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Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« on: November 14, 2016, 09:12:20 PM »
If you had to choose which tree to keep & the choices are NDM or Coc...which one would you pick & why?

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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2016, 10:04:19 PM »
No  comparison in my book.  I would axe the NDM in a heartbeat.
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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2016, 10:11:29 PM »
They're both excellent mangoes. Most complaint that the NDM is just sweet, but it actually has a complex flavor is eaten at the right stage. Coc might have an edge in terms of disease resistance.

I grow both mangoes, but if I absolutely had to choose one or the other, Coc might be the one, by a small margin.
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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2016, 07:40:28 AM »
Thanks.  I appreciate all of the input!

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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2016, 08:55:34 AM »
I would go with Coc.

I prefer to eat NDM when it still has a bit of a subacid component.
I find it a lot more pleasant and "fresh" tasting this way.
To me when they are fully ripe NDM develops a musky aroma, which I'm not a big fan of.

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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2016, 12:07:02 PM »

 I have both, but I recently top-worked my Nam Doc Mai and grafted Him Sagar, Juliette  and Venus on it. I planted Coc purely on reputation; the tree is growing nicely but is yet to flower.

 

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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2016, 01:10:55 PM »
Coc has the typical SE Asian spice near the rind, very sweet, with a bit of a musky / earthy flavor. Flesh is smooth, slightly gelatinous. Fruit can be fairly large and can have some internal defects, eg, sprouting seed or stem end cavity. Tree seems to be both productive and disease resistant. This is based on last year's crop from my tree.
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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2016, 03:14:18 PM »
Is "Coc" short for "Coconut" or is it a different mango cultivar?
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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2016, 03:30:35 PM »
Cac was the most popular and most requested mango we sold in 2016. It's a tier above NDM without question.

However, there's a couple of drawbacks. Chief among them its extremely vigorous growth habit. Also has a strong tendency to flush growth in winter, suggesting it requires a stronger-than-average bloom stimulus to achieve a full bloom. Not particularly precocious and More likely to send out mixed panickel than others.

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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2016, 03:33:56 PM »
Is "Coc" short for "Coconut" or is it a different mango cultivar?

Different cultivar from Vietnam

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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2016, 03:35:33 PM »

 I have both, but I recently top-worked my Nam Doc Mai and grafted Him Sagar, Juliette  and Venus on it. I planted Coc purely on reputation; the tree is growing nicely but is yet to flower.

Have you tasted Himsagar?  Not a whole lot different in quality vs NDM in my opinion.
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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2016, 10:52:24 PM »

 I have both, but I recently top-worked my Nam Doc Mai and grafted Him Sagar, Juliette  and Venus on it. I planted Coc purely on reputation; the tree is growing nicely but is yet to flower.

Have you tasted Himsagar?  Not a whole lot different in quality vs NDM in my opinion.

Yes, I have. I liked it much more than NDM. It is mid to late season and seems to be very productive as well.




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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2016, 05:11:56 PM »
Cac was the most popular and most requested mango we sold in 2016. It's a tier above NDM without question.

However, there's a couple of drawbacks. Chief among them its extremely vigorous growth habit. Also has a strong tendency to flush growth in winter, suggesting it requires a stronger-than-average bloom stimulus to achieve a full bloom. Not particularly precocious and More likely to send out mixed panickel than others.

Wow!  Most requested...I would have never guessed that.  I would have guessed it would be a new Zill variety or a classic Florida mango .

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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2016, 12:37:28 PM »
Cac was the most popular and most requested mango we sold in 2016. It's a tier above NDM without question.

However, there's a couple of drawbacks. Chief among them its extremely vigorous growth habit. Also has a strong tendency to flush growth in winter, suggesting it requires a stronger-than-average bloom stimulus to achieve a full bloom. Not particularly precocious and More likely to send out mixed panickel than others.

Wow!  Most requested...I would have never guessed that.  I would have guessed it would be a new Zill variety or a classic Florida mango .

Most classic Florida mangos don't receive that many requests anymore. Mostly older Floridians asking for Hadens or Kents. Valencia Pride still has a cult following. Definitely a lot more requests for new Zill stuff, Carrie or Jamaican mangos since Indians and Jamaicans comprise such a huge chunk of the mango buying public in south Florida.

But oddly Cac got the most requests. I chalk it up to burgeoning local popularity + getting some attention from Fairchild a couple years in a row. I did a tasting for Jonathan Crane's Tropical Fruit production  Class from TREC and Cac beat out Lemon Zest, Sweet Tart, Angie and another I'm forgetting. Cac's quality was really excellent this year.
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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2016, 08:09:02 AM »
Does anyone have pics of what it (Coc) should look like when ready?  I searched with no luck.

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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2016, 12:55:07 PM »
Here's a picture

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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2016, 02:06:04 PM »
Here's a picture

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here is one cut open
Coc is infinitely superior



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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2016, 11:07:05 PM »
The Coc mangoes I have seen and eaten here in Florida do not have a deep orange flesh color.  The color from what I have seen here is a definite yellow.
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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2016, 12:33:32 PM »
The Coc mangoes I have seen and eaten here in Florida do not have a deep orange flesh color.  The color from what I have seen here is a definite yellow.
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Probably over ripe and the flash. I had a few fruits from my tree and I've had them from Florida for the last three years

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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2017, 10:00:03 PM »
Is "coc" same as "cac" thanks

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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2017, 10:11:36 PM »
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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2017, 11:19:08 PM »
I tasted a coc last year and it was fantastic.......even more so because it has not been mentioned as a top tiered mango

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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2017, 11:45:54 PM »
I tasted a coc last year and it was fantastic.......even more so because it has not been mentioned as a top tiered mango

I think all the new Zill varieties have blinsed some to varieties suchs as Coc/Cac.  Dont get me wrong, many of the  ew Zill varieties are fantastic and extreme top tier but certain varieties suchs as Coc should be included in the top tier.  Another that opened my eyes was Son Pari, which for some reason is poorly k own in South Florida  (maybe due ro something such a production issue I am unaware of, who knows?).
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Re: Coc vs Nam Doc Mai
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2017, 06:34:04 PM »
I tasted a coc last year and it was fantastic.......even more so because it has not been mentioned as a top tiered mango

I think all the new Zill varieties have blinsed some to varieties suchs as Coc/Cac.  Dont get me wrong, many of the  ew Zill varieties are fantastic and extreme top tier but certain varieties suchs as Coc should be included in the top tier.  Another that opened my eyes was Son Pari, which for some reason is poorly k own in South Florida  (maybe due ro something such a production issue I am unaware of, who knows?).

Rob, can you give us a little more information about the flavor profile of the Son Pari. The only information I could find on it, was that it had a turpentine like flavor but the taste wasn’t as strong as something like the Bombay. It wasn’t a very positive description of a mango but I’m hoping that you have something better to say. Also, how would you compare it to the Guava mango which is another mango I’ve been thinking about that is supposed to have Indian flavors.

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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2017, 09:57:52 PM »
Son Pari does have a resinous xompo e t but def8not turpentine nor is it like Alphonso or Bombay.  Its distinctly different and to me, whi is not a fan of strong resin or pine, I very much liked it.  The main flavor is very Indian in nature, atronv with a but of the classic tropical fruit musk.  Not as orange like Mallika.

Xomparedung Son Pari to Guava mango, very much different.   The Guava is alao very Indian in nature but no real resin or pine xomponent.  It haa a definite Guava odor and flavor, like a sweet atrong Indian musk mango crossed with the flavor of an actual Guava.
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