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Title: Which Atemoya?
Post by: Jungle Yard on May 14, 2019, 03:04:38 PM
Which atemoya, do you think, I should choose?

African Pride,
Bradley,
Gefner,
Page,
Priestly,
Pink's Mammoth

Your input is highly appreciated. Thanks
Title: Re: Which Atemoya?
Post by: Kaelix87 on May 14, 2019, 03:10:00 PM
You can always start with any of those and then graft all the other ones onto it in the future
Title: Re: Which Atemoya?
Post by: achetadomestica on May 14, 2019, 03:14:59 PM
Lisa was my favorite fruit in my yard last year.
Also the Dream is high up on favorites in Florida.
My lisa is full of small fruit this year!

 
(https://i.postimg.cc/PNj3DksW/lisa-dream-monstera.png) (https://postimg.cc/PNj3DksW)
Title: Re: Which Atemoya?
Post by: mangokothiyan on May 14, 2019, 03:39:23 PM

Anyone knows where I can get a Dream atemoya tree? Would love to plant one.
Title: Re: Which Atemoya?
Post by: roblack on May 14, 2019, 04:19:58 PM

Anyone knows where I can get a Dream atemoya tree? Would love to plant one.

Easier to find scions and graft.

If memory serves me correctly, Mike at TreesNMore had some Dream trees when I was there a while back.
Title: Re: Which Atemoya?
Post by: Ulfr on May 14, 2019, 09:18:33 PM
African Pride,
Bradley,
Gefner,
Page,
Priestly,
Pink's Mammoth

I have only tried half of them but of those I would definitely choose Pink's Mammoth. I haven't heard of the other three, any good?
Title: Re: Which Atemoya?
Post by: bradflorida on May 14, 2019, 10:22:15 PM
Fruitscapes has had Dream trees in the past.
Title: Re: Which Atemoya?
Post by: John Travis on May 14, 2019, 10:49:37 PM

Anyone knows where I can get a Dream atemoya tree? Would love to plant one.

You can usually find them at the Manatee County plant sale.
Title: Re: Which Atemoya?
Post by: Orkine on May 14, 2019, 10:58:47 PM
I was going to suggest Treesnmore too.
He has a great selection.
Title: Re: Which Atemoya?
Post by: Jungle Yard on May 14, 2019, 11:00:55 PM
African Pride,
Bradley,
Gefner,
Page,
Priestly,
Pink's Mammoth

I have only tried half of them but of those I would definitely choose Pink's Mammoth. I haven't heard of the other three, any good?

Thank you Ulfr for your suggestion.
I only tried Gefner from this list, which I liked a lot, but can't compare to others, as I haven't tried those.
Title: Re: Which Atemoya?
Post by: Coach62 on May 15, 2019, 06:22:26 AM

Anyone knows where I can get a Dream atemoya tree? Would love to plant one.

I got mine at Fruitscapes in  Bokeelia. That’d be quite a drive for you though.
Title: Re: Which Atemoya?
Post by: WGphil on May 15, 2019, 10:44:59 AM
Ditto on fruitscapes being where I got mine
Title: Re: Which Atemoya?
Post by: mangokothiyan on May 15, 2019, 12:42:25 PM
Ditto on fruitscapes being where I got mine

Did they have the tree in 3 gallon or 7 gallon?
Title: Re: Which Atemoya?
Post by: Tiberivs on May 15, 2019, 01:55:52 PM
I would love to get either a Lisa or dream or both ? Miami area what are my options? Do I have to learn how to graft and what root stock would I have to use? Would sugar Apple rootstock work ? I would rather buy a small tree though.
Title: Re: Which Atemoya?
Post by: achetadomestica on May 15, 2019, 03:01:58 PM
I would love to get either a Lisa or dream or both ? Miami area what are my options? Do I have to learn how to graft and what root stock would I have to use? Would sugar Apple rootstock work ? I would rather buy a small tree though.

Steve at Fruitscapes told me they had issues with their rootstock and wouldn't be grafting
their own annonas this season so no 3 gallons? I called about 2 weeks ago and they had 15 gallon
geffners in stock. I drove out there and they had probably 15-20 more. Real nice trees
the one I got is pushing 6' in the ground, I'm thinking let it grow this year and next year
I should get plenty of fruit. I have a limited amount of Lisa and dream scions now.
PM if interested?
I currently am trying to get some sugarapple and cherimoya seedlings started for next
spring. I wanted to get La Habra sun and since I liked the Lisa so much I want to get
a birula grafted next year. I did get some 47-18 scions grafted this year but it is too soon
to know if any will take. Also got a pink mammoth that's trying to push.
Orkine mentioned Mike at Trees and More will have 3 gallon Lisa and Dream and he
told me he had 3 gallon geffners now
Title: Re: Which Atemoya?
Post by: mangokothiyan on May 15, 2019, 03:56:22 PM
I would love to get either a Lisa or dream or both ? Miami area what are my options? Do I have to learn how to graft and what root stock would I have to use? Would sugar Apple rootstock work ? I would rather buy a small tree though.

Steve at Fruitscapes told me they had issues with their rootstock and wouldn't be grafting
their own annonas this season so no 3 gallons? I called about 2 weeks ago and they had 15 gallon
geffners in stock. I drove out there and they had probably 15-20 more. Real nice trees
the one I got is pushing 6' in the ground, I'm thinking let it grow this year and next year
I should get plenty of fruit. I have a limited amount of Lisa and dream scions now.
PM if interested?
I currently am trying to get some sugarapple and cherimoya seedlings started for next
spring. I wanted to get La Habra sun and since I liked the Lisa so much I want to get
a birula grafted next year. I did get some 47-18 scions grafted this year but it is too soon
to know if any will take. Also got a pink mammoth that's trying to push.
Orkine mentioned Mike at Trees and More will have 3 gallon Lisa and Dream and he
told me he had 3 gallon geffners now

Thank you for the information! I spoke with Steve earlier today as well. They don't have Dream in 3 gallon or 7 gallon. Mike doesn't have them as well now. I guess I will have to wait until Spring next year.
Title: Re: Which Atemoya?
Post by: Kona fruit farm on May 16, 2019, 01:50:04 AM
honestly i haven't had most of these on the list  but i've had "dream" and it is amazing.  not many seeds either.
Title: Re: Which Atemoya?
Post by: Guanabanus on May 16, 2019, 10:25:16 AM
The easiest way to avoid being careless or too loose with terminology about Annona hybrids, is simply to call them "Annona Hybrids".

True "Atemoyas" ["ate" = Sugar-Apple", and "moya" is short for Cherimoya] are crosses of Annona squamosa with Annona cherimola, ONLY.
This word was coined by an early Annona hybridizer, over 100 years ago, for this type of cross.  Either of these two species may be the seed parent or pollen parent, and the total ancestry may be in any proportion, such as 1/8 to 7/8 Sugar-Apple, or Cherimoya.  So this definition is somewhat loose, but within reason, as a popular term. 

What looses meaningfulness, is to allow, without objection, the word "atemoya" to be used for any Annona hybrid, or, even, as one now often sees, any non-Soursop Annona at all.

So the Annona Hybrid 47---18 is not an "atemoya".  In my Annona breeder's specific terminology, it is a "Temoylata" [Atemoya seed parent, pollinated by Annona reticulata].