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Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« on: March 25, 2018, 02:32:07 PM »
Is there anybody out there who owns the Citrandarin PoncirusXNin-Kat-Mandarin? I keep it outdoors in ground and it is hardy at least down to -15°C
It has not bloomed yet.

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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2018, 03:26:55 PM »
Pics please!

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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2018, 05:46:15 AM »
Okay, I try to find some pics. The leaves are the size of the ones of finger lime. Narrow (1cm) mostly monofoliate and max 4cm long. I am not quite sure if it war really PTXNin-Kat or maybe PTXSunki. For a long time I thought it was Sunki, but then I found an old note that said: Nin-Kat. I gave a scion to Ilya named "PTXSunki" but I am in doubt now.

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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2018, 08:02:38 AM »
Yes, I got it from you under the name PTxSunki😊
Grafted on poncirus, it is very resistant,  not so on its own roots. It is now 2m tall,hope will flower soon. The leaves of the spring growth are narrow and fall in the autumn, while those of the second,summer flush are wider and keep green during the winter. Both are mostly monofoliate.
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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2018, 09:58:40 AM »
I will ask Bernhard when we meet again in May. He sent me seeds and I grafted the seedling on PT 10 years ago I suppose. This winter it has lost all leaves at -14°C but the wood is totally undamaged. Unprotected "Prag" aswell. And C. ichangensis IVIA lost 50% of its leaves and maybe some tips. It seems to be harder than Citrumelo 5* which lost every single leave. Ichangquat has a crack in its bark near ground and does not look very happy. I will have to high-craft it on PT. In your post, Ilya, the fruits of Ichangquat lookes very nice -do they taste as nice?

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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2018, 12:44:15 PM »
In June 2017 received a branch of PTxSunki with fruit. Much overripe fruit, but bitter butter Poncirus was not. The leaves are long and narrow like willow. The handle imparted to citrumelo - here is the growth today


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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2018, 01:21:15 PM »
Thank you Samodelkin, your picture resembels very much my plant. Narrow, serrated leaves and thorny twigs. But there is also a differenve: Mine does not have trifoliate leaves at all. Somtimes bifoliate but no more trifoliate. No poncirin sounds very good. Bitter is not a problem if it tastes good.

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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2018, 01:34:08 PM »
Robert,
Actually 5* flowers even after  loosing all leaves. This winter we had only two nights of minus 9 but with violent winds up to 80 km/hour, also  periods with snow and abrupt changes of temperature. No damage on Ichangquat, but 5* lost leaves on North Eastern side of a tree.
Fruits of Ichangquat  are rather special, but I like them, they are not particularly soar, grapefruit like bitterness and if eaten fully ripe with a skin, the taste resembles fejoa with some pine note.

Alexander (Samodelkin), leaves on your PTxSunki look exactly like on my plant



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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2018, 02:35:22 AM »
Okay, we stick with PTXSunki  ;)

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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2018, 08:10:36 AM »
The USDA has developed several root stocks using Nin Kat crosses

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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2018, 09:45:43 AM »
Interesting: "Swingle and Reece (1967) additionally noted that: "Citrandarins are much like citranges except that the mandarin orange parent greatly reduces the amount of bitter oil found in droplets inside the pulp-vesicles. In citranges this oil usually makes the fruit too bitter to eat." Thus Citrandarins should be preferred to Citranges?

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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2021, 02:20:40 AM »
Very cool finding this thread. Unfortunately I can't see your pictures.

I have successfully rooted a cutting from a bud below the graft on US 1284 rootstock (Nin-kat x poncirus) which a Xie Shan Satsuma is grafted to. I also grafted a piece to a poncirus seedling so I have two plants now. Will test the grafted one outside in zone 7a and keep the rooted cutting inside.

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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2021, 04:46:40 AM »
This year I had first flowers on a 9 years old tree grafted with budwood from Robert. Only one flower was fully developed and unfortunately the first fruit was fallen.



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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2021, 11:49:54 AM »
Ilya11,  Good things come to those who wait.  However, you always do a great job with your trees.

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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2021, 06:07:33 PM »
Thank you Millet.
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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2021, 09:58:48 AM »
Ilya, it looks like a nameless plant I`ve got from Bernhard. I sent you budwood of it some years ago. It should be one of the BV types.
Is it still alive? Could you check both if they are the same variety?
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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2021, 03:26:52 AM »
There was a narrow leaf plant among these BVs, but unfortunately it was dead after a rather mild winter.
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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2021, 12:07:17 PM »
Discovered this week two small fruits, probably from the late secondary flowering

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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2021, 09:35:18 AM »
The fruit reached maturity by now.




Good fruity smell without poncirus note, juicy, acid,  bitter like calamondin, a little bit of internal oils sticking to the dents.
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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2021, 10:55:07 AM »
The fruit reached maturity by now.




Good fruity smell without poncirus note, juicy, acid,  bitter like calamondin, a little bit of internal oils sticking to the dents.

Thank you, Ilya. Looks very nice! Mine did not flower yet but is a very nice tree with dense round crown (high grafted on poncirus) Maybe this year!

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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2021, 03:52:58 PM »
Is Nin Kat itself particularly hardy? I saw a plant in Eisenhut's garden in July.

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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2021, 07:00:44 AM »
Is Nin Kat itself particularly hardy? I saw a plant in Eisenhut's garden in July.

I am not sure, but I think I mixed up Ninkat and Sunki. I think this is PTxSunki -US812 from seed.

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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2023, 04:11:40 AM »
This spring my PTxSunki has become crazy with flowers





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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2023, 04:49:54 PM »
Ninkat x Poncirus US 1284 died to ground level for me. Coldest was 1F./-17.2C It has one sprout from the base now.

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Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2023, 06:14:45 PM »
This spring my PTxSunki has become crazy with flowers






I remain slightly confused. This is US-812?