3-B6817.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pyx1g5Mc)
(https://i.postimg.cc/kD1Ff2Jb/3053-A223-51-DF-4-DD6-A06-A-E43620611-E50.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kD1Ff2Jb)
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Seeing this too, on O-15,
I could not find a description of O-15 taste. What mango does it taste like or between what two mango variety tastes ?
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Seeing this too, on O-15,
I could not find a description of O-15 taste. What mango does it taste like or between what two mango variety tastes ?
https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/product-page/zill-o-15 (https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/product-page/zill-o-15)
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It seems watering during flowering and fruitset is key for a great crop.
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It seems watering during flowering and fruitset is key for a great crop.
For us organic matter and our soils health is key to a great crop as we do not water. A whole lot of fruit set from first bloom, lots of fruitlets set from 2nd bloom and 3rd bloom starting now on some trees.
(https://i.postimg.cc/1VhXBLW4/EF12-ECC1-6-AC1-4-F43-9-A8-C-29-D99-D50-D419.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1VhXBLW4)
Pickering
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It seems watering during flowering and fruitset is key for a great crop.
For us organic matter and our soils health is key to a great crop as we do not water. A whole lot of fruit set from first bloom, lots of fruitlets set from 2nd bloom and 3rd bloom starting now on some trees.
(https://i.postimg.cc/1VhXBLW4/EF12-ECC1-6-AC1-4-F43-9-A8-C-29-D99-D50-D419.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1VhXBLW4)
Pickering
Nice little Pickering. How tall and how old?
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For us organic matter and our soils health is key to a great crop as we do not water. A whole lot of fruit set from first bloom, lots of fruitlets set from 2nd bloom and 3rd bloom starting now on some trees.
(https://i.postimg.cc/1VhXBLW4/EF12-ECC1-6-AC1-4-F43-9-A8-C-29-D99-D50-D419.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1VhXBLW4)
Pickering
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I think you have the right approach to build the soil, and i agree with allowing the grass long too but I think for those who have bare ground or short cut grass around their mangoes here in Florida would see benefits in additional watering during flowering and fruitset.
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I’m all for watering as needed but with Mangos at our place it is not needed. Grafted Black Sapote and grafted Sapodilla are a different story unless the soil is perfect, which on a larger scale takes time. Seed grown trees of BS and Sapodilla don’t require watering, for this reason we are growing replacements for BS and Sapodillas out now. We plan on not selling our Mango fruit for the next 2 years and we are planting out all our Mango fruit seeds. A major difference between organic and those using chemical fertilizers is you have to water if you use chemicals, whereas if you are organic watering isn’t always required especially for Mangos here. Grafted trees just don’t have the vigor of seed grown trees.
The Pickering is a 5x5 mound in ground two years never been watered.
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Watering is always required if one wants the trees to uptake nutrients (it's the action of the water evaporating through the leaves that pulls nutrients up). In times of drought, water is going to be absorbed from deeper portions of the soil, which is typically less nutrient dense. Also, conventional fertilizers come in slow release form, which would act similarly to organic.
Water isn't required for mangoes (here in FL) if one is only interested in keeping the trees alive. For bountiful crops of quality fruit, moist soil is important. In places where rainfall isn't as plentiful as FL, only the most drought tolerant species will survive without supplemental irrigation (eg, eucalyptus).
In life, optimal outcome is generally achieved via finding a "sweet spot" or middle ground between two extremes. A mix of organic and conventional practices works very well. The extent to which one can move to one side or another of the spectrum depends heavily upon what natural amenities the growing location provides (eg, natural soil quality, rainfall, temperatures, disease pressure, wind, etc).
I’m all for watering as needed but with Mangos at our place it is not needed. Grafted Black Sapote and grafted Sapodilla are a different story unless the soil is perfect, which on a larger scale takes time. Seed grown trees of BS and Sapodilla don’t require watering, for this reason we are growing replacements for BS and Sapodillas out now. We plan on not selling our Mango fruit for the next 2 years and we are planting out all our Mango fruit seeds. A major difference between organic and those using chemical fertilizers is you have to water if you use chemicals, whereas if you are organic watering isn’t always required especially for Mangos here. Grafted trees just don’t have the vigor of seed grown trees.
The Pickering is a 5x5 mound in ground two years never been watered.
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Harvested the first regular season Rosigold today. Close to 10 days later than normal:
(https://i.postimg.cc/CB5RBPv1/BB81-FA37-0-AF6-4-ABC-8250-A093-EB83-CBC7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CB5RBPv1)
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Watering is always required if one wants the trees to uptake nutrients (it's the action of the water evaporating through the leaves that pulls nutrients up). In times of drought, water is going to be absorbed from deeper portions of the soil, which is typically less nutrient dense. Also, conventional fertilizers come in slow release form, which would act similarly to organic.
Water isn't required for mangoes (here in FL) if one is only interested in keeping the trees alive. For bountiful crops of quality fruit, moist soil is important. In places where rainfall isn't as plentiful as FL, only the most drought tolerant species will survive without supplemental irrigation (eg, eucalyptus).
In life, optimal outcome is generally achieved via finding a "sweet spot" or middle ground between two extremes. A mix of organic and conventional practices works very well. The extent to which one can move to one side or another of the spectrum depends heavily upon what natural amenities the growing location provides (eg, natural soil quality, rainfall, temperatures, disease pressure, wind, etc).
I’m all for watering as needed but with Mangos at our place it is not needed. Grafted Black Sapote and grafted Sapodilla are a different story unless the soil is perfect, which on a larger scale takes time. Seed grown trees of BS and Sapodilla don’t require watering, for this reason we are growing replacements for BS and Sapodillas out now. We plan on not selling our Mango fruit for the next 2 years and we are planting out all our Mango fruit seeds. A major difference between organic and those using chemical fertilizers is you have to water if you use chemicals, whereas if you are organic watering isn’t always required especially for Mangos here. Grafted trees just don’t have the vigor of seed grown trees.
The Pickering is a 5x5 mound in ground two years never been watered.
Okay Jeff. I know from previous experience regarding watering that we are not supposed to disagree with you or risk harassment and being run off this site, I have no problem with leaving here.. ’This place has been a valuable source of ideas for many. Since before I came along there was no information for Organic Growers. According to you, your way is the only way to grow Mangos if you want fruit. Funny how we can grow over 300 great disease free Mango trees that produce bountiful healthy fruit without ever being watered. Disease free fruit is something you admittedly have been unable to accomplish without spraying toxic fungicides. Unlike you, our fruit from the first bloom did not drop and we do not spray fungicides or water. I know of plenty of other growers in Florida who produce plentiful mango fruit without ever watering their trees. We have different philosophies and management styles. Sorry but using slow release fertilizer is not “similar to organic. “ All the other crap and misinformation I consistently read on here from all of the “mango experts” like yourself and a couple others, “don’t use compost”, “you must water your trees to produce fruit” “spray fungicides” every other week, is mostly a bunch of misinformation that can be found on the back of any fertilizer bag for backyard growers seeking knowledge. We make biodynamic compost and start our Mango seeds in 100% pure compost without any problems. Our Mangos that have been given the most compost do the best and produce by far the most fruit. We use compost on our Mangos and they love it no disease no problems. We don’t have fungal issues and we do not spray. We do not water Mangos and we have a whole lot of fruit. Dry farmed fruit is more flavorful and can demand a higher price. Thankfully we know what we are doing therefore we don’t farm like you, this works for us, Florida’s waterways and our Mangos. Do what makes you and your trees happy, water if you want. Don’t kill frogs, don’t pollute your neighbors. :-)🐸
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Funny how we can grow over 300 great disease free Mango trees that produce bountiful healthy fruit without ever being watered.
Do you have pics of the varieties besides that Pickering?
I used to grow mangos in Loxahatchee Groves and Pickering was one of the few that would fruit no matter what. Particularly as the trees gained canopy and humidity levels increased.
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I’m all for watering as needed but with Mangos at our place it is not needed. Grafted Black Sapote and grafted Sapodilla are a different story unless the soil is perfect, which on a larger scale takes time. Seed grown trees of BS and Sapodilla don’t require watering, for this reason we are growing replacements for BS and Sapodillas out now. We plan on not selling our Mango fruit for the next 2 years and we are planting out all our Mango fruit seeds. A major difference between organic and those using chemical fertilizers is you have to water if you use chemicals, whereas if you are organic watering isn’t always required especially for Mangos here. Grafted trees just don’t have the vigor of seed grown trees.
The Pickering is a 5x5 mound in ground two years never been watered.
I hope you know that most mango varieties don't come true to type from seed. As for the Pickering, I'd expect a tree that has been in the ground for two years to be bigger than that, even if it is a Pickering.
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That came out of left field... a little ad hominem to spice things up here?
Watering is always required if one wants the trees to uptake nutrients (it's the action of the water evaporating through the leaves that pulls nutrients up). In times of drought, water is going to be absorbed from deeper portions of the soil, which is typically less nutrient dense. Also, conventional fertilizers come in slow release form, which would act similarly to organic.
Water isn't required for mangoes (here in FL) if one is only interested in keeping the trees alive. For bountiful crops of quality fruit, moist soil is important. In places where rainfall isn't as plentiful as FL, only the most drought tolerant species will survive without supplemental irrigation (eg, eucalyptus).
In life, optimal outcome is generally achieved via finding a "sweet spot" or middle ground between two extremes. A mix of organic and conventional practices works very well. The extent to which one can move to one side or another of the spectrum depends heavily upon what natural amenities the growing location provides (eg, natural soil quality, rainfall, temperatures, disease pressure, wind, etc).
I’m all for watering as needed but with Mangos at our place it is not needed. Grafted Black Sapote and grafted Sapodilla are a different story unless the soil is perfect, which on a larger scale takes time. Seed grown trees of BS and Sapodilla don’t require watering, for this reason we are growing replacements for BS and Sapodillas out now. We plan on not selling our Mango fruit for the next 2 years and we are planting out all our Mango fruit seeds. A major difference between organic and those using chemical fertilizers is you have to water if you use chemicals, whereas if you are organic watering isn’t always required especially for Mangos here. Grafted trees just don’t have the vigor of seed grown trees.
The Pickering is a 5x5 mound in ground two years never been watered.
Okay Jeff. I know from previous experience regarding watering that we are not supposed to disagree with you or risk harassment and being run off this site, I have no problem with leaving here.. ’This place has been a valuable source of ideas for many. Since before I came along there was no information for Organic Growers. According to you, your way is the only way to grow Mangos if you want fruit. Funny how we can grow over 300 great disease free Mango trees that produce bountiful healthy fruit without ever being watered. Disease free fruit is something you admittedly have been unable to accomplish without spraying toxic fungicides. Unlike you, our fruit from the first bloom did not drop and we do not spray fungicides or water. I know of plenty of other growers in Florida who produce plentiful mango fruit without ever watering their trees. We have different philosophies and management styles. Sorry but using slow release fertilizer is not “similar to organic. “ All the other crap and misinformation I consistently read on here from all of the “mango experts” like yourself and a couple others, “don’t use compost”, “you must water your trees to produce fruit” “spray fungicides” every other week, is mostly a bunch of misinformation that can be found on the back of any fertilizer bag for backyard growers seeking knowledge. We make biodynamic compost and start our Mango seeds in 100% pure compost without any problems. Our Mangos that have been given the most compost do the best and produce by far the most fruit. We use compost on our Mangos and they love it no disease no problems. We don’t have fungal issues and we do not spray. We do not water Mangos and we have a whole lot of fruit. Dry farmed fruit is more flavorful and can demand a higher price. Thankfully we know what we are doing therefore we don’t farm like you, this works for us, Florida’s waterways and our Mangos. Do what makes you and your trees happy, water if you want. Don’t kill frogs, don’t pollute your neighbors. :-)🐸
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Well, everyone's background, education, knowledge, location, and experience are different. I love the idea of all-natural where the soil is nourished above all else (God knows we've lost too much precious topsoil in this country and around the world!), but I'm not sure everyone can pull it off, especially growing fruit trees on a small lot in the middle of the city. I've met Jeff. He's an okay person. I can't imagine him harassing anyone.
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Lemon Meringue looking decent:
(https://i.postimg.cc/CZ2tj5zW/5-F2-B30-CD-B652-4-D45-9942-32-B64648590-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CZ2tj5zW)
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Lemon Meringue looking decent:
(https://i.postimg.cc/CZ2tj5zW/5-F2-B30-CD-B652-4-D45-9942-32-B64648590-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CZ2tj5zW)
Looking really nice!
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What variety is this?
(https://i.postimg.cc/NKKMcgKp/20200327-183512.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NKKMcgKp)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Lqf8JNBP/20200327-184058.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Lqf8JNBP)
(https://i.postimg.cc/34TJmmnc/20200327-184236.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/34TJmmnc)
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Well i am just a newbie, compared to you all who’ve been growing fruit trees here in South FL for 15-20 years. My experience of growing them in southeast Nepal with similar climate but with no fertilizers except home cow’s dried manure does not count because everything is different here and i have to begin learning from the kindergarten level again. I really appreciate this forum, reading all the experiences and opinions in detail, very helpful stuff. My garden is in 10b, 3 miles from the ocean closest beach is sunny isles, it’s 3 yrs old and most mango trees bought as 3 gallon from Zills are 5-6 ft tall now. They are all mulched 6-8 inch and except for the first month after transplant they were never watered. Last year i was not worried about lack of flowering because i thought it’s good as they need to establish. This year the only trees that have substantial flowering are Carrie and Glenn, about 1/2 of tree flowered and the fruit set also is satisfactory. There might be other factors for not flowering but i am guessing could it be no watering? Also i have not sprayed them with copper, i saw some anthracnose on some leaves but the problem resolved itself. I am leaving them as is without spraying copper/sulphur and irrigation and see. All i have done is mulch the whole garden but i may need to do more to make the trees flower eventually. Neighbor’s trees that are 20-25 ft tall flower profusely and fruit consistently every year with no mulch, no fertilizer no watering. They are tommy atkins, they leave the fruit for us when they fly up north every summer, and their fruits ripened in our garage were more delicious than all mangoes i tried at the saturday mangoes sale up in Delray beach.
I keep on asking myself, are we compromising the health of a tree by focusing on fruit production as sole objective of the tree? Is the tree’s immunity and strength not our focus? Do we think constant treatement with copper/sulphur and pesticides send a signal to the tree to not invoke its immunity? Am i giving too much human quality to the tree and should treat the tree as just a tree, a lower intelligence life form at mercy of humans to be saved from pests to continue its existence and generation? For example, if aliens existed and wanted human race to work as slaves and humans to grow in numbers they would focus on fertility but is increase in fertility in humans a sign of health, or is it good immunity?. I see same happen with cattle industry here but growing up back in my village, our cow was our family member and we focused on her health and not milk production as we knew her milk is only as nutritious as the nutrition we give to her. I know i am going off the topic, just musing, there is nothing else to do, lockdown, no job, just go around the garden and check on the trees :) . I would not plant 30 mango varieties just for shade or for look of healthy leaves, i love mangoes, more than any other fruits or food in the world. I am all for experimentation, i will not ridicule the Frog farm member who is giving a different perspective to and i won’t step on the foot of some gods of mango growers who have seen it all for the last 20 yrs of growing, i learn a lot from you all. Keeping an open mind, thats all.
Be safe!
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What variety is this?
(https://i.postimg.cc/NKKMcgKp/20200327-183512.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NKKMcgKp)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Lqf8JNBP/20200327-184058.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Lqf8JNBP)
(https://i.postimg.cc/34TJmmnc/20200327-184236.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/34TJmmnc)
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OK. You lost me somewhere around the part about the aliens.
Well i am just a newbie, compared to you all who’ve been growing fruit trees here in South FL for 15-20 years. My experience of growing them in southeast Nepal with similar climate but with no fertilizers except home cow’s dried manure does not count because everything is different here and i have to begin learning from the kindergarten level again. I really appreciate this forum, reading all the experiences and opinions in detail, very helpful stuff. My garden is in 10b, 3 miles from the ocean closest beach is sunny isles, it’s 3 yrs old and most mango trees bought as 3 gallon from Zills are 5-6 ft tall now. They are all mulched 6-8 inch and except for the first month after transplant they were never watered. Last year i was not worried about lack of flowering because i thought it’s good as they need to establish. This year the only trees that have substantial flowering are Carrie and Glenn, about 1/2 of tree flowered and the fruit set also is satisfactory. There might be other factors for not flowering but i am guessing could it be no watering? Also i have not sprayed them with copper, i saw some anthracnose on some leaves but the problem resolved itself. I am leaving them as is without spraying copper/sulphur and irrigation and see. All i have done is mulch the whole garden but i may need to do more to make the trees flower eventually. Neighbor’s trees that are 20-25 ft tall flower profusely and fruit consistently every year with no mulch, no fertilizer no watering. They are tommy atkins, they leave the fruit for us when they fly up north every summer, and their fruits ripened in our garage were more delicious than all mangoes i tried at the saturday mangoes sale up in Delray beach.
I keep on asking myself, are we compromising the health of a tree by focusing on fruit production as sole objective of the tree? Is the tree’s immunity and strength not our focus? Do we think constant treatement with copper/sulphur and pesticides send a signal to the tree to not invoke its immunity? Am i giving too much human quality to the tree and should treat the tree as just a tree, a lower intelligence life form at mercy of humans to be saved from pests to continue its existence and generation? For example, if aliens existed and wanted human race to work as slaves and humans to grow in numbers they would focus on fertility but is increase in fertility in humans a sign of health, or is it good immunity?. I see same happen with cattle industry here but growing up back in my village, our cow was our family member and we focused on her health and not milk production as we knew her milk is only as nutritious as the nutrition we give to her. I know i am going off the topic, just musing, there is nothing else to do, lockdown, no job, just go around the garden and check on the trees :) . I would not plant 30 mango varieties just for shade or for look of healthy leaves, i love mangoes, more than any other fruits or food in the world. I am all for experimentation, i will not ridicule the Frog farm member who is giving a different perspective to and i won’t step on the foot of some gods of mango growers who have seen it all for the last 20 yrs of growing, i learn a lot from you all. Keeping an open mind, thats all.
Be safe!
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My garden is in 10b, 3 miles from the ocean closest beach is sunny isles, it’s 3 yrs old and most mango trees bought as 3 gallon from Zills are 5-6 ft tall now. They are all mulched 6-8 inch
1.There might be other factors for not flowering but i am guessing could it be no watering?
2. I keep on asking myself, are we compromising the health of a tree by focusing on fruit production as sole objective of the tree?
3. Is the tree’s immunity and strength not our focus?
4. Do we think constant treatement with copper/sulphur and pesticides send a signal to the tree to not invoke its immunity?
5.Am i giving too much human quality to the tree and should treat the tree as just a tree, a lower intelligence life form at mercy of humans to be saved from pests to continue its existence and generation?
6.For example, if aliens existed and wanted human race to work as slaves and humans to grow in numbers they would focus on fertility but is increase in fertility in humans a sign of health, or is it good immunity?.
*I see same happen with cattle industry here but growing up back in my village, our cow was our family member and we focused on her health and not milk production as we knew her milk is only as nutritious as the nutrition we give to her.
#I know i am going off the topic, just musing, there is nothing else to do, lockdown, no job, just go around the garden and check on the trees :) .
##I would not plant 30 mango varieties just for shade or for look of healthy leaves, i love mangoes, more than any other fruits or food in the world.
### I am all for experimentation, i will not ridicule the Frog farm member who is giving a different perspective
1.Yes
2.Hope your not
3. You listed 2 of many qualities needed to focus on.
4. I don't.
5. Yes
6. Neither
* A lot of families have a cow for a member
# Yep
## Sounds right.
### ok
;D ;)
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Jeff, thanks for reading..the fact that you read all the way and reached the aliens is actually not a loss 😉😊.
OK. You lost me somewhere around the part about the aliens.
Well i am just a newbie, compared to you all who’ve been growing fruit trees here in South FL for 15-20 years. My experience of growing them in southeast Nepal with similar climate but with no fertilizers except home cow’s dried manure does not count because everything is different here and i have to begin learning from the kindergarten level again. I really appreciate this forum, reading all the experiences and opinions in detail, very helpful stuff. My garden is in 10b, 3 miles from the ocean closest beach is sunny isles, it’s 3 yrs old and most mango trees bought as 3 gallon from Zills are 5-6 ft tall now. They are all mulched 6-8 inch and except for the first month after transplant they were never watered. Last year i was not worried about lack of flowering because i thought it’s good as they need to establish. This year the only trees that have substantial flowering are Carrie and Glenn, about 1/2 of tree flowered and the fruit set also is satisfactory. There might be other factors for not flowering but i am guessing could it be no watering? Also i have not sprayed them with copper, i saw some anthracnose on some leaves but the problem resolved itself. I am leaving them as is without spraying copper/sulphur and irrigation and see. All i have done is mulch the whole garden but i may need to do more to make the trees flower eventually. Neighbor’s trees that are 20-25 ft tall flower profusely and fruit consistently every year with no mulch, no fertilizer no watering. They are tommy atkins, they leave the fruit for us when they fly up north every summer, and their fruits ripened in our garage were more delicious than all mangoes i tried at the saturday mangoes sale up in Delray beach.
I keep on asking myself, are we compromising the health of a tree by focusing on fruit production as sole objective of the tree? Is the tree’s immunity and strength not our focus? Do we think constant treatement with copper/sulphur and pesticides send a signal to the tree to not invoke its immunity? Am i giving too much human quality to the tree and should treat the tree as just a tree, a lower intelligence life form at mercy of humans to be saved from pests to continue its existence and generation? For example, if aliens existed and wanted human race to work as slaves and humans to grow in numbers they would focus on fertility but is increase in fertility in humans a sign of health, or is it good immunity?. I see same happen with cattle industry here but growing up back in my village, our cow was our family member and we focused on her health and not milk production as we knew her milk is only as nutritious as the nutrition we give to her. I know i am going off the topic, just musing, there is nothing else to do, lockdown, no job, just go around the garden and check on the trees :) . I would not plant 30 mango varieties just for shade or for look of healthy leaves, i love mangoes, more than any other fruits or food in the world. I am all for experimentation, i will not ridicule the Frog farm member who is giving a different perspective to and i won’t step on the foot of some gods of mango growers who have seen it all for the last 20 yrs of growing, i learn a lot from you all. Keeping an open mind, thats all.
Be safe!
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Hi palmcity, thanks for reading through and breaking down my loong post into the questions/answers, it cuts all the crap and makes it objective, binary and scientifically arguable. I respect your opinion, these did sound philosophical questions of gardening for gardeners but they are not, it’s our daily life with our fruit trees and we choose how to live with them based on our knowledge and experience with them... during these difficult times when i am hearing about doctors having a difficult time, asked to make hard decision of choosing who to sacrifice a ventilator from, based on age or morbidity of a certain patient, given the shortage of ventilators...i know it sounds gross but it is the truth and they will choose who’s more productive for the society and who has more chances of survival on simple triage.., i guess we also make similar choices with the plants, given our difficult climate, the soil, the plant diseases and pests, things are not ideal and we make modifications in how we grow plants/fruit trees based on our situation, for me fortunately there is time and with time there is possibility of learning and unlearning through trial and error with controlled irrigation/fungicides/ artificial fertilizers etc...i thank you for participating in this discussion.
My garden is in 10b, 3 miles from the ocean closest beach is sunny isles, it’s 3 yrs old and most mango trees bought as 3 gallon from Zills are 5-6 ft tall now. They are all mulched 6-8 inch
1.There might be other factors for not flowering but i am guessing could it be no watering?
2. I keep on asking myself, are we compromising the health of a tree by focusing on fruit production as sole objective of the tree?
3. Is the tree’s immunity and strength not our focus?
4. Do we think constant treatement with copper/sulphur and pesticides send a signal to the tree to not invoke its immunity?
5.Am i giving too much human quality to the tree and should treat the tree as just a tree, a lower intelligence life form at mercy of humans to be saved from pests to continue its existence and generation?
6.For example, if aliens existed and wanted human race to work as slaves and humans to grow in numbers they would focus on fertility but is increase in fertility in humans a sign of health, or is it good immunity?.
*I see same happen with cattle industry here but growing up back in my village, our cow was our family member and we focused on her health and not milk production as we knew her milk is only as nutritious as the nutrition we give to her.
#I know i am going off the topic, just musing, there is nothing else to do, lockdown, no job, just go around the garden and check on the trees :) .
##I would not plant 30 mango varieties just for shade or for look of healthy leaves, i love mangoes, more than any other fruits or food in the world.
### I am all for experimentation, i will not ridicule the Frog farm member who is giving a different perspective
1.Yes
2.Hope your not
3. You listed 2 of many qualities needed to focus on.
4. I don't.
5. Yes
6. Neither
* A lot of families have a cow for a member
# Yep
## Sounds right.
### ok
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Well, everyone's background, education, knowledge, location, and experience are different. I love the idea of all-natural where the soil is nourished above all else (God knows we've lost too much precious topsoil in this country and around the world!), but I'm not sure everyone can pull it off, especially growing fruit trees on a small lot in the middle of the city. I've met Jeff. He's an okay person. I can't imagine him harassing anyone.
If any other random member here gave feedback completely discounting my truth it may not be considered harassment but since Jeff is an administrator his posts pack more of a punch and I feel harassed. Most Florida residents know of prolifically fruiting healthy Mango tree that is not getting additional water it makes his statement laughable. Constant promotion of chemicals use by many of the onsite Mango experts of what amounts to pollution that kills life pollutes waterways, produces toxic unhealthy foods and happily encourages others in mass to do the same earth destroying practice of chemical pollution is not a very admirable quality. He is an expert at growing Mangos on a double city lot with chemical pollutants, not organically and obviously has a very limited understanding of how natural systems work, definitely should not speak for any organic Mango growers and others who care for Florida and its future.
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Jeff, thanks for reading..the fact that you read all the way and reached the aliens is actually not a loss 😉😊.
OK. You lost me somewhere around the part about the aliens.
Well i am just a newbie, compared to you all who’ve been growing fruit trees here in South FL for 15-20 years. My experience of growing them in southeast Nepal with similar climate but with no fertilizers except home cow’s dried manure does not count because everything is different here and i have to begin learning from the kindergarten level again. I really appreciate this forum, reading all the experiences and opinions in detail, very helpful stuff. My garden is in 10b, 3 miles from the ocean closest beach is sunny isles, it’s 3 yrs old and most mango trees bought as 3 gallon from Zills are 5-6 ft tall now. They are all mulched 6-8 inch and except for the first month after transplant they were never watered. Last year i was not worried about lack of flowering because i thought it’s good as they need to establish. This year the only trees that have substantial flowering are Carrie and Glenn, about 1/2 of tree flowered and the fruit set also is satisfactory. There might be other factors for not flowering but i am guessing could it be no watering? Also i have not sprayed them with copper, i saw some anthracnose on some leaves but the problem resolved itself. I am leaving them as is without spraying copper/sulphur and irrigation and see. All i have done is mulch the whole garden but i may need to do more to make the trees flower eventually. Neighbor’s trees that are 20-25 ft tall flower profusely and fruit consistently every year with no mulch, no fertilizer no watering. They are tommy atkins, they leave the fruit for us when they fly up north every summer, and their fruits ripened in our garage were more delicious than all mangoes i tried at the saturday mangoes sale up in Delray beach.
I keep on asking myself, are we compromising the health of a tree by focusing on fruit production as sole objective of the tree? Is the tree’s immunity and strength not our focus? Do we think constant treatement with copper/sulphur and pesticides send a signal to the tree to not invoke its immunity? Am i giving too much human quality to the tree and should treat the tree as just a tree, a lower intelligence life form at mercy of humans to be saved from pests to continue its existence and generation? For example, if aliens existed and wanted human race to work as slaves and humans to grow in numbers they would focus on fertility but is increase in fertility in humans a sign of health, or is it good immunity?. I see same happen with cattle industry here but growing up back in my village, our cow was our family member and we focused on her health and not milk production as we knew her milk is only as nutritious as the nutrition we give to her. I know i am going off the topic, just musing, there is nothing else to do, lockdown, no job, just go around the garden and check on the trees :) . I would not plant 30 mango varieties just for shade or for look of healthy leaves, i love mangoes, more than any other fruits or food in the world. I am all for experimentation, i will not ridicule the Frog farm member who is giving a different perspective to and i won’t step on the foot of some gods of mango growers who have seen it all for the last 20 yrs of growing, i learn a lot from you all. Keeping an open mind, thats all.
Be safe!
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Hey Frog -- sorry I don't know your real name -- we welcome your thoughts to the discussion, and I understand that sometimes disagreements invoke emotion. But I suggest defending or contradicting based on addressing the points of the argument rather than appealing to ad hominem and attacking the author with disparaging commentary -- which feels a bit like harassment.
Well, everyone's background, education, knowledge, location, and experience are different. I love the idea of all-natural where the soil is nourished above all else (God knows we've lost too much precious topsoil in this country and around the world!), but I'm not sure everyone can pull it off, especially growing fruit trees on a small lot in the middle of the city. I've met Jeff. He's an okay person. I can't imagine him harassing anyone.
If any other random member here gave feedback completely discounting my truth it may not be considered harassment but since Jeff is an administrator his posts pack more of a punch and I feel harassed. Most Florida residents know of prolifically fruiting healthy Mango tree that is not getting additional water it makes his statement laughable. Constant promotion of chemicals use by many of the onsite Mango experts of what amounts to pollution that kills life pollutes waterways, produces toxic unhealthy foods and happily encourages others in mass to do the same earth destroying practice of chemical pollution is not a very admirable quality. He is an expert at growing Mangos on a double city lot with chemical pollutants, not organically and obviously has a very limited understanding of how natural systems work, definitely should not speak for any organic Mango growers and others who care for Florida and its future.
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Well, everyone's background, education, knowledge, location, and experience are different. I love the idea of all-natural where the soil is nourished above all else (God knows we've lost too much precious topsoil in this country and around the world!), but I'm not sure everyone can pull it off, especially growing fruit trees on a small lot in the middle of the city. I've met Jeff. He's an okay person. I can't imagine him harassing anyone.
If any other random member here gave feedback completely discounting my truth it may not be considered harassment but since Jeff is an administrator his posts pack more of a punch and I feel harassed. Most Florida residents know of prolifically fruiting healthy Mango tree that is not getting additional water it makes his statement laughable. Constant promotion of chemicals use by many of the onsite Mango experts of what amounts to pollution that kills life pollutes waterways, produces toxic unhealthy foods and happily encourages others in mass to do the same earth destroying practice of chemical pollution is not a very admirable quality. He is an expert at growing Mangos on a double city lot with chemical pollutants, not organically and obviously has a very limited understanding of how natural systems work, definitely should not speak for any organic Mango growers and others who care for Florida and its future.
I have known Jeff for years and he is not one to harass anyone. Besides, he is also one of the most knowledgeable members on the forum. There is nothing in his posts that can be considered harassment. His posts pack a punch not because he is an administrator but because he knows what he is doing.
By disparaging him as an "expert at growing Mangos on a double city lot with chemical pollutants, not organically and obviously has a very limited understanding of how natural systems work," you are just inviting ridicule.
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everyone needs to chill and get back on topic.
I love Froggie and Cookie and their perspectives and base of knowledge. They come from different angles, which is great. Of course they are not going to agree, and feelings can get involved. No big deal.
This forum will be much less without either.
...mangoes are looking so sweet. sleeping under my Glenn till they are ripe
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Mangoes starting to size up here(Golden Nugget)
Definitely feeling like spring in Fla
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I get where Frog's frustration probably stems from... us natural guys constantly getting the "you can't grow anything without the use of poisons, due to so and so..." speeches from those who aren't willing to go the extra mile to maintain the ultimate integrity of food and acting like you doing so is impossible because they can't manage it is tired and condescending.
Just because "Mr. Conventional" has to spray a 55 Gallon drum of Roundup a week on every individual vegetable or tree they grow doesn't mean they need to puff their chests up and tell you that you better learn to enjoy poisonous taste of Glyphosate because it's so good for you and you need it while taking in your chemical free collection telling you that it cannot be done in that manner...
Nobody enjoys getting pissed on like that and those kind of people always are the rudest most stubborn people when you mention it can be done naturally like nature has for millions of years before the industrialization of the world happened. They try to shut your truth down immediately and I take joy in watching them writhe in the light of truth when their brains start comprehending they may be ousted.
That rant being ranted, I don't see Jeff as trying to pee on anyone's rainbow, just stating what has worked best and most optimally in his experiences.
Point being, we all can learn a lot from others experiences no matter what methods are used as long as we can just listen and keep an open mind to what others are saying. Agree or disagree, everybody should have a platform to express their thoughts!
Looking forward to scarfing down as many varieties of mangoes as possible this year! I want to be so lucky as to taste the M-4 this time ;)
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A couple of my trees are just now starting they're second bloom!
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Second bloom was better for me than the first, not necessarily in number of blooms but fruit set.
I still have a couple (2 trees) flushing flowers after so many really warm days and no rain in what looks like forever.
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:D Yah, I certainly don't have anything against organic growing. I was actually an organic grower for roughly a decade. And I actually followed a similar path: attempting to solve my problems with soil. In the end, I spread a grand total of around 1,000 cubic yards of tree trimmer mulch over about 12,000 sq feet of land through a 10 year time span. If you do the math, that's roughly 4 feet of mulch across a quarter acre of land -- a lot! After decomp, it turned into maybe 8 inches of beautiful black, wormy compost whose microorganisms thrive when kept moist.
Today, I grow about 80 fruit trees on a little over 1/2 acre of land on an urban double lot, and it's been a 14 year journey of experimentation with a decent bit of success thanks to the smart folks on this forum and the help of Har M, who guided me through the process of discovering what works best for my particular area.
You have raised a good point regarding the personalities involved in what amounts to a religious battle between proselytists on both sides of the debate. But sometimes I feel as if the organic proponents convert it into some sort of moral judgment, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense given the context.
A number of posters point to the argument of nature being able to take care of itself. But we forget a key point: we're not dealing with what nature gave us. For one, we've selected fruit trees based upon characteristics that nature doesn't care about: flavor, texture, brix, color, production, etc. Secondly, we've removed the trees from their native environment. Though our Floridian climate loosely resembles that of native mango regions, there are still myriad differences: humidity, soil, etc.
Moreover, just because organisms survive in a particular unmodified environment doesn't necessarily mean that we can't apply technology to make things better. For example, humans have adapted quite well to extreme heat, and I'm sure that humans have lived in hot and humid conditions for millenia. However, I'm hard pressed to find even the most staunch organic advocate who doesn't use air conditioning in their home during the Florida summer. And I don't believe organic growing really precludes supplemental irrigation during times of drought (haven't farmers used this for hundreds, perhaps thousands, of years?).
Today, I follow a modified regimen that uses organic practices where it makes sense and conventional when not. For example, I use a mix of OMRI listed and EPA Reduced Risk fungicides. For pest control, I exclusively use OMRI listed products, as they are sufficient to control insect problems and have least environmental impact. Given that organic fertilizer is hard to obtain here (and that organic micronutrient products often come from ancient sea beds -- a limited resource), I favor conventional fertilizer. And I provide supplemental irrigation in times of drought. I suggest doing whatever makes the most sense for one's particular needs and growing environment, within the bounds of EPA regs of course.
I get where Frog's frustration probably stems from... us natural guys constantly getting the "you can't grow anything without the use of poisons, due to so and so..." speeches from those who aren't willing to go the extra mile to maintain the ultimate integrity of food and acting like you doing so is impossible because they can't manage it is tired and condescending.
Just because "Mr. Conventional" has to spray a 55 Gallon drum of Roundup a week on every individual vegetable or tree they grow doesn't mean they need to puff their chests up and tell you that you better learn to enjoy poisonous taste of Glyphosate because it's so good for you and you need it while taking in your chemical free collection telling you that it cannot be done in that manner...
Nobody enjoys getting pissed on like that and those kind of people always are the rudest most stubborn people when you mention it can be done naturally like nature has for millions of years before the industrialization of the world happened. They try to shut your truth down immediately and I take joy in watching them writhe in the light of truth when their brains start comprehending they may be ousted.
That rant being ranted, I don't see Jeff as trying to pee on anyone's rainbow, just stating what has worked best and most optimally in his experiences.
Point being, we all can learn a lot from others experiences no matter what methods are used as long as we can just listen and keep an open mind to what others are saying. Agree or disagree, everybody should have a platform to express their thoughts!
Looking forward to scarfing down as many varieties of mangoes as possible this year! I want to be so lucky as to taste the M-4 this time ;)
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:D Yah, I certainly don't have anything against organic growing. I was actually an organic grower for roughly a decade. And I actually followed a similar path: attempting to solve my problems with soil. In the end, I spread a grand total of around 1,000 cubic yards of tree trimmer mulch over about 12,000 sq feet of land through a 10 year time span. If you do the math, that's roughly 4 feet of mulch across a quarter acre of land -- a lot! After decomp, it turned into maybe 8 inches of beautiful black, wormy compost whose microorganisms thrive when kept moist.
Today, I grow about 80 fruit trees on a little over 1/2 acre of land on an urban double lot, and it's been a 14 year journey of experimentation with a decent bit of success thanks to the smart folks on this forum and the help of Har M, who guided me through the process of discovering what works best for my particular area.
You have raised a good point regarding the personalities involved in what amounts to a religious battle between proselytists on both sides of the debate. But sometimes I feel as if the organic proponents convert it into some sort of moral judgment, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense given the context.
A number of posters point to the argument of nature being able to take care of itself. But we forget a key point: we're not dealing with what nature gave us. For one, we've selected fruit trees based upon characteristics that nature doesn't care about: flavor, texture, brix, color, production, etc. Secondly, we've removed the trees from their native environment. Though our Floridian climate loosely resembles that of native mango regions, there are still myriad differences: humidity, soil, etc.
Moreover, just because organisms survive in a particular unmodified environment doesn't necessarily mean that we can't apply technology to make things better. For example, humans have adapted quite well to extreme heat, and I'm sure that humans have lived in hot and humid conditions for millenia. However, I'm hard pressed to find even the most staunch organic advocate who doesn't use air conditioning in their home during the Florida summer. And I don't believe organic growing really precludes supplemental irrigation during times of drought (haven't farmers used this for hundreds, perhaps thousands, of years?).
Today, I follow a modified regimen that uses organic practices where it makes sense and conventional when not. For example, I use a mix of OMRI listed and EPA Reduced Risk fungicides. For pest control, I exclusively use OMRI listed products, as they are sufficient to control insect problems and have least environmental impact. Given that organic fertilizer is hard to obtain here (and that organic micronutrient products often come from ancient sea beds -- a limited resource), I favor conventional fertilizer. And I provide supplemental irrigation in times of drought. I suggest doing whatever makes the most sense for one's particular needs and growing environment, within the bounds of EPA regs of course.
I get where Frog's frustration probably stems from... us natural guys constantly getting the "you can't grow anything without the use of poisons, due to so and so..." speeches from those who aren't willing to go the extra mile to maintain the ultimate integrity of food and acting like you doing so is impossible because they can't manage it is tired and condescending.
Just because "Mr. Conventional" has to spray a 55 Gallon drum of Roundup a week on every individual vegetable or tree they grow doesn't mean they need to puff their chests up and tell you that you better learn to enjoy poisonous taste of Glyphosate because it's so good for you and you need it while taking in your chemical free collection telling you that it cannot be done in that manner...
Nobody enjoys getting pissed on like that and those kind of people always are the rudest most stubborn people when you mention it can be done naturally like nature has for millions of years before the industrialization of the world happened. They try to shut your truth down immediately and I take joy in watching them writhe in the light of truth when their brains start comprehending they may be ousted.
That rant being ranted, I don't see Jeff as trying to pee on anyone's rainbow, just stating what has worked best and most optimally in his experiences.
Point being, we all can learn a lot from others experiences no matter what methods are used as long as we can just listen and keep an open mind to what others are saying. Agree or disagree, everybody should have a platform to express their thoughts!
Looking forward to scarfing down as many varieties of mangoes as possible this year! I want to be so lucky as to taste the M-4 this time ;)
Jeff, that must have been a lot of hard work and some beautiful soil!!
I feel as you obviously are a wealth of helpful information as you have been at it for as long as you have and tried different methods over that time.
I was obviously being facetious in my postings as usual, as I'm sure everybody will come to learn. I feel if we can't have a good laugh amongst ourselves and bring some positive energy and love to our plants then we aren't doing them any justice!
I don't like judging what others do as that isn't my place and I don't want to be judged myself. If more people would check their ego and drop the narcissistic tendencies everybody gets then we could all get along better!
Out of curiosity what is the closest spacing you have on your trees on your 1/2 acre? My wife and I have a 1/3rd acre to work with and half of that is a septic mound, so we are forced to go ultra high density for the trees on our property.
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Thank you Jeff. I am in the same situation as you, a total of 1/2 acre of lot in a residential area with rocky hard soil, almost like a river bed after 2 ft digging, and we are by the brackish river as well so the salt in the soil..ugh..and my journey has just started 3 yrs ago with this lot, we probably might have put 20 trucks of mulch, about 5-6 each year and hoping this would help to change the soil health a bit. Planted 15 mango trees first year and added 12 more next year and some are in pots still. Mangoes in soil for last 2-3 years did have Zn, Mn deficiency, probably iron as well as i had shown it in 'Mango pests' post and Har had told me it is so, and later reading your posts i figured out its the alkaline soil. My flowering has been poor, this year more than half of the mango trees never flowered, in those that flowered the flower to fruit ratio i think is increasing every year but not optimal, and i am pretty sure observing for last 1 week that flowers are drying out from lack of water in those trees the roots of which have not yet found the water table(pretty much all my 2-3 yrs old trees :) . I am thinking to pay Har to come to my garden and give his recommendations this year. You can probably see all the deficiencies in the video of my yard i sent to you via email. I totally agree with changing the ways we grow based on the soil, climate and various other external variants like native bugs and pests. And what applies to farms up north may not apply to farms south or to residential small lots where i live. You have done all the hard work over the years, trials and errors which will save a lot of time for new growers like me.
Update: My Honey Kiss hasn't flowered yet, will it even flower this late? Neelam flowered a week ago, Angie flowered 3-4 days ago. Carrie is in third bloom cycle. Peach Cobbler, Orange Sherbet, Fairchild, Coconut Cream, Ugly betty didn't bloom this year.
Satya
:D Yah, I certainly don't have anything against organic growing. I was actually an organic grower for roughly a decade. And I actually followed a similar path: attempting to solve my problems with soil. In the end, I spread a grand total of around 1,000 cubic yards of tree trimmer mulch over about 12,000 sq feet of land through a 10 year time span. If you do the math, that's roughly 4 feet of mulch across a quarter acre of land -- a lot! After decomp, it turned into maybe 8 inches of beautiful black, wormy compost whose microorganisms thrive when kept moist.
Today, I grow about 80 fruit trees on a little over 1/2 acre of land on an urban double lot, and it's been a 14 year journey of experimentation with a decent bit of success thanks to the smart folks on this forum and the help of Har M, who guided me through the process of discovering what works best for my particular area.
You have raised a good point regarding the personalities involved in what amounts to a religious battle between proselytists on both sides of the debate. But sometimes I feel as if the organic proponents convert it into some sort of moral judgment, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense given the context.
A number of posters point to the argument of nature being able to take care of itself. But we forget a key point: we're not dealing with what nature gave us. For one, we've selected fruit trees based upon characteristics that nature doesn't care about: flavor, texture, brix, color, production, etc. Secondly, we've removed the trees from their native environment. Though our Floridian climate loosely resembles that of native mango regions, there are still myriad differences: humidity, soil, etc.
Moreover, just because organisms survive in a particular unmodified environment doesn't necessarily mean that we can't apply technology to make things better. For example, humans have adapted quite well to extreme heat, and I'm sure that humans have lived in hot and humid conditions for millenia. However, I'm hard pressed to find even the most staunch organic advocate who doesn't use air conditioning in their home during the Florida summer. And I don't believe organic growing really precludes supplemental irrigation during times of drought (haven't farmers used this for hundreds, perhaps thousands, of years?).
Today, I follow a modified regimen that uses organic practices where it makes sense and conventional when not. For example, I use a mix of OMRI listed and EPA Reduced Risk fungicides. For pest control, I exclusively use OMRI listed products, as they are sufficient to control insect problems and have least environmental impact. Given that organic fertilizer is hard to obtain here (and that organic micronutrient products often come from ancient sea beds -- a limited resource), I favor conventional fertilizer. And I provide supplemental irrigation in times of drought. I suggest doing whatever makes the most sense for one's particular needs and growing environment, within the bounds of EPA regs of course.
I get where Frog's frustration probably stems from... us natural guys constantly getting the "you can't grow anything without the use of poisons, due to so and so..." speeches from those who aren't willing to go the extra mile to maintain the ultimate integrity of food and acting like you doing so is impossible because they can't manage it is tired and condescending.
Just because "Mr. Conventional" has to spray a 55 Gallon drum of Roundup a week on every individual vegetable or tree they grow doesn't mean they need to puff their chests up and tell you that you better learn to enjoy poisonous taste of Glyphosate because it's so good for you and you need it while taking in your chemical free collection telling you that it cannot be done in that manner...
Nobody enjoys getting pissed on like that and those kind of people always are the rudest most stubborn people when you mention it can be done naturally like nature has for millions of years before the industrialization of the world happened. They try to shut your truth down immediately and I take joy in watching them writhe in the light of truth when their brains start comprehending they may be ousted.
That rant being ranted, I don't see Jeff as trying to pee on anyone's rainbow, just stating what has worked best and most optimally in his experiences.
Point being, we all can learn a lot from others experiences no matter what methods are used as long as we can just listen and keep an open mind to what others are saying. Agree or disagree, everybody should have a platform to express their thoughts!
Looking forward to scarfing down as many varieties of mangoes as possible this year! I want to be so lucky as to taste the M-4 this time ;)
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Kind of a 'mixed' year for me. Last year we had a fantastic amount of fruit compared to most everyone, but this year it's hit or miss.
Pickering - loaded (always seems to be)
Cogshall - loaded (last 2 years we've got maybe 5 fruit total so hopefully they hold on)
Cocktail Edgar/Sweet Tart/seedling - nothing - not even a flower
Glenn - about 1/2 loaded. Usually is fully loaded.
Nam Doc Mai - maybe 10 fruits holding on at this point
Sweet Tart - fairly loaded - tree still young but probably around 50 fruits on now
Lemon Zest - nothing - not even a flower. Breaks my heart.
Rosigold - probably 1/2 loaded - usually fully loaded
Coconut Cream - probably 3/4 loaded. This one is an oddball year to year.
Angie - fully loaded
Fruit Punch - maybe 10 fruits holding on
Seacrest - too young - no flowers yet
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The Seacrest part of my multi-graft tree always flowers heavily and holds on to small fruits but they all drop before maturity. End up with 4-5 fruits during a good year. This year, i have one. :(
Heavy fruiting on my Florigon, Mallika, NDM #4. About 5 fruits on Juicy Peach, 10 on Orange Essence, substantial number of mangoes on Sunrise, Angie, Sweet Tart, Cotton Candy, Edgar, Bailey's Marvel, Val Carrie, Dwarf Hawaiian and Cac. Carrie, as usual flowered heavily and ended up disappointing. About 50 fruits on the tree. Off year for Kesar as well. A few mangoes on Little Gem; hope to taste the fruit for the first time this year. About 10 mangoes on my Lemon Zest.
Maha Chanok had a banner year in 2019 and is taking a break this year - just a handful of fruits. Same with Choc Anon Ugly Betty flowered thrice and I will be happy if I get 4 fruits off it. A few small fruits on Son Pari (tree looks ugly) and White Pirie. Planted them based on reputation.
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Yah, it was somewhere around 40 - 50 truck loads at roughly 100 large wheelbarrow (8cf) loads per truck? So figure several thousand trips with the wheelbarrow and 10's of thousands of shovel movements. I started getting carpal tunnel and eventually just started hiring laborers to do it. That costed me thousands, but I did it over a 10 year period, so it was sort of an amortized cost.
I'm doing about 14 feet on center, with some trees closer than that which my wife snuck in when I wasn't looking. At 5 years, the canopies started to touch. I try to prune 1/2 of them each year, and it takes me months worth of weekends to do so. I bought a semi-commercial wood chipper (merry mac) to chip it all up, makes nice compost in just a few months.
Some trees can be closer than 14 feet (eg, sugar apple), but 14 - 15 foot spacing is workable if you're ok doing a lot of pruning. But this is location dependent. For example, I think soil conditions in Homestead are not as conducive to rapid growth.
Jeff, that must have been a lot of hard work and some beautiful soil!!
I feel as you obviously are a wealth of helpful information as you have been at it for as long as you have and tried different methods over that time.
I was obviously being facetious in my postings as usual, as I'm sure everybody will come to learn. I feel if we can't have a good laugh amongst ourselves and bring some positive energy and love to our plants then we aren't doing them any justice!
I don't like judging what others do as that isn't my place and I don't want to be judged myself. If more people would check their ego and drop the narcissistic tendencies everybody gets then we could all get along better!
Out of curiosity what is the closest spacing you have on your trees on your 1/2 acre? My wife and I have a 1/3rd acre to work with and half of that is a septic mound, so we are forced to go ultra high density for the trees on our property.
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You're in a challenging spot. Fortunately, I don't have a hard pan. The rock layer is rubble, and the roots can generally make their way through to the sand on the other side.
Har is great. You should really have him come for a consultation. I had him coming to my place on a monthly basis for quite a while. Learned a lot.
Thank you Jeff. I am in the same situation as you, a total of 1/2 acre of lot in a residential area with rocky hard soil, almost like a river bed after 2 ft digging, and we are by the brackish river as well so the salt in the soil..ugh..and my journey has just started 3 yrs ago with this lot, we probably might have put 20 trucks of mulch, about 5-6 each year and hoping this would help to change the soil health a bit. Planted 15 mango trees first year and added 12 more next year and some are in pots still. Mangoes in soil for last 2-3 years did have Zn, Mn deficiency, probably iron as well as i had shown it in 'Mango pests' post and Har had told me it is so, and later reading your posts i figured out its the alkaline soil. My flowering has been poor, this year more than half of the mango trees never flowered, in those that flowered the flower to fruit ratio i think is increasing every year but not optimal, and i am pretty sure observing for last 1 week that flowers are drying out from lack of water in those trees the roots of which have not yet found the water table(pretty much all my 2-3 yrs old trees :) . I am thinking to pay Har to come to my garden and give his recommendations this year. You can probably see all the deficiencies in the video of my yard i sent to you via email. I totally agree with changing the ways we grow based on the soil, climate and various other external variants like native bugs and pests. And what applies to farms up north may not apply to farms south or to residential small lots where i live. You have done all the hard work over the years, trials and errors which will save a lot of time for new growers like me.
Update: My Honey Kiss hasn't flowered yet, will it even flower this late? Neelam flowered a week ago, Angie flowered 3-4 days ago. Carrie is in third bloom cycle. Peach Cobbler, Orange Sherbet, Fairchild, Coconut Cream, Ugly betty didn't bloom this year.
Satya
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Found the first ripe Glenn fruits today:
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(https://i.postimg.cc/CB3D58mX/77415-F90-047-A-4-B00-ADC1-A0486377-F4-E0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CB3D58mX)
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I have the best crop of mangos I have had right now on multiple trees. Some have baseball sized fruit on them and are pushing new blooms elsewhere on the tree(pickering, Sweet tart, lemon zest), is this normal?
My Cotton Candy shows no signs its even aware its spring(along with sweetheart lychee but that's a different topic). Is Cotton Candy a late season variety?
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I have the best crop of mangos I have had right now on multiple trees. Some have baseball sized fruit on them and are pushing new blooms elsewhere on the tree(pickering, Sweet tart, lemon zest), is this normal?
My Cotton Candy shows no signs its even aware its spring(along with sweetheart lychee but that's a different topic). Is Cotton Candy a late season variety?
Cotton Candy is late July/August. Might be more August inland.
I wouldn’t call the 3 bloom pattern historically normal but it isn’t uncommon this year.
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Okay Jeff. I know from previous experience regarding watering that we are not supposed to disagree with you or risk harassment and being run off this site, I have no problem with leaving here.. ’This place has been a valuable source of ideas for many. Since before I came along there was no information for Organic Growers.
Froggy - Drop the act
All vegetarians and vegans hit the wall...... Eventually. All depends on how much reserves you (anyone) built up during their "degenerate meat eating years". Women are more naturally veg eaters. The plant gatherers, while men went out for the hunt and like to eat in steak houses. Thus women are the longer hold-outs when on a years long veggie/vegan kick.
Read anti-fragile- Nassim Nicholas Taleb
You are a valued contributor so stay
Doing bio-dynamics, you have my respect. I just toss on the mulch and the chems. No sprays.
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zands, which mangos do you have in abundance this year?
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Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining but on the subject of this being a bad year as far as fruit production this 2020 season for me is aptly called my nightmare season. I live in Kendall in a nice residential area with 230+ mango trees of about 30+ varieties. I counted every fruit on all the trees and my estimate for 230 trees of which 95 have been in the ground from 3-20 years was 235 fruit. Now what the heck has caused this catastrophe? I only have 2 variables I can blame. Over watering and untimely fertilization. Since I live in a residential area I must keep my lawn looking nice and since we've been in a drought for many months I've had to use the sprinklers a lot. Also I have about 10 potted trees from the nursery as backups in case a tree falters and I can't heal it that have to be watered regularly and I put them in a place where the sprinklers can hit them. So since my sprinklers also hit the mango trees and their roots my trees have been way over watered. Between the over watering and untimely fertilization/fertigation the trees are all spectacularly beautiful and healthy ""BUT"" no fruit to speak of.
As far as what trees did produce as of April 3, 2920 etc.???
Pickering great crop
Rosigold great
Dwarf Hawaiian good with a smaller 2nd crop.
After this a spot here and there. Most spots are on 1 to a few Sweet Tarts and Cotton Candies and a Duncan and a Maha. That means as an example that out of 50 Sweet Tart trees maybe 6 have 1-20 fruit and the others have a big zero. But all total about only 235 fruit.
Next year/season I am not going to turn the sprinklers on or fertilize and I am going to hand water the grass by hand if conditions require """""BUT""""" that too may not work because the roots of my trees are still under the grass!!!!!!!! Jokes on me.
Even my 20 year old trees have zero fruit and that includes 2 Haden, 4 Keitt, 1 Van Dyke, 2 Glenn, 1 Valencia Pride, 2 Hatcher. Crazy Crazy Crazy but my own fault. Live and learn.
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This is all anecdotal, obviously, but I would assume it would be related to nitrogen feeding at the wrong time. Comparing flowering here before and after installation of an irrigation system, I didn't note any differences. The factors that seem to influence production here are:
- Lack of nutrition (eg, zinc, iron, k, etc) -- very typical here in south florida
- Lack of cold. Cold seems to be the #1 trigger for reproductive growth here.
- Production from the previous year (in conjunction with nutrition levels), ie, high production the prev year without replacing nutrients usually means lower production in the current year.
- Nitrogen applied during the dormancy period.
- Shade.
- Over-pruning or pruning at the wrong time of year, which encourages vegetative growth.
With supplemental irrigation, I've got thousands of mangoes on 35 or so mango trees, after having a banner year last year.
Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining but on the subject of this being a bad year as far as fruit production this 2020 season for me is aptly called my nightmare season. I live in Kendall in a nice residential area with 230+ mango trees of about 30+ varieties. I counted every fruit on all the trees and my estimate for 230 trees of which 95 have been in the ground from 3-20 years was 235 fruit. Now what the heck has caused this catastrophe? I only have 2 variables I can blame. Over watering and untimely fertilization. Since I live in a residential area I must keep my lawn looking nice and since we've been in a drought for many months I've had to use the sprinklers a lot. Also I have about 10 potted trees from the nursery as backups in case a tree falters and I can't heal it that have to be watered regularly and I put them in a place where the sprinklers can hit them. So since my sprinklers also hit the mango trees and their roots my trees have been way over watered. Between the over watering and untimely fertilization/fertigation the trees are all spectacularly beautiful and healthy ""BUT"" no fruit to speak of.
As far as what trees did produce as of April 3, 2920 etc.???
Pickering great crop
Rosigold great
Dwarf Hawaiian good with a smaller 2nd crop.
After this a spot here and there. Most spots are on 1 to a few Sweet Tarts and Cotton Candies and a Duncan and a Maha. That means as an example that out of 50 Sweet Tart trees maybe 6 have 1-20 fruit and the others have a big zero. But all total about only 235 fruit.
Next year/season I am not going to turn the sprinklers on or fertilize and I am going to hand water the grass by hand if conditions require """""BUT""""" that too may not work because the roots of my trees are still under the grass!!!!!!!! Jokes on me.
Even my 20 year old trees have zero fruit and that includes 2 Haden, 4 Keitt, 1 Van Dyke, 2 Glenn, 1 Valencia Pride, 2 Hatcher. Crazy Crazy Crazy but my own fault. Live and learn.
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CM how can I thank you for that phenomenal response? Certainly not with mangoes!!!!! Seriously though that response cannot be found anywhere I looked in any book or the internet and it was really educational. So it wasn't the water but my constant feeding of a complete 9-3-6 with micros every 2 weeks at the wrong time. Wow really I feel so much better because now I won't repeat that mistake. When can I feed my mango trees? From when to when with that 9-3-6 so I don't kill their urge to reproduce themselves?
Nobody has ever given me such great information before.
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Between the over watering and untimely fertilization/fertigation the trees are all spectacularly beautiful and healthy ""BUT"" no fruit to speak of.
Next year/season I am not going to turn the sprinklers on or fertilize and I am going to hand water the grass by hand.............
Crazy but my own fault.
Seems you know the answer.
Over fertilization with a lot of water (if not so much to cause root rot/disease) = Plant growth primarily.
If the tree is stressed or thinks it's about to die, It tries to fruit. So as you said cut back. Other choices... Try other stresses. Some nick or beat on the trunk etc. if you don't think it will get diseased.
And if you want your trees to grow vegetatively, extra fertilizers, water, & pull off all the fruit.
Too much or too little of almost anything is bad.
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:D I don't give my mangoes any nitrogen at all. I use Har's slow release 0-3-16 with minors (https://www.themangoplace.com/fertilizers (https://www.themangoplace.com/fertilizers)). You can give mangoes nitrogen when they are fruiting, but you need to ensure that the mango receives enough calcium to mitigate internal breakdown. You might get away with it given your Ca rich soil down in Miami Dade. However, your best bet is to just never feed them with nitrogen (unless they are severely stunted).
Every two weeks is a bit frequent. 3 - 4 times a year is sufficient, especially with a slow release product.
Actually, it was Dr Richard Campbell who popularized the notion that mango trees in this area don't need N.
If your soil does not drain well, be really careful with the irrigation.
CM how can I thank you for that phenomenal response? Certainly not with mangoes!!!!! Seriously though that response cannot be found anywhere I looked in any book or the internet and it was really educational. So it wasn't the water but my constant feeding of a complete 9-3-6 with micros every 2 weeks at the wrong time. Wow really I feel so much better because now I won't repeat that mistake. When can I feed my mango trees? From when to when with that 9-3-6 so I don't kill their urge to reproduce themselves?
Nobody has ever given me such great information before.
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OMG our 3 yo Lemon Zest has nice big fruit from first bloom, lots of little fruitlets from 2nd bloom and is starting a light 3rd bloom. This tree has never been watered and the orchard floor is diverse and healthy and the soil is aggregated deep.
(https://i.postimg.cc/CZNQZ1Dx/D584-FD13-44-F8-4-C71-85-A8-8-B82-AFAF216-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CZNQZ1Dx)
Just by using biodynamic foliar sprays on everything and a little manure from my friends. I wonder how much a Demeter Certified Lemon Zest seed is worth? Eat it! Because it’s good for you and everything else.
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OMG our 3 yo Lemon Zest has nice big fruit from first bloom, lots of little fruitlets from 2nd bloom and is starting a light 3rd bloom. This tree has never been watered.
Statistical value = none.
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OMG our 3 yo Lemon Zest has nice big fruit from first bloom, lots of little fruitlets from 2nd bloom and is starting a light 3rd bloom. This tree has never been watered.
Statistical value = none.
Thank you! Right, because we are the first. How do we value intent then?
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OMG our 3 yo Lemon Zest has nice big fruit from first bloom, lots of little fruitlets from 2nd bloom and is starting a light 3rd bloom. This tree has never been watered.
Statistical value = none.
Right, because we are the first. How do we value intent then?
You want to prove something for good, give us at least some minimum numbers (years of experience and dozens of trees), one single tree means little. I don't expect here peer review papers but a little bit of rationality would be great.
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OMG our 3 yo Lemon Zest has nice big fruit from first bloom, lots of little fruitlets from 2nd bloom and is starting a light 3rd bloom. This tree has never been watered.
Statistical value = none.
Right, because we are the first. How do we value intent then?
You want to prove something for good, give us at least some minimum numbers (years of experience and dozens of trees), one single tree means little. I don't expect here peer review papers but a little bit of rationality would be great.
Sorry yes this is just my experience 57 years organic, and at FVF growing 270 Mangos with multiple trees having the same result. Growing the last 3 years here and growing soil for 4 years here.
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Hi Frog Valley, I have read many of your replies on mango-related posts. You have peaked my interest and i have some questions for you because your non-irrigating methods go against most (or all) mango experts on forum, and id like to expand my very limited knowledge of mango growing:
Do you spray "biodynamic foliar sprays" often enough where your spraying or misting the leaves is actually a form of irrigation?
How many years have you been farming mangos on a large scale (are your methods time-tested)? Or are most of your trees juvenile?
What kind of Manure and how often?
sounds too easy!
just trying to educate myself, thanks
-Abe
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"water is the best fertilizer" --- Harry Hausman of mango fame. Broward resident. Search forum for more Hausman.
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Very good set on mango trees hanging over deep pond .Ugly betty,sweet tart,a fruit punch/harvest moon combo tree, lemon zest,wize,cat hoa loc.Ground is always damp and fruit quality is the cleanest and tasty.Fish poop?That water system pond and mosquito ditch is loaded with life every thing from shrimp,crayfish,turtles and literally thousands of fish.So I have to (give a hoot don't pollute)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZB7gSQRIuM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZB7gSQRIuM)
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OMG our 3 yo Lemon Zest has nice big fruit from first bloom, lots of little fruitlets from 2nd bloom and is starting a light 3rd bloom. This tree has never been watered.
Statistical value = none.
Right, because we are the first. How do we value intent then?
You want to prove something for good, give us at least some minimum numbers (years of experience and dozens of trees), one single tree means little. I don't expect here peer review papers but a little bit of rationality would be great.
Sorry yes this is just my experience 57 years organic, and at FVF growing 270 Mangos with multiple trees having the same result. Growing the last 3 years here and growing soil for 4 years here.
I think you misunderstood me, I wasn't asking for your curriculum, I'd like to see data. A picture of a LZ tree this particular year is not data, is an anecdote. That was my point, since I live in a region with up to 5 months without rain any solid info about growing mangoes without watering is actually interesting.
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OMG our 3 yo Lemon Zest has nice big fruit from first bloom, lots of little fruitlets from 2nd bloom and is starting a light 3rd bloom. This tree has never been watered.
Statistical value = none.
Right, because we are the first. How do we value intent then?
You want to prove something for good, give us at least some minimum numbers (years of experience and dozens of trees), one single tree means little. I don't expect here peer review papers but a little bit of rationality would be great.
Sorry yes this is just my experience 57 years organic, and at FVF growing 270 Mangos with multiple trees having the same result. Growing the last 3 years here and growing soil for 4 years here.
I think you misunderstood me, I wasn't asking for your curriculum, I'd like to see data. A picture of a LZ tree this particular year is not data, is an anecdote. That was my point, since I live in a region with up to 5 months without rain any solid info about growing mangoes without watering is actually interesting.
I was just sharing my successful LZ growing experience this year at my farm in Vero Beach Florida. I understand everyone has different circumstances and will probably get a different result.
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Frog Valley, please continue to share your experience and for folks who can have trees with weeds under them, they will imitate (the best form of flattery)
For those who must have manicured grass (for HOA reasons) or those who need a weedless perhaps mulched orchard floor for other reasons, they will use other best practices consistent with their needs.
My choc anon did the same as your LZ this year. Large fruits on, plus small fruits and new sets from third flower flush. My Sweet tart only had two flushes and set fruit on both. Interestingly a couple of my other trees planted under the same conditions did not do so well. Was the performance you saw on the LZ replicated across all the trees in your orchard?
I am just south of you, in Jupiter.
By the way, while I barely irrigate my mature trees, I have had to during this current dry spell.
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Growing mangoes, and about anything else for that matter, without irrigation in FL is interesting.
Finding that sweet spot with watering trees, with all the dryness we've had in the South Miami area, is not easy. Don't want to water down flavor, but don't want to lose fruit either.
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Agree there is no one size fits all in agriculture. Each of our trees is in its distinct constantly changing space. I have found using quality finished compost in large amounts through out the orchard floor can greatly exceed growth, fruiting and health of our Mango trees here. Our trees are all over the place some have large crops from first flower with no other flowering’s others had two with fruit and others had three bloom with fruit. Most have only been in the ground 1 year some have fruit most flowered. This is first flowering and fruit on That LZ.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/1fn8SKXm/CARRIE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1fn8SKXm)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Wd0tFb0x/EDWARD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Wd0tFb0x)
(https://i.postimg.cc/vg04Yq5B/KEITT.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vg04Yq5B)
(https://i.postimg.cc/kDh2LHnY/ORANGE-SHERBET.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kDh2LHnY)
(https://i.postimg.cc/HJ2xzZZ2/PICKERING.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HJ2xzZZ2)
(https://i.postimg.cc/yWNJQKzS/ROSIGOLD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yWNJQKzS)
(https://i.postimg.cc/94V0G5p0/SUPER-JULIE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/94V0G5p0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/62pQmrFN/TEBOW.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/62pQmrFN)
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Galaxy - nothing
Nam Doc Mai - nothing
Glenn - just flowering
Dwarf Hawaiian - just flowering
Choc-anon - nothing
Valencia Pride - nothing
Ice cream - nothing
Diamond - nothing
Pina Colada - nothing
Coconut Cream - nothing
Haden - every year like clockwork
Valcarrie - nothing
Lancetilla - nothing
Honey Kiss - nothing
Cogshall - nothing
Parvin - nothing
Sweet tart - nothing
Baileys Marvel - nothing
Cotton candy- nothing
Peach cobbler - nothing
Gold nugget - nothing
Fairchild - nothing
Mallika - nothing
Lemon Zest - nothing
PPK - nothing
Seacrest - nothing
All my mango trees are under 4 years old.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/6T6ZkRCq/CAC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6T6ZkRCq)
(https://i.postimg.cc/1fn8SKXm/CARRIE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1fn8SKXm)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Wd0tFb0x/EDWARD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Wd0tFb0x)
(https://i.postimg.cc/vg04Yq5B/KEITT.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vg04Yq5B)
(https://i.postimg.cc/kDh2LHnY/ORANGE-SHERBET.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kDh2LHnY)
(https://i.postimg.cc/HJ2xzZZ2/PICKERING.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HJ2xzZZ2)
(https://i.postimg.cc/yWNJQKzS/ROSIGOLD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yWNJQKzS)
(https://i.postimg.cc/94V0G5p0/SUPER-JULIE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/94V0G5p0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/62pQmrFN/TEBOW.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/62pQmrFN)
(https://i.postimg.cc/GTBmccc7/VENUS.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GTBmccc7)
Galaxy - nothing
Nam Doc Mai - nothing
Glenn - just flowering
Dwarf Hawaiian - just flowering
Choc-anon - nothing
Valencia Pride - nothing
Ice cream - nothing
Diamond - nothing
Pina Colada - nothing
Coconut Cream - nothing
Haden - every year like clockwork
Valcarrie - nothing
Lancetilla - nothing
Honey Kiss - nothing
Cogshall - nothing
Parvin - nothing
Sweet tart - nothing
Baileys Marvel - nothing
Cotton candy- nothing
Peach cobbler - nothing
Gold nugget - nothing
Fairchild - nothing
Mallika - nothing
Lemon Zest - nothing
PPK - nothing
Seacrest - nothing
All my mango trees are under 4 years old.
Your Orange Sherbet isn’t an Orange Sherbet. Could be an Orange Essence though.
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Galaxy - nothing
Nam Doc Mai - nothing
Glenn - just flowering
Dwarf Hawaiian - just flowering
Choc-anon - nothing
Valencia Pride - nothing
Ice cream - nothing
Diamond - nothing
Pina Colada - nothing
Coconut Cream - nothing
Haden - every year like clockwork
Valcarrie - nothing
Lancetilla - nothing
Honey Kiss - nothing
Cogshall - nothing
Parvin - nothing
Sweet tart - nothing
Baileys Marvel - nothing
Cotton candy- nothing
Peach cobbler - nothing
Gold nugget - nothing
Fairchild - nothing
Mallika - nothing
Lemon Zest - nothing
PPK - nothing
Seacrest - nothing
All my mango trees are under 4 years old.
Your Orange Sherbet isn’t an Orange Sherbet. Could be an Orange Essence though.
probably not - which is why i got a second one from zill..
but this one was sold as "orange sherbet" and its extremely citris'y - super delicious! havent tried the genuine yet.
it will be funny if the fake one ends up tasting better lol
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I just noticed two nice fruit on Lil Gem. In ground 1 yr. 3 mos., never watered. All of our trees were either planted as 3gal. Most from Zills who I love. Almost all showed active Anthracnose and MBBS at purchase, all survived 150 plus or minus, trees. Trees planted most recently were introduced and converted to biologiques in pot at purchase for 2-4 weeks.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Cz0pdVvm/6-BDBF7-F0-DFB7-44-E3-861-A-4616071-A92-C4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Cz0pdVvm)
This tree has a unique site and I had to cut the carbon back from the cover 2c the fruit.
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Is that cogong grass growing around that gem mango?
Imperata cylindrica (commonly known as cogongrass
I would take that mango off,to young of a mango tree it will slow down the tree.
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I'd eat that mango when it's ready!
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That poor mango is struggling under allelopathic competitiveness of cogongrass.
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That poor mango is struggling under allelopathic competitiveness of cogongrass.
no, no... it's the only properly grown mango in the entire universe full of good feelings and moon phases.
In all seriousness, it looks undernourished and undersized for something in ground that long as a 3g planted out over a year ago. This is why the lengthy posts lecturing everyone else aren't being taken well, because the evidence via picture you're presenting about growing mechanics isn't going to convert anyone. a 3g 1+ year in ground should easily be 2 to 4 times as large in trunk girth, canopy size.
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Is that a tree or just a dozen mango leaves floating in space?
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Agreed it is pathetic looking (lol) and I didn’t realize it was there until the rain beat the dead plants down, but it’s healthy and will pull out now that it’s raining, no problemo. I have observed here my not watered grafted Mangos it takes them on average 3 years to bulk up and produce well. Newly planted never watered grafted mangos started with chemicals may not grow at all for up to 1.5 years after planting in the biological system. Seed grown trees pass up grafted 3 gal the first year. With some help from my friends, just sayin. Good health to all.
We have been growing mangos on another property in white beach sand this way but without compost zero input. No water. For the past 9 years. With a mowed mono top lawn system. The trees are large and robust but have yet to flower. Planted as grafted chemical grown Zills Mangos put in ground as 3gal.
I am sure that seed grown with biologiques then grafted will be able to outperform the chemical raised seedlings grafted tree. We will see. Thankfully we have plenty of Zills variety Mango seeds grown with biologique this year to expand our Mango tree numbers..
Here is a 2 yo Sweet Tart that had 10” finished compost then seeded added onto the entire orchard floor 10’ away from any tree. She bloomed 1x and is loaded.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/87KcpqWP/F1-F810-D2-504-A-4526-A965-8485-F30-B4-FC5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/87KcpqWP)
Orchard floor gets pepper tree chop and drop and fresh raw manure thrown onto the cover.
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Froggy whatever you are applying is counteracting the grass that strangle young mango trees. All others should clear a three ft diameter of all grass 'round a newly planted tree of any kind. I love grass so dislike ripping it out. So I transplant this grass elsewhere in my lawn that can use it.
Gotta rip out that 3ft diameter though mulch is optional. I have seen those who leave this diameter bare. They have their reasons. Though when explained I did not understand their explanations.
Summary - Grass will reduce growth in young mango trees by at least 50%.... Was My experience until I had a visitor who insisted I remove all grass in 3ft diameter
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That Sweet Tart looks nice.
I like and respect what you are doing.
As for 2020 Mango Season, lots of Glenns almost ready, with a second crop following. Over half a dozen coco creams (2nd year fruiting, one fruit last year), maybe 2 dozen kesars, a few sweet tarts, and one lone ndm4. Think this tree just doesn't get enough sun. Need to trim or chop some larger trees blocking the sun.
Hoping for another bloom, doubtful
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Removing the grass in a zero watering system has killed the young tree for us in the past. That Lil gem just needs compost added to the cover the more compost added the better it will do in that location.
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Removing the grass in a zero watering system has killed the tree for us in the past.
3 inches wood chips will trap water-moisture in the soil for the roots of your young mango tree. You like Masanobu Fukuoka
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Not trying to be critical to frog.Trying to help,as I do not remove grass either.Sometimes rootstocks are just poor or could be dwarfing.I take a known genetically strong strain of mango and plant the seed next to the tree and approach graft to give it boost.After couple years the seedling grafted to the original is 4 times the mass!
The other reason for getting that tree growing is the longer it stays small out in exposed field is freeze!The risk of turning all that work into a field field of stumps .That's not the warmest area for growing.Even Homestead can get very bad freezes.I have seen this and (not) a good time.If you lived in Florida from 1977 to 1989 you understand.Big growers went out of business.Below is a book that is harsh reality check and life lesson.
(What does not kill you makes you stronger)
A History of Florida Citrus Freezes by Attaway, John A
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Not trying to be critical to frog.Trying to help,as I do not remove grass either.Sometimes rootstocks are just poor or could be dwarfing.I take a known genetically strong strain of mango and plant the seed next to the tree and approach graft to give it boost.After couple years the seedling grafted to the original is 4 times the mass!
The other reason for getting that tree growing is the longer it stays small out in exposed field is freeze!The risk of turning all that work into a field field of stumps .That's not the warmest area for growing.Even Homestead can get very bad freezes.I have seen this and (not) a good time.If you lived in Florida from 1977 to 1989 you understand.Big growers went out of business.Below is a book that is harsh reality check and life lesson.
(What does not kill you makes you stronger)
A History of Florida Citrus Freezes by Attaway, John A
Yes thanks I agree, thankfully most all of our trees are much larger than that. When I found “it” I just was amazed that such a haggard forgotten tree could hold two large healthy fruit without ever growing and not being watered then get 2” of rain then 5 days later 3” and still hold the fruit. Didn’t realize it would cause such a firestorm of confusion. I am purposefully trying to stunt things do to the fact that I do this by myself by hand. My intent was well meaning.
We are very diverse and do not only grow one type of fruit and do not rely on it for $ and it is not our only food source. Things grow back.
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Not trying to be critical to frog.Trying to help,as I do not remove grass either.Sometimes rootstocks are just poor or could be dwarfing.I take a known genetically strong strain of mango and plant the seed next to the tree and approach graft to give it boost.After couple years the seedling grafted to the original is 4 times the mass!
The other reason for getting that tree growing is the longer it stays small out in exposed field is freeze!The risk of turning all that work into a field field of stumps .That's not the warmest area for growing.Even Homestead can get very bad freezes.I have seen this and (not) a good time.If you lived in Florida from 1977 to 1989 you understand.Big growers went out of business.Below is a book that is harsh reality check and life lesson.
(What does not kill you makes you stronger)
A History of Florida Citrus Freezes by Attaway, John A
Great first hand report on approach grafting. What seeds do you like?
In 1988 or 1989 my parents grafted mango tree froze. But came back to produce small root stock derived mangoes. They were very edible but small and yellow. Parents froze some each year and even bought a small freezer for them. My step-mother loved them. They also ate huge mangoes from a legit grafted mango tree. This same neighbor was the one who planted their tree that froze down to the root stock
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The rootstock tree I found is some kind of apple or hybrid tree maybe 100 years old in fort myers.What caught my eye back in the 1980s was it had strong buttress roots.I thought it might make a good rootstock so I grafted a dozen mangos on it.Planted them out in 1995, well in 2004 we got hit with hurricane charley winds 150 mph+ and not one of those went over.I did have 2 shear badly but none tiped,can't say that for regular turpentine mango rootstock for most went over or tip badly.I was so impressed with that tree I grafted one for the farm,I wanted first generation seeds like the original and easy access.Nicknamed that tree my hurricane rootstock!
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The rootstock tree I found is some kind of apple or hybrid tree maybe 100 years old in fort myers.What caught my eye back in the 1980s was it had strong buttress roots.I thought it might make a good rootstock so I grafted a dozen mangos on it.Planted them out in 1995, well in 2004 we got hit with hurricane charley winds 150 mph+ and not one of those went over.I did have 2 shear badly but none tiped,can't say that for regular turpentine mango rootstock for most went over or tip badly.I was so impressed with that tree I grafted one for the farm,I wanted first generation seeds like the original and easy access.Nicknamed that tree my hurricane rootstock!
Great report. Proof is in the pudding as they say. I have never seen a mango tree with buttress roots. It has to get really old I guess.
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Galaxy - nothing
Nam Doc Mai - nothing
Glenn - just flowering
Dwarf Hawaiian - just flowering
Choc-anon - nothing
Valencia Pride - nothing
Ice cream - nothing
Diamond - nothing
Pina Colada - nothing
Coconut Cream - nothing
Haden - every year like clockwork
Valcarrie - nothing
Lancetilla - nothing
Honey Kiss - nothing
Cogshall - nothing
Parvin - nothing
Sweet tart - nothing
Baileys Marvel - nothing
Cotton candy- nothing
Peach cobbler - nothing
Gold nugget - nothing
Fairchild - nothing
Mallika - nothing
Lemon Zest - nothing
PPK - nothing
Seacrest - nothing
All my mango trees are under 4 years old.
How often are you you pruning? I'm hoping to keep my mango trees small and manageable (partly because I planted them too close together).
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This quarantine has me staring at my Mangos much more than usual. In my yard it the first Mango will come from either a CARRIE a GLENN or a SWEET TART. My other trees are a few weeks out.
Which of your mangos will be first this year?
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Now I'm staring at your mangos and I have my basket!
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Beautiful!
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Would you believe if I told you a couple of trees in my yard (in Jupiter) are blooming again?
The Choc Anon, especially, has thrown enough to call it a bloom, its fourth this year. A few of the other trees have one or two branches here or there that show a flower or a confused flower flower.
Are any of you seeing a late bloom too?
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I walked the trees today (nothing to do so I walk every day) and saw this mango.
I labelled the branch Venus so I think that is what this fruit is.
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Nice looking fruit, but
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The fruit split and dropped as soon as I touched it to inspect the damage, I am not sure if it split because of the rains I got over the lat 2 days or mbbs?
Is Venus susceptible to MBBS? It's not on anyone's resistant varieties list so far. This branch held only 2 fruits and I lost them both.
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Wealth of information here:
Squam256's website https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/mangos (https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/mangos)
"Venus
Venus was a seedling of Zill Indochinese (Zinc) from the breeding program of Gary Zill in Boynton Beach, FL (planting # 33-10). We speculate that one of ‘Kent’ or ‘Beverly’ may have been the pollen parent.
The fruit are round in shape, medium-sized, and turn yellow with some light red blush at maturity. The flesh is firm, fiberless, and light yellow in color. The flavor is nothing short of excellent, with a decadent and complex mix of sweetness and acidity that most people who try it fall in love with.
Sometimes the fruit can ripen a bit unevenly, like its sibling the Sweet Tart. Nonetheless, it is one of the finest tasting mangos you can eat. The seed is monoembryonic.
The trees are upright, moderately vigorous growers with open canopy, and have excellent anthracnose resistance of the flowers and fruit.
Unfortunately, we have discovered Venus to be highly prone to bacterial black spot of the fruit, which in turn seems to make it more prone to rotting fungi. For this reason, we can’t recommend the tree to backyard growers in south Florida, and have begun top-working our Venus trees into other varieties.
Venus is a mid-season variety with its primary crop typically occurring from July to August, though we have had some May fruit from them the last several years.
Flavor: Indochinese hybrid
Country: Florida - USA"
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Venus is horribly prone to MBBS. The spring crop fruits have a chance of making it intact but the ones that mature in July/August will probably get massacred.
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Central FL, mature tree, first fruiting in 2019, in autumn I pruned correctly.
2020 blooming ended, now small fruits, very very few.
Question is this : I want more light to these fruits; any reason not to prune accordingly now?
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I have 260-270 mango trees in Kendall and only have about 270 fruit from these trees this year and yes I pruned the heck out of them as soon as I realized I wasn't getting any fruit from them in 2020. This took about 6-8 weeks to get done and if I waited till June July Aug and Sept to do it in worse heat then we just went through that would have been like working hard in hellish conditions. What went through my mind was that a dramatic pruning could be done because the trees were pruned so early that they could get another 1 or 2 times to flush and recover with way more lower to the ground branches for easier picking and more fruit in 2021. 2021 should be a banner year after our babies took such a big vacation!!!!!
eg my 20 y/o Valencia Pride reduced from 36+ ft to about 15 ft. Keitts the same. Serious dramatic pruning because of the 3-5 months of extra recovery time.
Now any of my trees that will have fruit that can be eaten in 2021 will not be pruned until after they fruit in 2021. All my other mango trees will continue to be tipped every time I pass by them and see that they need to be tipped.
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Thanks.
The 270 fruits will develop well?
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So far so good
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think i planted mine too close, tipping is not controlling their size, maybe good Pruning on half every other year and letting the other half fruit will be best?
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think i planted mine too close, tipping is not controlling their size, maybe good Pruning on half every other year and letting the other half fruit will be best?
What was your spacing on them?
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They are around 10 feet apart
What was your spacing on them?
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Its June and my Carrie threw 2 flowers, I was as normal as they come and the second was confused.
Anyone else seeing this on SF mango trees?
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I have 260-270 mango trees in Kendall and only have about 270 fruit from these trees this year and yes I pruned the heck out of them as soon as I realized I wasn't getting any fruit from them in 2020. This took about 6-8 weeks to get done and if I waited till June July Aug and Sept to do it in worse heat then we just went through that would have been like working hard in hellish conditions. What went through my mind was that a dramatic pruning could be done because the trees were pruned so early that they could get another 1 or 2 times to flush and recover with way more lower to the ground branches for easier picking and more fruit in 2021. 2021 should be a banner year after our babies took such a big vacation!!!!!
eg my 20 y/o Valencia Pride reduced from 36+ ft to about 15 ft. Keitts the same. Serious dramatic pruning because of the 3-5 months of extra recovery time.
Now any of my trees that will have fruit that can be eaten in 2021 will not be pruned until after they fruit in 2021. All my other mango trees will continue to be tipped every time I pass by them and see that they need to be tipped.
An early mango season for sure, at least on some trees anyway. On my trees that have minimal or no yield, same as you I am pruning now and looking to tip prune the new growth in 8-10 weeks/
We always have to look towards the future seasons and it is not too early to think about 2021.
2021 should be a banner year after our babies took such a big vacation!!!!!
This will happen. A nice cold winter to induce maximum South Florida mango bloom and fruit holds. God willing of course, but with all the bad recent news (wuhan lab created covid19 and now we get riots and looting) I think we will get this much to counter balance it.
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Its June and my Carrie threw 2 flowers, I was as normal as they come and the second was confused.
Anyone else seeing this on SF mango trees?
Saw flowers on Himasagar yesterday :)
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First crop off Angie tree, thought i was gonna be able to eat them all off the tree but a squirrel or rat ate half the second one, angie seems to have very small window for peak flavor
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I've got fruit developing and a second bloom on my Neelam.
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First crop off Angie tree, thought i was gonna be able to eat them all off the tree but a squirrel or rat ate half the second one, angie seems to have very small window for peak flavor
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What do you mean by a "very small window for peak flavor?" That could be said for Carrie, but having grown Angie, I don't see how that applies.
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Just had one of the best Orange Sherbets, perfect.
Tried Hubble. Excellent. Smooth and no fiber. Sweet and some sour.
Had a super good Saigon too. Complex and juicy. Satisfying.
And this Mabrouka was a nice surprise. Some resin and spice, with sweet smoothness.
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No weeds grow beneath oak trees, maybe fallen oak leaves prevent weeds.
Any reason not to use these leaves to mulch beneath mango tree?
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Just had one of the best Orange Sherbets, perfect.
Tried Hubble. Excellent. Smooth and no fiber. Sweet and some sour.
Had a super good Saigon too. Complex and juicy. Satisfying.
And this Mabrouka was a nice surprise. Some resin and spice, with sweet smoothness.
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Sorry I didn't catch this when you first posted!
How did the Orange Sherbet compare to Lemon Zest or Lemon Meringue???
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Orange Sherbert and LZ are different. I like them both. A great LZ is hard to beat though. Its been a while since had a LM, don't really recall but they weren't as good as OS and LZ.
Hands down the best mango I had this year was Sweet Tart. Finally had a few perfect ones. I love this mango.
Time to prep for grafts.
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Orange Sherbert and LZ are different. I like them both. A great LZ is hard to beat though. Its been a while since had a LM, don't really recall but they weren't as good as OS and LZ.
Hands down the best mango I had this year was Sweet Tart. Finally had a few perfect ones. I love this mango.
Time to prep for grafts.
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Getting Close to the end of 2020 mango season in South Florida :'(
I'll miss eating my daily mango.... In the evening moonlight rests a few on the Keitt tree in the moonlight...
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This was a typical year in South Florida for getting my daily fresh mango off the tree into November if you have at least 3 Keitt trees I believe you will also have good odds of doing the same.
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