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« Reply #175 on: October 21, 2015, 07:27:23 PM »
Mine emerges red- pinkish

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« Reply #176 on: October 22, 2015, 03:57:30 PM »
So Luc's or whitman's? The growth was much more red last week.


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Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
« Reply #177 on: October 22, 2015, 05:48:42 PM »
So Luc's or whitman's? The growth was much more red last week.


definitely not G. acuminata...and leaves don't look brilliant enough to be G. madruno..

not sure which species you are calling "whitman", but I never heard of a garcinia named after him.

yours looks like Luc's..

leaf shape and new growth color can be variable, depending on environmental conditions.

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Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
« Reply #178 on: October 22, 2015, 06:18:55 PM »
So Luc's or whitman's? The growth was much more red last week.


Your photo looks more like Luc's garcinia than Whitman's garcinia, which Whitman called simply charichuela. The charichuela is probably a type of madrono. It's described in his book 5 Decades with Tropical Fruits. Whitman's charichuela has much smaller leaves than Luc's garcinia., which has quite large leaves.
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« Reply #179 on: October 22, 2015, 06:29:06 PM »
Thanks.

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Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
« Reply #180 on: October 22, 2015, 07:10:46 PM »
the fruit Whitman called charichuela is G. acuminata.

I have seen seedlings from his tree in person, and they fit the description perfectly.

So Luc's or whitman's? The growth was much more red last week.


Your photo looks more like Luc's garcinia than Whitman's garcinia, which Whitman called simply charichuela. The charichuela is probably a type of madrono. It's described in his book 5 Decades with Tropical Fruits. Whitman's charichuela has much smaller leaves than Luc's garcinia., which has quite large leaves.
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Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
« Reply #181 on: October 23, 2015, 02:57:00 AM »
the fruit Whitman called charichuela is G. acuminata.

I have seen seedlings from his tree in person, and they fit the description perfectly.



G. acuminatas i have tasted were not that great and had a very large seed, unlike Whitman's charichuela.
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Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
« Reply #182 on: October 23, 2015, 09:57:47 AM »
the fruit Whitman called charichuela is G. acuminata.

I have seen seedlings from his tree in person, and they fit the description perfectly.



G. acuminatas i have tasted were not that great and had a very large seed, unlike Whitman's charichuela.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=8010.msg102920#msg102920

Of course your opinion of the flavor is subjective, especially if you have not tasted fruits from whitmans tree.

Seed size and quantity can be variable, especially if you have an isolated tree as Whitman did.

The leaves of his tee were not the same a G madruno, which are much larger.

His book also states that the fruits had a large seed.

I don't think they should (or will) be lumped into one species.
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Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
« Reply #183 on: October 24, 2015, 12:41:22 AM »
the fruit Whitman called charichuela is G. acuminata.

I have seen seedlings from his tree in person, and they fit the description perfectly.



G. acuminatas i have tasted were not that great and had a very large seed, unlike Whitman's charichuela.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=8010.msg102920#msg102920

Of course your opinion of the flavor is subjective, especially if you have not tasted fruits from whitmans tree.

Seed size and quantity can be variable, especially if you have an isolated tree as Whitman did.

The leaves of his tee were not the same a G madruno, which are much larger.

His book also states that the fruits had a large seed.

I don't think they should (or will) be lumped into one species.

Yes the leaves of madrono are larger. But as you know there can be leaf size differences within same species. In any case, I don't think Whitman's charichuela has been positively identified yet.
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« Reply #184 on: November 15, 2015, 09:35:39 AM »
I've made an interesting observation that this plant seems to respond well to cytokine treatment. I made an experiment with 4 plants were of 2 were treated with a 30ppm solution of Zeatin with teh hopes that I could stimulate the rate of cell division in the apical meristem. One month later I'm seeing these results:



We'll see what happens in the future but I'm planning on letting the new leafs harden of then applying a second dose of 20ppm. I'll have to experiment more but maybe Garcinas have adapted to produce low amounts of plant hormones and that application on seedlings could speed up initial growth. Would be interesting to see results with GA3 and IAA too.

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« Reply #185 on: November 15, 2015, 09:55:12 AM »
Speaking of experiments I left sweet potato lines running around my still very small (inches) plant and noticed it picked up the rate of growth significantly.   It seems at this stage they grow better in dappled shade.   

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« Reply #186 on: November 15, 2015, 01:24:21 PM »
I've made an interesting observation that this plant seems to respond well to cytokine treatment. I made an experiment with 4 plants were of 2 were treated with a 30ppm solution of Zeatin with teh hopes that I could stimulate the rate of cell division in the apical meristem. One month later I'm seeing these results:



We'll see what happens in the future but I'm planning on letting the new leafs harden of then applying a second dose of 20ppm. I'll have to experiment more but maybe Garcinas have adapted to produce low amounts of plant hormones and that application on seedlings could speed up initial growth. Would be interesting to see results with GA3 and IAA too.

Interesting.  I wonder if pouring coconut milk or coconut water on Garcinias would have the desired effect, then.

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« Reply #187 on: November 15, 2015, 03:16:01 PM »

Interesting.  I wonder if pouring coconut milk or coconut water on Garcinias would have the desired effect, then.

I don't know for sure but I'm guessing the concentration would be to low for any measurable effects. However, I know for sure coconut milk was used frequently in the TC media before it got replaced by the isolated auxins and cytokinin (if I remember correctly some still use it but to a lesser extent).


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« Reply #188 on: November 15, 2015, 04:14:29 PM »
Finally have my own mex garcinias, just started poking there heads above the dirt after sitting dormant since February.

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Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
« Reply #189 on: November 19, 2015, 07:12:25 PM »
check out the time lapse of new growth emerging on Luc's Garcinia vleerackerii...one of the prettiest trees I can think of!

minerals from my well water stained the leaves and gave them a nice patina...lol they look like they're made out of copper or bronze.





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« Reply #190 on: November 19, 2015, 09:05:56 PM »
Love that 3rd photo.
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« Reply #191 on: November 21, 2015, 05:34:58 AM »
Wow! Beautiful!

I wonder who will be the first member to get LG to fruit....

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« Reply #192 on: December 04, 2015, 11:26:11 AM »
My bet is on Ed. I believe he is a few years ahead of everyone else.

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« Reply #193 on: February 12, 2016, 10:39:43 PM »
Has Luc written anywhere what the mature size is of his garcinia sp. is?

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« Reply #194 on: February 12, 2016, 11:33:21 PM »
My bet is on Ed. I believe he is a few years ahead of everyone else.

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HIs were the first to flower but didn't set fruit.
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« Reply #195 on: February 12, 2016, 11:39:39 PM »
I thought Siafu might have one flowering too?

My bet is on Ed. I believe he is a few years ahead of everyone else.

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« Reply #196 on: February 14, 2016, 07:06:11 AM »
Yesterday I went to the zoo to get scions of a beautyfull bright red reticulata I just discover last week when I took my 10 years old boy; the problem is that is inside a little Island set on a pond where is the home of the spider monkeys; to get there I have to cross the pond with hundreds of hungry carp fish,
I wasn't lucky cause the encharged Who authorized me to come back to pick the wood was out of the city; since I was there and I knew a few Lucmoncillo trees on the river, I decided to go and take a look; to my surprise I found this tree with a few small, unripe fruits and still flowering ; unusual cause usually by this time season is over; the problem with this tree is so tall that fruit is unreachable; I was lucky to find a single one perfectly ripe on the ground! It was on its prime; superb lemons sweet gelato/pye flavor/consistency; amazing fruit













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« Reply #197 on: February 14, 2016, 08:51:59 AM »
As for now my plants are doing fine.
I have divided them in two batch; the first one went in my unheated greenhouse, the second one indoor in a sunny unheated room.
Both have been doing really well since the fall.
The ones in the greenhouse have experienced a pretty long lasting cold spell (we got minimum temperature in the low 20s °F for about 10 days) so, even if i didn’t measure the temps in the greenhouse, i did expect them to have experienced regularly temps of about 34°F every night for more than a week. They didn't show any damage: only true difference from those in the warmer indoor room has been the leaf color, that turned to a nice copper/red for the plants in the greenhouse, and remained of a solid green for the plants indoor.
Can't say that this plant doesn't look promising.
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« Reply #198 on: February 14, 2016, 09:08:08 AM »
Yesterday I went to the zoo to get scions of a beautyfull bright red reticulata I just discover last week when I took my 10 years old boy; the problem is that is inside a little Island set on a pond where is the home of the spider monkeys; to get there I have to cross the pond with hundreds of hungry carp fish,
I wasn't lucky cause the encharged Who authorized me to come back to pick the wood was out of the city; since I was there and I knew a few Lucmoncillo trees on the river, I decided to go and take a look; to my surprise I found this tree with a few small, unripe fruits and still flowering ; unusual cause usually by this time season is over; the problem with this tree is so tall that fruit is unreachable; I was lucky to find a single one perfectly ripe on the ground! It was on its prime; superb lemons sweet gelato/pye flavor/consistency; amazing fruit













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« Reply #199 on: February 17, 2016, 02:44:59 AM »
For those of you that have experience growing these trees and have seen mature trees, how far would you space the trees?  Or better question is how close can I plant them
Together and be okay?  I have limited space.  I was thinking maybe 10-15 ft apart??

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