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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lemon Zest Seedling Project
« on: October 04, 2014, 11:40:14 PM »
Good luck with your seeds and multi-grafts.  I wasn't overly impressed with LZ's flavor, but it could be an off year.  I also noticed LZ had a lot of fruit drops and some splits on my tree.  It is also a vertical grower (as opposed to compact).  The sri lanka weevils also seem to prefer the LZ tree leaves over some other mango varieties.  Knowing what I know now, I might not have planted it.  But it is in the ground and producing fruit, so I am content.

MC,

Thanks for your observations /opinions. Some may not realize that contentment comes with a resignation and acceptance of facts as they are for you, not as they are for the multitudes. I'm of the same mind with Carambola I planted out.





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / When is a branch a scion?
« on: October 04, 2014, 08:45:39 AM »
I don't know why, but people who regularly graft take for granted some things that aren't obvious to newbies. I've never read a detailed description on selection and description of cuttings.

For example...

"Select a dormant scion"

I "assume" that dormant means no new leafy growth, if that's wrong please correct me :-)

But... I have several mango trees that have growth from last spring, all branches are still green and most are over 3/8" 1/2" in diameter. Everything that has bark is over an inch  in diameter. Are green branches candidates for selection?

Next up is WHERE is the branch a scion. Assuming you have unlimited number of branches to select from, which is best... do you pick the LAST section of the branch, middle, or the oldest section closest to where it erupted from the older branch.

Are cuttings different from ones you will graft onto a rootstock from those if you are top working?

Are all leaves stripped from the branch before grafting? Also assume no transportation is involved, simply cut and walk it over to the new host.

Finally for transportation (mailing purposes) should leaves be stripped and what care to the cut end is required, again as above which section of the branch is best suited to transportation.

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I've read a bunch on the subject and haven't seen these details on selection and handling.










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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My soursop seedlings
« on: September 29, 2014, 11:54:16 PM »
When I took my soursop home I was AMAZED at the wonderful aroma the leaves gave off in the enclosed space.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My soursop seedlings
« on: September 29, 2014, 10:20:36 PM »
Wow! You better hope some die or you're going to have a soursop forest!

FYI, those seeds came from an old south Florida (Broward county) tree that has seen a few cold spells. What seedlings from it will endure is unknown.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: tree lifespans?
« on: September 29, 2014, 07:05:03 AM »
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Often planted dates of large fruit trees are not known or not verifiable.

Call me anal but I made a map of my property with all of the tree planting dates and the cultivar name.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Transplanting a sugar apple
« on: September 29, 2014, 06:59:52 AM »
Congrats, Gary, and thanks for the update.

How are the soursop seedlings coming? If possible start a thread and post some pics. I bought a soursop, a rather large one for a home depot to have and it's living and thriving in a pot

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2014 Guavas
« on: September 29, 2014, 06:56:39 AM »
A pic of some of the guavas ripening. So far Jalisco and Dolores are the winters....even better than the different hybrids Ruby Supreme. X and 6-29 that I have had recently or the famous Allahabad Safeda
Tropical pink, Hong Kong Pink, Jalisco red and Dolores

How is that everyone can grow guava but me :-)

I had three. a Ruby supreme, and two others nicely sized and the scale was intolerable so I pulled them. Now I only have strawberry, lemon and white Asian varieties because they are or seem to be immune to scale.

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Mine regularly abort fruit throughout the growth cycle of the fruit. Don't worry about it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Transplanting a sugar apple
« on: September 28, 2014, 01:02:56 AM »
So Cool!!!

Today I took the time to look over my transplanted tree and it's pushing out new growth everywhere I cut it back! Now the wait for fruit begins.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which variety of sapodilla do you recommend?
« on: September 20, 2014, 12:48:28 PM »
The thing about Sapodillas that may hinder some from falling in love with this fruit is that it takes a really keen eye to determine when to remove the fruit from the tree, as the change in coloration is very subtle to nill in this fruit species.

Jeff's wife showed me that a light scratch on the skin will reveal green if not ready, and yellowing if it is or is within a few days. Also my Makok get slightly softer to the touch showing their eagerness to be picked, and consumed. :-)


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best carambola season
« on: September 16, 2014, 07:13:02 PM »
Are the leaves green on your trees? The high PH coral soil leads to chlorosis. Mine were all green but now its half and half with some turning a pale green.

My Arkin has fruit with no green edges. My Kari has none so hoping for a December crop from it.

My leaves are very green,  a branch here and there may show some chlorosis  but the fruit has been fully colored, large, softer skin and sweeter than in past years, and incredibly juicy.

What are your fruits tasting like?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Best carambola season
« on: September 16, 2014, 12:03:58 PM »
I have three Carambola trees Cari, Bell, and Kajang. Generally one of the three is clearly better tasting then the other two, but this season has been unique.

First, the fruits have been completely ripening on the tree (no green ANYWHERE) and most are not falling off or going sour, and all three have given great fruit with the Bell having a bit of an edge over the others. Anyone else having a good carambola season?

Oh two of the three are blooming with fruit still on, this is the first year this has happened too.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: which fruits are the most 'nutrient dense'?
« on: September 15, 2014, 08:29:00 PM »
Funny about what's bad today isn't tomorrow. My Dad passed at 88, ate poorly, never drank liquids in any large amount, smoked for 75+ of those years, and never exercised. I say this because I believe you're either predisposed for disease or not.

I wonder why BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars, euros, yen etc. are spent yearly studying SICK people... why don't they study people who never get sick with the same enthusiasm? I'll tell you what "I" think... there's no profit in it.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Longan and Lychee
« on: September 15, 2014, 05:03:00 PM »
Here's some air layered longan from my trees that will be planted soon.

Boy, those air layers look great, with fruit too? How long ago did you start layering them, and when did you separate them from the parent and pot them??

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: selective branch killing
« on: September 15, 2014, 04:44:08 PM »
I have a very large tree shading smaller trees beneath. Chainsawing is not possible with out crushing the desired trees beneath. Thus need to find a way to kill just the harmful branch so that it can defoliate & the smaller branches drop. With time, hopefully the much lighter bulk could be removed.
Anyone have any experience with such a problem?
Thanks, rich

Call a tree trimmer.  They can rope it and guide it safely down to the ground.

Good advice, I rope trees I'm going to fell to something strong, get tension on the rope and the tree falls in the direction the rope is pulling on. Even with near zero clearance I can fell a tree without damaging another in its path.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Longan and Lychee
« on: September 14, 2014, 01:48:09 PM »
Yeah, Louis has some being air layered right now, but I want to play a bit with them, I'm going to let the seedlings continue to sprout and grow, then try grafting them anyway.

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No, I can see myself falling from a ladder to do what mom nature can handle without my intervention

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Longan and Lychee
« on: September 13, 2014, 10:05:37 AM »
A few weeks ago I got some Longan from Louis the grower in Davie and I put the seeds in pots. Now they are sprouting and I'm thinking...

Can Lychee be grafted successfully onto longan rootstock?

If not, how long do Longan seedlings take to fruit? I think I'd like to grow these, since Louis had several trees full of fruit these may be very suitable to fruiting in the climate down here?

 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Persimmon - "South Florida"
« on: September 13, 2014, 09:51:57 AM »
It seems awfully early for persimmons to be ripening.  I have 5 or 6 green Triumph persimmons on my tree.

Yeah it is, especially May 8th?

My "Unknown" (previously thought to be a winterset) has very green hard fruits, and the "South Florida" has a few that are blushing a light yellow but won't be ready for at least a couple of months.

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I'm not particularly into this vs. that cultivar, I find qualities I like sometimes hit and miss and wound up with many of your choices.

Carambola (3), Mango (4), Mulberry (1) , banana (2), and muscadines (5).

I've also become fond of MANY other not necessarily productive fruits that some turn their noses up at not wanting to waste space where they can put mango :-)

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I'm going to be planting out the area in front of my house with an edible landscape. My objective is to plant the most visually appealing trees enhancing curb appeal of my home while also providing a fruit I'll love to eat. They will all be inside the primeter fence. I estimate 10 to 15 trees. I'm in the process of finishing planting 24 mango trees in the back of the longan grove and behind and beside my house.

I like persimmon, when they're in full foliage with fruit to me they're the most attractive tree I own, then peach and Loquat.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: paper thin Glenn mango seed
« on: September 08, 2014, 07:49:05 PM »
My Glenn mango purchased last year is around 4', with no branches, had 4 ripe large egg-size fruits. They are very sweet, but the seeds are paper thin. Does it mean the fruits were not pollinated?

My Glenn was put in the ground in September 2011, is ~12' tall, has a 10' + wide canopy and not one fruit yet! It's healthy as can be, just, no fruit.

I don't know what it is about my property, several of my trees took 3-4 + years to fruit and they were deliberately NOT bought as little sticks.
On the plus side, the Glenn is a real nice tree that has shaded a real hot western part of my house, so he has a couple of more years before he sees the axe!

If I were you I wouldn't worry about a small crop next year, you will get more fruit, probably sooner than me :-) 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: "Sweet" soursop?
« on: September 07, 2014, 10:23:10 AM »
Bitter is no more related to Sour than it is to Sweet or to Salty.   Those are the four tastes that we have separate specialized sensors for on our tongues.   So it is just as ignorant to call Bitter Sour as to call Sweet Salty.

Our mouths also sense various forms of general irritation, such as Astringency / Puckery and Spicy Burning.  Most of the remainder of flavor is aroma.

In Spanish and Portuguese, "Bitter" is AMARGO.   "Sour / tart / acid" is "azedo / agrio / acido."

Thanks for educating my tongue, which is rather uneducated in such matters :-) call it what you like, bitter, sour... the one I tried was nearly unpalatable, almost as if it had started to ferment. So is fermented bitter or sour?

It did not appear to be over ripe, and not very soft on the outside to the touch. A couple of bites were rather OK, the rest not so much so.

Funny, HD in west Boca south Florida got a shipment of really nice soursop (maybe you would have been happier if I used the term sour) in 3 gallon pots, but rather tall at ~6 feet with a nice canopy developing. Being the adventurous type I may get one anyway.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / "Sweet" soursop?
« on: September 06, 2014, 10:28:36 AM »
I've just been reading Julia Morton's writing on soursop and she detailed three types: " sweet, subacid, and acid"

Now I don't know which type I tried but it was generally not suitable to my palate. Is there a sweet type that's actually not bitter tasting?  If so where can they be sampled and what characteristics do they have, Y'know growth habit, how well do they fruit?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Recommendations for last 3 fruit trees?
« on: September 06, 2014, 08:33:36 AM »
It's bothering me that I have space not being utilized but I'm not really sure what to plant. It has to have a fairly upright habit or at least be able to be pruned to about 8 feet wide. All 3 spots get 8+ hours of full sun and get hit by sprinklers 2-3 times a week. Also since I'm in South Florida the soil is rocky, alkaline, and full of nematodes so they should be able to handle our bad "soil"

So far I have:
Atemoya (Geffner)
Bananas (Rajapuri, Namwah, dwarf Cavendish)
Custard Apple (Fernandez)
Pitaya (David Bowie, Physical Graffiti, Vietnamese Jaina)
Jackfruit (2 seedlings, MAI-1, Black Gold X Tabouey)
Passionfruit (purple/yellow)
Rollinia (seedling)
Sapodilla (Hasya)
Soursop (Miami)
White Sapote (Redlands)

Everyone should  have :-)

Banana, Canistel, Muscadine grapes, Guava (if you can keep scale off it) maybe figs and papaya, and at least one mango. I'm not a huge lover of mango, but I'm fairly certain that if you give it a chance and try some from growers you'll find one you like enough to plant.




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