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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Reed avocado, welcomed surprise
« on: January 16, 2022, 09:19:27 AM »
I have this Reed tree since 2013. In the last few years never paid much attention to it because by the end of December all the fruit was in the ground and before December the fruit was small and not reach it best maturity.
This year seems to be different. The tree has 40-50 fruit, it is holding them well, the fruit is continuing to grow. I picked one in early January and allow it to ripen in the counter. These are the attached pictures. Very clean an acceptable taste.
The only explanation I have is that we had a cooler November, allowing the tree to make a transition without dropping the fruit.
I wonder if anyone else is growing it in Florida?








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I have been observing Annonas for the last few months.

1. The Picture below are from a tree in a friend's orchard.  He does not know what it is, it was there before he got there. Is a very dark mauve color almost black. Can you guess if it can be identified?

2. The other green squamosas on the premises have a small winter crop, but about 40% of the fruit got mummified by the borer.  I have been noticing this a few times I have seen this mauve tree, it has no mummified fruit.  Are the people growing mauve squamosas notice less incident of the borer in them vs the greens?  Or this is just a fluke?
 




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I read a lot of different choices. Some people germinate in bags using different media, some say they allow the seeds to dry, then hydrate, stratify seeds etc. etc. etc.

What is what works for you on a consistent basis?

Your input is appreciated

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Atemoya pruning advise, newly planted Geffner
« on: October 17, 2021, 01:23:19 PM »
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This Geffner Atemoya on Squamosa rootstock,  was planted about 6 weeks ago, full sun. Is growing well,  continues to push new growth. It is on my avocados fertigation program since I have not had time to isolate it, but seems to like it.  The tree is 6 feet tall now, as the picture shows one single branch with no intention of branching.  My question is: Do I top it now at 4 feet from the ground or do I let it go dormant (if it ever does, my avocados don’t ) and prune it in February or March?  Pros and cons of doing one or the other.

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I stopped  to see a friend today to see if he had any green Annona squamosa,  to get a few to get them ready for grafting in the spring.  He pointed to an area and said "there is the runt of the litter" he had planted over 1000+ green anon,  sold them all and a group of about 15 were left that no one wanted.  Then among the group I saw this guy holding fruit in a 1/4 gal pot .  The plant is about 14" high
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The question is,  that instead of grafting it,  I think may be I should  plant it to see if this propensity to set fruit translates into the adult plant.  I  wonder if any one has experience with this?

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If you have information please contribute to this thread.  As avocados disappear victims to  Laurel Wilt,  I'm  looking for crops not subjected to import pressures. Annonas fit the criteria, they are delicate for international shipping.

Cultivar, Rootstock used, production, diseases etc.

Carlos

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Locally if possible. Can use a few seedlings as well.  I have some waldin seedlings and Toro Cayon avocado to trade
PM please

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For people living in central Florida and above, as well as in Texas and other Gulf states where growing avocado is a problem due to cooler temperatures. You can always get trees grafted onto standard local seedlings, or the traditional Lula or  Waldin seedlings. You can also graft on two well know cold  tolerant seedlings. Toro Canyon and Duke 7 in addition to cold tolerance into the mid 20'S they have disease resistance for various types of Phytophthora cinnamomi and in the case of Toro phytophthora Citricola.  For this to work first there has to be availability, second the nursery has to get some extra income because while you can graft a Waldin 3-4 month after you plant the seed,  in the case of the Toro and Duke it can take up as much as a year. This may not even coincide with the ideal grafting season with the possibility of having to grow the seedling longer than 12 months.
With this survey I can get an idea if it is worth for me for grow these two in Homestead for purpose of selling the seeds for root stocks.
Your cooperation is appreciated

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This season I have seen a couple of Kensington Pride  Mango trees,  full of fruit and very very clean clean,   I wonder if anyone one has any experience with it as root stock in Florida. I know is used in Australia as a root stock but would be nice to use here since the fruit is nice and taste decent.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Is Ott Mango under appreciated?
« on: June 21, 2021, 02:11:01 PM »
Seems to me that there are a lot of mangos that go unappreciated. Ott may be one of them. This Father's Day we had a mango tasting with about 15 varieties. about 10 participants ages 10 to 75.   Ott mango came in with ratings of 9-10, I had tasted before and thought it was just as good or better that some of the "top tier"  mangos.  In addition is a clean tree,  clean  and colorful fruit.  I have seen the tree and seems very resistant to our usual maladies that affect mangos in South Florida

It may sacrilegious to some but it was up there with Sweet Tart and under Pineapple pleasure.     

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Azucar Mangos from Colombia
« on: June 12, 2021, 09:54:54 AM »
I have been trying to determine if these mangos are grown from seed or grafted. Is Azucar and Hilacha polyembrionic?  Are they used as rootstocks for other mangos. They look like some turpentines I have seen and even look like 13-1.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Gomera 3 Mango bud wood or seeds
« on: May 22, 2021, 09:38:07 AM »
I'm looking for Gomera 3 mango bud wood or seeds.  Can buy or trade.   
PM with info.

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Avocado Laurel Wilt-Ambrosia Beetle (LW-AB) Workshop  Hosted by University of Florida
Date: Feb. 11, 2021 (Thursday) Time: 10:00AM-3:00PM (Eastern Standard Time)

Venue: Zoom; attendance limited so register early.  You must register in advance for this meeting:

https://ufl.zoom.us/meeting/register/tJwrde-uqjgoGtGqRC8dBHoNJ7In5vXvS75N

 After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the meeting.

Purpose and target audience:

To offer updates of both basic and applied research on LW-AB to avocado producers, scientists, and other interested parties.
To offer Florida avocado producers and others the opportunity to attend an on-line meeting focused on laurel wilt and ambrosia beetle vectors affecting avocado production.


See attached Flyer:



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Daisy Avocado. Help finding its origen
« on: January 16, 2021, 10:23:43 AM »
Back in 2014 I got bud wood to top work a tree. Never paid much attention to this tree. Tasted the fruit a couple of times and did not like it. Recently I picked up a couple of fruits and they do taste excellent at this time of the year.  I have a vague recollection that a forum member gave it to me when I was looking for B flower trees.  This may be one of the "Cold Hardy" varieties in Northern.
Florida.  Not sure.   Not a lot of info on line on this. Is anyone growing this or know anything about it? 


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Who is Growing Lamb Hass in Florida?
« on: January 01, 2021, 10:25:02 AM »
The reason I ask is because it seem to me that is probably the best "Hass" that can be grown in Florida with some minor cultural adaptations.  We have been eating them for a couple of weeks with excellent quality. We did have to change the timing for eating away from out traditional "soft to the touch" More to a color change. In addition to other sanitation practices to reduce post harvest disease.

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My Oro Negro Avocado started turning black on the tree around the first week of October.   I picked some and they did not ripen well. Totally tasteless, chewy, not matured.  Prior years I have picked my firsts in Mid November with the color change. Turning Color has always been a signal but this year extra rain and temperature is playing havoc with this variety. Any one experiencing this? 

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I just update my web page on the subject:
​ September 7, 2020: I have not been keeping up on Catalina. The tree at home and the top worked tree in the grove both lost to the hurricane Irma in 2017. The only survivor is the Catalina on Catalina shown in the picture of September 2015. A small tree that was planted between two vigorous trees, as result growing very slowly. Finally this year set 10 fruits. To my amazement I find that the fruit taste very different from the tree at home, actually better. The tree at home produced a very oily fruit with a canistel like taste that I really did not preferred. The fruit from the grove, is much better, creamy, lighter in a way. I measure my preference to where I go to get fruit to eat at home. Every day I'm, going by this tree to take one fruit for home.  eat 1/2 with the meal and save the other 1/2 for avocado toast in the morning. Even the shape of the fruit is different. Is less round, bigger seed. That has always been my theory, the terroir imparts a lot of the fruit taste and character.  My home is probably the only house in Dade County that is not on rock. I have clay soil, heavily compacted and deep. Last time we dug at 15 feet we still had clay. Probably I'm on an ancient waterhole.
The tree at home was probably grafted on a Waldin seedling and this one on a Catalina.  That's another story for another time.

https://www.myavocadotrees.com/catalina-avocado.html

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FOR THOSE COMMERCIAL AVOCADO  IN PLACES WHERE THE DISEASE HAS NOT REACHED, CHILE, PERU, NEW ZEALAND, AUSTRALIA, MEXICO, CALIFORNIA GET FAMILIAR WITH THE CHALLENGES THIS DISEASE PRESENT.
Current status of laurel wilt research. Wednesday May 20 2020, 9:00-11:30

https://ufl.zoom.us/j/275226269?pwd=bGpOVEYrZGFQOFVlVzNxVnp5ZlVIQT09

Participants
INTRODUCTION AND WELCOME

9:00 Jiri Hulcr: Short introduction to the Bark Beetle Mycobiome group (5 minutes)
MOLECULAR BIOLOGY

Jeff Rollins: Studying R. lauricola pathogenesis through comparative genomics and transcriptomics
Josh Konkol: GFP strain, colonization of the host plant by R. lauricola
Qiang Wang: An efficient CRISPR/Cas9 gene knock-out system in R. lauricola
Ross A. Joseph: Generation of multiple R. lauricola reporter strains and their use in colonization and infection studies
BIOLOGY

Daniel Carrillo: Laurel wilt vectors in avocado
Octavio Menocal Sandoval: Research proposal, Xyleborus bispinatus: A case of symbiont flexibility?
Kirsten Stelinski: Investigating the role of the Xyleborus microbial community in R. lauricola transmission
ECOLOGY,

Denita Hadziabdic: Laurel wilt advancing North
Robin Choudhury: LW dispatch from the Texas front
Andrés Lira Noriega: Modelling for risk assessment of laurel wilt in Mexico
Jason Smith: Redbay heritable resistance, rebounding populations and re-thinking transmission
DETECTION

Caterina Villari: Rapid in-field detection of R. lauricola from host and vector tissues using LAMP
Julian Mendel and DeEtta (Dee) Mills: Detector dogs
Pedro Parra Giraldo: Culture-independent Laurel Wilt diagnosis in avocado groves
MANAGEMENT

Romina Gazis: Testing “Out-Of-The-Box” Ideas to Control Laurel Wilt of Avocado
José Luis Olivares-Romero: Synthesis of novel insecticides for the management of ambrosia beetles
Jonathan Crane: Laurel wilt status in avocado groves and grower-initiated control testing
Xavier Martini and Derrick Connover: Push-pull system to protect redbay and avocado against Laurel Wilt

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There are several brand of these cloning machines. I think they are oriented for weed growers.  I wonder if anyone has tred them for Mango, Avocado etc.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Utuado Avocado fruit
« on: November 28, 2019, 01:38:15 PM »
https://youtu.be/Vx0olkMdZM4

I have seen this fruit tree in a couple of  nurseries. Wanted to do a short review on it and possibly answer any questions.

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Open Letter to Avocado Producers: 

I grow tropical avocados commercially in Homestead, Florida. That's been my passion for the last 16  years, The last five years have been a frustrating nightmare caused by Laurel Wilt. This morning I marked three more trees for extraction in addition to the 10 trees I marked three days ago.  I lose about 20-25  a month and it's on the rise.
The largest avocado-producing areas are free of the problem at the moment. In South Florida, tropical avocado is a very small industry with little economic and political influence,  as a result not much attention is paid to this crises.  In the Homestead, Florida avocado region the pathogen and vectors are everywhere. There are orchards that disappear from one year to the next. Unfortunately, we have been on the front lines of this disease.

This creates an opportunity for the rest of the avocado producing areas,  so far free of this disease to do  research in this area. There is a lot of research to be done and as time goes on we gain more experience. Here, there is access to adult trees in the field for testing and research. This is not the case for areas in which  the disease has not made its appearance.

I only mention some investigations that could be pending:

Some trees die in a week, however there are trees that look resistant to Laurel Wilt,  they have tested positive from root to canopy, proven on multiple occasions and methodologies, yet they are still alive and show no symptoms of the wilt.  I know of two, one in particular I call 9-7, is positive since January 2019 and continues alive and recovering. Personally I think this tree is talking to us, however there are no funds to see what it tells us.

Early detection in the process is vital to early removal of diseased trees,  before other trees acquire the disease.  It is essential to determine whether the tree is contaminated with little pathogen, to extract it before it contaminates adjacent trees.  There is no data on the time between when a tree is contaminated and when the first sign of "sadness" becomes visible.  Less than a week ago I detected a little sadness in a branch. When cutting it, it looked positive for wilt, I continued to check three  more trees on the same row and  all three  tested positive at various levels without  visible symptoms. Root contamination moves unnoticed for weeks or months.   This type of root contagion remains an observable presumption of farmers and  has not  been investigated.

Some producers believe that there are two or more strains of the fungus that causes the disease,  (Raffaelea Lauricola),  one  much more aggressive than others. A full DNA study is complicated and costly. As I understand it, it hasn't been done and there are no plans.

Other producers began doing thermal treatments on infected and stumped  trees. I tried on 8 of my trees. All are alive and doing well, the two oldest are 17 months old and continue to grow. On the other hand, the eight have tested positive for Laurel Wilt, post-treatment. There is no scientific data to understand what is going on and what opportunities this offers.

What attracts vectors and what can farmers do? Many growers are gaining experience of their own. I stopped injecting phosphorous acid to treat Phytophthora because I have noticed that these trees have a higher frequency of vector inoculation than others not injected. I suspect why, but we don't have a scientific foundation to know what's going on.

Can trees be vaccinated with some form of vaccine to increase resistance or defense against the pathogen?

And so on, I could mention a lot more.

Looking back we knew it was coming, but we didn't prepare enough, partly because it wasn't always easy to test in the field and there were a lot of restrictions on conducting test  in greenhouses and we just didn't believe it or wanted to invest funds in research. Some thought it would never come.

We all see these bark beetles moving around the world with little or no restriction. One day any area can wake up to the bad news.

I can tell you this: you can imagine this disease in your grove, more or less we know what it does, you can read articles, watch YouTube videos, after you finish your imagination exercise, I can tell you as a grower dealing with this every day, MULTIPLY IT BY 10 !

Please, support research in the area where  it can  best be done. Get ahead of it.

Carlos de la Torre

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Help to ID this Mexican Race avocado
« on: July 22, 2019, 02:59:47 PM »
I'm collecting and planting seeds of 100% or close,  Mexican Race avocados. I came across the one in the attached picture. I have not been able to ID it. The only thing I know is that someone brought some trees from Ca. years ago, possible it was used as a root-stock and this is one. They are about 8-9 oz. and 6-7 inches long. Cute little cado.
Any help will be appreciated
Carlos






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Daisy avocado maturity time in Florida?
« on: October 30, 2018, 09:12:41 PM »
I have a Daisy Avocado. I know some are growing it here in Florida can you tell me when you would normally pick the fruit?
Thanks

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Best ways to store Dragon Fruit Pollen
« on: May 26, 2018, 01:09:25 PM »
It is clear if I want some DF production from my experimental patch I home I have to learn how to store pollen as long as 30 days or so. As I have only one adult sugar dragon.
There are several ways of doing it. I hope we can start a tread just on pollen storage and methods we are using. There are some papers out there,  some vey complicated using nitrogen etc. We have no access to that.
I need a simple effective method to store pollen.
I started by building a storage vessel.  Using Styrofoam, and shellacked cardboard  I build a little rack.



I have some glass vials. About 5ml that I can use to store the pollen.


All that fits inside a mason jar, and I can put orange indication silica gel at the bottom.

As an option I can use my food saver to pull all the air out of the jar.


The plan would be to place the pollen vials open inside the mason jar with the silica for a couple of days in the refrigeration and then freeze. What is not clear in my mind is If I should pull the air out, during the refrigeration process and or the freeze portion.
Any comments?





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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Anyone has Doni Avocao trees?
« on: April 20, 2018, 06:33:12 PM »
Looking for Doni avocado trees

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