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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: luc on August 02, 2012, 07:58:25 PM
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Who else is growing this one ? Is one of my slowest growing Garcinias .
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Hi Luc,
I have it. Actually mine is not that slow growing. But if I recall correctly, it did grow rather slowly when it was younger. How old is yours?
Tomas
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6 years old ( seeds collected in Brazil in November 2006 ) between 50 and 60 cm tall now . The tree I got them from was only about 2 meters tall .
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Luc,
I grow them I find them to be sloooow, specially the first few years! One new leaf now and then! I also grow bacupari miudo (garcinia brasiliensis) and this one is not in a hurry, at all! Extra sloooooooooooooow in the juvenile stage! However, when they become adult, it is everbearing. My friend has a tree and every time I see it, it has flowers and ripe fruit hanging all year around, here in Fort Myers.
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Luc,
I grow them I find them to be sloooow, specially the first few years! One new leaf now and then! I also grow bacupari miudo (garcinia brasiliensis) and this one is not in a hurry, at all! Extra sloooooooooooooow in the juvenile stage! However, when they become adult, it is everbearing. My friend has a tree and every time I see it, it has flowers and ripe fruit hanging all year around, here in Fort Myers.
And some people are complaining about mangosteen !!!
Yes the G. brasiliensis is a wonderful small tree , I wait till the fruit turns orange to eat them , sweet lemony taste.
Today I wanted to take pictures of some other Garcinias to post to the forum ( cochichinensis etc... ) but it started to rain by the bucket..
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Luc,
When they turn orange, they are nice sweet and tart. I really enjoy them. I went to take a look at my g. gardnerianas and they are from April of 2010. They get plenty of water, food, and care. The biggest one is not even a foot tall! They should be called garcinias slownianas!
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Hi Luc,
Mine is about 1 meter tall with lots of branching, and about 4 years old. It's been in full sun for a few years now.
Tomas
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I've noticed, that some (young) plants do not grow a single inch, or grow very slow, if they don't get enough sun. Maybe this could be the case with this garcinia??
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I've noticed, that some (young) plants do not grow a single inch, or grow very slow, if they don't get enough sun. Maybe this could be the case with this garcinia??
You may have something there Felipe , mine has a lot of shade , I will have to prune some trees to give it more light .
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I would take extreme care in exposing Garcinias to sunlight. They get burned very easily, stunting them
even further.
Another explanation for slow initial growth is the limited root system. They seem to have few
lateral feeding roots while small. Maybe they need time to develop a root system.
In my case, achachairu and Luc's garcinias seem to respond to regular applications of chelated minor elements.
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Felipe and Luc,
I am not sure about the sun theory. My trees get plenty of sun. I would go for the root development theory. It seems like after 2 to 3 years they get out of their juvenile stage and start growing.
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Felipe and Luc,
I am not sure about the sun theory. My trees get plenty of sun. I would go for the root development theory. It seems like after 2 to 3 years they get out of their juvenile stage and start growing.
All my other Garcinias are basically in full sun even the mangosteens and are doing really well.
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Felipe and Luc,
I am not sure about the sun theory. My trees get plenty of sun. I would go for the root development theory. It seems like after 2 to 3 years they get out of their juvenile stage and start growing.
All my other Garcinias are basically in full sun even the mangosteens and are doing really well.
It's going to depend on your climate, amount of cloud cover, intensity of sun, amount of humidity. Here mangosteens grow a whole lot faster if they are in partial shade till they are 4-5 feet tall. Most old world garcinias like partial shade when small and are very slow growers due to very weak root systems with very little lateral root development. Some of new world rheedias, like achachairu and luc's mystery plant, are very different, and can go in full sun a lot faster and also grow a lot faster.
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Here, the equation below applies...
HOT (+35C) + DRY AIR + SUN = Burnt Garcinias...
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Here, the equation below applies...
HOT (+35C) + DRY AIR + SUN = Burnt Garcinias...
Mangosteen can take up to 100F (38C), so that's not the problem in the equation. It's the lack of humidity and perhaps also intensity of UV radiation that are the problems with burnt leaves. At very extreme northern latitudes you also have much longer days during summer.
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Hi siafu,
I actually sunburned lots of leaves because I rushed to get my G. gardneriana into the sun. I know better but sometimes I don't think.
Tomas
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plant i got labeled as G. gardneriana...I was worried it's a mislabeled G. intermedia...but the shape is a bit different...I'm still hopeful!
(http://s16.postimg.cc/vy1czmv41/IMG_1258.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vy1czmv41/)
(http://s16.postimg.cc/98286nbwh/IMG_1263.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/98286nbwh/)
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I have 4 lots of Garcinia gardneriana from 4 sources.Two lots have large leaves and two have smaller leaves.I saw pix of the fruit and both forms seem to be garneriana or very similar.My question is does anyone know if there actually is a large and small leafed form of this species?
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I have 4 lots of Garcinia gardneriana from 4 sources.Two lots have large leaves and two have smaller leaves.I saw pix of the fruit and both forms seem to be garneriana or very similar.My question is does anyone know if there actually is a large and small leafed form of this species?
it wouldnt surprise me if there are several species being called G gardneriana...but to make things more confusing, there could also be several varieties of G. gardneriana
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I was searching on the internet, how to speed up my Garcinias,especially Mangosteen, and one source recommended putting Arbuscular Mycorrhizae into the root zone. To me this makes sense and I have already started doing it when I left India. I will know the result when I return in May.
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My last post about the G. gardneriana was August 2012 , since then the tree has more than doubled in size , as of yesterday close to 1.20 meter . Another ' Brazilian Mystery Garcinia ' growing next to it is close to 5 meters and flowered last year , no fruit set . Crossing my fingers for this year .
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I have four trees from seeds from Whitman. They must be 8-9 years old by now. I have not had a single blossom yet. They grow in dappled shade. Root systems are smaller than one would expect from the size above ground. They are in pots and go into the greenhouse when temps fall.
Erica
Zone 9a
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ok now i'm convinced this tree is different than me G. intermedia.
the fruit had a different shape...and is larger
so my only guess now is gardneriana (as it was originally labeled)
(http://s28.postimg.cc/x5a423509/IMG_1473.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/x5a423509/)
(http://s28.postimg.cc/x06csexp5/IMG_1474.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/x06csexp5/)
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definitely not the same as G. intermedia, but very similar...this fruit is larger, and sweeter..with more pulp to eat.
maybe the best garcinia fruit I've tasted so far. (but my experience is limited to only a few species...G. aristata, G. livingstonei, G. xanthochymus, G. intermedia, G. mangostana [imported], and Mammea americana)
(http://s29.postimg.cc/4w21vvy1f/IMG_1834.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4w21vvy1f/)
(http://s9.postimg.cc/ija9u8dez/IMG_1835_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ija9u8dez/)
(http://s9.postimg.cc/ysvujdyp7/IMG_1836.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ysvujdyp7/)
(http://s9.postimg.cc/asywbclpn/IMG_1837.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/asywbclpn/)
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ok now i'm convinced this tree is different than me G. intermedia.
the fruit had a different shape...and is larger
so my only guess now is gardneriana (as it was originally labeled)
(http://s28.postimg.cc/x5a423509/IMG_1473.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/x5a423509/)
(http://s28.postimg.cc/x06csexp5/IMG_1474.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/x06csexp5/)
I'm not so sure about the larger......at least not larger than mine as best I can tell from the photo. But, definitely different shape than intermedia.
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ok now i'm convinced this tree is different than me G. intermedia.
the fruit had a different shape...and is larger
so my only guess now is gardneriana (as it was originally labeled)
(http://s28.postimg.cc/x5a423509/IMG_1473.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/x5a423509/)
(http://s28.postimg.cc/x06csexp5/IMG_1474.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/x06csexp5/)
I'm not so sure about the larger......at least not larger than mine as best I can tell from the photo. But, definitely different shape than intermedia.
yes the fruit is quite small, but I'm guessing that's because the tree is rootbound and in a container... and this is the first fruit it's produced.
I've fruited several G. intermedias in pots, and never have had them make fruits quite as large as this one.
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Adam,. can you post photo of flower and leaf?
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Adam,. can you post photo of flower and leaf?
not sure when I can get it done, but if you look in my previous posts, you can see a flower bud and some foliage..
it looks much like G. intermedia, but slightly different.
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Adam, here is a photo i took of gardneriana at the Rio de Janeiro botanical garden. You can compare it with your own plant. As you can see the leaves can get quite large, and as i remember the fruit is also much larger than G. intermedia.
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/RheediaGardnerianaBudsAndLeaf.jpg)
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Oscar
I believe there are two variations (at least) circulating around the globe....MikeT has commented on them
One has large leaves (like yours) and one has small leaves like mine.
I have both.
Maybe they are separate species? I would not be surprised....whatever I have seems precocious, and easy to fruit in a pot....so I'm happy!
Fruit is also excellent, with very good pulp to seed ratio (based on my very limited experience)
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I have 4 lots of Garcinia gardneriana from 4 sources.Two lots have large leaves and two have smaller leaves.I saw pix of the fruit and both forms seem to be garneriana or very similar.My question is does anyone know if there actually is a large and small leafed form of this species?
See what I mean
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I have 4 lots of Garcinia gardneriana from 4 sources.Two lots have large leaves and two have smaller leaves.I saw pix of the fruit and both forms seem to be garneriana or very similar.My question is does anyone know if there actually is a large and small leafed form of this species?
See what I mean
Could be different versions of gardneriana. Or it also could be misidentifications. How does fruit on your plants taste? Is it similar to taste of intermedia?
BTW there could also be different versions of intermedia. For example, I've seen photos of something called jocomico, that is supposed to be G. intermedia and has red fruits.
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Not quite the same as intermedia...although quite similar, this one is noticeably sweeter, with more pulp to eat.
I have 4 lots of Garcinia gardneriana from 4 sources.Two lots have large leaves and two have smaller leaves.I saw pix of the fruit and both forms seem to be garneriana or very similar.My question is does anyone know if there actually is a large and small leafed form of this species?
See what I mean
Could be different versions of gardneriana. Or it also could be misidentifications. How does fruit on your plants taste? Is it similar to taste of intermedia?
BTW there could also be different versions of intermedia. For example, I've seen photos of something called jocomico, that is supposed to be G. intermedia and has red fruits.
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fruiting and flowering more! I need to step this one up into a 25 gal, it's my new favorite fruit tree!!!
A must have for zone pushers trying to fruit Garcinias in pots, it's precocious (5-7yr from seed to fruit, at about 5 ft tall, in a 15 gal pot), self fruitful, and delicious!!!!
(http://s2.postimg.cc/6l3wnfaid/IMG_2770.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6l3wnfaid/)
(http://s2.postimg.cc/yjy2eac51/IMG_2771.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yjy2eac51/)
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and they have many medicinal properties
http://www.corposaun.com/planta-carie/4505/ (http://www.corposaun.com/planta-carie/4505/)
i have 4 trees, 60cm tall or so... they grow very slow
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and they have many medicinal properties
http://www.corposaun.com/planta-carie/4505/ (http://www.corposaun.com/planta-carie/4505/)
i have 4 trees, 60cm tall or so... they grow very slow
which variety do you have? large leaves, or small?
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they seem to be large, see:
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=10354.msg132715#msg132715 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=10354.msg132715#msg132715)
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they seem to be large, see:
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=10354.msg132715#msg132715 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=10354.msg132715#msg132715)
I looked at the pictures of the plants you got, and it's hard to say what species they are.
They look too long and slender to be gardneriana, or intermedia ...but I suppose anything is possible.
Maybe it's a unique variety or unknown species
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they seem to be large, see:
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=10354.msg132715#msg132715 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=10354.msg132715#msg132715)
I looked at the pictures of the plants you got, and it's hard to say what species they are.
They look too long and slender to be gardneriana, or intermedia ...but I suppose anything is possible.
Maybe it's a unique variety or unknown species
Ok, today I took some photos. One and a half year later, they are almost the same size :-S
but healty... and no problems at all, just slow growers...
(http://s3.postimg.cc/v1pm61chb/pacuri_garcinia_unknown_20150916_T113620.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/v1pm61chb/)
(http://s3.postimg.cc/57ftg9chb/pacuri_garcinia_unknown_20150916_T113630.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/57ftg9chb/)
(http://s3.postimg.cc/yp5dc3kof/pacuri_garcinia_unknown_20150916_T113642.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yp5dc3kof/)
(http://s3.postimg.cc/b9ng6r0xb/pacuri_garcinia_unknown_20150916_T113700.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/b9ng6r0xb/)
they should fruit in the next two years, dont you think? I dont know if plant them in the backyard or keep them in pots...
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yes hard to say what you have...looks most like intermedia (maybe a variety with slender leaves?)
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You will like this!
https://frutales.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/o20-el-cultivo-de-achacairu.pdf (https://frutales.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/o20-el-cultivo-de-achacairu.pdf)
they are calling "achachairú something" to many garcinia species...
(http://s12.postimg.cc/95pip9221/diferentes_achachairus.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/95pip9221/)
so, g. brasilensis would be "mid size achachairú"
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is gardneriana monoecious?
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is gardneriana monoecious?
probably capable of making male and androgynous flowers on the same plant, but they are not dioecious.
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main thing I just need one to get fruit!
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main thing I just need one to get fruit!
in my experience, this variety is much like a similar species, G. intermedia, it basically has all androgynous flowers, and almost every flower sets a fruit.
you only need one tree for G. gardneriana to fruit, but in certain situations having two trees can be advantageous...usually because one will be slightly better than the other, or cross pollination can lead to larger fruits.
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You will like this!
https://frutales.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/o20-el-cultivo-de-achacairu.pdf (https://frutales.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/o20-el-cultivo-de-achacairu.pdf)
they are calling "achachairú something" to many garcinia species...
(http://s12.postimg.cc/95pip9221/diferentes_achachairus.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/95pip9221/)
so, g. brasilensis would be "mid size achachairú"
In Bolivia where a lot of these species are native, they use the name achachairu for almost all their rheedia (now called Garcinia) species. Similarly almost all rheedia species in Peru are called charichuela. Unfortunately these kinds of general common names lead to a lot of confusion. Just like in South Anerica almost all Annona species are simply called anona.
The achachairu we usually are referring to on the forum is the one that is being called in this manual "achachairu selecto".
BTW, this selecto species is not really Garcinia humilis or Garcinia leteriflora. That is incorrect. This species has not been yet named by science. The G. humilis is a species native to Carribbean, not to Bolivia.
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since i've stepped my tree up into a 50 gal pot, it's started to bloom heavily...i was in the green house analyzing the flowers to see if any were male, they were all androgynous...
and check this out...
they all had a drip of nectar at the tip...i was like a gecko licking the flowers, it taste like garcinia honey (or what I'd imagine it taste like)
hope my saliva doesn't cause the flowers to rot, and the fruits to drop...lol
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some fruit set...about 30% of the flowers held fruit....
(http://s16.postimg.cc/nin0cnhjl/IMG_3639.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/nin0cnhjl/)
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some fruit set...about 30% of the flowers held fruit....
(http://s16.postimg.cc/nin0cnhjl/IMG_3639.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/nin0cnhjl/)
Great! Hope you are giving us a taste report soon. 8)
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Thanks Oscar...
I have already eaten about a dozen of the fruits!
They are excellent!! Much like the lemon drop, but larger, with better flesh to seed ratio, and less acidity.
some fruit set...about 30% of the flowers held fruit....
(http://s16.postimg.cc/nin0cnhjl/IMG_3639.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/nin0cnhjl/)
Great! Hope you are giving us a taste report soon. 8)
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Thanks Oscar...
I have already eaten about a dozen of the fruits!
They are excellent!! Much like the lemon drop, but larger, with better flesh to seed ratio, and less acidity.
some fruit set...about 30% of the flowers held fruit....
(http://s16.postimg.cc/nin0cnhjl/IMG_3639.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/nin0cnhjl/)
Great! Hope you are giving us a taste report soon. 8)
OK thanks Adam. That's good to know.
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patiently waiting for these to ripen up! Have about 15-20 fruits that set on the tree.
about the size of a nickel or quarter now...still have a while to go, probably 30-40 days, depending on weather.
I'm going to eat most of them, and plant the seeds, but I'm probably going to mail a couple to the internet's most famous fruit taster (Jared, Weird Fruit Explorer).
I know he's tasted more fruits than me, but I don't think he's had that one yet!
I believe achachairu was one of his favorite fruits, so it will be interesting to see how he rates this one...some people prefer gardneriana to the achach.
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How long did your plant take to fruit.
By the way the one you gave me is growing great.
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How long did your plant take to fruit.
By the way the one you gave me is growing great.
I think it took about 6yr
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Adam can I buy seeds from you?
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Adam can I buy seeds from you?
:(
Eventually I think so...but for now I'm planting them all!
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beaugart! :o
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the first decent crop awaits consumption!
one thing i'm starting to realize about this fruit...it's very easy to accidentally pick it too early...they turn yellow, but aren't ready yet...at this phase they are quite tart, but still very pleasant. You must wait for them to turn orange, and the flavor sweetens up considerably. I guess it's similar to a loquat, in terms of color phases, and ripening.
(http://s11.postimg.cc/s6lllex3j/IMG_0100.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/s6lllex3j/)
(http://s11.postimg.cc/n0agadibz/IMG_0101_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/n0agadibz/)
(http://s11.postimg.cc/68p4rmi33/IMG_0102.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/68p4rmi33/)
(http://s11.postimg.cc/kx012pij3/IMG_0103_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/kx012pij3/)
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Nice crop, looks like a tasty fruit. Can you add me to the seed or seedling waiting list ;D.
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showing Garcinia gardneriana vs. G. intermedia
(intermedia was grown in ground, gardneriana was grown in a pot)
(https://s31.postimg.cc/okg7gryxj/IMG_0612.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/okg7gryxj/)
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the one seedling I got from you adam is still alive, but it just sits there. can't complain. at least he/she/it is not dead. :o
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the one seedling I got from you adam is still alive, but it just sits there. can't complain. at least he/she/it is not dead. :o
This seems to be a Garcinia standard ha ha!
Just when you start wondering if the thing is ever going to do anything ever it puts out a new set of leaves. Seems to slowly get abit faster I think. I cant wait till they are large enough to get some stronger sun. gardeneriana has done nothing for me since initial growth months ago. Is two birth leaves are all that it has :(
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the one seedling I got from you adam is still alive, but it just sits there. can't complain. at least he/she/it is not dead. :o
This seems to be a Garcinia standard ha ha!
Just when you start wondering if the thing is ever going to do anything ever it puts out a new set of leaves. Seems to slowly get abit faster I think. I cant wait till they are large enough to get some stronger sun. gardeneriana has done nothing for me since initial growth months ago. Is two birth leaves are all that it has :(
I think you're wrong. I wonder...nothing happens. I have to look away and move on at least 2-3 times before it even thinks to do something for me. what a tease. :P
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How do you compare the sweetness of garcinia gardneriana to purple mangosteen and achacha?
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Finally a fruit on another Garcinia. It has a very pronounced nipple that broke off, it looks like it will be much larger fruit than G. intermedia.
(https://i.postimg.cc/K1fZxDc4/31-C5-AB73-34-C6-4875-AA75-92-A1-B9-BD6-A03.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K1fZxDc4)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NyNf77ZZ/A3307907-6-B9-E-4-A0-C-A869-FBBB1102-BFF9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NyNf77ZZ)
http://www.bananasraras.org/frutasrarasingles/garcinia.htm (http://www.bananasraras.org/frutasrarasingles/garcinia.htm)
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showing Garcinia gardneriana vs. G. intermedia
(intermedia was grown in ground, gardneriana was grown in a pot)
(https://s31.postimg.cc/okg7gryxj/IMG_0612.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/okg7gryxj/)
Adam is this G. intermedia and G. brasiliensis? Is G. gardneriana syn. for G. brasiliensis? Even though I’ve been growing these for at least 8 long years I am still learning.
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I received brasiliensis, gardneriana and intermedia from a grower in Rio about 7 years ago. A garcinia enthusiast friend planted a few of each and they are all fruiting now. The trees were very similar with gardneriana perhaps a little more compact. The brasilensis had the smallest fruit and they were. They were a little bigger still than the standard brasiliensis people already had around here. The intermedia had fruit a little larger and had a thicker skin but similar bunching habit with fruit. The gardneriana had fruit a little larger again with many fruit nippled but some were spherical. Gardneriana had a better yield than the other two and intermedia was maybe a little more acid.
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I received brasiliensis, gardneriana and intermedia from a grower in Rio about 7 years ago. A garcinia enthusiast friend planted a few of each and they are all fruiting now. The trees were very similar with gardneriana perhaps a little more compact. The brasilensis had the smallest fruit and they were. They were a little bigger still than the standard brasiliensis people already had around here. The intermedia had fruit a little larger and had a thicker skin but similar bunching habit with fruit. The gardneriana had fruit a little larger again with many fruit nippled but some were spherical. Gardneriana had a better yield than the other two and intermedia was maybe a little more acid.
Thank you Mike. I guess I got my G gardneriana, intermedia and some others about 6 or 7 years ago as tiny plants. Some were in pots some were dug up and moved here when I started FVF almost 5 years ago. I had been assuming I was going to wind up with all G. intermedia even though they were labeled different. The G. gardneriana has a little darker new growth than intermedia on our plants. We still have a Garcinia tree I don’t know what it is but it should be fruiting soon.