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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cucumbers & Papayas
« on: March 13, 2013, 01:16:59 PM »
Normally, if you will cut cucumber from the vine,
Than you will have a cucumber to eat
And the vine will continue to produce new cucumbers,
Unless the vine is not doing well, and you want to replace it.
Was that what you've been asking?

Also Papaya, pick the fruit and let the Papaya plant to grow on.
Sometime when papaya reach to high
Specially if grown in net houses with limited hight,
the farmer may prune the canopy\top completely,
And the papaya will split from the cut, developing two or more new tops.
but if you do not have place limited by height, fruits can be comfortably picked, and the Papaya plant is young,
Then, there is no need to prune it,

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: removing drawf wurtz flowers
« on: February 13, 2013, 07:38:02 PM »
Mike, While being young we used to build small tree houses on mulberry trunks,
I guess at your place every tree will do.
And how do you deal with Goannas who are coming for your poultry,
Shoo him\her away with a stick, or catch, cage  him\her and relocate.
Here, Payback time for some Avocado who dare to bear while young is noticeable during the following autumn and winter, when colder and feet are wet, Crime and Punishment sort of thing.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: removing drawf wurtz flowers
« on: February 12, 2013, 11:45:33 PM »
If costumer suggests he has a small garden,
Few nurseries will send him home with a Pygmy forest.
In Israel wertz is a small tree relative to other avocado varieties
And it will get better taste than Reed which tend to be somewhat watery at my area
Yes Mike, around 2.5 meters is about right.
8 meters is definitely not a dwarf and it is hard for me to picture that tree so tall.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: removing drawf wurtz flowers
« on: February 12, 2013, 01:00:48 PM »
bsbullie, are you referring to me or to the missing post before me?
(At least I think there was a post before me about patenting, or am I imagining things)
Anyhow
Wurtz, Wertz, Little cado, littlecado, Minicado, refer to the same small variety
I did not mentioned "dwarf Wurtz"
Wertz is small enough already as it is and does not require extra dwarfing
Dwarfing of a semi dwarf is futile, unless desired to be grown in a doll house.
All those names refer to the same tree introduced by Roy Wertz (1948)

If your post did not referred to me, than just ignore my reply.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: removing drawf wurtz flowers
« on: February 12, 2013, 07:08:20 AM »
fruitnewbie,

Although those Little Cado (Wurtz, Wertz) are relatively small,
you can easily let its canopy get twice thrice that size before allowing it to fruit,
wait another year.
At the meantime help him to abort fruits after setting (just as bsbullie suggested),
Extra Nurturing\Intervening and flowers decapitation, is sometime unnecessary and may cause more harm than good.

However, there is more than Just one way of doing things, Your healthy little Wurtz will probably support a fruit or two on its lower parts if such will set (Certainly with some price to its growth and establishment, and therefor not recommended),






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It seems like other name for ~ 30% hydrogen peroxide and the rest are water {and stabilizers}
If it is more than just 30% hydrogen peroxide, than they should have mentioned other active ingredients.
Hydrogen peroxide works, but has no residual effect wile its drying up
So it should be applied repeatedly and has no preventative capabilities
Hydrogen peroxide at high concentrations is extremely damaging to the cornea. Use protective goggles with it.
If stabilized properly and left clean in its container, shelf life will be reasonable
after opening, but is sensitive for numerous materials who can cause catalytic decomposition.



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Hi Jackfruitwhisperer69
As you have just suggested, I do too tend to use different parts of the palm
I often nick him as the "compost tree".
And use certain gravel size sections of it in orchid soil mix.
Since every year its growth area jump bit higher, it is getting impossible to collect
fibers from the tree itself, but the fronds themselves stay accessible for longer period
In Israel palm trees may attract Vipers, and that fact should be kept in mind.

Anyways, I'm using 3 different sections:
Cork like parts at the base of the fronds
Fibers and rotted parts which left on the tree after removing the fronds
Fibers made out of fresh fronds.

 

From those three,
Fibers made out of fronds, are the most comfortable to work with on a tree, They hold pH value of 5.2 - 5-5
(slightly lower than the other two sections.)
And I have never encounter root infections wile using them.
Neither any sign of root retardant.
(Fibers I have in quantities more than I can use, normally.)
Not implying by any mean, that anyone else should be forced to use it,
(I'm considering it as my own fetish)
Just mentioning that such material is available for those who are fond of being self sufficient.

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Hi amaqeq,
Palm fibers from the nook and cranny of the palm, can also be used...though i have never tried using this medium. I only use and mix this fiber with orchid potting soil for  Cattleyas, Dendrobiums, Stanhopea and Epidendrum :)




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Also here Sphagnum is hard to find, and when doing Air layering somewhere, standing on a tree in the middle of the canopy, half of all grainy material ends up on the ground.
There are methods for creating a plastic bag sleeve with its bottom closed, ready for stuffing, But not all branches are growing vertically.
My own sustainable favorite: passing few times with grass mower on bunch of fresh palm fronds, obtaining fine fibers,
Than let them bake in the sun for two month, sealed in a big clear plastic bag
Deep brown fibers are obtained, slightly acidic. very comfortable to work with.
In the photo there is a sample of fibers, it is possible to make them finer or thicker,
And so to change the amount of water they hold in the pocket.
Their fibrous nature, make them comfortable to work with, on a tree.





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pomelo and jackfruit fall from the tree
« on: December 07, 2012, 07:49:30 AM »
Hi
Do not know about Jackfruit
but Pomelo irregularity with irrigation, mostly lack of water during fruit settings and fruit maturing can increase the all natural amount of fruit drop

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Not all plants are the same, not all will transport similar dose to reproductive organs
Toxicity to bees is a certainty,  What differ are those factors who build up the lethal dose
Among them: Reservoir that was left in the ground till the next bloom
(extremely variable).
How much the plant is transferring to the pollen(differ between plants)
Does Bees feed on one crop solely, or more
What is the formulation.
No doubt imidacloprid is effective against white fly, and extremely easy to use in any way
However
Its features, mainly dropping prices & easy to apply and forget,  making it very tempting
Yet it is advised to use it sparely and wisely only when really needed
Eventually, same as Organophosphate Pesticides were replaced by Pyrethroid Pesticides
which in their turn where replaced by neonicotinoid Pesticides
Those last ones In their turn will be replaced two
Already white fly populations begin to develop immunity mostly toward Imidacloprid,
and to lesser extent toward Acetamiprid,
For the meanwhile dosage change will suffice to handle those populations
The advise of using few different pesticides in circulation to prevent immunity
is forgotten by many farmers.

To conclude,
Not hugging trees at weekends, and not dancing naked at the camp fire,
Just being realistic and practical(opposed to theoretical)
Although that material is good for controlling white fly among others,
it is not a product without blemishes, Do not use it just because its cheep and easy
And if used try to apply not more than advised

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the avocado stem acts like a filter
How does it reach the leafs than.

I second CTMIAMI advises, Not to apply wile plants are blooming
And use as little as possible, Measure not by guessing, use accurate volumetric

Since that stuff is not needed on the surface, but at root depth
if the soil is dry drench it a bit with water, then with the diluted material, and again with
small amount of water so tat the roots will meet it quickly
 
 
 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pakistani Mulberry
« on: October 17, 2012, 05:07:44 PM »
Sleepdoc
Pakistani Mulberry are great
Good ones in Israel produce 3 crops per year, the only problem is that birds and bats are loving them covering the surrounding area with purple droppings
I believe they are quite hardy, much under freezing point, but do not know how they produce in cold climates, Think it is also referred to as Himalayan mulberry

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MarinFla, If you don't mind I would hitchhike and add few words
(If you do mind, I'll edit and remove them.)

Few points regarding Imidacloprid
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Something was probably eating the roots, until the imidacloprid drench stopped it

For not yet explained reason, Imidacloprid will occasionally boost growth
of vegetables and trees especially young ones, also if roots are healthy
end even in sterile soil

Although I have it in abundance, I'm only rarely using it, As It is hurting the bees
(observed it personally) think few times before using

The material is relatively stable and linger in the ground for long time

Although companies who produce flea control drops for dogs, claim their formulation
of Imidacloprid contain different molecular structure, enabling better solubility in oil,
professional dog breeders use the same agricultural grade(diluted) as an alternative

There is another neonicotinoid product Acetamiprid which is more stable toward light
and so it can be sprayed,
For Citrus  Acetamiprid is preferable than Imidacloprid
One formulations (mixed with color), Is brushed: painting a
ring around the trunk, it is absorbed that way(Citrus)
Do not know what about trees other than citrus
The problem is not so much adsorption, But more lingering and reaching the fruits





 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: please help with ants
« on: October 17, 2012, 03:20:19 PM »
amit, go there
http://www.ecogan.co.il/?CategoryID=177
There is a powder called Barkan

spinosad in Israel is marketed as Traser
http://www.dstore.co.il/yp/product.asp?pc=44171

You can buy them from(stores located all over):
http://www.hagarin.co.il/he/home/main/01/
http://www.hamashbir.co.il/
http://www.amir-agricul.co.il/
maybe also at few nurseries, hydro-shops, Ace, et cetera


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rollinia Problems
« on: October 16, 2012, 10:58:26 AM »


At the column under 6 are few of the alleged Rollinia deliciosa seeds which arrived today
they are from few months old stock, seed scarification was not done by me, they arrived like that, deed that will probably shorten even further the seed's period of viability.
After soak in water till they will sink (or not), they will be placed in peat moss
(kekkila germination grade)
Maybe I'll try few things like .1~.2% potassium nitrate, 350PPM gibberellic acid
24 hours bath, or just cracking few
But basically my preference is not to bother with them to much
If they will they will and if not not
Next update will be posted after they either sprout or rot


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona muricata question.
« on: October 09, 2012, 09:44:52 PM »
Very nice to see it fruiting in container, They have a tendency to give 2D show with the branches going east and west, wonder if they get confused wile moving them around?
If the possibility exist, The plant is young and early blooming is desired
I would also advise you to go safe and above 60, those plants are easily offended, and when offended they are Hard to pleas again, So they have some descent hysteresis
After They loose their leaves and grow tips, even during fast worming up in spring
they may take their time to kick start, and may give you old fashioned late entrance.
Behalf the roll humidity play, I have seen some variability in fruit size and shape,
there might be also some variability in cold tolerance.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona muricata question.
« on: October 09, 2012, 10:57:57 AM »
Was not following it precisely, but in Autumn (Israel) it lost its leaves maybe at 50-60°F
But flourished again in the summer, at humidity of 60 he had healthy leaves
Hated being in container (unless it is a big and deep one), The tap root is growing very fast
If you like those beautiful leaves, in addition you can also grow A Montana.


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Recher, I admire your sincerity and Courage (without any portion of Cynicism!).
And also understand your academic approach, plus all the arguments you brought up to the last
There is more to say but the nature of that topic wont allow.
Personally I do not agree that academic approach should roll the dice every single time
Academic approach provide order, development and security
Occasionally it could hold back progress (living aside the DS-2 for the moment)
Again there is more, but it wont be well understood here.
In a perverted way, every side here gets what he wants
Provocation is good advertisement for marketing products and ideas. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona reticulata var. (vinho-tinto)
« on: October 08, 2012, 12:25:47 PM »
What they sell there at that nursery(maybe mentioned it before?)
is an excel selection from the Volcani Institute of Agricultural Research

(Which is NOT related to Spock or Vulcans)
Heard the story of 47-18 landing here

But it is unlikely, at least to my understanding that at the Volcani Institute they will graft 47-18
and release it as the best selection, as there is not much selection made that way, beside different root stock maybe.
the people working there like to turn things upside down otherwise they wont get paid

Those were merely my 50 cents

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: tri-lobed leaves jackfruit seedling
« on: October 08, 2012, 10:02:18 AM »
Hi Steven
very steady and comfortable temperatures you've got there
Soil looks very good, seen it before at the photo of your uncle dry fig tree,
The slope extending at the background, very beautiful (assuming that is the same soil type)
I’ll search for Sepp Holzer and see what he has to say
Also at <14ºc Will check on the  seedlings and take some notes on who did what.
Bread bags sound excellently deep.
Here is a bit off topic recycling, gave me better results than Ziploc bags:


Perlite covered peat or coir


Can stand like that for months


Oscar do you remember if the seeds you sent went to Almagor Levona orchid, north of Galilee sea? there are 10 trees growing there.

That was the link mike, Thanks, Business wise Daley's approach is very understandable
One of  the reasons nurseries in Israel are selling almost solely Gefner is that
Customers are searching for certainty in their backyards, and orchards
Only few are searching further, and those few do not worth attention of big nurseries.
Other example in Israel but for the better is the citrus market who renovated its lines
With new varieties after tough competition from Spain brought it almost to standstill
Here is an Easy peeler Michal (hybrid of a Clementine x Dancy)
did not payed any attention to it after plating at spring, no imidacloprid for leaf borers neither acaricide, barely watered.









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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Naked Jackfruit
« on: October 08, 2012, 09:13:42 AM »
Was interesting to hear your opinions.
It is an Exception who proves the rule, Mutations aids in understanding the usual.
Don't think Jackfruit is something broken how needs a fix by mutating it.
However the possibility exists to have separate arrils rather than merged ones
If not mistaken they are not completely naked and moist
But rather separated Having individual crust for every bulb, bit like Bunch of bananas

here an other photo from that same article:
http://belabunsesamekite.blogspot.com/2010/08/naked-jackfruit-how-does-it-happen.html


Beside providing 3D aid for understanding that fruit better
It might have no further use Without excessive investments in research
Non the less it is something important enough to be aware of.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Naked Jackfruit
« on: October 07, 2012, 07:37:21 AM »
Article explaining the phenomenon of Jackfruit without skin
http://belabunsesamekite.blogspot.com/2010/08/naked-jackfruit-how-does-it-happen.html
Photo from that article named:nangka pisang (Jackfruit Banana)


an other place with nice photo of skinless jackfruit
http://lizdoug.blogspot.com/2012/02/bogor-second-day.html



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The first time, came across it was at eBay where a Thai seller sold and shipped grafted plants of: ขนุนแดงสุริยา (Jack Red Sun) and Tawai-1Year (early bearing)
He used filtered photo to advertise, as that same photo originated as dark orange rather than red
(even Thais I've spoken to lifted an eyebrow regarding the color)
According to him many countries confiscated his merchandise.
Someone (in Florida if not mistaken) from that forum had managed to get the grafted plant from him(do not remember who that was)
But getting to the point, as Mike mentioned, it seem to be more "Red Sun" than "red morning" at least when translated back and fourth
and the color is bit different (not that it has any influence on the fruit quality offered here).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: tri-lobed leaves jackfruit seedling
« on: October 05, 2012, 07:28:51 PM »
Mike, not so long ago you gave me an address to nursery with long Jackfruit list
is it the same one? the site is looking similar but the list is much shorter

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Noa Mango
« on: October 05, 2012, 06:51:24 PM »
Those names are mostly referring to developers children
Nimrod is a nice Israeli name, if grower would suspected the name interfere with marketing he might just market it under bogus name, like "delicious green".

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: tri-lobed leaves jackfruit seedling
« on: October 05, 2012, 06:29:45 PM »
If you'll grow "mini jack" lots of dwarfs will come to picnic under it
so grow there few mushrooms for them to seat
aHaa, Wanted to ask you the same question.
living not so far from the coastline, soil is fertile, but have its ills
heavy clay, pretty leveled(for the moment is used for fodder Oat, Alfalfa)
if planted with trees it’ll need mounds for better drainage and lots of red loam for the dig
Coldest month Temps are around 5°C~10°C(mostly regulated by relatively warm sea)
Occasionally to rarely, when inland air is pushing back, lite frost (-2°C )
may drop and linger for few hours during the early morning, just kissing the ground.
Humidity around 65%
Summer highest 36°C+ (normal 33°C~ 28°C day  night)
It might be boot camp for jackfruits from tip to toe
That is why I’m stashing so many seedlings, but don't worry they won't be abused
Mike has certain level of optimism regarding the weather
His optimism is infectious
Few Jackfruit trees are fruiting in Israel , Oscar sent Black gold seeds
numerous years ago(please correct me if I'm wrong) which fruited.

Oscar If you are right than at least I'll have a couple of good trees
that is more optimistic than expected(acording to spartan pessimism)
Than add to it an exception to the rule, that is give or take one
It is leaving me with 1-3 good jackfruit seedlings, Huraaa.

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