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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How many trees do you have and how big is your property?
« on: June 03, 2012, 02:33:52 PM »
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Sulfur and copper are both used as a fungicide. It would not be beneficial to spray both at once...in fact it would be detrimental.Why would you be applying both sulfur and copper at the same time ?
Trying to have an all-in-one foliar spray. I have 30+ fruit trees / plants and one sprayer.
"Wow, that looks way underripe for a Glenn. Have your other Glens started to color up any ? I know its not but the inside looks like a Carrie."I was not questioning your knowledge that it was ripe or not ripe, just stating a fact that it was very much underripe. I am surprised that you feel your Glenns are several weeks from being ready. While not all Glenns are ready here (though they should be beginning or in the middle of harvest by now), all of what I have seen have significantly more color to them.
Hi Rob, I think you might have misunderstood me...I picked that Glenn knowing it was NOT ripe and completely green because it had a defect (there was a cut on the back side of it). None of my Glenns or Cogshall have colored up yet...still several weeks before any of them are ripe.
I was lucky the Glenn ripened enough to eat since it was very green when I picked it. It wasn't as sweet as I would have liked but good enough to eat. BTW, I'm one of the minority here. Ya, this one is for sure a Glenn. Especially since Every Carrie I've ever tasted (not that many to be fair) I have NOT liked. I'm not a fan of Carrie mango so far...I've not tasted any I liked.
I was calling around to get some prices on a dwarf/semi dwarf papaya and found the prices pretty steep (at least I thought they were) HD had them for just $34.99 for just under 2 gallon size and my local nursery had for the same price. I had NO idea they were that much. I decided to see if Walmart carried papaya and found a one gallon of Red Lady for $7.50!!! Wow...couldn't believe the difference in price even though it was half the pot size. I could buy almost 5 containers for the price of one.What do you mean by dwarf ? Red Lady papayas are not what I would consider a dwarf. It is also important to know the propagation method of the papaya...which I do not think you would be able to determine by purchasing from a big box store.
I'm beginning to wonder if this is the same variety? Are ALL Lady Red papaya dwarf/semi dwarf?? Thanks!
Dmouse, after seeing your pictures on how short the trunk was on yours I decided to measure mine. It's very similar to yours also...it measures appx. 11"from the first branching. This will definitely help keeping it short and bushy the way I like my trees. I really like the way this nursery grafts them very low especially for the more vigorous varieties.That tree was grafted by Zills...that is their yellow tag.
BTW, my friend purchased my LM (PPK) from the Lowe's too...she gave me the receipt so I have a 1 yr. guarantee on the tree. The tag that came with mine is from the same nursery you mention
"Nature's Way Nursery of Miami"
BTW, how do you guys post your pictures "large" on the screen? mine comes out as a clickable thumbnail. Thanks!
I mixed Copper Solution and Iron Solution together in my sprayer hoping to save time. The mixture turned brown (probably rust) from a chemical reaction between the copper and iron solutions. I would like to make a one mixture foliar spray that's good for everything. Can you mix the sulpher solution with the copper without a chemical reaction?Why would you be applying both sulfur and copper at the same time ?
From what I have seen, my guess is that they would also treat developers differently than an individual, and not necessarily in a good way.I won't argue that point,being that that is your business,bought dealing with Davie and Broward county I can tell you it is not cheap or fun,I know of many developers who would agree,guess price is all relative,but I don't think we will ever see a better buying opportunity in our lifetimes than we have right now especially for acreage,the best part is that we now have a property appraiser that is friendly to tax exempt true agricultural properties.that is a good thing.It is not that costly to have it replatted/carved out so long as you are not changing the zoning use. As this is what I do, should you go this route I can assist on helping with the carveout and/or replatting if necessary.I sat on the planning and zoning board for Davie as its chairman for 8 years, I can tell you that the properties in the acreage section out west are starting to sell like hotcakes,many properties are way undervalued,The main problem you may face Harry,is that in order to subdivide the property it would have to be re-platted which makes the cost very prohibitive,but should you ever have an issue or a problem with the town,give me a call, I would be glad to help you in anyway I can,But remember today the way these banks are operating it is probably more difficult to get a straight answer from the bank than to deal with the town.MikeMy property is 2.39 acres. Of course the house, driveway, patio/pool and large ficus trees take up a considerable portion of the planting area. I have somewhere just over 300 trees planted out. Of course, lots more small stuff in pots. I would love to get a hold of the 2.5 acres behind my house. It is part of a 10 acre tract that just went into foreclosure last year. That is a bit of a pipe dream, but if the bank can't sell the whole 10 acre tract as a result of the weak real estate market, I am hoping they might like to carve a portion of the land with least access and sell it for a bargain basement price. If that ever happens, I will really be dangerous.Harry - market is not that weak, especially for the buyers. Is the entire 10 vacant? Is the 2.5 acre tract a separate parcel (with its own folio)? Chances are the bank will not waste their time with carving out a piece like that. If it is within your budget, you may be better off going after the whole thing and then selling off remaining 7.5 acres.
Harry
I would venture to say it depends on what and when the property was bought,back in 05-07 most acres out in west davie sold between 300k-400k per acre,obviously way cheaper now,but that property could be carrying an astronomical mortgage, it is very difficult to get a lot of these banks to budge on the difference between the note they carry and todays lower values,I know for a fact that many properties in west Davie are being snapped up by investors who realize there is very little buildable acreage left in Broward county,West Davie is virtually at buildout with the exceptions of a few dozen small acreage lots like Harry is describing,the only available lots for developers are 10 acres or less which again makes the cost of developing in this market suicidal. When I bought my home out here in 1996 the avg unbuilt acre sold for about 30k watch it go up 10 fold+ in less than 10 years,if I only had a crystal ball!!!True (and I watched the same thing in the Pine Tree Estates section of Parkland) but if this is still vacant there is usually much more wiggle room for negotiations from the banks. It is all about having the right people handling the negotiations for you. the banks, or I should say their investors, do not want to sit on property even though sometimes they act as if they do. The sometimes poor negotiations can be thanked to the bailout monsy that was GIVEN away years back...
It is not that costly to have it replatted/carved out so long as you are not changing the zoning use. As this is what I do, should you go this route I can assist on helping with the carveout and/or replatting if necessary.I sat on the planning and zoning board for Davie as its chairman for 8 years, I can tell you that the properties in the acreage section out west are starting to sell like hotcakes,many properties are way undervalued,The main problem you may face Harry,is that in order to subdivide the property it would have to be re-platted which makes the cost very prohibitive,but should you ever have an issue or a problem with the town,give me a call, I would be glad to help you in anyway I can,But remember today the way these banks are operating it is probably more difficult to get a straight answer from the bank than to deal with the town.MikeMy property is 2.39 acres. Of course the house, driveway, patio/pool and large ficus trees take up a considerable portion of the planting area. I have somewhere just over 300 trees planted out. Of course, lots more small stuff in pots. I would love to get a hold of the 2.5 acres behind my house. It is part of a 10 acre tract that just went into foreclosure last year. That is a bit of a pipe dream, but if the bank can't sell the whole 10 acre tract as a result of the weak real estate market, I am hoping they might like to carve a portion of the land with least access and sell it for a bargain basement price. If that ever happens, I will really be dangerous.Harry - market is not that weak, especially for the buyers. Is the entire 10 vacant? Is the 2.5 acre tract a separate parcel (with its own folio)? Chances are the bank will not waste their time with carving out a piece like that. If it is within your budget, you may be better off going after the whole thing and then selling off remaining 7.5 acres.
Harry
Thanks Samuel, it was very tastyTime is relevant to location those growing tropicals in the great white north.
Wow...another late blooming mango tree...blooming in June? Good luck, hope it matures before it gets too cold in your area.
I wanted to post about my first ripe mango of 2012... One of my potted Glenn fruits had some type of injury ( a deep cut on a small section) so I decided to pick it 4 days ago even thought it was very green in case it started to rot. I thought I would take a chance and see if it will ripen on the counter, although the color on the outside never changed it did start to soften up and was starting to have a nice aroma. I decided to cut it open today... I was pleasantly surprised the inside was a nice yellow, very juicy and was pretty sweet (not as sweet of course had I left it on the tree to ripen a little more), but considering it was very green I was very happy with the taste...tasted better than any mango from the store.Wow, that looks way underripe for a Glenn. Have your other Glens started to color up any ? I know its not but the inside looks like a Carrie.
Can't wait to taste the others...hope the varmints don't beat me to it!!
My property is 2.39 acres. Of course the house, driveway, patio/pool and large ficus trees take up a considerable portion of the planting area. I have somewhere just over 300 trees planted out. Of course, lots more small stuff in pots. I would love to get a hold of the 2.5 acres behind my house. It is part of a 10 acre tract that just went into foreclosure last year. That is a bit of a pipe dream, but if the bank can't sell the whole 10 acre tract as a result of the weak real estate market, I am hoping they might like to carve a portion of the land with least access and sell it for a bargain basement price. If that ever happens, I will really be dangerous.Harry - market is not that weak, especially for the buyers. Is the entire 10 vacant? Is the 2.5 acre tract a separate parcel (with its own folio)? Chances are the bank will not waste their time with carving out a piece like that. If it is within your budget, you may be better off going after the whole thing and then selling off remaining 7.5 acres.
Harry
So you requested pineapple and responded with check into getting other types of materials from other types of species from Miami? And all because you "ordered" from then 22 years ago??I too have received pineapple plants from them but on my last attempt a couple weeks ago they sent me this message:How difficult was it to get them and how long did it take?It was actually pretty easy to get them. I can't remember how long it took but maybe around a month or so after I submitted for them. I've request material about 3 times and have gotten what was available every time. My last order I was attempting to get cuttings from many of the different breadfruit cultivars and root them to find one that may do better in FL. I also got two pineapples that time, Cambray and Jamaica Sugar.
Out of the 8 or so breadfruit cuttings, only 3 rooted. I think I will start back my endeavors to find a suitable breadfruit for FL...
Aloha Mr. Sidaway:
Thank you for your interest in plant germplasm at the Hilo site.
The pineapple you requested are not available for distribution as it is stated no-available on the GRIN site:
1 HANA 7 - HILO - Ananas comosus var. comosus - NO-AVAIL
2 HANA 11 - HILO - Ananas comosus var. comosus - NO-AVAIL
3 HANA 13 - HILO - Ananas comosus var. comosus - NO-AVAIL
4 HANA 15 - HILO - Ananas comosus var. comosus - NO-AVAIL
5 HANA 17 - HILO - Ananas comosus var. comosus - NO-AVAIL
6 HANA 21 - HILO - Ananas comosus var. comosus - NO-AVAIL
7 HANA 23 - HILO - Ananas comosus var. comosus - NO-AVAIL
8 HANA 29 - HILO - Ananas comosus var. comosus - NO-AVAIL
9 HANA 30 - HILO - Ananas comosus var. comosus - NO-AVAIL
10 HANA 31 - HILO - Ananas comosus var. comosus - NO-AVAIL
11 HANA 51 - HILO - Ananas comosus var. comosus - NO-AVAIL
12 HANA 57 - HILO - Ananas comosus var. comosus - NO-AVAIL
Our current priority is to initiate our pineapple accessions into long term storage and through disease screening. Our records showed that we sent you 7 accessions of pineapple in 1990,and I hope they are doing well.
I would suggest for you to check with the USDA/ARS Horticulture station in Miami for the availability of carambola, litchi and rambutan scion wood. If they have those plants in Miami, you will not have to go through the plant quarantine treatments and inspection required for interstate transportation of plant materials; this is especially critical with the litchi plant materials because of the presence of erinose gall mite in Hawaii.
I guaranty you it has been done by some. Again, I didn't say I recommended it. One this I wonder is what is the true time period that it stays in the tree, or if it ever really dissipates. For instance, if the tree had no fruit and you used it today, would it still effect the fruit setting next year ?If you are going with pesticides, and so long as you don't mind a disagreement from a certain Sheemodhan, Imidacloprid, in the form of Bayer Advanced fruit and vegetable (available at Home Depot), drenches, 2x per year, as well as a commercial product or two available at Winfield Solutions, are your pest bet to keep these in control (do NOT spray the tree with Imidacloprid, it is meant to be used as a drench, not a foliar spray). Other methods of attack are the "squish" method, the "leave it alone" method, or researching and "trying" your hand with beneficial nematodes.
A systemic on a lychee tree in the ground? That's insane! As Oscar said above, you'll be eating that imidacloprid with the fruit.
There are benefical nematodes that you can buy online that may work to combat the larvae of the weevil. Check out Arbico Organic's line of beneficial nematodes to try and combat the problem in a safer way.
I used beneficial nematodes a few years ago at my mom's house when the weevils were attacking my Indian jujube tree and the following season I barely had a problem with them. It's not an instant fix but I rather not deal with those poisons on fruit trees in the ground that I may be eating fruit from in the future. All of those chemicals like sevin and imidacloprid are linked to killing beneficial insects and are possible carcinogens.
Has anyone tried neem oil on the Sri Lankan weevil? I'm sure it doesn't kill them but might reduce future populations by hampering their mating? I wonder also what controls are used in Sri Lanka against this pest? Doesn't seem like this is well researched? Surprising given they've been in Florida for 12 years.Problem is that its not always easy to spot the vermin. From what I have noticed they must do a lot of damage at night, so spraying neem may be difficult. If seen during the day, spraying neem could wind up doing more damage to the leaves than the weevils.
I don't think Imidacloprid is advised for use on fruiting trees. If you drench the tree with Imidacloprid you will end up eating it in the fruit. This chemical is systemic and enters the whole plant, including the fruit. So you get rid of the bug but end up slowly poisoning yourself. Another case of the medicine being worse than the disease.
No, I don't know their origin and yes, I agree that it makes no sense. I ask them if the mean the americana or even the mamee apple but both insisted it was a sap and they purchased a sap, so who knows...possibly just misinformed and weren't interested in learning??Shmuraeehan - I have had a couple of customers ask about mamey sapodilla when referring to sapodilla. If my memory is correct, their ethnicity was from the Caribbean islands.
As far as recommendations, Hasya is excellent and Alano is a very consistent quality sap (at least in SFla). I would stay away from Silas Woods mainly due to its small size (low flesh to seed/skin ratio).
That's interesting. I'm not sure if I've ever heard anyone ask about mamey sapodilla at the nursery. Do you know which Caribbean island they were from? In Trinidad for example they call the Mammea americana, Mamey sapote (pronounced 'see poat') but you said they were referring to sapodilla so I am not sure.
I think you should just get a vigorous variety (or 2!) and take good care of it, and in two years it'll be a good size tree.Even if he goes with a vigorous variety, such as a Valencia Pride, it will still be relatively small even in two years unless he starts with a significant sized tree to begin with. I guess it all depends on his actual wants/needs. The other problem with a vigorous grower is that it will eventually get HUGE. He may not want a mango the size of a VP once it hits the 10-15 year old range. While it makes a great shade tree and produces a heavy crop, harvesting the top of the tree when it achieves it potential height could be very difficult or costly.
Unfortunately I don't know the reason why, maybe the white pigment, don't know. On citrus, it keeps the leaf miner away specifically (as this is the most common attacker of citrus in Florida)...as a matter of fact it seems to keep all leaf attacking pests away. On the guava, again the leaves seem to be free from attack and most important, it keeps the fruit borers away.The best citrus for immunity from pests are the variegated varieties, Centennial Kumquat, Variegated Pink Lemon and Variegated Red Navel. The Centennial Kumquat is a heavy producer and the Variegated Pink Lemon is also a consistent producer. I do not have any proven info on the Variegated Red Navel.
It is the fact the plants are variegated that keeps the pests away. This is also true of the Variegated Guava.
Do you know why the variegation keeps pests away? What pests specifically?
The sri lankan weevils are devouring the new growth ( and the old) on my lychee: The weevils haven't eaten anything else-If you are going with pesticides, and so long as you don't mind a disagreement from a certain Sheemodhan, Imidacloprid, in the form of Bayer Advanced fruit and vegetable (available at Home Depot), drenches, 2x per year, as well as a commercial product or two available at Winfield Solutions, are your pest bet to keep these in control (do NOT spray the tree with Imidacloprid, it is meant to be used as a drench, not a foliar spray). Other methods of attack are the "squish" method, the "leave it alone" method, or researching and "trying" your hand with beneficial nematodes.
I broke down and sprayed some Seven. Is anyone else having this problem?
Thanks, Noel for the pictures. Glad to have had you, Adiel, Sleepdoc and Dr. Fixembones over today to taste some fruit and wander the yard. The mango crop is just beginning and I am sorry to say that so far, everything we've tasted mango-wise has been washed out in flavor to some degree. Some more than others, but aside from being a very poor year for production in numbers, the flavors have been washed out by a month of steady, everyday rain. Looks like it will be a good year for the dehydrator to reconcentrate those mango flavors. Jakfruit, on the other hand, are plentiful and quite tasty.You mean you don't have a room of your own there ? Harry probably looks at you as his son or brother
Harry
So I am guessing you were not glad to see me! Lol