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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafted vs. Air-Layered
« on: June 28, 2012, 01:11:55 PM »
I think a one minute period would constitute a gust no?
Nope...click on link below and scroll down to "Hurricane/Typhoon"

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutgloss.shtml

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafted vs. Air-Layered
« on: June 28, 2012, 01:00:14 PM »
The NHC measures sustained winds over a one minute period, not a 10 minute period.

By the way, for anyone who wants to get technical, here is some good reading.

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/MWR3454.1

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafted vs. Air-Layered
« on: June 28, 2012, 11:58:38 AM »
bsbullie -- From what I've read wind speed is not measured on the ground. Rather it's measured 10 meters (33 feet) above the ground. It therefore stands to reason that wind speed near the ground (eg, 12 feet or less off the ground) is much less, due to interference with trees, structures, etc. So, keeping a normally 30 foot high tree to 12 to 14 feet would improve likelihood of survival. There was a book published several years back dealing specifically with the topic of maintaining a hurricane resistant landscape. Loaned it to my neighbor who has yet to return it ...

Yep. Small stature means less leverage. Winds are also a category or so less near to the ground. (Referring to established trees of course)
Actually, winds are not a category less near the ground as the wind speeds that are measured for classification purposes are extrapolated at the surface.  The winds are actually higher than what is classified as you go higher (i.e. - if the NHC says the max sustained winds are 125, they would be higher as you go higher in the atmosphere).
Not arguing as we are saying the same thing...they determine via extrapolation that that is considered the speed at ground level also (with impediments such as building, trees, etc. there is no way to actually measure directly at the ground.  You can also have wind variances even at "ground" level with tunneling effects caused by buildings.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sweetest carambola
« on: June 28, 2012, 10:45:49 AM »
Kary is highly productive and stays fairly small. Sweeter in the summer. Very delicious. Wife prefers Fwang Tung, as it has less tart.



http://www.fshs.org/Proceedings/Password%20Protected/1998%20Vol.%20111/299-302%20(CRANE).pdf
If Karis are picked with max color (actually with more a hint of yellow, nearing the point of having brown edges), they are very sweet with no tartness at all.  Not sure if it is being propagated yet but B17 seemed to have some of the best flavor and sweetness.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafted vs. Air-Layered
« on: June 28, 2012, 10:43:07 AM »
Yep. Small stature means less leverage. Winds are also a category or so less near to the ground. (Referring to established trees of course)

Nat not really because cyclones yasi and larry left some survivors that were pruned short and gave some lessons.Winds were well beyond hurricane katrinas peak in yasi but trees can survive a direct hit from cat 5.
Actually, winds are not a category less near the ground as the wind speeds that are measured for classification purposes are extrapolated at the surface.  The winds are actually higher than what is classified as you go higher (i.e. - if the NHC says the max sustained winds are 125, they would be higher as you go higher in the atmosphere).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafted vs. Air-Layered
« on: June 28, 2012, 10:07:20 AM »
You also have the issue with respect to some trees do no air layer well and vice versa with grafting.  It would be impractical for a nursery to wast time, money and material to propagate using a non preferred method (for example - air layering mangoes).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Honeydew showdown
« on: June 26, 2012, 11:16:52 PM »
Ok, found my melon book.  If you are into melons, it is a great acquisition, Melons for the Passionate Grower by Amy Goldman.  She also has similar books on tomatoes and squash.

http://books.google.com/books/about/Melons.html?id=xqG22Ah3Hx4C

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Honeydew showdown
« on: June 26, 2012, 11:08:13 PM »
Mike - I have seen many a honeydew grown in Gainesville, Florida that do have some netting on them.  Not fully netted but definitely some significant netting.

As to your pictures above, the "green fleshed cantaloupe" could be a number of melons.  The most common seen here in Florida is the Galia, developed in Israel as a honeydew-cantaloupe cross, it is an intensely sweet green fleshed looking "cantaloupe" with the taste more similar to a musky honeydew.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Atemoya Disaster!
« on: June 26, 2012, 10:58:53 PM »
Good ideas with Velcro tree ties and tying at a couple levels. I think it's worth having this stuff prepared ahead of time for storms like we are having now in south florida. I wasn't too pleased to see how much the trunks of my container trees have been flexing and loosening in the pots

Brad
What type of soil mix are you using ?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pickering versus Cogshall
« on: June 26, 2012, 10:57:20 PM »
For the most part Cogshall is an early season mango however location plays a great role as to what part of the season.  As Har as stated, Truly Tropical's mangoes seem to come in a little earlier than most, most likely due to her layout and Easterly location.  She had temps a bit warmer than most in the area.  On the other hand, Nancy, being much North of here near Sebring, I believe, her season would be a little later than most due to her cooler winter/spring climate.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango fruiting in winter
« on: June 26, 2012, 03:39:03 PM »
I suppose of there were no other freash, local mangoes around in November/December (and the mango burnout has passed), that a Choc Anon MIGHT seem good...however, based on a Choc Anon from the summer I have my doubts...

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I wonder if the mangos labeled as organic from Mexico really are organic...
Amazing whatthat little sticker will do...was the farmhands pee organic ?   ;D

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I believe he is looking for fruit so he knows if he wants to purchase the plant.  I think it will be difficult to near impossible to find the fruit for sale.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help Identifying My Mango Tree!
« on: June 26, 2012, 09:42:49 AM »
Drove down to Hollywood yesterday to see relatives and they gave me these Mangos.  They had a box full from a friends house.  I think they are Cogshall.

 

Don't think they are Cogshall either.  Do you know if the tree is a grafted tree or a seedling ?  Size of the tree ?  Any pics of the tree ?  Also would like to see picks of the inside of the fruit and texture of the fruit.  Looks a little Haden like from the color.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bad weather brewing
« on: June 26, 2012, 08:06:27 AM »
While the current official NHC track has Debby going into Texas.  Don't be surprised if the official track is shifted well to the East and North, missing Texas altogether.  I would not even rule out the possibility of her center coming ashore in the Big Bend area of Florida  across thru the Panhandle.

Good call.
Not bad though annoying for nursery owners, I am sure.  I would say they are in the 15-25 range with some gusts up to 30/  Of course they are worse in any squalls from the feeder bands.  Sunday in a isolated area of Palm Beach County we had two hours of so of very gusty winds, sever tstorms and at least two tornado sightings.  There were isolated rainfall totals of 2-4+ inched in that time period.

Great call.. How's the wind over on the east coast? SWFL suffering through some decent gusts.. My power was out 4-5 hours last night as a branch or something like that hit a transformer. Hopefully the path doesn't go anymore south-southeast to spare us the brunt of the wrath.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Honeydew showdown
« on: June 26, 2012, 08:01:47 AM »
My take on the naming issue here is that different countries/locales call different fruits by different names though in this case it almost seems that someone is bunching all of these green fleshed type melons as a "honeydew".  I will have to see if I can dig up my melon id book.. 

Bluepalm - unless you have a connection with a Florida grower of honeydew (when I lived in Gainesville, there was one grower of heirloom honeydews that blew away any California grown honeydew), you are a month or two away from the prime "King of the West" honeydews.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Atemoya Disaster!
« on: June 26, 2012, 07:54:53 AM »
I have stated this before but will reiterate.  Using the "anchor" system for a young tree like, like Brad described, is an invitation for breakage (see seadation's coconut cream).  While no staking will be safe from strong winds, as most likely what happened with Angela's atemoya, a young tree is much better off protected the way she had it staked (see her first picture).  When using the anchor system like Brad described, that becomes the weak point of the tree.  It should definitely hold the tree secure at that point but that point becomes the weal spot.  As the rest of the tree at and above that point will flex/sway/blow in the wind, it will allow for the secured point of the tree to be the breaking point.  A support tied directly to the trunk and as high up as possible will give the best support under NORMAL weather conditions.  I hope my ramble is understandable...if not, let me know and I will try to explain.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: my very own first Pickering mango
« on: June 26, 2012, 07:44:26 AM »
Actually that's just the sap that happened to create that pattern.

Tomad
Yep, wash your mangoes off after you pick them and you wont have the striping or any other discoloration "pattern" from the sap.

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yes those are banana spiders...they are harmless thank god because they are big and intimidating looking.
Harry that looked like a really fun adventure! Thanks guys for posting the pictures.
Marin

A Nephila genus spider, it ls also known as a Golden Orb...and they do actually bite and do actually contain a toxic venom.   It won't kill a human but it will damn straight hurt.  You would surely know it if bitten and would not be a happy camper. 

Marin - my guess is that you have never been fortunate enough to have been bitten by one  ;) ;D :o :P 8)

Actually all spiders can bite and are venemous.  That's how they kill their prey before wrapping them up with silk.  So being bitten by any spider  would not be a pleasant experience.  Some spiders are much more dangerous, with venom that has greater toxicity......as in the Black Widow and Brown Recluse.  However, it does take some doing to get a spider to bite you.  You would literally have to attack them.....or make them feel as though they were being attacked and then the possibility of being bitten would occur only when the spider would have no where else to go.  I have never seen a spider turn to defend itself when you accidentally disturb them.  They run or drop down on a silk thread....anything but confront something as large as a human.  Some people don't like spiders because they jump.  These large banana spiders just mind their own business, catch lots of bugs (one of the few predators that will catch and eat Cuban May Beetles), and hang out in their webs.  But, they are proliferating at my house and I may have to do some relocating. They are a relative recent addition to my yard.  I don't think I had any to speak of prior to about three years ago.

Harry
Correct however the orbs venom is stronger than most.  The effect of the venom is similar to that of a black widow but lesser levels.  These are very prevalent in Gainesville and while most spiders do not attack, as you said, the orb will be a little more aggressive to humans if you are to come in contact with the center potion of the web (where the heavy zig zag golden silk is weaved).  When I worked in Gainesville, I had crew members who were bitten by them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Picture of Mangos
« on: June 26, 2012, 07:28:56 AM »
Hi Nat, Larry G wrote this above...

"The BAT mango was collected from Excalibur where I was told BAT stood for"Big Ass Tree". I was also told it came from an adjacent property (now ownwd by Excalibur) and the family name was Bat. In any case, I picked up several off the ground and they were very, very good."

Guessing the original owner of the tree's Last name was "BAT"...Probably a Seedling tree? Cute name, though~
Nope...the lot is named after one of the Wilson's companies, not a prior owner.  It is a seedling tree...and no, it is unfortunately not a "condo" mango.  Then again if you were to see a full grown Carrie you would probably not call that a condo mango either.  As with almost any mango, proper yearly pruning and you can keep any mango at a manageable size.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pickering versus Cogshall
« on: June 26, 2012, 06:29:03 AM »

To ME, the following I would call "the best":  Mahachanok, Cushman, Mallika, Coconut Cream, Lemon Zest, Edward, Southern Blush, Dot, PPK/Lemon Meringue, Neelam and Tong Bi Con (based on the one I had tonight...the first one I ever tried).  There are also a number of varieties that fall just outside what I would consider "the best". 



bsb--- Why do like Neelam? And any comments on the taste and when you saw it ripe? I have one but will not get to taste the fruits for 45 days or so I figure
I really like the flavor of Indian mangoes.  Once you taste the Neelam you will understand what I mean.  It is a very sweet, strong flavored fruit (in a good way) without any acidity.  Bad thing about a Neelam is their size, they are a relatively small mango.  It usually is one of, if not the, last harvested mango variety.  Actual timing is tough to call as it would be based, for the most part, on the way each mango season plays out.  Last year they seemed to ripened earlier than usual, late August if my memory serves me..

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pickering versus Cogshall
« on: June 26, 2012, 06:24:07 AM »
thanks for the info Morris,

Glad to know my trees not a weirdo.

How many fruits did your Trickering P make?
Don't know if that can be ruled out even with confirmation of the dimple  ;) ;D

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BTW, that is one mean Scary looking Spider!! It looks almost as big as one of you guys!! Something right out of Arachnophobia the movie,lol...

What kind of spider is that? Is it a banana spider?

Why the pretzels? Do you have a pretzel tree Harry?
Adam, don't believe these guys, a good Mammee americana tastes and smells very similar to apricot. Can be a very good fruit. Needs to be ripened properly, which can sometimes be tricky.

yes those are banana spiders...they are harmless thank god because they are big and intimidating looking.
Harry that looked like a really fun adventure! Thanks guys for posting the pictures.
A Nephila genus spider, it ls also known as a Golden Orb...and they do actually bite and do actually contain a toxic venom.   It won't kill a human but it will damn straight hurt.  You would surely know it if bitten and would not be a happy camper. 

Marin - my guess is that you have never been fortunate enough to have been bitten by one  ;) ;D :o :P 8)

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Who is the Hausman fellow??  ;) :o ??? ;D :P 8)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cecropia peltata
« on: June 24, 2012, 11:40:02 PM »
Those don't look fully ripe yet.  They get thicker and start to slump down the cores, making big juice-filled flesh folds.
Agreed, they get "wrinkly" and a little more yellow in color also.

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