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Title: Foliar Feeding
Post by: jb_fla on February 04, 2012, 01:15:28 AM
Foliar feeding was brought up on the Organic Gardening post.  I was curious the various products people have had used with good results.  I have always used the Southern Ag Citrus Spray for foliar feeding.

What products, organic or not, are you using?
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 04, 2012, 01:19:23 AM
Turf Pro Usa!!!
Organic and amazing product!

I use it all the time, with very little actual fertilizer put down on roots!

GOOD LUCK!

I hear the owner of the company turf pro, drinks the product to prove its safe... :P :) ;D
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: NewGen on February 04, 2012, 01:44:26 AM
I like Spray N Grow products.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: fruitlovers on February 04, 2012, 01:47:59 AM
Been using Maxicrop seaweed foliar for 3 decades. Can't really say that it's the best product out there, but old habits die hard.  ::) If i want to add extra nitrogen i mix some fish emulsion to the mix.
Oscar
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: zands on February 04, 2012, 02:20:23 AM
Foliar feeding was brought up on the Organic Gardening post.  I was curious the various products people have had used with good results.  I have always used the Southern Ag Citrus Spray for foliar feeding.

What products, organic or not, are you using?
My big question is why not buy iron sulfate and magnesium sulfate  (Epsom salts). Both are cheap. Make foliars with them with a little soap to adhere better to leaves and such.  Are iron and magnesium chelates better for foliar feeding than the simple sulfates? I know  that Souther Ag foliar (which I have) has a few other chelated and non-chelated elements .... zinc and manganese.

Southern Ag citrus foliar seems to be chelated elements and plain old unchelated sulfates


http://www.southernag.com/docs/labels_msds/chcitr.pdf (http://www.southernag.com/docs/labels_msds/chcitr.pdf)
GUARANTEED ANALYSIS:                  BY WT.
Total Magnesium as Mg 1.00%
Water Soluble Magnesium as Mg 1.00%
Chelated Magnesium as Mg 0.70%
Soluble Iron as Fe 1.20%
Chelated Iron as Fe 0.70%
Soluble Manganese as Mn 1.20%
Chelated Manganese as Mn 1.00%
Soluble Zinc as Zn 1.70%
Chelated as as Zn 1.50%
Combined Sultur as S 4.10%
Derived from: Magnesium Sulfate, Magnesium Lignin Sulfate Chelate, Manganese Sulfate, Manganese Lignin Sulfate
Chelate, Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Lignin Sulfate Chelate, Ferrous Sulfate, Ferrous Lignin Sulfate Chelate. Chelating agent is Lignin
Sulfate.
Guaranteed by:  Southern Agricultural Insecticides, Inc.   P.O. Box 218     Palmetto, Fl 34220
USE PRECAUTIONS
THIS PRODUCT WILL SEVERELY STAIN CONCRETE, MASONRY AND PAINTED SURFACES.  B
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: nullzero on February 04, 2012, 02:55:22 AM
Was thinking of getting the concentrated kelp powder and making my own foliar spray, some fish emulsion. Was going to add some chelated iron and Epsom salt as well. Turf pro looks good but is costly, if I can make my own organic mix and save money all the better.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Patrick on February 04, 2012, 08:39:33 AM
I use a 3/4 strength mix of SoAg's Citrus Nutritional, PhytoFos, Millers 20-20-20 (with minors), Elemental Cu, Sequestrine 138Fe, and Class Act spreader/sticker.

I apply 15 gallons of it broadcast with a backpack sprayer over everything on the 15th of every month, when I get to each tree the branches stretch toward me like arms from a bad sci-fi movie...

I guess they like it!

I have noticed while using this mix over the past year and a half, I have almost completely eliminated the need for pest control...




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Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: mangomandan on February 04, 2012, 09:41:24 AM
PJ,  can you buy these items locally, or do you order them somewhere?

(I can attest to the efficacy of PJ's techniques, unless he was joshing me about how long some of his trees have been in the ground.)
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Sleepdoc on February 04, 2012, 10:31:33 AM
I use a 3/4 strength mix of SoAg's Citrus Nutritional, PhytoFos, Millers 20-20-20 (with minors), Elemental Cu, Sequestrine 138Fe, and Class Act spreader/sticker.





How much Sequestrene 138 do you add to every 5 gal of your foliar mix??  I do Sequestrene 138 soil drenches occasionally, but I think adding it to my foliar spray may be much more cost effective...

Elemental Cu for Athracnose I assume.  I also add it to my SoAg Citrus.  Do you use the full recommended Athracnose control dose in your mix?  I usually cut it in 1/4 to 1/2.  Not sure if that is the best way to do it..

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Patrick on February 04, 2012, 12:55:06 PM
1/2 Tbs of Sequestrine per gallon is what I am using. I get the Sequestrine from Winfield Solutions in Boynton Beach Florida, I also get the Class Act Spread/Stick from there.

I buy my SO AG on ebay in 1 Gallon, using 1Tbs per Gallon

I buy the PhytoFos online from a distrubutor in Palm Beach... I cant locate the info.. I use the one that is all Potassium, no Phosphorus. 1Tbs Gallon

The copper I use in a very dilute manner, maybe a teaspoon or less per gallon. (granular)

I am very careful not to use Horticulural Oil for at least two weeks on my citrus, and I havent seen any ill effects from that concentration as of yet!

Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 04, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
Is anyone concerned with using organic products? with live biology?

Most of the products I've read people posting here on this thread seem to be inorganic?

Am I mistaken in my assumptions?


In other words does any one on this thread posting so far, us a micro nutritional regiment that consists of only organic supplements and ingredients? Also with living organisms?

Thanks
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 04, 2012, 01:40:42 PM
Was thinking of getting the concentrated kelp powder and making my own foliar spray, some fish emulsion. Was going to add some chelated iron and Epsom salt as well. Turf pro looks good but is costly, if I can make my own organic mix and save money all the better.

It goes a very long way, and has free shipping if you don't have a dealer near you!!!

Turf pro last forever!!! Price wise, it's really affordable if you read the application rates, and directions for proper application.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: MangoFang on February 04, 2012, 02:21:31 PM
Thanks, ASaffron!  Does anyone use worm casting tea, or kelp powder tea for foliar spraying?
I see Fruitlovers uses a seaweed mix - also there's the fish emulsion than could be concocted
into a spray....or perhaps all of the above into one??????

And how much liquid detergent/soap per gallon to make the spray more stickable...?


MF
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: fruitlovers on February 04, 2012, 04:34:39 PM
Thanks, ASaffron!  Does anyone use worm casting tea, or kelp powder tea for foliar spraying?
I see Fruitlovers uses a seaweed mix - also there's the fish emulsion than could be concocted
into a spray....or perhaps all of the above into one??????

And how much liquid detergent/soap per gallon to make the spray more stickable...?


MF

I use very little liquid soap as a sticker, around 1/2 a teaspoon in my 4 gallon sprayer. I don't use compost tea but know other folks that do and have very good results. I have used humic acid also as a foliar spray.
Oscar
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: JF on February 04, 2012, 09:33:10 PM
Turf Pro Usa!!!
Organic and amazing product!

I use it all the time, with very little actual fertilizer put down on roots!

GOOD LUCK!

I hear the owner of the company turf pro, drinks the product to prove its safe... :P :) ;D

Adam

I talked to a company rep last week and I ordered a gallon of Turf and Garden Pro and of MegaGreen. What can you tell me about MegaGreen? How often do you apply these products?

JF
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 05, 2012, 01:54:20 AM


I talked to a company rep last week and I ordered a gallon of Turf and Garden Pro and of MegaGreen. What can you tell me about MegaGreen? How often do you apply these products?

JF

I will find out asap! The megagreen is new, and i'm getting some to! soon!

Turf pro  is applied with a pump sprayer, and added to water (i think like 2 tablespoons per gallon more or less)  I always over do it, but it doesn't hurt plants, I've found...just stains leaves dark, and can stain concrete...plants always look greener, and stains on foliage go away over time.

I apply them as often as every 2weeks, depending on how much fertilizer I've put on the soil, or how rainy it is, or what season it is...but only really every 4weeks...I also always use the Fe Iron Formula, as a drench only, to correct iron deficiencies!  Its the only organic Chelated Fe Drench I know of on the market!!! You should consider this formula if you didn't order it!!!

Mention my name, and maybe you can get some kind of discount, or extra product?

The owners are local near me, and very nice people!!! They always have a bottle ($40 size) donated to our Central FL Tropical Fruit Club raffle!!! I always go crazy and buy like 10 tickets when I see it one the raffle table!!! I've won it like 2 or 3 times!!! LOL...It was meant to be i suppose.  I have so much of this stuff at my house, I won't run out for about 1.5yrs!!

I have like 3 gallons....

GOOD LUCK! PLEASE LET ME KNOW HOW IT WORKS FOR YOU, if you don't like it, I may want to buy the bottle from you!

Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Saltcayman on February 05, 2012, 12:19:51 PM
The turf pro sounds like a great suggestion. Thanks. Does anyone think their is a downside to using a hose end sprayer? 
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: zands on February 05, 2012, 02:15:37 PM
The turf pro sounds like a great suggestion. Thanks. Does anyone think their is a downside to using a hose end sprayer?

Too much water ....you need one of these. I would go with a window cleaner spray bottle until I got one....which actually works great but you cannot reach higher leaves with one. But maybe you can get enough of the good stuff on lower leaves to keep the tree happy
(http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/public/tDkbh93yA5DYnfXYgsyhC-NgyanIthTsmEPQdwS_VW_JHhFCJnYvX2sBUh4FVpsHmlz0wAeTrMwctdVVrR7yazFKLU0GAmWUIY9hFxM6AQrfmRDVkAj7DMfzU8W598O1GqwGo2LpDcQVkvkWlCOuZx4WNnqYa9J5wqMTxl6hCdnTXIo)
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: JF on February 05, 2012, 02:58:44 PM


I talked to a company rep last week and I ordered a gallon of Turf and Garden Pro and of MegaGreen. What can you tell me about MegaGreen? How often do you apply these products?

JF

I will find out asap! The megagreen is new, and i'm getting some to! soon!

Turf pro  is applied with a pump sprayer, and added to water (i think like 2 tablespoons per gallon more or less)  I always over do it, but it doesn't hurt plants, I've found...just stains leaves dark, and can stain concrete...plants always look greener, and stains on foliage go away over time.

I apply them as often as every 2weeks, depending on how much fertilizer I've put on the soil, or how rainy it is, or what season it is...but only really every 4weeks...I also always use the Fe Iron Formula, as a drench only, to correct iron deficiencies!  Its the only organic Chelated Fe Drench I know of on the market!!! You should consider this formula if you didn't order it!!!

Mention my name, and maybe you can get some kind of discount, or extra product?

The owners are local near me, and very nice people!!! They always have a bottle ($40 size) donated to our Central FL Tropical Fruit Club raffle!!! I always go crazy and buy like 10 tickets when I see it one the raffle table!!! I've won it like 2 or 3 times!!! LOL...It was meant to be i suppose.  I have so much of this stuff at my house, I won't run out for about 1.5yrs!!

I have like 3 gallons....

GOOD LUCK! PLEASE LET ME KNOW HOW IT WORKS FOR YOU, if you don't like it, I may want to buy the bottle from you!

Every 4 week is what they told but since you have had so much sucess with it I would think you are the expert. I have a 2 or 3 gallon pump sprayer so I would put 4 to 6 tablespoon, right? Spray all my trees with it; the ones on the ground and in containers?
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Saltcayman on February 05, 2012, 11:26:46 PM
The turf pro sounds like a great suggestion. Thanks. Does anyone think their is a downside to using a hose end sprayer?

Too much water ....you need one of these. I would go with a window cleaner spray bottle until I got one....which actually works great but you cannot reach higher leaves with one. But maybe you can get enough of the good stuff on lower leaves to keep the tree happy
(http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/public/tDkbh93yA5DYnfXYgsyhC-NgyanIthTsmEPQdwS_VW_JHhFCJnYvX2sBUh4FVpsHmlz0wAeTrMwctdVVrR7yazFKLU0GAmWUIY9hFxM6AQrfmRDVkAj7DMfzU8W598O1GqwGo2LpDcQVkvkWlCOuZx4WNnqYa9J5wqMTxl6hCdnTXIo)

Thanks sands. I will look for one. Dave
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: mangomandan on February 06, 2012, 12:01:08 PM
Turf Pro Usa!!!
Organic and amazing product!



The Turf Pro website has some useful information.   Regarding foliar feeding, I didn't realize that time of day made a difference:

" Generally, many more stomata are on the bottom of a leaf than on the top. Normally stomata open when light strikes the leaf in the morning and close during the night. They will close during the day when the amount of water coming up from the roots is insufficient to cover the water being lost through the stomata. Because these openings do close up as the temperature increases you need to spray in the early morning or late evening when temperatures are lower and plants are most active."
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Fruitguy on February 06, 2012, 12:13:40 PM
Does anyone have recommendations on a liquid soap sticker/spreader?  Any to avoid?
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: nullzero on February 06, 2012, 12:24:15 PM
Does anyone have recommendations on a liquid soap sticker/spreader?  Any to avoid?

I would try a organic glycerin soap. Something like this should work well http://www.vitaminherbstore.com/glycerinhandsoappeppermint12oz.aspx (http://www.vitaminherbstore.com/glycerinhandsoappeppermint12oz.aspx)
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: fruitlovers on February 06, 2012, 03:44:43 PM
Does anyone have recommendations on a liquid soap sticker/spreader?  Any to avoid?

I would try a organic glycerin soap. Something like this should work well http://www.vitaminherbstore.com/glycerinhandsoappeppermint12oz.aspx (http://www.vitaminherbstore.com/glycerinhandsoappeppermint12oz.aspx)

Dr. Bronner's liquid soap. Most health foods sell it. If you are trying to repel insects you can use the Eucalyptus Dr. Bronners. All the liquid dishwashing soaps will work, but those usually have artificial fragrances, colors, etc.
Oscar
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 06, 2012, 03:49:20 PM
Does anyone have recommendations on a liquid soap sticker/spreader?  Any to avoid?

I would try a organic glycerin soap. Something like this should work well http://www.vitaminherbstore.com/glycerinhandsoappeppermint12oz.aspx (http://www.vitaminherbstore.com/glycerinhandsoappeppermint12oz.aspx)

Dr. Bronner's liquid soap. Most health foods sell it. If you are trying to repel insects you can use the Eucalyptus Dr. Bronners. All the liquid dishwashing soaps will work, but those usually have artificial fragrances, colors, etc.
Oscar

Emmanuel Bronner???

Escaped from insane asylum and made soap!! Self proclaimed doctor as well...no real degree!!! He was wild!!! completely blind as well in his later years, and almost totally blind even before throughout his earlier life.

All one! All one! or none!  hahaha!

He is a real character, there is a documentary about him I just saw...stream it on youtube or netflix...but bronners soap does it all i'm sure!

thanks for the info Oscar.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 06, 2012, 04:43:07 PM
Turf Pro Usa!!!
Organic and amazing product!

I use it all the time, with very little actual fertilizer put down on roots!

GOOD LUCK!

I hear the owner of the company turf pro, drinks the product to prove its safe... :P :) ;D

Adam

I talked to a company rep last week and I ordered a gallon of Turf and Garden Pro and of MegaGreen. What can you tell me about MegaGreen? How often do you apply these products?

JF


Megagreen is a fish hydrolysate. What most people do not know is that fish emulsion and a fish hydrolysate vary drastically, in their benefits to plants.

Emulsions have been put through processes that require high temperatures. These temperature kill many of the benefits of fish fertilizers.

Hydrolysates are fish parts that have been ground very fine is a manner that they still have amino acids a and other helpful ingredients the emulsions lack.

The big point is, that the our product and the Megagreen work well together but do not mix them together and let them set for more than a day. The biology in our product starts to reproduce at a fantastic rate when it gets a food source like Megagreen and things start to expand and the smell is not nice. It does very dramatically demonstrate how well the products work together.


above text was modified and quoted from an representative from Turfpro.


Keep in mind, I am not a salesperson for this product, I just use it and believe it in...

If you order some, don't forget to mention my name (ADAM), and the fact that you are using it because you want it improve fruit trees!

You may get a discount...I'm seeing if they can give one...

Hope it works for you as well as it works for me...
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: fruitlovers on February 06, 2012, 05:04:58 PM
Does anyone have recommendations on a liquid soap sticker/spreader?  Any to avoid?

I would try a organic glycerin soap. Something like this should work well http://www.vitaminherbstore.com/glycerinhandsoappeppermint12oz.aspx (http://www.vitaminherbstore.com/glycerinhandsoappeppermint12oz.aspx)

Dr. Bronner's liquid soap. Most health foods sell it. If you are trying to repel insects you can use the Eucalyptus Dr. Bronners. All the liquid dishwashing soaps will work, but those usually have artificial fragrances, colors, etc.
Oscar

Emmanuel Bronner???

Escaped from insane asylum and made soap!! Self proclaimed doctor as well...no real degree!!! He was wild!!! completely blind as well in his later years, and almost totally blind even before throughout his earlier life.

All one! All one! or none!  hahaha!

He is a real character, there is a documentary about him I just saw...stream it on youtube or netflix...but bronners soap does it all i'm sure!

thanks for the info Oscar.

I recommend his soap, not his philosophy.  ::)
Oscar
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: JF on February 06, 2012, 10:39:37 PM
Turf Pro Usa!!!
Organic and amazing product!

I use it all the time, with very little actual fertilizer put down on roots!

GOOD LUCK!

I hear the owner of the company turf pro, drinks the product to prove its safe... :P :) ;D

Adam

I talked to a company rep last week and I ordered a gallon of Turf and Garden Pro and of MegaGreen. What can you tell me about MegaGreen? How often do you apply these products?

JF


Megagreen is a fish hydrolysate. What most people do not know is that fish emulsion and a fish hydrolysate vary drastically, in their benefits to plants.

Emulsions have been put through processes that require high temperatures. These temperature kill many of the benefits of fish fertilizers.

Hydrolysates are fish parts that have been ground very fine is a manner that they still have amino acids a and other helpful ingredients the emulsions lack.

The big point is, that the our product and the Megagreen work well together but do not mix them together and let them set for more than a day. The biology in our product starts to reproduce at a fantastic rate when it gets a food source like Megagreen and things start to expand and the smell is not nice. It does very dramatically demonstrate how well the products work together.


above text was modified and quoted from an representative from Turfpro.


Keep in mind, I am not a salesperson for this product, I just use it and believe it in...

If you order some, don't forget to mention my name (ADAM), and the fact that you are using it because you want it improve fruit trees!

You may get a discount...I'm seeing if they can give one...

Hope it works for you as well as it works for me...

Adam

I just got my delivery conformation and I notice that I mabe a mistake and bought two Turf and Garden Pro. I'm going to order the Megagreen now, I thought I bought the combo!!

JF 
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 06, 2012, 11:10:10 PM
JF,

Let me know, and maybe they can fix the order???

I think you will be fine without megagreen, but maybe its a wonder product as well..I got a bottle today, and am going to start using it soon...

Mention me don't forget!

Remember if you don't like it, I might be interested in what product you have left....i buy it from you if you bought extra, or wrong product...
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: nullzero on February 07, 2012, 02:50:28 PM
Ordered up the ingredients for the custom foliar spray, plan is to do mostly foliar spray once a week with a soil drench once every 2 weeks.

Here is what I got so far;

1LB, 50/50 mix of Kelp Powder concentrate & Humic Acid 1-.23-6 (makes about 20 gals of foliar spray)

1 GAL, Fish Emulsion 5-1-1 (1-2 oz per gal, around 100 gals of foliar spray usage) Planning on switching to fish hydrolysate, when this runs out.

I was thinking of trying; GA3, IAA, BAP, and Fulvic acid, mixing in small amounts (amounts vary depending on instructions) to the foliar spray. Maybe a one time use, but have not read enough yet to use.

Soil drench will be about 1-2 oz of rock phosphate for per gal of water. Mixed with beneficial microbes (using MycoGrow Soluble) and compost tea.

Will see how the plants like it, I am looking forward to some results.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: fruitlovers on February 07, 2012, 05:26:29 PM
Ordered up the ingredients for the custom foliar spray, plan is to do mostly foliar spray once a week with a soil drench once every 2 weeks.

Here is what I got so far;

1LB, 50/50 mix of Kelp Powder concentrate & Humic Acid 1-.23-6 (makes about 20 gals of foliar spray)

1 GAL, Fish Emulsion 5-1-1 (1-2 oz per gal, around 100 gals of foliar spray usage) Planning on switching to fish hydrolysate, when this runs out.

I was thinking of trying; GA3, IAA, BAP, and Fulvic acid, mixing in small amounts (amounts vary depending on instructions) to the foliar spray. Maybe a one time use, but have not read enough yet to use.

Soil drench will be about 1-2 oz of rock phosphate for per gal of water. Mixed with beneficial microbes (using MycoGrow Soluble) and compost tea.

Will see how the plants like it, I am looking forward to some results.

You might want to reconsider about using gibberelic acid (GA3) as a regular foliar spray. This is usually used to enlarge fruits, especially grapes, and can also have a negative effect if used on wrong plants or in wrong quantities, and since we're dealing with parts per million it's very easy to goof up.
Oscar
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: nullzero on February 07, 2012, 05:34:14 PM
Ordered up the ingredients for the custom foliar spray, plan is to do mostly foliar spray once a week with a soil drench once every 2 weeks.

Here is what I got so far;

1LB, 50/50 mix of Kelp Powder concentrate & Humic Acid 1-.23-6 (makes about 20 gals of foliar spray)

1 GAL, Fish Emulsion 5-1-1 (1-2 oz per gal, around 100 gals of foliar spray usage) Planning on switching to fish hydrolysate, when this runs out.

I was thinking of trying; GA3, IAA, BAP, and Fulvic acid, mixing in small amounts (amounts vary depending on instructions) to the foliar spray. Maybe a one time use, but have not read enough yet to use.

Soil drench will be about 1-2 oz of rock phosphate for per gal of water. Mixed with beneficial microbes (using MycoGrow Soluble) and compost tea.

Will see how the plants like it, I am looking forward to some results.

You might want to reconsider about using gibberelic acid (GA3) as a regular foliar spray. This is usually used to enlarge fruits, especially grapes, and can also have a negative effect if used on wrong plants or in wrong quantities, and since we're dealing with parts per million it's very easy to goof up.
Oscar

Yeah I was going to reconsider it, been reading more on it. If I was going to use it (would be a once a year thing in diluted amounts). I would need to get a new PPM meter and an accurate micro measurement spoon. Might be more hassle then its worth.

Another thing, is the wide variety of plants I have. Some may take to it well (like the grapes, while others may not). I have everything from Taro to Gooseberries growing.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: fruitlovers on February 07, 2012, 05:51:14 PM
Ordered up the ingredients for the custom foliar spray, plan is to do mostly foliar spray once a week with a soil drench once every 2 weeks.

Here is what I got so far;

1LB, 50/50 mix of Kelp Powder concentrate & Humic Acid 1-.23-6 (makes about 20 gals of foliar spray)

1 GAL, Fish Emulsion 5-1-1 (1-2 oz per gal, around 100 gals of foliar spray usage) Planning on switching to fish hydrolysate, when this runs out.

I was thinking of trying; GA3, IAA, BAP, and Fulvic acid, mixing in small amounts (amounts vary depending on instructions) to the foliar spray. Maybe a one time use, but have not read enough yet to use.

Soil drench will be about 1-2 oz of rock phosphate for per gal of water. Mixed with beneficial microbes (using MycoGrow Soluble) and compost tea.

Will see how the plants like it, I am looking forward to some results.

You might want to reconsider about using gibberelic acid (GA3) as a regular foliar spray. This is usually used to enlarge fruits, especially grapes, and can also have a negative effect if used on wrong plants or in wrong quantities, and since we're dealing with parts per million it's very easy to goof up.
Oscar

Yeah I was going to reconsider it, been reading more on it. If I was going to use it (would be a once a year thing in diluted amounts). I would need to get a new PPM meter and an accurate micro measurement spoon. Might be more hassle then its worth.

Another thing, is the wide variety of plants I have. Some may take to it well (like the grapes, while others may not). I have everything from Taro to Gooseberries growing.

GA3 is definitely not to be used as an all purpose spray.
Oscar
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: nullzero on February 07, 2012, 06:00:45 PM
May just try it for germination of hard to sprout seeds, foliar application sounds to complex and has to do a lot with timing of the flowering, vegetative growth, and a number of other things. Seems like foliar use is mainly with commercial grapes.

GA3 sounded very interesting (due to the claims out there about incredible growth rates etc.). But in practicality it may be better off not trying it at all besides germination.

Thanks for the input Oscar, do you use it for germination at all? (looks like you do from reading the other thread on GA3 germination)
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: fruitlovers on February 07, 2012, 06:07:32 PM
May just try it for germination of hard to sprout seeds, foliar application sounds to complex and has to do a lot with timing of the flowering, vegetative growth, and a number of other things. Seems like foliar use is mainly with commercial grapes.

GA3 sounded very interesting (due to the claims out there about incredible growth rates etc.). But in practicality it may be better off not trying it at all besides germination.

Thanks for the input Oscar, do you use it for germination at all? (looks like you do from reading the other thread on GA3 germination)

Ilama is the only super stubborn seed where i found it necessary to use gibberelic acid. Even with the ilama if you use too high a concentration of GA3, let's say 2000 PPM, instead of 900 PPm, you could actually reduce your chances of germination. Same with foliar spraying, if you don't know exactly why you are using it, and the correct concentration, you are much more likely to do harm than good.
Oscar
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: murahilin on February 07, 2012, 06:27:11 PM
I planted a 3g Lemon Zest last year and decided I did not want it to bloom but instead put out vegetative growth. Online research showed that GA3 could possibly stop the tree from pushing new growth. I mixed up some GA3 without measuring and sprayed the tree twice. I subsequently lost all the leaves and the tree died within a few months. I am not sure if the GA3 was the cause but it seems to be. I don't want to risk killing more mango trees for an experiment. So heed Oscar's advice and don't go spraying GA3 with reckless abandon...
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: nullzero on February 07, 2012, 07:17:54 PM
I planted a 3g Lemon Zest last year and decided I did not want it to bloom but instead put out vegetative growth. Online research showed that GA3 could possibly stop the tree from pushing new growth. I mixed up some GA3 without measuring and sprayed the tree twice. I subsequently lost all the leaves and the tree died within a few months. I am not sure if the GA3 was the cause but it seems to be. I don't want to risk killing more mango trees for an experiment. So heed Oscar's advice and don't go spraying GA3 with reckless abandon...

Good advice! I am staying away from it hehe :P. Will get the fish hydrastat though!
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Patrick on February 07, 2012, 07:44:07 PM
I base my mixture off Bill Whitmans 50 years of research.  I know it sounds dangerous using chemical fertilizers, but elementally the plant uses the same base elements found in either source.  Also, I used a product called Organocide once and it killed half my vegetable garden.. I have had nothing but awesome results using my current mix, and my girlfriend still has a skin condition using her organic clay facewash... On the bright side, she thinks it helps so I guess thats what matters!
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Patrick on February 07, 2012, 07:45:17 PM
Oh wait, maybe she has a skin condition from all the chemicals in our yard!! YIKES!!
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 07, 2012, 09:09:31 PM
I base my mixture off Bill Whitmans 50 years of research.  I know it sounds dangerous using chemical fertilizers, but elementally the plant uses the same base elements found in either source.  Also, I used a product called Organocide once and it killed half my vegetable garden.. I have had nothing but awesome results using my current mix, and my girlfriend still has a skin condition using her organic clay facewash... On the bright side, she thinks it helps so I guess thats what matters!

Whitman wasn't big on organic, that's his deal...whatever...I agree totally...sometimes you just can't go organic...but when you can it makes sense....

Also, fertilizer like espoma (especially when growing in pots), has organic matter that builds soil, which is constantly eroding and washing out of pot...also....it has live biology that's just not found in the synthetic products you are using. 

This statement really holds true in terms of Turfpro (live biology), vs. Southern Ag and other synthetic micro nutritional sprays...

I understand poison ivy is organic...and it can kill you...so please don't preach to the choir...I'm just a big advocate of natural, organic, easy, and non synthetic ways of maintaining the plants and growing the fruits we consume.

Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Patrick on February 07, 2012, 09:15:21 PM
Funny thing is some people dont do a thing to their trees and they grow and produce perfectly..
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: mangomandan on February 07, 2012, 09:50:05 PM
Adam, the TurfPro website talks about encouraging the growth of bacteria on the leaves, as a way of building the plant's resistance to pathogenic influences.  What are your thoughts or experience on that?
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 07, 2012, 10:28:07 PM
Funny thing is some people dont do a thing to their trees and they grow and produce perfectly..

Yes,

I love it when things work out this way!!!

Seems like white sapote, jaboticaba, passion fruit, starfruit, pitanga, citrus, cherry of rio grande, barbados cherry, fig, pawpaw, sugar apple, canistel, and more....do really well, with no help at all, here in Central FL...

BUT certain times, there is no other way that I know of to help out fickle plants!!!  They need micronutrients! and I love organic, and living biological beneficial ingredients!  They help fill in the gaps, when you have a plant devoid of what it may need, so far away from home!

Certain plants....like garcinia sp., jaboticaba sp, eugenias, and many others just need the help!!! or they stay chlorotic, and don't grow as vigorously as those that are given micro nutrient...so why not do organic?..

I always reason...if my pets eat it, its fine, and I can shower in that stuff...I just will look like I swam through a septic tank....but I will live longer than if I shower in your products!

LOL ;)
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 08, 2012, 12:27:56 AM
Adam, the TurfPro website talks about encouraging the growth of bacteria on the leaves, as a way of building the plant's resistance to pathogenic influences.  What are your thoughts or experience on that?

I have no idea!!  I will have to ask the main guy I know at turfpro, Jim Loepp...he knows the ins and the outs and the outs and the ins...

I will find out, cuz now you got me curious!!! bacteria on leaves?? what the heck is this stuff doing to my dogs I've been spraying???  LOL...not really, but I spray myself by accident all day long, getting on my arms and face !! and I dont even care!!

maybe that's why I had to get all of those "french moles" cut off surgically last year! ;)

just kidding...sorry...lol
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: mangomandan on February 21, 2012, 02:25:21 PM

I buy the PhytoFos online from a distrubutor in Palm Beach... I cant locate the info.. I use the one that is all Potassium, no Phosphorus. 1Tbs Gallon


Patrick, sorry to belabor this, but I'm still confused about the PhytoFos.  In an older post, at an undisclosed location, you mentioned Exel LG Foliar Fertilizer , a phytofos that has bacteria.   Is this different from PhytoFos K, which I presume is just potassium ???   If these are two products, do you recommend one more than the other?
  If you weren't getting such nice results, I wouldn't ask  ::)
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Patrick on February 21, 2012, 02:55:06 PM
This is the distributor and product I use.. It's make up is 0-0-50.

http://www.thelandscaperstore.com/page/plantfoods/18876/ (http://www.thelandscaperstore.com/page/plantfoods/18876/)
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: mangomandan on February 21, 2012, 04:59:14 PM
Thanks !
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: zands on February 21, 2012, 05:31:08 PM
This is the distributor and product I use.. It's make up is 0-0-50.

http://www.thelandscaperstore.com/page/plantfoods/18876/ (http://www.thelandscaperstore.com/page/plantfoods/18876/)

Check this out PJB and others---
Check out the PhytoPhos label http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.agrovergel.com/pdfs/phytophos.pdf&ei=kRpET7KaFoW30AH9v4S_Bw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDgQ7gEwAw&prev=/search%3Fq%3DPhytoPhos%2B%2Bpdf%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dimvns (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.agrovergel.com/pdfs/phytophos.pdf&ei=kRpET7KaFoW30AH9v4S_Bw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDgQ7gEwAw&prev=/search%3Fq%3DPhytoPhos%2B%2Bpdf%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dimvns)
PhytoPhos seems to be Monopotassium phosphate and sold as MKP to hyrdroponics marijuana growers. You can get MKP real cheap on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/Mono-potassium-phosphate-MKP-0-52-34-Soluble-KH2PO4-86-/170533080502#ht_1789wt_1163 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Mono-potassium-phosphate-MKP-0-52-34-Soluble-KH2PO4-86-/170533080502#ht_1789wt_1163)

Monopotassium phosphate (also potassium dihydrogen phosphate, KDP, or monobasic potassium phosphate, MKP) -- KH2PO4 -- is a soluble salt which is used as a fertilizer, a food additive and a fungicide. It is a source of phosphorus and potassium. It is also a buffering agent. When used in fertilizer mixtures with urea and ammonium phosphates, it minimizes escape of ammonia by keeping the pH at a relatively low level.

Fertilizer grade MKP contains the equivalent of 52% P2O5 and 34% K2O, and is labeled 0-52-34. MKP is often used as a nutrient source in the greenhouse trade and in hydroponics.

It is one of the components of Gatorade (used as both an emulsifier and pH buffer) and is used as an additive in cigarettes[citation needed].

At 400 °C it decomposes, by loss of water, to potassium metaphosphate (KPO3)
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: murahilin on February 21, 2012, 06:22:19 PM
This is the distributor and product I use.. It's make up is 0-0-50.

http://www.thelandscaperstore.com/page/plantfoods/18876/ (http://www.thelandscaperstore.com/page/plantfoods/18876/)

I thought you used Phytophos K which is 0-0-18?
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Patrick on February 21, 2012, 07:32:13 PM
This is the distributor and product I use.. It's make up is 0-0-50.

http://www.thelandscaperstore.com/page/plantfoods/18876/ (http://www.thelandscaperstore.com/page/plantfoods/18876/)

I thought you used Phytophos K which is 0-0-18?

I stand corrected... I do use the 0-0-18 mix... The granular Potash is 0-0-50 that I use for the soil apps..
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: puglvr1 on February 22, 2012, 08:44:58 AM
Hi Patrick, can you tell me how much granular 0-0-50 you apply on your trees? I found this intructions on one of the Ebay sellers but its a little unclear to me how much to apply to my 4-5 year old mango trees appx. 5-6ft tall. Thanks!!

From one of the Ebay vendor intructions...
"Per Plant:
For small plants sprinkle ½-1 teaspoonful of Sulfate of Potash around base of plant making sure not to expose Potash to plant foliage."
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Patrick on February 22, 2012, 09:14:50 AM
I use a heaping handful per inch of trunk, spread evenly in a ring from inside to outside the drip line..
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: puglvr1 on February 22, 2012, 11:30:13 AM
Thanks Patrick!!

Nancy
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: mangomandan on February 22, 2012, 11:30:56 AM
This is the distributor and product I use.. It's make up is 0-0-50.

http://www.thelandscaperstore.com/page/plantfoods/18876/ (http://www.thelandscaperstore.com/page/plantfoods/18876/)

I placed an order this distributor last night. This morning at 10:30 my order was already at UPS.  Impressive service!
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Guanabanus on March 04, 2012, 01:11:40 PM
Note that the active ingredient of this PhytoFos seems to be the same as that of "Organocide Plant Doctor" (not Organocide 3-in1):  "mono- an di-potassium salts of phosporous acid."
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: BestDay on May 19, 2013, 01:31:08 PM
It's been over a year.  Is everyone happy with their new foliar feeding products?  I want to start a foliar feeding program and was interested in what people thought after a year.

Bill
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 20, 2013, 08:59:12 AM
I like Spray N Grow products.

Then you like sodium.  Check out the analysis. 
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 20, 2013, 09:04:45 AM
It's been over a year.  Is everyone happy with their new foliar feeding products?  I want to start a foliar feeding program and was interested in what people thought after a year.

Bill

Hard to beat Dyna-Gro products.  They are complete and have up to 16 essential elements.  !/2 tsp./gal. with a Spreader-Sticker aka surfactant.  Highly recommend DG's Foliage Pro - 9-3-6 or the standard 3-1-2 ratio for tropicals.  N nitrate to ammonical ratio is spot on.  http://www.dyna-gro.com/936.htm (http://www.dyna-gro.com/936.htm)
 

Mark
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: TnTrobbie on May 20, 2013, 09:19:52 AM
I like Southern AG citrus foilair spray. I try to do it the 1st of every month in the evenings. Sometimes the results are instantaeous greening of the leaves. Cheap, easily accessable (HD has em on sale frequently) and healthy trees going on almost 2 years. Nitrogen from the mulch.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: BestDay on May 29, 2013, 10:26:18 AM
Yes the southern AG foliar citrus does sound good and I can buy it from Home Depot.  I need to look into the Dyna Gro products. Do either of these have iron?  Would they be considered a complete foliar spray?  I'm looking for something simple and reasonably priced.

For the people that weren't using foliar sprays and then started what kind of difference did you see?

Bill
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 29, 2013, 02:36:21 PM
I need to look into the Dyna Gro products. Do either of these have iron?  Would they be considered a complete foliar spray?  I'm looking for something simple and reasonably priced.

Bill, I just gave you a direct link to the product.

I raise wine grapes and did my Foliage Pro foliar spray about a month ago.  I now have a jungle.  Seriously, it is incredible what positive results I've recently had.

Mark
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: BestDay on June 01, 2013, 06:34:01 PM
Mark, thanks for sharing your experience using this product.  I did see the direct link you gave.  I guess I should have better stated my question.  The Dyna-Gro looks to be a near complete foliar spray but looks to be a little light on the iron.  Several of my trees have very yellow leaves that I suspect is an Iron deficiency.  Would it be safe to mix the Dyna-Gro with Southern AG Citrus nutritional spray or the Southern Ag Chelated General Purpose Minor Element Nutritional Spray?  If so which one?

Bill
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Mark in Texas on June 01, 2013, 10:39:40 PM
It would be safe to use the Dyna Gro Foliage Pro without the other stuff. Every time I used the Ag Citrus I got leaf burn and some weird leaf chlorosis which I assume was caused by an imbalance in one element over the other.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Mark in Texas on June 03, 2013, 08:06:13 AM
Mark, thanks for sharing your experience using this product.  I did see the direct link you gave.  I guess I should have better stated my question.  The Dyna-Gro looks to be a near complete foliar spray but looks to be a little light on the iron.  Several of my trees have very yellow leaves that I suspect is an Iron deficiency.  Would it be safe to mix the Dyna-Gro with Southern AG Citrus nutritional spray or the Southern Ag Chelated General Purpose Minor Element Nutritional Spray?  If so which one?

Bill

Forgot to mention Jack's Classic Citrus FeED which has triple chelated iron. 20-10-20.  You'll get greening action with it.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: BestDay on June 03, 2013, 12:22:57 PM
Thanks for the info Mark.  I ordered the Foliage Pro and some Southern AG Citrus Nutritional Spray.  I will try just the Foliage Pro first and see if the trees green up.  If not I will use a half dose of the Citrus Nutritional Spray.  I also order the Southern AG Spreader Sticker, Southern AG liquid copper and Plant Doctor Organocide.  I'm going to try small dosages of the Organocide year round and see if seems to help.  I'll only use the copper if I have to, to protect blooms.

Bill
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: phantomcrab on June 03, 2013, 01:37:09 PM
I have begun using the Foliage Pro on my citrus trees to mitigate the effects of citrus greening. Here is a communication from Dr. Robert Rouse of UF. He actually recommended the Southern Ag mix for this but it is lacking NPK. Patrick's mix would probably work as well. The trial has been underway for 7 years and the HBL infected experimental plot is producing fruit normally.
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Dr. Rouse:
I attended your presentation about citrus greening at the Sarasota Fruit and Nut Society in July 2012.
I wrote down the foliar spray compositions that were being used at a trial at Immokalee but there is no mention of how often the spraying was done, what were optimal spray (weather) conditions or at what time of year spray was effective.
Is there a web page that specifies these parameters? Should regular ground fertilization be continued at normal rates?
Thanks-
Rouse,Robert E
   
May 28 (6 days ago)
      
to me

Richard, the most important and essential ingredients in the mix are the macro and micronutrients.  They should be sprayed on the foliage 3 to 4 times per year.  The timing would be when the tree is producing new flush shoots.  New flush comes in the spring when new growth begins, again when the summer rains begin and in the fall about late August to early September.  The summer rains keep the tree flushing with new growth all summer making it an opportunity to make 2 applications about 4 to 6 weeks apart.  The regular ground applications of fertilizer should be continued.  There is not currently a website where this information is given.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: dongeorgio on December 21, 2013, 10:42:59 PM
I use a 3/4 strength mix of SoAg's Citrus Nutritional, PhytoFos, Millers 20-20-20 (with minors), Elemental Cu, Sequestrine 138Fe, and Class Act spreader/sticker.

I apply 15 gallons of it broadcast with a backpack sprayer over everything on the 15th of every month, when I get to each tree the branches stretch toward me like arms from a bad sci-fi movie...

I guess they like it!

I have noticed while using this mix over the past year and a half, I have almost completely eliminated the need for pest control...

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Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 12, 2014, 03:00:07 PM
May have found my Love Potion 99 - Keyplex 350 DP, Dyna-Gro Pro-Tek and whatever NPK soluble food I fancy at the time to increase uptake and nutritional value.  Last couple of times its been a 35-5-10 with iron. 
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 12, 2014, 03:04:08 PM
I use a heaping handful per inch of trunk, spread evenly in a ring from inside to outside the drip line..

Just a personal observation on other trees, not mangos.  The feeder roots are far beyond the drip line on a mature tree.  I have found large roots including feeder roots as far as 60' from the drip line of an oak tree for example.   I think putting plant food anywhere near and inside the drip line of a mature tree is a waste.   I know this first hand by snagging a tractor pulled subsoiler (3 pot. chisel) on roots located 50' or so from older trees.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: zands on May 12, 2014, 04:17:36 PM
I use a heaping handful per inch of trunk, spread evenly in a ring from inside to outside the drip line..

Just a personal observation on other trees, not mangos.  The feeder roots are far beyond the drip line on a mature tree.  I have found large roots including feeder roots as far as 60' from the drip line of an oak tree for example.   I think putting plant food anywhere near and inside the drip line of a mature tree is a waste.   I know this first hand by snagging a tractor pulled subsoiler (3 pot. chisel) on roots located 50' or so from older trees.

In the last two years I have dug up and replaced a few fruit trees. I always check out the feeder roots. They obviously do not radiate out equally in all directions. If you really want to fertilize feeder roots then some digging and marking would be a good idea. This takes time but I am going to do it on a tree or two. Then throw fertilizer exactly where feeder roots are

Meanwhile I have a three foot diameter thick mulch around mangoes and others (not avocado)  I apply fertilizer onto the mulch not to the dripline for feeder roots like everyone says to do. I use my hands to quickly bury the fertilizer a few inches under the mulch where it is wet and will dissolve to go into action

This seems to encourage roots growth going downward like tap roots to chase the fertilizer as it gets washed downward. So they are feeding there below the trunk and not just the feeder roots we always hear about
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 12, 2014, 10:19:35 PM
Good plan Zands.  I get 2 cu. yds of compost from our landfill for $10.  May not sound like much until after you've finished shoveling it!
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: MangoFang on May 12, 2014, 11:44:13 PM
So Mark....how often do you spray your Love Potion #99?


Gary
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Tropheus76 on May 13, 2014, 07:54:49 AM
On a weekly rotating basis I spray 8 gallons of Liquid Seaweed, then Liquid Fish, then Liquid Neem and the Dyna-pro soap. Note the Liquid fish is not emulsion but actual liquefied fish. I usually wait until late evening. I just started this process this year and thus far am very impressed with the results. My apple trees are looking great and actually have a few this year(they are still only a few years old and the newest ones haven't sinc'd up on blooming cycles. 

Neem does not stop leaf miners in citrus though, but I am seeing much less damage from grasshoppers, caterpillars, and other munchie bugs.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 13, 2014, 07:56:51 AM
So Mark....how often do you spray your Love Potion #99?

Gary

Whenever I feel a hot flash coming on.  ;D

I read my plants and when they need something I try to give it to them.  We FINALLY got rain last night (exceptional drought status) and when I can get back into the field I'm spraying whatever I can get to with a foliar spray.  Will probably do a more balanced spray of a 23-2-27 with ProTek, Keyplex 350DP and a surfactant.  And I hit everything I can with the same thing - tropicals, grapevines, pecans, veggies, peaches, roses, etc.  I pull a 40 gal., tank with a mounted 5 horse gas powered pump and with one hand on the steering wheel and the other on a handgun with a cone T-jet tip, get after it.

Good luck
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: MangoFang on May 13, 2014, 03:06:40 PM
Yeah, thanks.....so spray EVERYTHING, ya?

Actually made the rounds last night with my hand held 2 gallon sprayer -
ProTekt and kelp and something else...oh, and the surfactant....crossing
fingers it WILL help proTecT the mangoes with our coming heat wave -
next five days 100+.....

Gary
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 13, 2014, 06:52:46 PM
Yeah, thanks.....so spray EVERYTHING, ya?

Works for me.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: JeffDM on May 13, 2014, 07:07:39 PM
Thanks for the tip.
I just got some Dyna-Gro, Foliage-Pro, 9-3-6 at the Walter Anderson nursery in Poway, Ca.
The guy at the check stand was impressed with the Dyna-Gro and we started talking about growing mangoes and other stuff.
I told him about this forum and all the great info he could get here.
I'll use the Dyna-Gro tomorrow if the winds don't shift and send the fire this way.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 13, 2014, 09:52:40 PM
Thanks for the tip.
I just got some Dyna-Gro, Foliage-Pro, 9-3-6 at the Walter Anderson nursery in Poway, Ca.
The guy at the check stand was impressed with the Dyna-Gro and we started talking about growing mangoes and other stuff.
I told him about this forum and all the great info he could get here.
I'll use the Dyna-Gro tomorrow if the winds don't shift and send the fire this way.

Saw it on the news tonight.  I sure hope those winds shift and you guys get some rain!  May have an El Nino working which will bring relief later this year if it evolves.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: JeffDM on May 13, 2014, 10:42:08 PM
Thanks for the tip.
I just got some Dyna-Gro, Foliage-Pro, 9-3-6 at the Walter Anderson nursery in Poway, Ca.
The guy at the check stand was impressed with the Dyna-Gro and we started talking about growing mangoes and other stuff.
I told him about this forum and all the great info he could get here.
I'll use the Dyna-Gro tomorrow if the winds don't shift and send the fire this way.

Saw it on the news tonight.  I sure hope those winds shift and you guys get some rain!  May have an El Nino working which will bring relief later this year if it evolves.

I hope the luck holds.
No homes lost and no real injuries that I'm aware of.
Plenty of water nearby for the helicopter air drops and the smoke and ash are blowing away from my place.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 14, 2014, 07:19:17 AM
That's pretty good news.  Saw a special on Austin news last night that predicts we may have one of those droughts that last a century, where rainfall is half or less of normal. 

Just a thought.  I never go over 1/2 tsp/gal. of Dyna-Gro or any other soluble fertilizer and when you combine that with other goodies consider the total salts you're putting on those leaves.  Having had numerous phyto-toxicity issues I've learned to do a test branch or two and then wait for the results for a few days.  Being that my well water is so hard, I often dilute it with rain water or use rainwater exclusively.

Keep cool
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: noochka1 on July 04, 2014, 11:02:07 AM
Is anyone using SEA-90?  I just started foliar feeding my kids this week with my little 1 gallon hand sprayer.  I'm trying it on lychee, mango, passionfruit, a couple guava varieties, and figs.  I'm a total newbie to all of this, so any advice will be greatly appreciated.  Oh, and I am using a wetting solution (Humboldt Sticky) - I'm told that's what I should be doing so, hopefully, I'm not damaging my little farm :-)   I'm also going it a whirl on some bromeliads and ornamentals.  What the heck...
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Tropicdude on July 09, 2014, 01:50:53 PM
I find it amazing how something as simple as foliar spraying can have such a dramatic effect on fruit quality and production.

In the following study/experiments mango trees were sprayed  with different amounts and combinations of Algae extract and yeast.

take a look at the results, specially in fruit size, production, T.S.S. ( Brix ) etc.

http://scihub.org/ABJNA/PDF/2010/3/1-3-421-429.pdf (http://scihub.org/ABJNA/PDF/2010/3/1-3-421-429.pdf)

In this second study,  they used yeast and kelp,  not sure why they did not do a run with both kelp and yeast. but again individually they made improvements, its safe to assume that a combination would have even better results.

http://www.sciencepub.net/stem/stem0403/001_20001stem0403_1_13.pdf (http://www.sciencepub.net/stem/stem0403/001_20001stem0403_1_13.pdf)

They were looking for ways to reducing nitrogen fertilizer use in second study.  but we can see improvements in productivity, Brix, fruit size.

another interesting observation, both trials showed that foliar spraying with these nutrients, decreases the size of the seed, i mean not just the ratio of pulp to seed, but the seed actually is smaller.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: jabotica on July 09, 2014, 04:45:45 PM
Hi all--I would like to know if anyone has heard of "Ocean Solution"? If so is anyone using it?At our Okeechobee garden
club we were given free samples,also I saw it sold at the Palm beach rare fruit plant sale.
                                                                  I had two pots of finger -sops-annona famale - that looked very pale. I sprayed the leaves one one plant for a few weeks
 and the new leaves looked perfect,so I did the other plant and it did good also
      The product says it is from sea water and it has 90 elements       WWW.oceansolution.com (http://WWW.oceansolution.com)  - Look it up
 
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Guanabanus on July 10, 2014, 08:32:58 AM
Thank you, Tropic Dude, for the excellent link about Algae and yeast!
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Mark in Texas on July 10, 2014, 08:44:51 AM
Very interesting article.  Wish they had included the product names.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: cos on July 10, 2014, 01:53:29 PM
Has any one here used yeast extract?  If so where do you get it & what brand name do you use?
thanks
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Tropicdude on July 11, 2014, 12:55:00 AM
Has any one here used yeast extract?  If so where do you get it & what brand name do you use?
thanks

I am thinking this is something you need to make yourself. I have been trying to find good instructions, on how to brew up a batch , and how to dilute it and application rates etc. but have had no success.

there is plenty of info on making your own EM ( Effective microorganisms ) and Bokashi , also worm tea, and even making seaweed sprays, there are lots of seaweed products on the market. fresh water Algae I did find a source from Spain. 

yeast supplies amino acids,  and the seaweed, supplies minerals and hormones, so I can see how this can be an effective one-two punch.  if I find something on the yeast, I will post here if somebody hasn't already.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: cos on July 11, 2014, 03:47:24 AM
On the yeast ,it is important to use yeast EXTRACT. It comes in many forms [ie types of yeast] & is used in tissue culture.  But this still does not say which to use as a foliar  spray??
Seems that yeast extract would be helpful; dont know why no variety of brand is cited.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Guanabanus on July 11, 2014, 09:40:15 PM
Note that the yeast analysis also shows good amounts of elemental nutrients, such as Copper and Nickel, plus trace elements that may be useful, such as Vanadium and Selenium.   One lecturer, of unknown repute, claimed that deficiency of Selenium increases fruit drop.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Mark in Texas on July 12, 2014, 07:36:52 AM
Note that the yeast analysis also shows good amounts of elemental nutrients, such as Copper and Nickel, plus trace elements that may be useful, such as Vanadium and Selenium.   One lecturer, of unknown repute, claimed that deficiency of Selenium increases fruit drop.

I'm a skeptic on all this stuff but not closed minded.  Need to know the science behind it.  The concept one should learn is "Essential versus Beneficial" elements.  Silicon is thought to be beneficial and can be applied using Dyna Gro's Protekt, a 0-0-2 supplement.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Tropicdude on July 12, 2014, 02:27:11 PM
Note that the yeast analysis also shows good amounts of elemental nutrients, such as Copper and Nickel, plus trace elements that may be useful, such as Vanadium and Selenium.   One lecturer, of unknown repute, claimed that deficiency of Selenium increases fruit drop.

I'm a skeptic on all this stuff but not closed minded.  Need to know the science behind it.  The concept one should learn is "Essential versus Beneficial" elements.  Silicon is thought to be beneficial and can be applied using Dyna Gro's Protekt, a 0-0-2 supplement.

I only posted studies on mangoes,  but if you do a search on yeast/seaweed foliar sprays you will find tons of studies and trials done,   anything from peppers, and potatoes, to fruit trees, and in every single one I have come across there has been benefit, and in most cases very significant.

I can understand why,  seaweed for example has many minerals, and some hormones, foliar spraying makes these minerals available to the leaves, the leaves are what make the carbohydrates for the plant.   the hormones in seaweed, stimulate growth.

as for the yeast,  which is probably even more surprising, as in every study I came across yeast seemed to have bigger benefit.  yeast has amino acids, proteins that help the leaves do their job.

Seaweed and yeast work differently and using both has an added benefit.

another benefit of yeast, is that it seems to help with fungal problems also.

As for the type of yeast used,  I have seen reports that brewers yeast was used and in others regular old bread yeast.

I have a feeling that using EM works the same way as yeast, because of the proteins, after all they are living organisms that will die on the leaves, and break down and be absorbed.

There are some good "how-to" videos on youtube on making your own EM, and lactobacillus,  I am planning on making a batch,  I have a septic tank that could use a boost also,   you can use this on your plants, in the soil, and as a compost booster, its super cheap to make and goes a long way.

Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Mark in Texas on July 12, 2014, 06:10:57 PM
Having a vineyard I make wine and plan on a batch in a month or so.  I get tons of yeast.  Just need to figure out how to screen the coarse crud out so I don't clog my spray filters prematurely.

Speaking of sprayers, I've got them from the little guys up to the PTO driven commercial air blaster with 16 nozzles and am very satisfied with a backpack I bought at Lowe's after going thru a couple.  Contractor grade, lifetime warranty, super comfortable and effective.
http://www.lowes.com/pd_21086-1306-190359_0__?productId=4514296 (http://www.lowes.com/pd_21086-1306-190359_0__?productId=4514296)

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: cos on July 12, 2014, 09:21:53 PM
Hey thanks Tropicdude, appreciate the good leads.
cos
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: simon_grow on March 17, 2015, 08:34:45 AM
Does anyone have any yeast or yeast extract formulations that you have tried? Did you see any improvements in your plant health or growth rate? Thanks
Simon
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: bangkok on March 17, 2015, 11:13:05 AM
Does anyone have any yeast or yeast extract formulations that you have tried? Did you see any improvements in your plant health or growth rate? Thanks
Simon

I used EM but don't know if it works since all grows very fast here anyway and i used more products as well.

EM is widely used in Thailand and for sale everywhere. Also it has loads of purposes.

After the big floodings that we had we all sprayed it all over the house/interior/garden/tree's everything. It stops bad smells as well and we have open drains here and septic tanks. ;D

We mixed EM with sugarcane molasses/water and let it brew for some days, then spray it or pour on the soil.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Patrick on March 17, 2015, 12:24:03 PM
I use a 3/4 strength mix of SoAg's Citrus Nutritional, PhytoFos, Millers 20-20-20 (with minors), Elemental Cu, Sequestrine 138Fe, and Class Act spreader/sticker.

I apply 15 gallons of it broadcast with a backpack sprayer over everything on the 15th of every month, when I get to each tree the branches stretch toward me like arms from a bad sci-fi movie...

I guess they like it!

I have noticed while using this mix over the past year and a half, I have almost completely eliminated the need for pest control...




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Heres an update on the two trees in the original post (three years later).. The NDM4 has been topworked to several other varieties.  I still am using my originally mentioned mix without the Sequestrene, I drench that instead.




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Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: zands on March 17, 2015, 05:57:59 PM
@pj1881 (Patrick)   
Your trees are looking good as always.  Do you use the same foliars on avocado? Does it stop browning and dropping of avocado leaves? All my avocado trees have done it this spring. Then they grow back new leaves

   What is the elemental copper you use?
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Patrick on March 17, 2015, 06:48:49 PM
I do spray my avocado trees with it but it doesn't stop annual molting.  My avocado trees go through the "ugly" stage a couple times a year too! I rotate CuPro and SoAg's liquid copper fungicide.
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: zands on March 17, 2015, 08:26:31 PM
I do spray my avocado trees with it but it doesn't stop annual molting.  My avocado trees go through the "ugly" stage a couple times a year too! I rotate CuPro and SoAg's liquid copper fungicide.

Thanks much. Its dismaying seeing avocado leaves drop then regrow
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Samu on March 18, 2015, 12:14:22 AM
It would be safe to use the Dyna Gro Foliage Pro without the other stuff. Every time I used the Ag Citrus I got leaf burn and some weird leaf chlorosis which I assume was caused by an imbalance in one element over the other.

Hi Mark, do you use Dyna Gro Foliage as foliage spray only or in combination with drenching as well? If combined, could you please specify of when do use it as spray or as drench feedings? Thanks!
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Mark in Texas on March 18, 2015, 07:49:32 AM
Hi Mark, do you use Dyna Gro Foliage as foliage spray only or in combination with drenching as well? If combined, could you please specify of when do use it as spray or as drench feedings? Thanks!

Whether it's a backpack sprayer or the tractor mounted big gun I apply Foliage Pro at a rate of no more than 1 tsp/gallon, usually half that rate.  I also add a surfactant like NIS.  Without it the treatment is pretty much useless. Being that my well water is super hard I also use rainwater as the carrier.  Very important - always do a test branch or two first to see if your mix is gonna be phytotoxic. Give the treated branch a day or two to see if it burns.

My favorite micros mix is Keyplex 350DP.  That stuff is amazing.  It is acidic in solution though.

As an aside, I'm getting away from all liquids.  Doesn't matter the formulation.  Dyna-Gro products will drop rocks on you, precipitate out.  I've found the shelf life is good for maybe a year. You're better off price wise, convenience wise and overall quality using this excellent 5-1-3 with micros - Peters. http://www.amazon.com/77900-Performance-Fertilizer-25-5-15-25-Pound/dp/B008JSIKCU/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_1 (http://www.amazon.com/77900-Performance-Fertilizer-25-5-15-25-Pound/dp/B008JSIKCU/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_1)   I might apply that as a soil drench too, certainly in pots. DG is too expensive to apply via the soil unless your trees are in pots.  Heck, folks parrot that feeder roots are located at the drip line and that's where you should focus your plant foods.  Not true, they can grow away from the trunk at twice that distance or more.

Mark
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Samu on March 18, 2015, 01:32:21 PM
Well Mark, I thought I already found the ultimate all around liquid fertilizer in DynaGrow families of products,  so after I used up all my supplies, then the search for other alternative feedings for my plants to be resumed... :)
This backyard fruit plants growing is not a simple straight forward task..., it appears...
Title: Re: Foliar Feeding
Post by: Mark in Texas on March 18, 2015, 02:08:46 PM
It's one of those - "....it's been my experience......"   ;)