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Quote from: sapote on March 27, 2015, 07:20:13 PMPug,Your Maha looks great. Do the brands that carried last year fruit have new flower or new growth? My Maha had 2 fruits last year and those brands have not had any new buds at all – just the old leaves. The main trunk below those brands did send out new shoots with tons of flowers but I don’t want fruits this year. Dear God, give me new mango growth, not fruits SapoteDo you have excalibur version of Maha, or Zill version? This will make a significant difference as to what you can expect. Excalibur's version is VERY slow growing but sets loads of awesome fruit. Zills version is pretty vigorous. I have not had the fruit from the zill version yet. The taste of the ones off my excalibur version are super sweet with dark orange flesh with no resinous flavor and very little fiber. I have gotten 1 growth flush in over 2 years, it just keeps flowering and setting loads of fruit. I suppose I could pick up the watering schedule a bit
Pug,Your Maha looks great. Do the brands that carried last year fruit have new flower or new growth? My Maha had 2 fruits last year and those brands have not had any new buds at all – just the old leaves. The main trunk below those brands did send out new shoots with tons of flowers but I don’t want fruits this year. Dear God, give me new mango growth, not fruits Sapote
There is only ONE Mahachanok. No matter who propagates or sells it, it is Mahachanok. The variables are the rootstock, soil/potting mix used, fertilizer used, growing location, watering amount/frequency/duration, climatic care and any other care related manners. With that being said, there is only ONE type/version/"variety" of Mahachanok.Oh, the Mahachanok that TT sells most likely came from Excalibur.
There is a difference between zills and excalibur because I own both of them and can see the difference. Sorry Rob, you are not always right. Most times you are right, but sometimes you may not know for sure but write as if you do.
The original article is not online anymore, but here is the excerpt that I had harvested way back when. Apparently the thai have multiple clones of their popular cultivars."Among the well-known off-season mangoes are 'Sam Ruedu' (a cultivar that bears off-season fruits) and 'Nam Dok Mai' Thawai #4, 'Phimsen Man' Thawai, 'Ok Rong' Thawai, 'Man Duean Kao Thawai' and 'Chok Anan Thawai', all of which are clones of normal-bearing mangoes"
Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 31, 2015, 07:04:23 PMThe original article is not online anymore, but here is the excerpt that I had harvested way back when. Apparently the thai have multiple clones of their popular cultivars."Among the well-known off-season mangoes are 'Sam Ruedu' (a cultivar that bears off-season fruits) and 'Nam Dok Mai' Thawai #4, 'Phimsen Man' Thawai, 'Ok Rong' Thawai, 'Man Duean Kao Thawai' and 'Chok Anan Thawai', all of which are clones of normal-bearing mangoes"I understand and agree with what you said however i have never seen any publication stating or even hinting there are different sub-cultivars of Mahachanok.
Quote from: mangomaniac2 on March 31, 2015, 07:24:36 PMThere is a difference between zills and excalibur because I own both of them and can see the difference. Sorry Rob, you are not always right. Most times you are right, but sometimes you may not know for sure but write as if you do.Why dont you ask both Gary Zill and Richard Wilson where Gary got his original Mahachanok from (that would also imply you know both of them which i am pretty sure i know the answer). That would also assume and imply they would even give you the time of day with your questions. You dont have to believe me as i can see you clearly know more but in case you are interested, it came from Richard. You dont always know what you are talking about. I have two Mahachanok that are the same age, both from Excalibur, and they have two distinct different growth habits. As i said above, rootstock can make a huge difference.
There are multiple clonesCheck out my last mango tastingLast year. Leo Manual had a mahachanok before Excalibur http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12517.25
Quote from: bsbullie on March 31, 2015, 08:05:35 PMQuote from: Cookie Monster on March 31, 2015, 07:04:23 PMThe original article is not online anymore, but here is the excerpt that I had harvested way back when. Apparently the thai have multiple clones of their popular cultivars."Among the well-known off-season mangoes are 'Sam Ruedu' (a cultivar that bears off-season fruits) and 'Nam Dok Mai' Thawai #4, 'Phimsen Man' Thawai, 'Ok Rong' Thawai, 'Man Duean Kao Thawai' and 'Chok Anan Thawai', all of which are clones of normal-bearing mangoes"I understand and agree with what you said however i have never seen any publication stating or even hinting there are different sub-cultivars of Mahachanok.So what is maha-65? That is likely a maha variant.
I thought the topic was focusing on the MCs from Florida. I think its quite feasible for someone in CA to have MC before Florida. As to your " clones," are they from multiple seedlings from a single MC seed? Plus one of those fruit labled as MC does not look like the fruit i have or seen posted as MC. Looks pointed...Quote from: JF on March 31, 2015, 08:17:52 PMThere are multiple clonesCheck out my last mango tastingLast year. Leo Manual had a mahachanok before Excalibur http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12517.25
Quote from: jc on March 31, 2015, 08:57:48 PMI thought the topic was focusing on the MCs from Florida. I think its quite feasible for someone in CA to have MC before Florida. As to your " clones," are they from multiple seedlings from a single MC seed? Plus one of those fruit labled as MC does not look like the fruit i have or seen posted as MC. Looks pointed...Quote from: JF on March 31, 2015, 08:17:52 PMThere are multiple clonesCheck out my last mango tastingLast year. Leo Manual had a mahachanok before Excalibur http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12517.25the topic is *Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...*but we are talking about Mahachanok in general and when I first saw Leo's tree and the fruits a few years ago I immediately notice a striking differences between Excalibur and even Harry's fruits.. So I ask Leo about his source and the age of the tree......btw, I've posted pix in different threads in this forum of the MC tree and fruits.. The other three seedlings I have are from Florida so I couldn't tell you if they were multiple seedlings from a single MC seed.
And did Leo mention how he obtained his MC? Please define clone for us. I only understand clone to mean genetically identical. In the case of mango seeds i, and many of us, are under the impression that clones only come from polyembryonic seeds. There will be multiple embryos then multiple seedlings from one seed. One seedling is sexually derived and genetically different from the parent. The rest of the seedlings are genetically identical to the parent. Please tell us if there were multiple seedlings and how we know the clone seedlings were selected vs the genetically identical seedling. Maybe I'm confused but, Harry has a 3 MC seeds all planted in one hole. All three seedlings are different from each other as well as there parent. Quote from: JF on March 31, 2015, 09:31:13 PMQuote from: jc on March 31, 2015, 08:57:48 PMI thought the topic was focusing on the MCs from Florida. I think its quite feasible for someone in CA to have MC before Florida. As to your " clones," are they from multiple seedlings from a single MC seed? Plus one of those fruit labled as MC does not look like the fruit i have or seen posted as MC. Looks pointed...Quote from: JF on March 31, 2015, 08:17:52 PMThere are multiple clonesCheck out my last mango tastingLast year. Leo Manual had a mahachanok before Excalibur http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12517.25the topic is *Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...*but we are talking about Mahachanok in general and when I first saw Leo's tree and the fruits a few years ago I immediately notice a striking differences between Excalibur and even Harry's fruits.. So I ask Leo about his source and the age of the tree......btw, I've posted pix in different threads in this forum of the MC tree and fruits.. The other three seedlings I have are from Florida so I couldn't tell you if they were multiple seedlings from a single MC seed.
I assumed, based on my reading and observation of MC seeds, that all MC seeds were mono, thus there could only be one MC grown from seed, the original.