Author Topic: Giant citron or citron-lemon hybrid? (Read 2180 times)

All the fruit · « **on:** April 24, 2019, 07:00:44 AM »

Hi,
I bought a citrus from a stall with 12 pound citrus fruit in Amalfi, Italy.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dNWiUur3_dE

The vendor insisted they are citrons (cedro). However, other vendors in the area insisted that the Cedro are the smaller (haha, 1-4 pound) warty, elongated pointy bright or dark yellow fruit while the type of fruit i bought (up to 12 pounds, pale yellow, stocky and usually of irregular shape) are a lemon - citron hybrid.

Who is right? In the area there is an incredible diversity of lemon-like citrus.

Alejandro45 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 24, 2019, 11:25:41 AM »

Those are beauties either way. I miss Sorrento and touring the amalfi coast was incredible. Something about that soil made amazing fruits. Did you tour the orchards? They are beautiful and use sheets of shade cloth like material during the wintertime to stop the ice damage.

All the fruit · « **Reply #2 on:** April 24, 2019, 01:04:02 PM »

Yes, i never saw this type of citrus cultivation anywhere else. Did not have time for an extensive tour of the orchards. And i made a horrible mistake: in my video on the Amalfi lemon

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7GbOZD4-SF8&t=86s

I said its the same as the Sorrento lemon🤥. Now i have to make a video on the Sorrento lemon, too.
So im very eager to get at least my citrons right😉

ammoun · « **Reply #3 on:** April 24, 2019, 02:10:48 PM »

Quote from: Alejandro45 on April 24, 2019, 11:25:41 AM

Those are beauties either way. I miss Sorrento and touring the amalfi coast was incredible. Something about that soil made amazing fruits. Did you tour the orchards? They are beautiful and use sheets of shade cloth like material during the wintertime to stop the ice damage.

Do you where we could get these varieties in the U.S.?

Alejandro45 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 24, 2019, 08:29:59 PM »

Ammoun. I have never seen them available in the USA.

All the fruit I believe in your video what you have is Sfusato lemons. Bumpy with a “nipple”. They are used to make limoncello, which I highly recommend you have after every meal.

That huge on is most likely cedri.

All the fruit · « **Reply #5 on:** April 25, 2019, 01:43:16 PM »

Yes, the lemons are sfusato lemons. But the big stuff gets more mysterious by the day. I got suggestions that its a grapefruit hybrid or a lemon variety. But even in the Botanic garden at Naples they had a tree with similar fruit simply labeled Citrus sp. Even they dont know.

alanmercieca · « **Reply #6 on:** November 20, 2022, 12:14:53 AM »

Quote from: All the fruit on April 24, 2019, 07:00:44 AM

Hi,
I bought a citrus from a stall with 12 pound citrus fruit in Amalfi, Italy.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dNWiUur3_dE

The vendor insisted they are citrons (cedro). However, other vendors in the area insisted that the Cedro are the smaller (haha, 1-4 pound) warty, elongated pointy bright or dark yellow fruit while the type of fruit i bought (up to 12 pounds, pale yellow, stocky and usually of irregular shape) are a lemon - citron hybrid.

Who is right? In the area there is an incredible diversity of lemon-like citrus.

None of the lemons grown in the 'Amalfi Coast' are true lemons as we know them. There a disease started to kill the true lemons as we know them over 500 years ago, and that disease still appears to be in the 'Amalfi Coast'.

The smallest of their giant lemons is the 'Sfusato Amalfitano', as far as I know those lemons can weight up to about 2 pounds in weight. It's a hybrid between a true lemon as we know them, and a citron.

The way that I understand it is that the 'Cedro Profumato d'Amalfi' can weigh up to '3 to 4' pounds each fruit, it appears to be a true citron.

They also grow a 'so called lemon' called "Limone Gigante", which I know nothing about.

The following lemon farmer grows all 3 of the lemons, and his company gives tours of their orchard, if you ever visit the area again you could purchase a tour and ask him about the different lemon/citron they grow.

It does get consing, it seems to me that because of the lemony scent of the citron, and because of lemons having citron in their dna, they call even the citron lemons. The people with the stalls only sells the fruit, they do not know much.

Real citrons usually have very little juice and flesh. I know for a fact that 'Cedro Profumato d'Amalfi' is that way.

Here is info about him and his family's orchard https://www.lacucinaitaliana.com/trip-to-italy/southern-italy/the-lemons-of-the-amalfi-coast

Here is the website for the tours https://www.amalfilemonexperience.it/

pagnr · « **Reply #7 on:** November 20, 2022, 02:49:09 AM »

The foliage of Lemons and Citrons are fairly distinct. Citrons have long oval shaped leaves. Lemons have more pointed tipped leaves.
Hybrids plants could be in-between, but often are hard to tell from Citrons.

alanmercieca · « **Reply #8 on:** November 20, 2022, 06:14:45 AM »

Rispa · « **Reply #9 on:** November 20, 2022, 06:34:33 AM »

Those giant ones are nuts! How does the tree support the stem with them on it?

alanmercieca · « **Reply #10 on:** November 20, 2022, 06:37:36 AM »

alanmercieca · « **Reply #11 on:** November 20, 2022, 06:38:28 AM »

bussone · « **Reply #12 on:** November 20, 2022, 08:56:41 AM »

Quote from: Rispa on November 20, 2022, 06:34:33 AM

Those giant ones are nuts! How does the tree support the stem with them on it?

There are some enormous citrons.
Ninger Giant can reportedly run as high as 30 kg.

alanmercieca · « **Reply #13 on:** November 20, 2022, 09:26:22 AM »

Quote from: Rispa on November 20, 2022, 06:34:33 AM

Those giant ones are nuts! How does the tree support the stem with them on it?

They grow their trees Espalier in the Amalfi coast, that helps prevent branch breaking, while giving each fruit more sun. The very largest fruits take about a year and a half to ripen because of their huge size!

sc4001992 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 20, 2022, 11:39:12 AM »

I have an interesting lemon that is very small, but the fruit will ripen (turn yellow) and hang on the tree ripe for 1 year before it starts to dry up inside.

pagnr · « **Reply #15 on:** November 20, 2022, 02:51:32 PM »

Quote from: sc4001992 on November 20, 2022, 11:39:12 AM

I have an interesting lemon that is very small, but the fruit will ripen (turn yellow) and hang on the tree ripe for 1 year before it starts to dry up inside.

That sounds very interesting. Any more info on that ? Any Pics ?
There are a few dwarf patio Citrus in Australia, a small fruited Key Lime and cutting grown Myer Lemon and a Lemon.
Yours might be nice fruit size for dwarf trees in balcony patio pots.

( Any macrophylla rootstocks on the way for grafting it to ? ps That is an In Joke from Citrus General Discussion on the Forum ).

sc4001992 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 20, 2022, 05:10:16 PM »

sc4001992 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 20, 2022, 05:26:21 PM »

alanmercieca · « **Reply #18 on:** November 20, 2022, 08:18:49 PM »

This appears to be a 'Sfusato Amalfitano' being held right next to a 'Limone Gigante', scroll down a little https://www.positano.com/en/e/flavors-and-aromas-of-the-amalfi-coast

It appears that some people are mistaking 'Limone Gigante' as being 'Ovale di Sorrento', yet those two lemons look too different. Also 'Ovale di Sorrento' is way higher production than 'Limone Gigante' is. Since 'Limone Gigante' and 'Ovale di Sorrento' appear to be thought of as the same by some people, I think that it's safe to say that 'Limone Gigante' is probably another lemon hybrid found in the Amalfi coast

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Author Topic: Giant citron or citron-lemon hybrid? (Read 2180 times)