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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: April 15, 2024, 06:36:38 PM »
Did you do anything to speed up flowering?

One occurrence that appears to relate rather directly to earlier flowering and fruiting is the orientation of the branches. Tetraploid Conestoga 011 branches that have a portion of the branches descending below horizontal have been the first to flower in almost every case.

Upright branches exhibiting no flowers.




Branches descending below horizontal were the first to flower in every case I detected.  I assume this could be artificially induced as well as occuring naturally.


Tetraploid Conestoga 011 flowers are short and squat with a prominent pistil.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: April 12, 2024, 11:43:21 AM »
Several practices that might to have shortened the vegetative stage are:
1. Enclosure within a high tunnel at close spacing encouraged fast upright growth increasing the node count.
2. High grafting onto young fruiting Poncirus trees having just gone through the maturation process themselves.
3. Having the apical growth within the high tunnel strike and deflect from the poly ceiling may have induced hormonal changes.

If these procedures were indeed effective, the shortened period would have been a year or two. Without controls for comparison, these effects may have been a matter of coincidence.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: April 11, 2024, 05:38:01 PM »
Probable Tetraploid Conestoga 010 seedling in the back of the pot. The leaves are darker green, thicker and wider than the other 2 seedlings.




Conestoga 128 flowering at 6 years old. This tree has never been protected, hopefully there will be enough fruit setting to evaluate the fruits.




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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: March 29, 2024, 03:05:04 PM »


Tetraploid Conestoga 011 Segentrange has developed flower buds at 6 years of age.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: March 21, 2024, 05:36:17 PM »


1279 Citrandarin flower buds.


Conestoga 010 flower buds


Poncirus Plus flowers



Conestoga 128 flower buds - this tree has never been protected and these are it's first flowers.


5* Citrumelo high grafted on Poncirus shows little damage
after a mild Winter with a low of 6°F.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Sundragon exhibiting bifoliate leaf.
« on: March 15, 2024, 05:09:32 PM »
Despite having a low percentage of Poncirus ancestry this tree has a bifoliate leaf among the anticipated monofoliate leaves.


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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrandarin
« on: March 01, 2024, 02:22:32 AM »
1279 has fruited, 1281and 1282 haven't. I find Bishop hardier, earlier ripening, more attractive and better flavored than 1279. 1279, 1281 and 1282 are grown in the soil within a tunnel with minimal heat provided when the temperature drops below 20°F.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrandarin
« on: February 29, 2024, 06:58:42 PM »
I don't have 852 Citrandarin. I have 1279, 1281 and 1282 as well as Bishop. Bishop appears to be the hardiest of the lot, having defoliated but survived at 2°F during the past Winters.
1279, 1281 and 1282 appear to be less hardy than Bishop with 1282 being the least hardy of the 3. 1279 is small fruited and rather late ripening.

Bishop Citrandarin during its second Winter unprotected outdoors in zone 6b.








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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 Citrandarin (X-639) winter hardiness trial
« on: February 28, 2024, 12:51:42 PM »
By monitoring the maximum radiator temperatures you should be able to determine if the temperatures are within safe limits. 86°F is an optional germination temperature for many Citrus cultivars. Excessively high temps are more rapidly lethal than low temperatures are.
All of my heating is thermostatically controlled. There's also a monitoring system that can be placed as far as 1000' from the central hub which can then send the current temperature to a smartphone.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: February 23, 2024, 09:35:22 AM »
An update on the Winter survival of various selections. In most of the cases Deciduous selections have a better appearance than Evergreen ones.



Segentrange 128 shows excellent hardiness having been unprotected outdoors for nearly 6 years. It hasn't fruited yet.


Segentrange D has been outdoors for the past several years and hasn't fruited to this point.


Conestoga 001 is quite hardy, but reluctantly deciduous. It hasn't fruited yet.


Conestoga 010 is fully deciduous and has fruited. It produces a mixture of zygotic and nucellar seedlings.


Bishop seedlings exhibiting variation in cold resistance.


Poncirus Plus hasn't shown any cold damage.


Conestoga 006 has fruited and shows good cold hardiness. It's seedlings are a mixture of zygotic and nucellar plants.


Conestoga 011 is tetraploid and hasn't fruited yet. It's among the hardiest selections.


Conestoga 067 shows hardiness very similar to Bishop Citrandarin. It produces mixed leaf types including monofoliate.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 Citrandarin (X-639) winter hardiness trial
« on: February 21, 2024, 07:53:24 PM »
I suspect it might be a form of approach grafting. However, there may be considerable uncertainty as to which are successful vs failures. I'd only consider it if I lacked grafting skills.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 Citrandarin (X-639) winter hardiness trial
« on: February 21, 2024, 03:57:37 PM »
There were a number of actual grafts. In a number of cases I had to break the knitted tissue apart. There was some variation in the degree of the knitting of the roots.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 Citrandarin (X-639) winter hardiness trial
« on: February 21, 2024, 03:00:12 AM »
To save time during the initial transplanting from the germination bed to the field trial rows, I planted 4 seedlings per divot. This placed them tightly together. A slight space between plants should have been adequate for separation after a year. In fact, most were easily separated, but not all were.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 Citrandarin (X-639) winter hardiness trial
« on: February 20, 2024, 06:37:54 PM »
A bit of advice from my project: avoid planting the seedlings so close together that they root-graft to one another. This should eliminate the issue of hardy roots allowing less hardy seedlings to survive. At this point I am still uncertain as to the status of several of my trees in regards to true hardiness.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: February 09, 2024, 03:20:04 PM »
Various selections exhibiting a percentage of Zygotic seedlings:










The crooked stems are caused by growing up against the plastic cover.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: January 29, 2024, 03:23:39 PM »
I suspect being Deciduous complements existing hardiness, but it's also beneficial in reducing desiccation due to a reduction in exposed vulnerable tissue during winter. Initially, being trifoliate, deciduous and cold tolerant are likely linked as they're inherited from Poncirus. However, these linkages should gradually be broken in future generations. There are already examples of some of the Poncirus tastes being less prominent in advanced generations. In my experience, acidity tends to linger into F˛ generations. Pathways have been proposed on this forum to move beyond such acidity.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: January 28, 2024, 03:04:47 PM »
Boris, there are numerous evergreen, as well as, partially evergreen seedlings. Conestoga 058 and 067 are largely monofoliate and haven't fruited yet. 058 develops reddish - purple coloration during the Winter. 067 is a bit hardier than Bishop, while 058 is a bit less hardy.



Conestoga 067 grafted on Poncirus and exposed to outdoor environment.



Meyer lemon X Citrange hybrids.



Meyer lemon X 026 Segentrange.


Conestoga 058 displaying reddish coloration during Winter.


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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: January 28, 2024, 06:48:09 AM »




Conestoga 026 was the first to flower and fruit and has similar hardiness to 006, 010 and 011.



Bishop Citrandarin is slightly less hardy than the Conestoga selections, but has better fruit color and flavor.



Another Conestoga 026 grafted tree.


Conestoga 006 among the hardiest.

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The deciduous characteristic isn't necessarily all or nothing. A few plants in a mixed population will lose their green color early and subsequently drop all their leaves. Another portion of the population will drop their oldest leaves early, later followed by the younger leaves. Other trees will retain their leaves until new growth begins in the Spring. The leaves will be heavily damaged by this point.

There's a tendency for trees to retain their leaves as juveniles, then drop them more reliably as the tree matures.
Deciduous trees should suffer less stress, especially in regards to Winter leaf dessication.
There are, however additional factors involved. An example is whether the overwintering buds are of the Poncirus type with well defined bud scales, or the less well developed Citrus type of bud.
One of my selections is quite stem hardy, but has less cold hardy buds. This leads to the first Spring flush of leaves being pale colored with distorted leaf form. Subsequent flushes have normal color and shape.

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To prevent self-pollination all anthers should ideally be removed from the seed parent flowers prior to dehiscence. Bagging with fine mesh bags excludes insects from bringing in donor pollen.
Donor pollen from the desired source is deposited onto the receptive seed parent stigma. In some cases the stigma produces a moist film on the surface when receptive.


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Starburst pomelo seedlings at present. Appear to be very similar. Perhaps homozygous? Pomelos are predicted to be Zygotic, these may not be?


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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: January 07, 2024, 02:03:30 PM »
Additional seedlings showing variation indicative of zygotic embryony



Conestoga 004 Shows variable seedling characteristics



The presence of considerable variation among the questionable C-35 seedlings leads me to lean against the parent tree actually being a nucellar C-35 seedling. Being zygotic would be highly desirable for my goals. Although the juice is very tart, the fruit has low seediness, large size and is very productive. It's actual hardiness remains to be proven.



Conestoga 021 also shows seedling variation

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Which rootstock do i have
« on: January 02, 2024, 03:49:34 PM »
Are you able to take a close up photo of the stem from the soil to the first branches? Meyer lemon ist often propagated on its own roots.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: December 31, 2023, 06:51:50 AM »
Zygotic seedlings shortly after germination:


Bishop Citrandarin seedlings exhibiting appreciable variation.

 

 Meyer lemon seedlings pollinated by 5* Citrumelo pollen.

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Thanks, it's quite interesting and I was not aware of this phenomenon.

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