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Seems caducous & persistent are likely terms most may recognize for "leaf replacers" & "leaf keepers".  I just monitor trees and want to know if this leaf drop is routine, or instead from weather stress, hidden root damage, root rot, moles maybe, etc.

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It's clear that deciduous and evergreen do and do not go dormant.  But what terminology describes species that replace their leaves annually versus others that seem to keep their leaves forever?  I have mangos with leaves still there at the base of a 4" dia. trunk tthat were there when the plant was 1 foot tall!  Grumichama also seems to keep all leaves forever.  But avocados clearly replace all their leaves annually.  What do we call these two types of plants?  Keepers and replacers?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Pollinator affect fruit?
« on: April 22, 2023, 03:00:41 PM »
I'm aware that when a flower is pollinated, the pollen genes impact the seed/seedling/progeny in most species.  But do the pollen genes inpact the fruit itself that grows out of the pollinated flower on the mother tree?  I thought that the pollen genes do not impact the fruit on the mother tree, on most or all species.

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Having any Fernandez seed and/or fruit this year? 

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I just wanted to extend the season from one month to two months or so.

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I want to extend the fruiting season of my Sugar Apple (Annona Squamosa). If A.) I pick off half of the early flowers, or B.) I neglect to hand pollinate them, will it produce more late flowers/fruits?  I have a couple of late fruits and I want more fruits to be late fruits.  Thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Sugar apple flowering/harvest period
« on: August 29, 2020, 08:39:15 PM »
Our Sugar Apple (Annona squamosa) fruit ripening was over after three weeks this year, 32 fruits on one tree, all delicious.  They split if left on tree but ripen with no problems, whether harvested before or after split.  We hand-pollinated these, as many as possible.  Does anyone's experience suggest removing some flowers would extend flowering/harvest period?  Thanks!

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Fruit on our Brogden tree is starting to show splits in the skin, while still on tree, and before turning black.  Also some fruit falling before turning black.  Also some fruit getting round, sunken spot at the skin cracks, but decay is slow/surfical. Now we're seeing small fly worms in these round sunken spots.  Seems these problems are avoided by picking sooner, before skin turns completely black. Extra hot & wet year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: root rot strategy
« on: August 07, 2020, 08:10:54 PM »
Just this one planting spot was a problem for several young trees while surrounding spots no problem.  No dollar weeds.  Several opportunities to see a high water table because we dig large diameter 2ft deep planting holes.  We get lots of torrential downpours but water sits on surface at most a few minutes.  We just think it's a weird abberation that this one spot kills trees but we need to plant in it and it seems digging around the root crown periodically may be an effective offensive against that root rot.  If root rot gets the extended roots way out and travels toward the crown, this strategy also gives us a chance to stop it before it reaches the crown.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / root rot strategy
« on: July 30, 2020, 08:17:14 PM »
We have a planting spot in which four young trees (1 Mamey Sapote, 2 Canistels, 1 Jamaica Cherry), planted there successively, died from root rot within a year.  So we replaced the soil there and planted a young Rollinia.  We think we should do more and remove a gallon volume of soil around the root crown for a couple of weeks, so it can dry out real good, then add it back in, twice a year for a few years.  Does anyone's experience suggest that this strategy could be helpful?

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Thanks, guys for all the help.  This is our first season with a significant number of fruit. 

If we leave our Brogden fruit on the tree after turning black, I understand they can be more vulnerable to pathogens, but does anyone's experience tell us roughly how long after turning black they tend to stay on the tree?  Days? Weeks? 

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Brogden is a Mexican - West Indies cross with thin/smooth black skin.  The skin turns black while on the tree.  Is anyone's experience that the flavor/quality is better when picked before turning black?  It seems waiting until they fall gives best flavor/quality but someone may have suggested better before turning black.

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We agree avocados can be picked any time after reaching mature size. Anyone's experience indicate any difference in flavor/quality when picked right after mature size, versus being picked right before falling from tree?

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Thanks for your thorough reply.  So it's all leaves, whole leaf, that is yellow on both acerola #2 and jackfruit #2, while each has a healthy green companion, same species/size/age nearby, without the dense oak roots.  So I really don't think the watering/fertilizer amount are at issue.  Turns out the jackfruit finally died and the root crown was girdled from soil line down 1.5 inches, that is, the outer cambium layer was gone. Below that, the root was healthy looking.  It doesn't look like the same kind of root rot I've seen on other trees because that is black, and extends into the feeder roots.  I don't think this was a mole because the familiar tunnel indicators are nowhere in sight.  I dug down on the acerola to look for same symptoms under soil line, and that root crown looks healthy. 

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I'm seeing persistent yellow of all leaves on one of two young jackfruit plants, and same thing with acerola plants.  The one jackfruit and the one acerola with the yellow leaves may have roots of large oak trees strangling their roots.  When the soil dries around their trunks, it is very hard, and I'm mostly sure this is due to a very dense root mass surrounding the trunk.  I cut the soil vertically down one foot with a saw in a diameter of 1.5 feet around the trees to sever the trunks of this possible oak root mass, and two weeks later I don't see any changes in the plants with yellow leaves.  Other plants have had root rot in this area of the yard but the root rot symptoms are immediate death, not persistently yellow leaves.  Has anyone seen this symptom? 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / cover crops: chop when live or dead?
« on: April 16, 2020, 10:38:26 AM »
Permaculture practice in a food forest allows wild plants to grow, then we cut them so leaves/stems become mulch on top and roots become compost under ground.  We have lots of wild annuals that we ask if it's better to cut them while green or just let them mature/die.  Hay is more nutrition as animal feed than straw, so we assume cutting green is better but can we have the nutrition breakdown gathered by the great scientific/industrial machine in the sky?  It may be that when plants mature/die, the nutrition elements are drawn back down into the roots.  We suspect that only nitrogen is lost to the atmosphere.  So what are the answers?  This informs our choice of when to cut these plants.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / muscadine grape pruning
« on: April 11, 2020, 09:03:12 PM »
I want to extend the length of my muscadine grape cordons, the main vines that extend horizonally.  How do I choose between two options:1) a larger, longer new shoot some 16" - 20" before the end of the current cordon, or a smaller, shorter new shoot some 2" - 3" before the end of the current cordon?  Seems both choices have trade-offs so I imagine maybe whichever one gives the longest total length at mid-season?  This question arises every time we want to extend our cordon length, so it's important.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Nets for protecting guava from fruit fly
« on: April 05, 2020, 07:46:32 PM »
Any recommendations for nets to cover red cattley guava trees to protect from fruit fly? Assuming carribean fruit fly but have not actually seen flies.  Larvae look like fruit fly. Eggs are laid when fruits are green, and fruit is ruined before full ripening.  All fruits are ruined, every year.  Bonning suggested pruning in fall, forcing winter fruiting, but winters too cold apparently for fruit to develop.  Too many fruits to bag.  Must use net.  Thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mango graft flowers and won't leaf
« on: February 20, 2020, 10:22:03 PM »
If possible can you post a clear picture of it?

Sorry, I'm focus-challenged still on the camera. The Nam Doc Mai has just two to three nodes about 5 in. above the graft union, so a total of 10 in. tall.  Those nodes have sprouted big flower stems twice in two years and I picked them off.  But now, a week after posting - surprise - it's leaf budding big time.  So, despite my other Nam Doc Mai, Cookie Monster is right that some are just slow to leaf.  Is this one a #4 variety of Nam Doc Mai?  I don't know.  Thanks guys!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rollinia bark disease
« on: February 20, 2020, 10:11:22 PM »
My rollinia, about 6 ft tall, 1 inch dia. trunk, very healthy, vigorous, in November 2019 after 1 year in ground developed this cambium layer fungal deterioration under the bark in many spots along the trunk, and all branches were devastated by this so I ended up with nothing but a trunk.  In January 2020 the trunk started leaf budding again, so now, Feb, a few new branches are growing on out.  This was after my first rollinia (5 ft tall) died completely from this fungus along the trunk (with a dozen young fruit on it!).  Since my newest tree is surviving, I think if one gives them special treatment, like cover the trunk with moss to protect from sun, lower the soil PH like some guys said (oak leaves, etc), mulch heavily like some said, water well, maybe it can tolerate the fungus.  I know they have extremely shallow root systems - I've seen large rollinias easily knocked over by wind.  Thanks everone for the input.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / mango graft flowers and won't leaf
« on: February 19, 2020, 11:16:45 AM »
My grafted Nam Doc Mai mango I planted May 2018 from 1 gallon pot is only 10 inches tall and both winters flowered big, but it doesn't want to leaf out.  It's healthy obviously to flower like that.  So are there defective scions sometimes that will never grow vegetatively and only want to flower?  Do I need to replace this tree?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rollinia bark disease
« on: December 28, 2019, 10:04:12 PM »
Has it ever had frost damage? I have had what looked like very slight damage to a trunk before that then rotted from underneath.

Never any frost damage on this second tree.  But it is rotted looking, dark brown/black under the paper-thin outer bark layer, but the heartwood is preserved, so this is the 1/8" cambium layer, I think.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rollinia bark disease
« on: December 28, 2019, 10:01:19 PM »
Rollinias here very susceptible to borer beetles. Did you dig down to make sure there are no holes? If not beetles then probably Har is right and it's sunburn. They are not very susceptible to fungus, as far as i know.

I'm sure there is no insect boring.  It's the cambium layer, about 1/8" layer between the paper-thin outer bark and the heartwood. This cambium layer kind of disappears.  Imagine the outer layer of bark losing its cylindrical curvature and instead it goes flat.  It's because the cambium under it disappeared.  Very strange.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rollinia bark disease
« on: December 26, 2019, 01:24:34 AM »
xmario, the 2 rolinnias were 2 to 3 years old when planted, and died 1 to 2 years later, so 5 to 6 ft tall trees, trunk diameter 3/4" to 1 ", vigorously growing, even fruiting when killed by the fungus.  I think they were as healthy as they could be, so this is a fungus they have no defense against, out of their native range.  Florida is full of crazy pathogens.

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Are you concerned your banana root mat will suffer if you cull the larger pups?  It's possible it needs a minimum of green leaves above ground.  I ask because competition between stalks in the mat weakens each stalk.  Except when a stalk is done fruiting we're left with just one small pup, so should we keep a larger pup for the benefit of the root mat?

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