A visit in Chatuchak market in Bkk

[msk0072]

Wiiliam you have the answer to my question about the mango in my picture:
Topic: Golden Queen Mango? : http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=851.50

I found a little background history on the Jin Huang ( aka: Golden Queen, Elephant ) Mango.  and according to this article Jin_Huang parents are "White" and "Keitt". which i find a bit strange,  not sure what the "White" variety looks like, but Jin-Huang looks more like an over grown Nam Doc Mai, and I remember coming across a post somewhere saying it was a chance seedling of NDM.

http://enquarterly.tzuchiculture.org.tw/?mod=tc_monthly_en&act=detail&id=94

Ok I think i have finally solved this mystery,  the "white" mango is called "Nang Klang Wan"   so Golden Queen is a cross between Nang Klang Wan and Keitt. also found out it is poly embryonic .
This mango sure looks like the Ivory.  which would explain the "White" translation from the other website.

I think the mangos are the same.

[Fruitguy]

In Thailand, everything is negotiable.  I was told that it is almost an insult NOT to try and bargain down the price.   ... 

I don't know who told you that, but it's not true. They will very gladly take your money! All of it!!  It's customary to quote farangs (foreigners) prices 2 to 4x normal price. So if you pay it they will just smile and take your money.

I was told that by a native Thai.  The belief stems from the thinking that if you (as the buyer) do not play the game of negotiation, then you either think you are too good or too rich to negotiate.  That is where the insult stems from.  It probably relates to fellow Thais more than foreigners as you are correct in that the vendors will happily take the inflated initial offering price. 

[TropicalFruitHunters]

More likely that once the conversion to dollars is completed, we are so astounded at the low cost, we gladly fork over the money!!  It helps have a mother-in-law in tow who would negotiate anything to death!!   

[fruitlovers]

In Thailand, everything is negotiable.  I was told that it is almost an insult NOT to try and bargain down the price.   ... 

I don't know who told you that, but it's not true. They will very gladly take your money! All of it!!  It's customary to quote farangs (foreigners) prices 2 to 4x normal price. So if you pay it they will just smile and take your money.

I was told that by a native Thai.  The belief stems from the thinking that if you (as the buyer) do not play the game of negotiation, then you either think you are too good or too rich to negotiate.  That is where the insult stems from.  It probably relates to fellow Thais more than foreigners as you are correct in that the vendors will happily take the inflated initial offering price.

They will not think you are too good or too rich, but too retarded. HAHA

[fruitlovers]

More likely that once the conversion to dollars is completed, we are so astounded at the low cost, we gladly fork over the money!!  It helps have a mother-in-law in tow who would negotiate anything to death!!   

That comes under the too rich category. I'm sure once you're living in Thailand you won't think that way any more!

[Jackfruitwhisperer69]

Hi Mike,
Thanks a bunch for sharing them pics...i really enjoyed them all The prices for them fruits trees are crazy  But, i wouldn't buy any...how do you know what you are buying is the real deal? They say it's this mango cv, then turns out to be, something totally different I reckon it's best to buy trees from certified nurseries and not run the risk of buying trash

[fruitlovers]

Hi Mike,
Thanks a bunch for sharing them pics...i really enjoyed them all The prices for them fruits trees are crazy  But, i wouldn't buy any...how do you know what you are buying is the real deal? They say it's this mango cv, then turns out to be, something totally different I reckon it's best to buy trees from certified nurseries and not run the risk of buying trash

Hi Stephen, it's like anywhere else: you build up a relationship with a vendor, you know you can trust them after having done business with them over time, and there is no fear that they won't sell you the real deal. What is problematic are those one time purchases...especially when vendor knows they'll never see your face again, and there is almost zero communication between buyer and seller due to language barrier. Mike T gave a list of nurseries in various parts of Thailand that was quite good. For one time purchases it's much safer to deal with them than to go to a general market like Chatuchak.

[Fruitguy]

It helps have a mother-in-law in tow who would negotiate anything to death!!   

Very true! And one who enjoys fruit as much (or more) than we do! I see that Dad is now on FB as well. :-)

[samuel]

Mike T gave a list of nurseries in various parts of Thailand that was quite good.

what is the link for that post?

Thanks

[bangkok]

There are 2 brothers on chatuchack who both have the same to offer in 2 shops and sell mango-tree's for many years there. I forgot their companyname but they are at the ringroad where the car drives (very annoying) and it is on the side of JJ-mall. Close to the vendors who all sit under that big roof where no cars can come. That area also sells many fake flowers from plastic.

If they sell the real deal i don't know but i bought some there in the past. They ask 500 baht or more for new species. Good luck finding them 

If you just walk the ringroad (like the cars) then they are at the opposit site of the main entrance if you arrivr there by skytrain.

[msk0072]

Hi Mike,
Thanks a bunch for sharing them pics...i really enjoyed them all The prices for them fruits trees are crazy  But, i wouldn't buy any...how do you know what you are buying is the real deal? They say it's this mango cv, then turns out to be, something totally different I reckon it's best to buy trees from certified nurseries and not run the risk of buying trash

You never can be sure there. It’s a trust deal. Some time they write the names on the leafs of the plants. (I will put pictures here as example, translator is needed ) I suppose the Thai customers must be happy, also. When you have the translation maybe is too late. Better you go there with some one who knows the language. If they know your visit is one time visit the will sell to you other cheaper varieties. You just know that the plant is a mango, starfruit, rambuttan etc unknown variety and hopping you got what you was looking for. If not you lost the time of waiting to harvest some fantastic fruit of a very good variety like Patrick (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=4196.msg58068#msg58068). About the money you have spent, trink one beer less with your friends .

[fruitlovers]

Everything in Thailand goes so much easier with a Thai translator with you. If the translator happens to be your mother in law that's even better, because nobody wants to mess with a mother in law. HAHA

[Jackfruitwhisperer69]

Hi Oscar,
For sure...if you are a frequent buyer and you know the vendor is trustworthy, there is no proplem. The general markets are great for buying exotic orchids, like Mokara(Arachnis x Ascocentrum x Vanda) and other ornamental plants. Fruit trees...certified nurseries for sure. I would stay away from ultra tropicals like Durian, i wouldn't dare to kill the king. 

Hi Mike,
Yeah, the language barrier is vast and super difficult to comprehend...it would be better to learn a bit of Thai, before going on a vacation or hire a translator, which would be much easier. For me, i would learn few words that would help the day by day, situations and that doesn't include swear words From what i have been told...to learn a language, you should learn the swear words first

As i have said before, certified nursery would be best and you will get the real deal...it would really suck, if you go through the works of smuggling them trees and they turn out to be trash, oh boy

[msk0072]

Mango tree labels in the market




Who can translate?

[Jackfruitwhisperer69]

Hi Mike,
I know, I know...It's Maha Chanok and Okrung :-) Just kidding

[msk0072]

Hi Mike,
I know, I know...It's Maha Chanok and Okrung :-) Just kidding

If not I have an open bussines with the seller! 
HAHA

[bangkok]

Mango tree labels in the market




Who can translate?

My Thai wife cannot read it.....so i guess it will be a surprise when your tree's have fruits.

[msk0072]

My Thai wife cannot read it.....so i guess it will be a surprise when your tree's have fruits.

Maybe this way : Upside down