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EPA Grants Emergency Exemption To Use Bee Killing Pesticide
« on: February 26, 2015, 11:20:36 AM »
____AS EPA APPROVES EMERGENCY USE OF BEE-KILLING PESTICIDE FOR FLORIDA CITRUS, BEYOND PESTICIDES URGES HEIGHTENED EFFORTS TO STOP TOXIC PESTICIDE DEPENDENCY____
 
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) granted Florida citrus growers an emergency exemption to use the bee-killing pesticide clothianidin to control Asian Citrus Psyllid (ACP), a pest that causes "citrus greening," a devastating citrus plant disease. Clothianidin, which is not currently registered for use on citrus, is part of a class of neurotoxic, systemic insecticides called neonicotinoids, which have been implicated in global honey bee declines and suspended in the European Union. "EPA needs to assist in stopping the deadly use of pesticides that harm bees, butterflies, and birds with sustainable practices, rather than imperil pollinators with its decisions," said Jay Feldman, executive director of Beyond Pesticides, a health and environmental advocacy group. He continued, "We understand the immediate chemical needs of chemical-intensive agriculture for increasingly toxic and persistent chemicals, but urge EPA to help stop the treadmill, lest it allow irreversible harm to the environment, biodiversity, and human health." Beyond Pesticides is urging EPA to require that growers adopt a management plan in order to apply clothianidin. "Ultimately, EPA should be requiring growers to adopt integrated organic systems to manage pests, as a part of an emergency permit," said Mr. Feldman.

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Re: EPA Grants Emergency Exemption To Use Bee Killing Pesticide
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2015, 12:02:45 PM »
Don't worry about the bees I heard monsanto is releasing pesticide resistant gmo bees, they are in the testing phase now (jk btw  ::)).
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Re: EPA Grants Emergency Exemption To Use Bee Killing Pesticide
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2015, 02:15:27 PM »
Don't worry about the bees I heard monsanto is releasing pesticide resistant gmo bees, they are in the testing phase now (jk btw  ::)).

Oh yeah?  We're going to need GMO humans to eat the honey from the GMO bees, too.   :)
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Re: EPA Grants Emergency Exemption To Use Bee Killing Pesticide
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2015, 03:10:29 PM »
Don't worry about the bees I heard monsanto is releasing pesticide resistant gmo bees, they are in the testing phase now (jk btw  ::)).

Oh yeah?  We're going to need GMO humans to eat the honey from the GMO bees, too.   :)

Actually just searched it they are already working on Genetically Modified Bees, I am sure Monsanto is already working on Pesticide Ready Bees... http://entomologytoday.org/2014/06/11/genetically-modified-honey-bees-a-key-technology-for-honey-bee-research/

http://igtrcn.org/transgenic-honeybees-finally/
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Re: EPA Grants Emergency Exemption To Use Bee Killing Pesticide
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2015, 03:37:47 PM »
An insecitide that kills bees? I never would have guessed that from the word "insect"icide.  ;) The majority of insecticides kill bees, most of those are highly toxic to them; only a relatively small percent  have little to no effect on bees.

Best stick to organic treatments for pest control like spinosad, pyrethrum, rotenone, beauveria, tobacco juice, and diatomaceous earth . Oh wait, they're all highly toxic to bees too!  ;)  (in fact, nicotine in tobacco juice is a close relative of clothianidin).

(I should maybe add neem in that list too; there's a myth that neem doesn't kill bees. In reality it has limited effect on adults but it kills larvae if sprayed in high (but not unrealistic) concentrations, and so should not be sprayed on flowers whose pollen that can be brought back to the nest - Rembold et al 1980; Mordue and Blackwell, 1993; Naumann and Isman, 1996 (adults can be killed by it too but it takes unrealistic concentrations). It should be also noted that "contact" insecticides that you have to spray directly on insects, like insecticidal soaps and horticultural oils, will also kill bees, but one presumes that a gardener isn't daft enough to spray them while bees are foraging on their plants. Then again... )
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Re: EPA Grants Emergency Exemption To Use Bee Killing Pesticide
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2015, 05:25:56 PM »
An insecitide that kills bees? I never would have guessed that from the word "insect"icide.  ;) The majority of insecticides kill bees, most of those are highly toxic to them; only a relatively small percent  have little to no effect on bees.

Best stick to organic treatments for pest control like spinosad, pyrethrum, rotenone, beauveria, tobacco juice, and diatomaceous earth . Oh wait, they're all highly toxic to bees too!  ;)  (in fact, nicotine in tobacco juice is a close relative of clothianidin).

(I should maybe add neem in that list too; there's a myth that neem doesn't kill bees. In reality it has limited effect on adults but it kills larvae if sprayed in high (but not unrealistic) concentrations, and so should not be sprayed on flowers whose pollen that can be brought back to the nest - Rembold et al 1980; Mordue and Blackwell, 1993; Naumann and Isman, 1996 (adults can be killed by it too but it takes unrealistic concentrations). It should be also noted that "contact" insecticides that you have to spray directly on insects, like insecticidal soaps and horticultural oils, will also kill bees, but one presumes that a gardener isn't daft enough to spray them while bees are foraging on their plants. Then again... )

Obviously they forgot to add the word "systemic". Not all insecticides are systemic, entering the whole plant, and staying the plant for a very long time. In other words, the bees are not going to get killed 6 months later when just collecting pollen if the insecticide applied is not systemic.  But they will be if clothianitin is applied to citrus. Bees collect and are very attracted to citrus pollen.
"Clothianidin is an insecticide developed by Takeda Chemical Industries and Bayer AG. Similar to thiamethoxam and imidacloprid, it is a neonicotinoid."
Imidacloprid is widely sold for garden use in USA, banned in most of Europe. All types of neoconotids kill bees. So i'm afraid a lot of the damage has already been done to bees in USA.
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Re: EPA Grants Emergency Exemption To Use Bee Killing Pesticide
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2015, 04:52:01 AM »
Neonicotenoids are a serious problem alright and there is worldwide alarm.It is not just bees but all pollinators copping it The concentrating effect in nectar and pollen many miles from the source due to drift is amazing.Colony collapse is more about this stuff than mites or foreign bees.Organophosphates  that they replaced due to lower vertebrate and especially mammalian toxicity never caused this level of concern.GMO bees that  an handle neonicotenoids will never be produced as the D-loop metabolism is obligatory in insects.

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Re: EPA Grants Emergency Exemption To Use Bee Killing Pesticide
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2015, 05:09:01 AM »
Obviously they forgot to add the word "systemic". Not all insecticides are systemic, entering the whole plant, and staying the plant for a very long time.

1) Systemic != persistent, persistent != systemic. Many systemics are persistent, but the two are not synonyms. Some organics are persistent, some synthetics are not. Beauveria, for example is a fungus - it actually reproduces.

2) If a treatment is not persistent, then you have to keep re-applying it to keep having control of target pests; otherwise, they'll come back and reinfest. So it doesn't change the situation.
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Re: EPA Grants Emergency Exemption To Use Bee Killing Pesticide
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2015, 05:37:42 AM »
Neonicotenoids are a serious problem alright and there is worldwide alarm.It is not just bees but all pollinators copping it The concentrating effect in nectar and pollen many miles from the source due to drift is amazing.Colony collapse is more about this stuff than mites or foreign bees.Organophosphates  that they replaced due to lower vertebrate and especially mammalian toxicity never caused this level of concern.GMO bees that  an handle neonicotenoids will never be produced as the D-loop metabolism is obligatory in insects.

1) First off, colony collapse disorder has been overblown in the popular imagination. The average rate of winter colony loss changed from the norm of about 15% to about 30% at the peak of the "disorder". It's hardly the sort of bee apocalypse that most people picture.

2) What do beekeepers do when they lose a colony? They buy another new colony, a queen and a handful of drones. Where do these come from? Breeders; bees can be induced to produce almost limitless new queens by certain management practices, and the drones that need to accompany her are only a small fraction of the total of the hive. Because it's so easy to make new queens, there will never be a fundamental threat to bees, even if the rate of winter colony loss was 95%.

3) Honeybees aren't even native to the US. They're only needed for pollination because of the unfortunate monoculture practices adopted widespread in farming - everything in the area blooms at once and then there's little food for pollinators for the rest of the year, there's little to no refuge, and so on, so native pollinator populations are greatly reduced. Don't get me wrong, I understand why monoculture is used. It's much more efficient to be able to treat large tracts of land in exactly the same manner at exactly the same time.  But if pollination ever would become a serious long-term issue, it could be managed simply by diversification. Even the mere stopping of suppression of weeds (or better, planting custom nectar-rich ground covers)  would often do the trick (at the cost of a small amount of productivity, as the non-suppressed plants will consume water and nutrients.. on the other hand, legume ground covers actually add nitrates, and mulched ground covers return their nutrients and add organic matter to the soil, so...)

4) The number of different things that have been "conclusively" linked to CCD could fill a book. Lots of people focus on whichever one best fits their preconceived notions. The reality is that the "disorder" is probably just the confluence of many different stressing factors that have been building up over the years. But it's harmful just obsess over one, because they're all serious bee killers. For example, a lot of the neonicotinoid croud cheered when France banned them. CCD became worse the next year. Rather than picking a different family of pesticides to blame, they largely switched to blaming asian hornets, one of the many dozens of CCD-indicted culprits.

The real problem IMHO is decades of high colony numbers to support these mobile pollination services and high honey demand. The amount of bees kept per hectare - given shelter that wouldn't naturally be available, sometimes kept alive via winter feeding of corn syrup, and all sorts of other babying - is way more than nature would support. And so they've proven a breeding ground for (and vector for) all sorts of other problems that previously might have just been local problems, if they even occurred at all. And the problems they breed also take out local wild bees. Combine all of this with additional stressors like pesticides, the disturbance of colonies by relocation, urbanization, changing climate, etc, and eventually it's all going to have to come to a head at some point.

But it's no "beeocalypse", as much as it sucks for apiarists, for whom it's a real financial hit.
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Re: EPA Grants Emergency Exemption To Use Bee Killing Pesticide
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2015, 07:12:48 AM »
Karen you need to stand back and adjust your focus as it seems you are too US centric.Colony collapse of bees is happening all over including Europe where action is being taken.Native insect assemblages are impacted due to the nature of concentration in pollen and the extreme sensitivity of insects to minute concentrations.Thee are colony collapses here as well and we need to be careful about chemical company studies into other causes. Thankfully not all scientists have been thrown off the scent.
Look at the mode of action,target areas in insects and look at some of the papers published.

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Re: EPA Grants Emergency Exemption To Use Bee Killing Pesticide
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2015, 10:59:22 AM »
Karen, a really intelligent and well worded post. You seem to be a well educated person. You must do a lot of studying during Iceland's long and dark winters.  - Millet

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Re: EPA Grants Emergency Exemption To Use Bee Killing Pesticide
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2015, 01:46:13 PM »
From what I'm seeing here, evolution is what's wiping out the honeybees. If Europe is banning chemicals and they're still dying from other causes, then they've become fully dependent on humans for survival and cannot exist in nature as they once were.

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Re: EPA Grants Emergency Exemption To Use Bee Killing Pesticide
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2015, 04:47:20 PM »
Obviously they forgot to add the word "systemic". Not all insecticides are systemic, entering the whole plant, and staying the plant for a very long time.

1) Systemic != persistent, persistent != systemic. Many systemics are persistent, but the two are not synonyms. Some organics are persistent, some synthetics are not. Beauveria, for example is a fungus - it actually reproduces.

2) If a treatment is not persistent, then you have to keep re-applying it to keep having control of target pests; otherwise, they'll come back and reinfest. So it doesn't change the situation.

Look at the label of insecticides we're discussing here. Most of them say effective for 6-12 months. Is that persistent enough for you?  ::)
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