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Temperate Fruit & Orchard Online Library / Plants for a future
« on: April 29, 2015, 11:59:48 AM »
http://www.pfaf.org/user/edibleuses.aspx

Thought I would get the ball rolling in this board:)

Pfaf is a really good resource for edible temperate plants.
They also have alot of temperate fruits I had never heard of and extensive info on hundreds of species.
Info is in a very user friendly format all in all a great source of knowledge.
I really wish there was a site like this for tropicals too.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Seedling ID if possible
« on: April 27, 2015, 04:04:45 PM »
Two seedlings I have growing they may be too small to ID but it's worth a shot:)
First one is definitely garcinia as on.part of the name was rubbed off. Second one no clue but even at its small size it has a proportionately large thick root growing somewhat horizontal for some reason.
Garcinia sp?!?

Thick root unknown
Leaves feel like covered in very fine soft fur(not sure the botanical term for this but would also like to know that)


Any insight appreciated:) thanks guys
I think they both come from kerala India but I'm not 100% sure of that

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So I started growing flowers at about 19-20  on my balcony for various reasons little did I know how I would fall in love with plants.
After a year or so I started looking at herbs and medicinal plants I also had a keen interest in growing entheogens that I still hold today.
I eventually progressed into vegies and started my own veggie patch this was really where I become a plant fanatic, eating my own vegetables was a feeling I never could have imagined. The pride and sense of accomplishment I received was unbelievable.
The internet and one of those "ten fruits youve never heard of" articles blew my mind it turned a fanatic into the unhealthily obsessed :o
How many other worthwhile fruits had I just not heard of? I started thinking. My ignorant mind had just believed there was maybe a small variation across countries but nothing major and I wasnt really missing out, any fruits I hadnt heard of I thought must be worthless and thats why I had never heard of them.
How wrong I was!!
I desperately started searching out seeds and plants of the less common fruits and getting a pay pal in 2013 opened up a whole new world 8)
Finding this forum just pushed my obsessions further still and I voraciously lurked this website for months.
So also a few months after this I started thinking that Marula cant be the only fruit from my region and started making notebooks of species and calling botanical gardens and indigenous nurseries, ordering from silverhill and other sources and trying to get as many indigenous fruits as possible.
Though Im yet to fruit most of them Iv managed to collect and germinate a few as well as buy some older plants.
I want to share my pictures here as searching the internet info is often scarce on them and I would have loved to stumble upon a thread like this!
I hope to make these plants more widely known in my country one day and maybe even open an edible nursery here, I would love to find nutrition high plants and distribute them freely in the townships and rural areas to increase food security and a love of the plants the people of this country once cherished but now have widely forgotten.
Im 26 years old now and hopefully have enough years to explore my passion alot further!
Anyone else with info or pics of fruit from Southern African regions(Zimbabwe, Namibia, Botswana, South Africa etc) would be cool if you also post!
I will post pics as time allows my crappy internet takes forever on the pics.

Ancylobothrys capensis - Rock apricot


Balanites maughamii






Berchemia discolor



Dialium schlechteri





Diospyros lycioides



Diospyros mespiliformis



Dovyalis caffra






Dovyalis zeyheri






Grewia-occidentalis,flava,flavescens(left to right) - Raisin bushes




occidentalis

Pleasantly sweet but uncomplex. Skin is edible but fibrous small seeds are spat out. It has on seed per bulge in the berry.
Definitely a minor fruit but apparently high in nutrients and minerals.

flavascens



Mimmusops-
obovata




elengeni(I think?? got these fruits from Zim)



Pleasant fruit. texture like mash potato, taste like hmmm sweetened slightly fruity pumpkin. Skin edible but not nice texture. Pulp can be squeezed out to avoid skin. Nothing to right home about but worth having if you have the space IMO.

Pappea capensis







Parinari curatellifolia




Pseudolachnostylis maprouneifolia - Kudu Berry


Sclerocarya-Marula





These were bought from a guy at the robot







Marula is one of my favorite fruit. Deliciously sweet every so slightly acid and to my taste buds caramel undertones. Downside is low flesh to seed ratio, but this is more than made up for with its flavors and juiciness. Its very easy to squeeze juice out too.
Other pluses the nut is edible and apparently tasty.
It fruits so abundantly one cant possible eat all the fruits a medium size tree produces
Drought tolerant

Strycnos spinosa - Monkey Orange




Vangueria infausta - Milk plum





Honorable mentions
Moringa

Katha edulis - Bushmans tea


I will update and add more pictures and info as the plants get older and if I get any flowers or fruits:)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Ancylobothrys capensis
« on: April 08, 2015, 06:40:29 AM »
Anyone ever taste this? Im getting two small plants this month been searching for this for a very long time! Its related to landophia and meant to taste really good :D
and copious flowers that smell like jasmine




http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantab/ancylobcap.htm
http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantab/ancylobcap.htm









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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Jubaeopsis caffra
« on: March 13, 2015, 03:39:28 AM »
Anyone ever grow this edible palm?
Fruits are meant to be tastey 2-4cm and its pretty cold hardy.

I was recently offered seeds and I snapped them up but then I read this online:


"Growing Jubaeopsis caffra

In view of the limited natural population, which is already threatened by over-exploitation for horticulture, the single most important piece of advice for would-be growers of this palm is DON'T! The tree is protected and there is no legal source of seed. Seedlings are almost certainly raised illegally too, and one should not buy them without written guarantees of permission to possess them."

Iv already ordered the seeds surely it would be a waste not to plant them but what is the likelihood of me getting in deep shyte over having them? What is my legal responsibility?
I know my source is conscientious and doesn't decimate wild populations so Im more concerned with if I could get into trouble at all.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Elder berry
« on: February 12, 2015, 04:13:20 PM »
Had a beautiful little plant in ground for a few years now it flowers but no fruit.

Does it need to be cross pollinated?

Anyone ever use the flowers to make a drink? I heard you can do this but mine don't taste sweet at all.
Any info and especially experiences on elder berry I would love to hear:)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / JABOTICABA PONHEMA
« on: October 03, 2014, 05:27:51 AM »
http://www.availableseeds.com/new-items-september-october-2014/myrciaria-cauliflora-var-ponhema-jaboticaba-ponhema/

Anyone see this variety of jaboticaba before? It looks really nice and tastey:) They also had coronata that looked as big as a snooker ball! But abit pricey for only five seeds.
So is this ponhema jabo legit?(I realise it has no guarantee to come true from seeds)  It's so jet black and shiny with a nipple and lots of flesh looks like. Would the coronata be a better choice? I struggle with opportunity cost analysis with plants he he I just want to buy it all! They also have Campomanesia xanthocarpa which in one of the pics looks so juicy and delicious it instantly pricked my interest anyone try it before?
http://cdn.nuvemshop.com.br/stores/062/332/products/guabibroa4-8a231c69069825496b6ba0157bd50c36-1024-1024.jpg
 

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Citrus General Discussion / Naartjie-Citrus unishiu
« on: September 04, 2014, 06:26:46 PM »
This is one of my favorite citrus fruits and extremly popular in my country. The best examples are extremly sweet and juicy. The nice thing about this fruit is the peel is mostly separate from the fruit and can be peeled off by hand very quickly. Also the fruit is in a few segments that can be separated and popped in the mouth without getting sticky juice on your hands:)
Anyone else growing this?
How productive is it?
Here is my grafted plant I think it's on rough lemon rootstock as that's what we mostly use here.




It's put on so much new growth since it got warmer. It sailed through a very cold winter without any damage at all. Temperature was down to at least -3C on a few nights. I heard it can take down  to -6 though.






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mimusops
« on: August 31, 2014, 04:48:21 PM »
My girlfriends aunt from Zimbabwe brought down these mimusops. She is not sure the exact species but I'm thinking it's zeyheri? Can anyone confirm?






So I quite liked it. The flesh is very soft it has a similar texture to a well cooked soft baked potato you can even squeeze it out of the skin easily. The skin is edible but I prefer without it. The taste is sweet no acid at all. The flavour reminds me of something but I can't put my finger on it, I think it's similar. In taste to how I ate butternut as a child with lots of sugar:) I think this may be quite nice on toast and would spread easily.
I'm keen to get to her farm in the Matopos she told me there are many other wild fruits there.
Excitingly she informed me that they have both strychnos cocculoides and Madagascarensis on the farm. Can't wait to go!

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http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2014/04/24/the-most-versatile-impressionist-in-the-forest/

Native to moist temperate forests in Chile. Very interesting vine the only plant known that can mimic the host plants leaves that it is growing on. It is not known how it "knows" what shape and size to make its leaves.
It also has what is meant to be a very tastey white berry.
I think it is hardy to Zone 8
Anyone tasted this?
And anyone know where seeds could be obtained?

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Cherimoya



Rollinia (older leaves had severe chlorosis but we're removed new growth is healthy green but shiny)



Starfruit



It should also be noted the siblings for these guys with basically the same conditions don't have the same problems infact these are the most vigorous/largest of their respective groups. I have been rotating between two fertilisers both liquid and both with ok micros one 3:1:6 and the other 3:1:2( it's a hydrangea and acid loving plants food) I also use abit of fish emulsion added each time. chelate iron I tried with no real improvement. Especially the carambola and cherimoya did not respond to iron chelate.
Allure under 400watt Hps so it could also be too much or too little light even stress from not enough blue spectrum light? They all grow very fast and sometimes the adult leaves come alright but the cherimoya is only getting worse older leaves green but with necrotic patches:(
Any help or insights are appreciated I.know it's a pain to have newbie threads like this but I have been searching for info for .weeks now nothing seems to .help!
Thanks in advance.

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Hi I recently ordered many 100s seeds of fruiting plants indigenous to where I live, South Africa.
Our indigenous food plants are little known here and I am on a quest to popularize food and fruit plants in my country especially indigenous ones. However very recently the plastic of my large greenhouse has succumb to the highveld sun and early winter wind. It is still early winter here with frequent light frosts so I will have to germinate in my much smaller greenhouse and/or inside  I will consequently have far more seeds than I can feasibly use at the moment unfortunately. I will be getting them in the next few weeks and they are all this seasons seeds.
Anything I make will be going towards a poly tunnel I am buying in a couple months that I have been saving for a long time.
Im open to trades too if its something I dont have!
I was thinking 1$ for the very large seeds like Marula and maybe 50c for the much smaller seeds + 6$ shipping standard mail
but I am open to negotiation if this doesnt sound fair Iv only ever traded seeds.

Heres what I have:

Annona senegalensis-African custard apple
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annona_senegalensis

Dialium schlechteri-Sherbert fruit
http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantcd/dialiumschlechteri.htm
"The fruits are edible and very popular with Zulu children, as they are very tasty. According to some people, they taste exactly like sherbet. The pulp is sometimes mixed with water and milk to make a refreshing drink""the pods are oval, thin-shelled and velvety red-brown (25 mm long). A bright orange, dry pith surrounds the seeds. The brown fruits are usually borne in profusion from autumn onwards"

Diospyros lycioides-bluebush, star-apple, monkey plum
http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantcd/diospyroslyc.htm
"The fruit has a pleasant, sweetish taste, with jelly-like flesh when ripe; the young fruit is covered by hairs, but is smooth when ripe and turns from red to reddish brown to black"

Diospyros mespiliformis-African ebony, jackal-berry
http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantcd/diospyrosmespil.htm
" The fruit is a fleshy berry, with an enlarged calyx, yellow to orange when ripe""Ripe fruits are relished by indigenous people, especially by children. Fruits are eaten fresh or are dried for later use"

Dovyalis caffra-Kei-appel
http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantcd/dovycaf.htm
"The fruits are up to 60 mm in diameter and are yellowish orange in colour.""The fruits are edible and make excellent jam"

Dovyalis rhamnoides-sourberry
http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantcd/dovyalisrhamnoides.htm
"This is a spiny, evergreen shrub or tree bearing edible fruit""The plant can be used as a hedge or can be planted as a tree. Its fruits are edible and very delicious. They can also be used to make jam, jelly preserve, vinegar and brandy"

Grewia flava-Wild or Velvet Raisin, Brandybush
http://www.hartebeestfonteinconservancy.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=161:velvet-brandybush-grewia-flava&catid=67:tree-of-the-month&Itemid=73
http://fruitandnuttrees.com/brandy-bush-grewia-flava


Manilkara concolor-Zulu milkberry
Manilkara discolor-Forest milkberry
http://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Manilkara+discolor
http://books.google.co.za/books?id=RpVJJH3kV0oC&pg=PA504&lpg=PA504&dq=Manilkara+concolor&source=bl&ots=gSsy36OaHe&sig=fyLOtaUG0Ng6M_rQa3B-TSm-VEM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wx6gU6fPIOSp7Aa5hICIBg&ved=0CB8Q6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=Manilkara%20concolor&f=false
Both are apparently very tastey. The one link describes discolour as the best of all wild fruits

Parinari curatellifolia-mobola-plum, cork tree, hissing tree
http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantnop/parinaricurat.htm
"Generally, these trees are not cleared away as the fruits are edible (and very tasty at that) and can readily be made into a nutritious syrup or more commonly as porridge. The fruits are also occasionally utilized for the brewing of alcoholic beverages. The seeds, which bear oil, may be eaten raw in the form of nuts.""The fruit is a drupe, and is yellow-orange with grey speckles when ripe. The oval or rounded fruit which has a scaly texture, may take up to a year to ripen and is found at twig ends. These plum-like fruits are ± 50 mm long with a yellow edible flesh. The fruits taste pleasant when completely ripe and tend to ripen on the ground"

Sclerocarya birrea-Marula
http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantqrs/sclerobirr.htm
"The fruit is edible, eaten either fresh or made into a delicious jelly. It also makes alcoholic beer known as Mukumbi by the Vhavenda people. A marula liqueur is available commercially. The white nut is highly nutritious and is eaten as it is or mixed with vegetables. Fruit-farming communities prefer planting a couple of these trees to attract pollinators to their farm in early spring."In the former homeland of Venda it was a criminal offence to cut down a living tree of this species""The edible fruits and the multiple uses associated with almost all parts of the marula, make it one of southern Africa's most valued trees."

Strychnos pungens-Spine-leaved monkey-orange
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11879&page=309
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strychnos_pungens
fruit is unique sweet/tart flavour can be almost as large as a grapefruit. Very thick hard woody rind that means it lasts and travels well. Trees very productive and can be grown in arid regions.

Ximenia americana-yellow plum or sea lemon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ximenia_americana
"The fruit is edible but very sour"eaten raw and are used to make a sour preserve or an intoxicating drink (Rindl, 1921). The seed and fruit pulp contain hydro-cyanic acid."The oil is extracted from the kernel and used in various ways. An edible, non-drying oil is produced which is suitable for soap manufacture and lubrication and has been used traditionally as a cosmetic to anoint the body and as a cure for chapped and dry feet (Venter and Venter, 1996).
It is also used to daub on the hair as a conditioner. The bushmen oil their bows and bow strings with it, and use it to anoint themselves because it softens the skin. Pedi women use it in preparing traditional leather aprons (Palmer and Pitman, 1972; Booth and Wickens, 1988). The oil is also used to soften leather and is burned as a torch. The bark and roots of both species have a wide variety of medicinal uses and a leaf infusion of Ximenia caffra is thought to dispel bad dreams."

Some other species I have but have no info on are:
artabotrys brachypetalus-Purple hook-berry
Artabotrys monteiroae-Red Hook Berry
Uvaria lucida-(hairy orange brown fruits)
They are all lianes/climbing shrubs in the annonaceae family with edible fruit. Thats about all I could find the fruits are weird looking though!

I can get pictures online but not too sure about the legality of using others pictures the links should have pictures and descriptions though.
As for personal opinions on taste I havnt ever tried most of them sorry. I have had Marula(delicious one of my favorite best description is a slightly tart caramel) I have only ever tasted Strychnos spinosa not the pungens which I am getting but I assume is similar? spinosa is a unique sweet and abit tart flavor very good and juicy. The pungens supposedly has the least amount of alkaloids in the seeds but seeds should still not be eaten.


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When growing a liana type plant in a greenhouse enviroment are there any specific ways of growing them that are best?

Should you force them into a tree or shrublike habit with stakes? Let them share a pot with a stronger tree to climb on naturally or just let them do whatever they want maybe tie it togreen house roof if it grows tall then horizontal as they do in nature? Espalier?
Ofcourse fruiting habits of the particular plant would also need to be taken into consideration but in general is there a rule of thumb for container liana type plants.
 iv searched and can't find much info on this.
It's always nice if you can keep a plants natural growth habit for looks but this my not be practical in containers.
Does anyone have experience growing trees like this in a container situation?
Thank you.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Ideal photoperiod?
« on: April 14, 2014, 09:18:00 AM »
I wanted to ask specifically about indoor day/night lengths and finding the right balance when growing a mix of tropicals, ceteris paribus(not sure if this term has relevance outside of economics just means assume all other variables are constant) .

12/12, 18/6, 20/4, 24/0 are some different variations I have seen.
I have tried 24/0 on the vegetative stage of certain annuals with great results in the past but annuals are very different to perennials.
Currently I have some young seedling(<4months) fruit trees on 20/4.
The rollinias and cherimoyas seem to love the extra light but Im not sure about the others especially my jabuticaba seedlings that dont look that happy, however its hard to tell since I have had a ph issue that may be the cause of that.

Theres alot of info online on how photoperiod effects different annuals but what about perennials and trees?
Is the photoperiod during the juvenile stages different to mature plants?
Is there any kind of min max with regards to day and night length?

Has anyone experimented with non 24 hour days eg 12/4, 6/2, 3/1 etc to essentially have more than one day/night cycle per 24hours?

Also if you overwinter inside and grow outside for summer will the sudden change to natural day length adversely effect the plants?

I know from past googlings on the subject that there are some experienced indoor growers on this forum. Part of the reason I joined here was to cut out the middle man since google sent me to so many threads on this site:)

Any experience or info would be greatly appreciated.

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I recently ordered some seeds locally and stumbled across some interesting indigenous fruits in the family Annonacea so I ordered them but info online is very scarce.

Uvaria lucida( Evergr climber/shrub, elliptic grey lvs with prominent veins, heads of fleshy green fl, hairy orange brown fruits. Sow Sp. Zone 10.







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